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. this sunday, trying to undo the obama trying to -- >> that money is going to insurance companies to lift up their stock price. and that's not what i'm about. >> but many see this as an attempt to simply sabotage the affordable care act. >> obamacare is not perfect. but it doesn't mean you take it away and hurt people. >> on iran, the president threatens to end the nuclear deal. >> iran is not living up to the spirit of the deal. >> mr. trump taking aim at president obama's chief domestic
and foreign policy. my guests the u.s. ambassador to the united nations nikki haley and ohio governor john case civ kasich. >> there's a time and season for everything. right now it's a season of war against a gop establishment. >> and more and more women accuse harvey weinstein of harassment and worse. will the growing anger over this kind of behavior change hollywood and beyond? joining me are sim berl st strassel, dan bowles, kasie hunt and heather mcghee. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, celebrating its 70th year, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. it was easy to watch president
trump go after approximafter ob the iran nuclear deal and conclude he was working to undo the obama presidency. it was also possible to conclude that mr. trump was eager to look as if he's doing something. here's the president talking to reporters on friday about the proposed cuts on the poor on subsidies via on obamacare. >> now, if the democrats were smart, what they do is come and negotiate something. what will be nice if the democratic leaders could come over to the house and the democrats should come to me. i would even go to them. >> and here's the president on iran. >> we will see what happens with iran. we're very unhappy with iran. because we'll see what happens over the next short period of time. but we'll see what happens. >> of course complicating matters for mr. trump is the chaos that consistently surrounds his administration. the president engaged in a
twitter battle with senator bob corker, the chairman of the committee responsible for any reworking of the iran deal. he lashed out at secretary of state rex tillerson, actually even questioning his iq perhaps. and when tom price resigned as head of hhs, it left no cabinet secretary to implement the changes the president wants to make to the affordable care act. all this while president trump is promising to make sweeping changes here and overseas. >> it's become a familiar tactic. >> we'll have congress take a look at it. >> congress has already begun the work. >> hopefully congress will come through. >> president trump pledged to follow through on his campaign promise to dismantle president obama's signature domestic and foreign policy achievements. >> we're going to have great health care. >> we're very unhappy with iran. >> then pass the buck to congress controlled by his own party which has been unable to pass significant legislation, challenging lawmakers to either constrain him or to help him achieve the goals in a more r k
realistic way. he ended payments to insurance companies th companies that sup si diesed premiums. the nonpartisan congressional budget office says this move could raise premiums by 20% next year and leave a million more americans without insurance. >> that money is going to insurance companies to prop up insurance companies. that money is going to insurance companies to lift up their stock price. >> the president is already facing pushback from some republicans. >> low income people are going to have a very difficult time. for some it may be impossible affording their deductibles and their co-pays. >> the cost sharing reductions, if they're not paid to the insurance companies, premiums will likely increase so the insurance companies will get their money either way. >> in the blame game of who broke health care, democrats are threatening to make this a campaign issue this year and
next. >> obamacare is not perfect. we should try to improve it. but it doesn't mean you take it away and hurt people. >> meanwhile on iran, after mr. trump was urged by many of his own foreign policy advisers to keep the 2015 nuclear deal in place. >> we do believe it's in our national security interest at the present time to remain in the jcpoa? >> yes, senators i do. >> iran is not in breach of the agreement and i do believe the agreement to date has delayed the development of a nuclear capability by iran. >> the president announced that he is decertifying the nuclear deal but not scrapping it. for now. >> the event we are not able to reach a solution working with congress and our allies, then the agreement will be terminated. >> the president has kind of rolled the grenade in the room. had it go off without having a strategy as to where we're going. >> and joining me now is the
u.s. ambassador to the united nations nikki haley. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you. good morning. >> let me start with the nuclear deal and what the president has proposed. defense secretary mattis said he believed the iran deal was in the national security interest of the united states. chairman of the joint chiefs, general dunford says iran is complying with the deal. are they wrong? reports indicate that you have been advocating what the president did more strongly really than anybody else in the administration. why are they wrong and you're right about this? >> they're not wrong. when you talk about compliance, that is with the international agreement that was supposedly made. what we're talking about is all of the factors that go into u.s. law. u.s. law asks every 90 days for the president to decide is it still proportional for the threat. and when you look at the threats and you look at the fact that they're the number one state sponsor of terrorism, you look
at the ballistic missile tests they condition, you look at the arm sales, you look at all the trouble thaiey're causing, the president is saying it's not proportion at. in reference to what they said, that's in reference to what the iea is doing in the inspections. with that no one is questioning what they've seen so far they are in compliance. >> you said something in a speech a couple months ago. it was a rhetorical question, which is the iran deal. you said congress has to determine whether it's too big to fail. do you believe it's too big to fail? >> you know, it certainly seems like the international community acts like it's too big to feel. when the international community gives iran a pass, for all of these, the arm sales, their support of terrorism and they look the other way all in the name of keeping a deal, then you're looking at something that's too big to fail. that's the problem. what we're trying to say is just because we all made the deal, just because that was done
previously, it doesn't mean you don't go back and look and say is it still working. is it still working, are we doing the right thing. that's what we have to make sure we do is to make sure we're looking at these graagreements s it still in america's interest. >> the ball is in congress's court. what specific -- is the president asking for -- he obviously wants some more leverage in dealing with iran. i get that. what leverage is he looking for? is it leverage to renegotiate this nuclear deal or is it something that allows for a separate deal to be negotiated with iran going forward? >>. >> the goal at the end of the day is to hold iran accountable. get them to stop all of these violations that they're doing. what we're trying to say is look, the agreement was an incentive. the agreement was for you to stop doing certain things. you haven't stopped doing certain things. so what do we do to make iran
more accountable so that they do? i think the president is going to work closely with congress to try and come up with something that is more proportion at, something that does make sense for the u.s. to agree to. i think that congress does need to take a look at it. >> if the united states walks away. congress has not been effective at getting a lot of things through. it's not been an easy process to watch this year i'm sure for the entire trump station. but if nothing gets done and the president does cancel the deal, what message does that send to kim jong-un? what incentive does he have to strike a deal with the world community if the united states walks away from iran? >> it's interesting you say that, because the whole reason we're looking at that iran agreement is because of north korea. when you look at the fact that 25 years of botched agreements and negotiations and accountability not kept by north korea, that's the whole situation that got us to where we're having to watch day by day to see if they do an icbm test
going forward. what we're saying now with iran is don't let it become the next north korea. so what this says to north korea is don't expect us to engage in a bad deal and also if at any point we do come up with something, expect us to follow through with it. speck us to hold you accountable. you're not just going to have a free for all. i think we're sending a very strong message to the international community. we're not going to just give you a lot of money and say go have a good time. we're going to say look, this is a deal. you either comply with it or you don't. >> is it better to keep this deal in place or get rid of it 1234. >> i think right now you're going to see us stay? the deal. what we hope is we can improve the situation. that's the goal. right now we're in the deal to see how we can make it better. that's the goal. it's not that we're getting out of the deal. we're just trying to make the situation better so the american people feel safer. >> right. but what i'm saying is if there's nothing congress can do to make it better, is it better to stay in this deal as it is or get out? >> well, i'm not going to try
and pro teetend that nothing is going to happen. we have to go with the hopes that something does happen. i think on both sides of the aisle they all agree iran is a threat. you have to remember the previous administration never even let congress have anything to do with this. this was an executive agreement. it was never an international agreement that included congress. >> that's not fully fair. the reason we have this certification process is because congress put constraints on the deal to do this. that is -- that actually is bringing congress into the conversation. >> and congress did that because president obama didn't give them the authority to be a part of that decision. so they did it to try and control the situation and not let it get to a bad problem. so i think congress was actually thinking of this in the first place. now we should let them follow through and see what they can do to make it better. >> in the reporting on this was a story earlier this week that called you the president's iran whisperer. in there there was a white house
official that described some escalating tensions between yourself and the secretary of state and using the quote world war iii proportions describing tensions between nouyourself an the secretary of state. what's your reaction to that comment? >> that is just so much drama. it's all this palace intrigue. what i'll tell you is every member of the nsc works very hard to put options on the president for the table and we all work very well together and our goal is to always make sure we're keeping americans safe. i am glad to be living in new york is i don't want to be near the drama and i don't want to be near the gossip. i'm going to continue to do a good job and so is every member of the nsc. >> i'll ask you another question about something senator bob corker says. he believes some secretary tillerson has been doing particularly with china both on the north korea front and the frayed front. us working with beijing is the -- you publicly castrate your secretary of state, you take that off the table.
do you agree with senator corker assessment that the president has essentially undermined his secretary of state when it comes to north korea and china? >> i'm not going to get into the drama of the he said/he said situation. what i will tell you is what i have witnessed is the president and secretary tillerson work very well together. i've been in the room many times. they continue to work strongly together. the secretary put out as many options for the president as he can. he makes a decision. there's a mutual respect and they go forward. everything that i have witnessed, all is fine . if there's a problem, that's a question for secretary tillerson. >> to your understanding, does the president have full confidence in secretary tillerson? >> yes, he does. >> i want to ask you, put your hat on as a former governor of south carolina. the president's decision on health care and these insurance payments. one estimation says that premiums could spike in south carolina 23% due to this
decision. if you were still governor, how will you handle the fallout from this decision by the president? >> well, i think when i was governor, along with so many other governors, what we asked was for congress to act. and we said act in a way that we can get block grants. act in a way we have more control over our money and we have more control over the decisions that need to be made for the citizens we represent. i think what you're seeing now is congress didn't act. and if congress didn't act, the president did what i think a lot of governors would want him to do which is make some decision. do something. try and fix something that was really bad that wasn't working for any of the states. i think he's done that. what you will now see is governors will step forward and look at how best to move from here. i think that will be a conversation that happens between congress and the governors, the president and congress and we'll see where it goes from there. >> is this, though, you know this law well. you had to implement it in ways and i know you didn't necessarily agree with all facets of it and you didn't expand medicaid and things like
that. but does a decision like this, does it make the law work less better? is that a good thing to do at this moment since congress couldn't come up with a replacement? >> well, i think you're asking the wrong person. i did not agree with the health care law. i didn't agree with any aspect of it. so i just assume not have it. so having said that, what we say is governors are best to handle their people themselves with their budgets themselves in the way that's best appropriate. what we've said is the federal government can't fix these things. and so i think that what we saw was action from the president. that's what every governor wanted to see. i think you'll see every governor step up and do what's in the best interest of their people. >> finally back to your ambassador hat on. on cuba, steve of staff john kelly at the podium, he was asked about what's been happening to american diplomats in cuba. he had a very sort of cryptic response on who's behind it. he said we believe that the
cuban government could stop the attacks on our diplomats, but we have never accused the cuban government of being behind it. does that imply we know who's behind it, cuba knows who's behind it and we've got to get on the same page? or we don't know yet? >> basically it says that we're not saying that the cuban government is responsible for these attacks. what we are saying is that they are table to get down to the bottom of it. this is a small enough country they can go and find out exactly what's happening and that's what we're asking them to do. what has happened to those diplomats is unconscionable. we're saying look, until you go and tell us how you're going to fix it, we need to start having this conversation. i think it's very frustrating. but no, we're not implying the cuban government did it because we don't know that for sure. what we are saying is find out what's going on and get to the bottom of it and make it stop. >> you have mentioned a few times you're glad you're in new york and not washington. have you noticed a difference in john kelly's tenure as chief of
staff? >> well, i can tell you this. he is certainly very disciplined. he has brought order and organization to the white house in a way that i think everybody is relieved. and i think he keeps everyone on message. he keeps everything going in the right way. he still alolows for communication to help. i think he's a huge asset to the team. all right, ambassador haley. appreciate you coming on and sharing your views. when we come objectiback, presi trump is increasingly under siege from those who would normally support a republican president. here's one example. saying the president is untethered to principle. plenty more where that came from. that will be next. looking for balance in your digestive system?
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welcome back. kimberly st r assel, heather mcghee, and kasie hunt. and dan ball, chief correspondent for "the washington post." before you get into t i'm going to start the conversation this way. let's take a look at the criticism of president trump. we've been hearing a lot these days, but it's all coming from folks who would normally be supportive of a conventional republican president. bob corker used the phrase heading towards world war iii. peggy noon an, something's
going. tantrum as governance. and even the president's close friend, he's better than this. dan, you called it governing by cattle prod. what is happening? it feels like we're in another level of republican concern about the president. >> well, you know, i think you could argue it's another level. i think it's a continuing level. i think this comes and goes. there are moments when something happens and i think you have to give senator corker the responsibility for ratcheting it up this week for what happened a week ago today in the tweets. what we've seen from the president both on the health care and on the iran agreement, we've seen this effort of him clearly frustrated in action. clearly wanting to send a signal to his base that he is trying to do the things he said he would do. but without a clear solution or a path to get to where he wants to get to. so he throw its to the congress. and says you all fix it.
>> kimberly, peggy noonan, your colleague had a pretty tough piece on the president noting all the different sort of blind quote complaints and public quote complaints. when a theme like this keeps coming up, something's going on. a lot of people appear to be questioning in a new way or at least talking about trk the president's judgment, maturity and emotional so lid tee. >> some of the people you mention there at the beginning have been long time critics the president trump. >> not bob corker. >> that is new, but he was the subject of a tweet blast so he probably needed to get something out there. i think if you talked to most republicans, it's actually interesting, they kind of move beyond the surprise stage anymore. what surprises them is anybody is surprised anymore that the president does these things. and so instead trying to just get things done. and i would argue that what you actually saw coming out of the white house this week was, in fact, the product of some very
deliberate work. it wasn't necessarily chaotic. he didn't defy his advisers. they said don't get out of the deal and he didn't. he decided to have congress finally have a say on all of this when ich is what congress should have got in the first place. >> i do think playing games with the iran deal does have an effect on our credibility, on what's happening inside the country. it strengthens the hand of the anti-american hard-liners. it's just not a well thought out policy that he's putting forward. it's as you said, chuck, it's the desire to sort of make news and look tough and then punt without a sense of the end goal. and the problem with that these are life and death situations. that his sort of desire to always look tough, his desire to make news, whether it's in puerto rico, whether it's with
the nfl, whether it's with health care. you start to see this sense that he's trying to create this constant us versus them where the us is a very narrow sagment of the country and the them is far too many people whose lives are on the line and are vulnerable right now. >> one thing about bob corker's role in all of this is that i don't think his response is because the president tweeted at him. corker is extraordinarily strategic in this way. he is someone who has built a relationship with the president and who has figured out what the president responds to, which is strong public statements. many of the saerenators who hav the -- >> that is true it. does get his attention. >> they've learned that if the president sees you on tv, suddenly he thinks that you matter. so i think corker has been watching carefully to see if his remarks that the president could start world war iii perhaps inclined the president to make a public stand and show that's not what he was going to do.
corker was very involved in these behind the scenes negotiations around what was ultimately a half measure for the president on iran that was -- he didn't go as far as he wanted to go with the president. >> right but many republicans in fact want to be handling this issue because look, they were never happy that barack obama went out and had a piece of paper and didn't certify it as give it to the congress as a treaty for them to have a role. >> the reason he didn't do that because republicans, most of whom are still in office, were not willing to do that. >> in fact, what the hope is, and this is where i disagree, you can come out of this much more strongly. what you do is get congress and the europeans to renegotiate some of the terms of this and move beyond the kind of delusionary policy of iran that wasn't really working. >> dan, i guess he's asking a lot of congress in the next 90 days. we've got to get a budget passed. keep the lights on. the debt ceiling. let's not forget the
d.r.e.a.m.ers. i think the health care issue is being punted to congress. they haven't had the capacity to get much done. and now the president's made their plate fuller. it looks like it's going to implode. >> loading more and more and more on congress is an unreal expectation on the part of the president given what we've seen this year. i want to go back to one thing. a lot of the people that have been critical have been critical for a long time. i was struck by tom's comments in our newspaper. mike did the interview with him. tom barrack is an old friend, he's had a friendship with that is pretty deep. for him to suggest in the way he did that he is stunned, disappointed, surprised, i mean, there was a level of concern that came through in that interview that i think everybody has to take note of. >> by the way, anybody else take note of nikki haley didn't pour cold water on the drama. she just distanced herself from it.
i'm in new york. >> well, i just think there's a level of frustration. you heard the chief of staff say this as well in his meeting that people are so focused on these internal what's going on in the president's head and do his allies, are they still happy with him and no one's paying attention to what's really going on. the iranian deal, in fact it is bob corker and tom cotton who are working on legislation -- >> but you know who stoking the fires? steve bannon. if you don't denounce, you're on my list. he name checked. deb fisher of nebraska? seriously? >> the broader strategy, i think we've talked about the president kicking all of these things to congress, it sets up very well to 2020. the president goes out there and says this priority, this priority, congress, you have at it. they do nothing. who's in a good position? >> sets him up. what does it do to republicans in 2018? >> does he care? i'm not sure he cares i'm wondering if steve bannon is
trying to create a new waive of candidates that is going to be and i don't think this is e lgo to electorally happen, but a new field of candidates in 2018. >> a lot of the field we're talking about are not necessarily big successful case studies out there. look at nevada. danny tarkanian. how many times has he lost in five times. how many republican donors do you actually get behind this movement? steve bannon is saying i think it's something the republicans need to be aware of. >> you take this bannon stuff seriously or is he a little bit -- there's times he strikes me as a lot of hat and not much tap. >> i do and i don't. i take it seriously because he has a mega phone right now and he has a platform that he is using. in the same ways that trump is a disrupter from where he is, steve bannon is disrupting. and the more tension and the more infighting and the more
anger there is created in the base against the republican establishment, the more difficult it is to get all these other things done. >> i'm going to pause the conversation here. when we come back, governor john kasich of ohio. whether he and president trump can exist in the same political party. we'll be right back. so why wouldn't you take something for the most important part of you... your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is now the number one selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide. prevagen. the name to remember.
welcome welcome back. it's one thing to propose changes. it's quite another to implement those changes. that falls to the governor. one of those had and may still had aspirations. joining me is john kasich of ohio. welcome back. >> yes, sir. >> let's talk health care. you've been implementing the law. you've been both trying to propose fixing it and trying to make it work as it is. let me ask you this. did what the trump administration announced on friday, do you consider it as some critics have a purposeful attempt to sabotage obamacare? >> well, chuck, i can't read people's mines, but what can i tell you is to cut these payments off, and people are saying oh, well, these were some
big bonus to shurinsurance companies. no. they were for hard working who don't make a lot of payment to have their co payments taken care of. what this decision leads to are higher prices some people will not be able too afford health insurance or people will have to make very significant choices. i'm talking about hard working people trying to work their way up and out of their situation. it's going to impose higher costs on their families. some people will not be able to afford it. but what i don't understand, chuck, is what are they doing? are they just passing these things? and people are praising what the president did? because of politics? i mean, do they understand the impact that this has on families, on people? read the stories of what these people are saying. they finally have health insurance and then the next day they wake up and now they're not so sure they can afford it or whether they'll be able to have
it. what is the purpose of this? i've got to say, chuck, this whole issue is about people. it is not about politics. it is not about numbers. it's about people. and these congressmen, they're seemingly willing to do nothing. and i've got to tell you, including the democrats who once this last republican proposal died, they seemed to walk away from the table and not want to give states flexibility. it's a shame on everybody. who gets hurt? people. it's just outrageous. think if i told you and your family have no health insurance or it's priced so high you can't afford it. can you manage what you're life would be like? >> next year we're not sure how insurance companies are going to handle this. we know they've already filed their rates and in someplaces they're talking about delaying implementation. what is ohio going to do? if anybody gets caught in there, do you have a plan to subsidize on your own? i know minnesota is coming wup
with different ideas. >> we actually anticipated that these payments would not be made. these companies are going to take this hit for the first two or three months. but for the next year, they anticipated that these payments would be cut. we always budget conservative live and plan conservative live. but over time this is going to have a dramatic impact. it's going to be up to congress. alexander and murray. they were out there doing things and then disappear. we need to stabilize that market. we have eight governors of both parties saying this was an essentially thing to do and i hope alexander and murray will do it and i hope this will absolutely bipartisan. this has to be demanded. >> these payments have to continue, pure and simple? >> yeah, for a while. >> and then what? >> well, chuck, we've got a long program of how we can give states flexibility within guardrails. what we don't want to have happen is massive numbers of people lose health insurance and
at the same time they can have benefits that are flexible but they meet the needs of people and longer tem we need to pay for quality health care, not for quantity. that's a much bigger issue. we'll have to do a whole show on that. >> you've been working with a lot of governors around the country that share some of your concerns, both republican and democrat. do you know if the white house reached out to any of those governors in the last week? >> no. i don't know. >> when was the last time you spoke to anyone at the white house? >> this is a mantra about obamacare. and it's -- to me it's fundamentally political. because frankly, if you are to do these things, what is the result? what are you putting in place? what's going to happen to the people that get stuck with these higher costs or lose insurance all together? that's what i don't understand. i understand the politics. i really don't understand it, but the politics, but what about the policy? what comes in place? my mother and father used to say johnny
johnny, if you don't like something, what are you going to do that's better. i haven't heard that yet. >> are you implying you believe the president is just anxious to make it look like he's undoing anything obama touched? is that your concern here with obamacare? >> i don't know about, that chuck. what i am concerned is, look, i just don't think there's any policy here. what i am concerned in terms of rejecting everything that obama's done. and look, i disagreed with president obama a lot of the time. one of the things i am concerned about is the drift that we are in right now in terms of america and the world. chuck, there's a battle now. the russians and the chinese want author aritarian type government. the iran thing, we'll see how that turns out. there is an issue here where we're weakening the things that we put in place after world war ii to keep the world safe and reflect our values. we can't afford to walk away. if we walk away, this thing
collapses. who wins? the authoritarians. the russians and the chinese. not good for our country and not good for freedom. >> there seems to be a massive battle taking place inside this republican party. steve bannon yesterday at a confab of folks, called a value's voter as summit, he declared it a season of war against the republican establishment, singling out people like bob corker. what do you make of what steve bannon is doing on the republican party? >> look, i was on a show not long ago saying i'm very disappointed in the direction of the republican party. the republican party cannot be anti-trade. the republican party can't be anti-immigrant. the republican party just can't walk away from increasing debt. we can't go out and start grabbing people out of their homes who have been good people living in this country and shipping them out of this country willy-nilly or taking
away health care from millions of people. this is not what the party is. look, i grew up in the reagan era. here's what it was. it was sunny, it was positive, it was inclusive. it was a big tent and there was room for everybody. pro growth. all the things that we really like. connectivity. welcoming. that's where this party needs to be. when we don't head in that direction, i'm going to fight to push us in that direction. >> you sound like a lonely even in your own state. your lieutenant governor, who's running to replace you, said she wanted to get rid of the medicaid expansion. i've got to read this. we cannot have a governor who comes with republican values and goes out with democrat values and think that the state is going in the right direction t. seems as if republicans who are on the bal although the in 2018 are nervous about associating with your viewpoints about perhaps the trump base. >> you know, i think the base drives the politics here to be
honest with you. we're up 479,000 jobs since i came in after being down 350. we've got $2 billion in the bank and a solid balanced budget. we've left in one behind. i know it's difficult for people to be able to navigate all this. i don't just want economic growth for those who a few. i want to make sure everybody in our state feels as though they're included. including the issue of race. which we have dealt with fairly effectively. i say very effectively here in the state of ohio. so my view is everybody ought to have a chance to rise. that's the party i grew up in. if people want to yell and complain and criticize, i don't pay any attention to that. we're doing the right things because the people of the state believe we're heading in the right direction. >> at what point do you think you won't be able to change your party? >> i never give up. i'm optimistic that i can move the party in a direction that will be positive and we're doing it here. and in fact, just because there's some activist that
scream and yell, that's not where the bulk of the people are. >>. have you rule outrunning for president in 2020? >> i don't know what i'm going to do tomorrow. i will tell you this. the other day with all the chaos going on my wife said to me one morning, i wish you were president. that's how i knew the country was in trouble. >> well, there you go. boy, there's an anecdote that a lot of people will say you might be running in 2020. i'm going to leave it there. i appreciate you coming on. >> if it's sunday, of course it's "meet the press." >> when we come back, you may have more in common with someone living thousands of miles away than with people in your own state. today, the new new york is ready for take-off. we're invested in creating the world's first state-of-the-art drone testing facility in central new york and the mohawk valley, which marks the start of our nation's first 50-mile unmanned flight corridor. and allows us to attract the world's top drone talent. all across new york state, we're building the new new york.
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look at the presidential election results since 2000 it's become clear the big metro centers are starting to look more like each other than the rest of the states they're actually in. fulton county, georgia. home to the city of atlanta. in 2000 al gore did 33 points better than in the rest of the georgia. by 2015 that gap grew to 51 points for hillary clinton. similar story in milwaukee wisconsin. gore did 24 points better in milwaukee than the rest of the state of wisconsin. in 2016 that number climbed to 44 points for clinton. regional differences that we've long relied on have become frankly antiquated ways to describe the country. atlanta and milwaukee, urban, diverse, democratic, look, feel act more like each other than they do the rest of their regions. south and midwest. so why is that? well, the pure research center recently asked what kind of community people preferred to live in. 65% of republicans said they would prefer to live in a
community, quote, where the houses are larger and farther apart but schools stores and restaurants are several miles away. that's a pretty spot on description of a rural community or an outer suburb. among drk democrats 61%, quote, smaller houses, closer together, walkable to schools, restaurants. that's a pretty apt description of a big city or close in suburb. these aren't just cosmetic differences. where you live plays a big role in who your neighbors are. stores and strunrestaurants tha shop at and how you see the world you live in. it's increasingly about identity and how people live their everyday lives. when we come back, the motion picture academy expelled harvey weinstein yesterday and said, quote, the era of willful ignorance and shameful complicity in sexually predatory
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back now with end game. i want to start with health care. we know the politics of health care are fraught. look at this poll. who is responsible for health care going forward? 60% said president trump special republicans. 28% said president obama and democrats. pottery barn rule in effect here? >> absolutely. somebody needs to tell the white house. he is deliberately sabotaging -- >> you believe it's a deliberate sabotage? john kasich wouldn't go there. >> oh, i think he was being very politic. i don't think anyone has an other theory about why. >> i do. >> okay. go ahead. >> he's not deliberately. >> i'm sorry, didn't steve bannon actually just admit it? i was looking at twitter. steve bannon just admitted it's about sabotaging the bill. >> the one word we haven't heard anyone say is these were extra legal pages. you're not supposed to make these pages unless they're appropriatated by congress. they have not been appropriatated since 2014. >> there's a legal dispute about
it. >> so far the only ruling on the book has backed that up. and congress has wanted that authority back. and so i think the goal here is that first of all, it's not necessarily going to destabilize the market although it will likely decrease choice. >> and premiums by about 20%. >> which people will get subsidies from the other end. >> why is why it will cost more money. >> and about a million people will lose health insurance. >> the republicans probably have a motivation to go out and continue them and put their stamp on them. democrats have a -- may have a goal to go out -- >> you have my theory. that's what i believe. this is to inspire a deal in congress. >> that he's not against these subsidy payments. he just is daring congress to codify it. >> that's right. >> add to the list, right? >> but kasich -- >> pieces up for negotiation. >> how does that get to the house? that will get through the senate. how does that get to the house?
>> if they can, in fact, if lamar alexander and patty murray are able to come back to the table and get something done, i do think there is a possibility there will be a bipartisan fix for the markets. to get it through the house you're going to need nancy pelosi on board. i do think that's the sticking point. i think that's part of the president's calculation. i think he feels chuck schumer understands how he operates and him daring democrats to do this is part of trying to actually cut deals. i do think at the end of the day the president wants to cut deals. he wants to be viewed that way. i think he's concluded that mitch mcconnell and republicans aren't going to help him but democrats might. >> do you believe he will sign anything on health care that makes it look like he made a change? >> probably. sure. >> no matter what it does? >> yes. because he's never been in any fixed position on what he thinks about health care. so i think he's open to anything that suggests that they are solving a problem or a piece of the problem. i think the question is i agree with you, i think he wants to
make deals. i think he's not clear which side he really wants to try to deal with first or how he brings the two sides together. >> heather, is there the political capital for the democratic leaders to negotiate with trump? >> i think that if they were to be able to do something which would reach real people, improve the health care situation in this country, because we're talking a lot about political gainsmanships and where the president is trying to move and he wants to appear to look like he's the one who seeigns a deal. meanwhile people can't afford to go to their doctor and not through any fault of their own. why are so many people who need seize subsidy? it's because big profitable businesses are not paying their employees and they're cutting back on benefits. it just feels like often times the core question of can working families afford health care is getting lost it all of this. >> if you'd like health care in
your political tv ads, i think they will be. let me change subjects. harvey weinstein. women in hollywood -- were pro polling forces in the fire raining down on weinstein. i hope it's a witch hunt said a top hollywood woman. i hope it's a purge. there are people we have to get rid of in our business and everyone knows that. let's set aside the fact that witch hunt is the wrong metaphor to use here. but you sort of see the point. do we think hollywood will follow through and truly purge? >> i'm not sure. this town there's power and balances in all the hallways. >> capitol hill. >> a lot of women have experienced a lot of things like this. the question is going to be is the culture on now a long term
aof chana arc of change or not. >> we were talking about this topic and talking about the discussion we should have. one of my producers said the way i feel about it, the gun control debate which feels like we're always in a cul-de-sac and it goes nowhere. she was arguing that that's the sexual assault conversation we have and women in the workplace. we have the conversation when something high profile happens and then it goes away. >> actually, i think we have the conversation a lot if you think about it. for instance just a couple of weeks ago everyone was having a discussion about the education secretary betsy devos and the campus rape guidance she's given. what i would like to see i hope come out of this is that people can in fact begin to make distinctions about the examples of that that are very, very bad. like allegedly what just happened with weinstein and realize that not in every situation it comes to that level. and that we need to make sure that those people are being made
an example of. whereas instead of having a money conversation on campus about anyone. >> so i was sitting in this chair with the "access hollywood" tapes came out. i remember sitting there thinking this man is bragging about his pow tore assault women and he's in the white house. i don't think we're going to see a change until there is criminal accountability for abusing your power. and that's what this is all about. >> we have to leave the conversation there because we are truly out of time. thank you you all. before we go, i want to take note the folks in california who are dealing with those wildfires. one santa rose a resident said when you stand there and look at those fires, there are no words. remember all the folks who have lost loved ones. all of our thoughts are with you. that's all we have for today. thank you for watching. we'll be back next week.
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