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that avenue so early in his presidency and i think it's concerning. where they are going right now is the last chance -- i hope you agree with me, michael, is to get this tax reform deal done, hopefully by the end of the year because once we go into 2018 calendar cycle, it's going to be really hard. >> president trump is like no other american president in history. he had no military experience or experience in office and surrounded himself with people largely from the military and business and, for example, leading into the failed health care vote in the senate, viciously attacking the beginning of an actual governing process that i hope we can get some things done. >> this is a president and there's no inherent problem with this, who just wants a deal.
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normally if a president has control of the house and senate, they send some signals in thames of what they want ideologically and this is a president who seems to have help with the democrats and republicans and that's confusing. >> i hear michael saying that there's a steep learning curve. to me, as someone who has never been president and did not want to be president, it might make commonsense for you not to attack your party, just as -- with no political experience. >> it doesn't seem to me like he's ever belonged with mitch mcconnell. >> he ran the republican ticket and, as a result, you have attacking mitch mcconnell and attacking specific senators and saying -- basically picking these fights when you know how congress works and that they at least have to vote. that's the minimal understanding. the second thing is, president trump has never been someone who is all about policy. this is someone who is an
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entertainer and not about politics and who said, here is my tax reform and all of the policies. he's happy to have a deal. >> going back to michael's point, it's unclear that the president understood all of the nuances of how congress works. congress is incredibly tricky. your job, i remember, is tutoring reporter who is came up to the hill on how congress worked. >> exactly. >> it's a prioritization, if you don't mind, from the very beginning and campaigned on very populous and now you see that same problem. he really wants tax cuts. no one doubts that he wants tax cuts. what did he do in this past
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week, he flew on the platter of things that congress needs to get done. iran and health care. that is not prioritizing tax cuts. that is messing things up and making it really hard for a lot of us to get the one thing that you really want done. >> so we may not talk about it as much, but republicans are not the only ones dealing with some interparty strife. i want to turn to the democrats who have problems of their own. this week we have "the new york times" reporting on a letter to democratic lawmakers and campaign committees demanding that they call for president trump's impeachment. that was sent by tom stire, one of the most prominent donors who gave $90 million to the democratic election. minority leader nancy pelosi is facing pushback from her party and increasingly being put on the defensive. >> we have this real breadth and talent within the caucus and i
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think it's time to hand the torch to a new generation of leaders. >> i think i'm a great legislator, i know the budget and self-promotion is a terrible thing but clearly somebody has to do it, so -- >> somebody has to do it. might as well be here. >> what's your take on where democrats are right now? let's start with pelosi because she is facing -- she's been in power for quite a long time and there are a lot of people frustrated that they don't have their own shot. >> i will say, the democrats are incredibly lucky because donald trump often feels like the answer to everything and that is one of the answers she gave when she was asked, should you make way for the new generation and he said it's quite important. he does have experience. >> michael steele? >> as someone who believes in house majority and republican majority in the house of representatives is good for the nation in the world, i am an unabashed supporter of nancy pelosi, remainor democratic leader in the house.
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i think she's huge for us. >> i think i'll say in the conversations with democratic aides, while there are very few people who want to come at nancy pelosi on the record, the party is starting to grow frustrated with the fact that she's there and democrats if you think about it, the last time there was an open primary for the president was something like 2004. there's a feeling that they have stifled their own growth with clinton running and running and with the democratic leadership, they are not reflective of a bernie sanders wing of a party that is increasingly having more and more voice in the party. >> she's not going anywhere before 2018. >> she's not? >> that said, can they sweep the house if republicans get to run against her.
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>> they have a better chance in the house than in the senate just because of the map right now. you cannot assume that democrats automatically win because there is 23 seats, something like that, that hillary clinton ran with representatives but if there's a massive kind of movement of democratic participation and if republicans are depressed, if the turnout is depressed, i think they could possibly come close. >> you think they are more likely to do it with her or without her? >> she's going to be there. >> i will tell you that there's no answering that question. a younger generation at a time when everyone is angry at washington and the establishment and throw the bums out mentality, having this symbol as the new order of their -- >> it's being masked because of
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the fights on the republican side. it's bubbling. it's simmering the when i was in illinois, the democrat there would not commit to voting for her. i'm just saying, she's going to be there. >> ashley, really quickly, the litmus test that's being set up for democrats who are being -- and i've tried to ask a couple members of congress this and they all sort of ran away from the question, which is, should the president be impeached. that's the standard that tom stire is setting. what impact does that have for democrats? >> it's a tough litmus test but defending seats where president trump won. i can't imagine a lot of them coming out and sort of choosing to take a side. i think to the point, there will be a lot of people running away from her in the halls of congress when you try to ask that question but then again, tom stire has a ton of money and he can't be dismissed as a wimsy, wealthy donor.
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>> he said that they were going to come up with a message that had nothing to do with we are not donald trump. >> a better deal or better way? >> they can't remember either. so essentially democrats do not. most democrats i talked to do not think that it's smart to put him on as the number one -- >> and tom stire has his own political ambitions. democrats out there would love to see him bludgeon trump over russia but this comes after a polling memo that told democrats democrats out there would love to see him bludgeon trump over russia but this comes after a polling memo that told democrats don't do this, stay focused on health care. >> and california is different than virginia which is the
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center of the midterm election in a couple of weeks. less than a week, we will have seen two presidents and vice presidents campaigning in virginia in the governor's race. the latest poll puts the democrat, ralph northah ahead of gillespie by seven points. but george bush will be there to fund raise for him and later in the week obama is going to rally for northah. and already this weekend, mike pence and joe biden were on the campaign trail as well. >> you have spent your whole life devoting it to society. >> you got a win for two reasons. one is to give everybody hope, give people hope that we are not falling into this sort of no-nothing pit here. secondly, to generate programs that save a heck of a lot of people. >> look at the agenda. he's fighting to grow the
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economy and cut income taxes across the board here in virginia just like we're going to do for all of the american people. and when it comes to security at home, president trump and ed gillespie will stand without apology with those who stand on the blue line of law enforcement. >> so michael steele, of all of the republicans, ed gillespie has to be the least trumpian candidate. >> i think there's something to that. he's got a really rich policy-focused campaign. i think he came so close in 2014 to winning that senate race that nobody thought he could win. if the nrc diverted resource to help him, i think he'd be in the united states senate today and despite the polls right now, i think he's got a really good chance of being the governor. >> steve bannon keeps railing against it.
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he was a head of the rnc and a lobbyist. >> seems like -- heidi, what's your sense of where this race stands, what it will tell us about the future? it's actually -- virginia has been something of an early warning sign, if you will, in 2010 when republicans won the house, et cetera. >> in the past, but virginia has gone blue for the democrats in the past elections and if you look statewide, it's mostly democrats, et cetera. so i think that this is only a big story if the republican wins, just because of where we are in the polls right now and it plays on the cultural
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tensions because many believe that is his best chance of pushing the monument stuff, going after this ms-13 gangs and tieing them to sanctions ware cities. it will be interesting to see how he plays that cultural card. >> and this is the president tweeting about it. there is some truth to that and the part that the president did when he ran -- >> absolutely. he's straddling the line of voters and while he's doing this weird dance, i'm interested to see what the president ends up doing. the president is very gun-shy about what happened after in alabama. he endorsed the more establishment candidate -- >> luther strange. >> right. who did not win. you mentioned earlier that it
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nags at him and he thinks about it a lot so i think he would be worried about going all in and appearing at a rally as much as ed gillespie would be worried about the president appearing at a rally and then not having him win. >> i wonder what having barack obama back in the spotlight will do. we're going to leave that there for now. coming up, is mississippi is state that is in play? plus, senator al franken joins us live on the set. we're going to talk about his book, the state of the party and why it's okay for him to be funny again. >> governor -- >> senator. >> -- thank you so much for coming into my office. did you enjoy meeting me? >> i hope you are as much fun on that as you are on your couch. >> well -- the olay 28 day chae see visible results day 1.
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after a series of executive orders designed to dismantle the
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affordable care act, the president tweeted "the democrats obamacare is deployeding. dems should call me to fix." well, you can't say that when you're actively imploding it. >> "saturday night live" on president trump's take on health care. the other, decertifying the iran nuclear deal. joining me now is senator al franken, a democrat from minnesota. >> a pleasure to be on your premier show. i had understood i was going to be on -- i was going to be your sidekick and be on every week, but i was told that just -- >> we only invited you for six minutes? >> yes. >> i'm sorry. but we are happy to have you back whenever you want. >> very different than what i understood.
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>> i think you used to want that job at one point, the weekend update? >> yeah. you read the book. >> yes. >> i'm senator and happy to be here. >> but you wanted to be co-host with "kasie dc"? >> it's a sunday night. it could have been a good transition to getting back to work. >> i'm sorry to disappoint you. let's talk about your actual day job, health care. we were talking earlier with senator susan collins about what may or may not happen with the bipartisan negotiations going on with patty murray. >> the ranking and chair of the health committee which susan is on and i am on. >> where do those negotiations stand right now? republican leaders shut them down to try to take another shot at repealing -- >> to do graham cassidy. >> exactly. >> we had these great bipartisan meetings in the health care committee where the first hearing we had five insurance -- state insurance commissioners,
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three from republican states, two from democratic states. they all agree, got to continue the cost sharing agreements. got to do that. two days later, second hearing, five governors, they all agreed, got to continue the cost sharing reduction payments. doesn't make any sense not to because it would drive insurance premiums up 20%. so the whole point of this thing was to get the exchanges and the premiums to go down and, in addition, it would increase the deficit by $194 billion, according to cbo. >> because the government would have to pay more subsidies? >> yes. >> exactly. makes no sense whatsoever. everyone knows that. what the president is doing here is sabotage. >> what's the possibility of asking too much. >> i think if there's a negotiation, i know that lamar alexander talks about giving states flexibility. we're fine with that as long as
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>> what's the possibility of asking too much. >> i think if there's a negotiation, i know that lamar alexander talks about giving states flexibility. we're fine with that as long as it doesn't unravel the protections that people with pre-existing conditions have in terms of essential health benefits. >> i want to show you something that was on our sunday morning talk show. this is rex tillerson talking to jake tapper about the iran deal. >> you don't want to say anything about the senator calling or suggesting that you've been gelded before the world? >> i checked. i'm fully intact. >> that was his response to bob corker saying that rex tillerson has been castrated here. what do you think are the
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implications among the republicans and trump foreign policy team for the country? >> it does seem that the adults and the foreign policy team steams to be the chairman of the joint chiefs, secretary of defense and secretary of state, they have been saying iran is in compliance and pulling out of this deal is -- it is bad for the united states and in so many different ways. european allies, russia, china, they are not going to pull out. so it will just leave us isolated and undercuts our leadership in the world and, boy, with north korea, this doesn't help. what kind of message does that send, that we abrigate every treaty we sign, whether it's paris or this? or every agreement? this just undermines our leadership. by the way, this was a good deal.
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imagine where we'd be on those other issues if iran had gone to nuclear weapons. >> and a list of foreign policy crises. so we've spent a lot of time on the air talking about republicans and their infighting but your own party, the democrats, have got their fair share of back and forth. you were somebody who, at one point, had your finger on the progressive base of the party. i mean, you wrote a book about rush limbaugh and now in this book you're saying, hey, i'm actually friends with some republicans. >> yeah. >> is that something that the democratic base is so angry right now. >> i think they know that to get things done here you have to work together, especially if you're a minority. >> do they in trump's washington? it seems like the tolerance -- >> who is they? >> whoever is the nominee in 2020.
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i haven't asked you if you are going to run. >> i am not. >> absolutely run ruling it out? >> yes. i don't want to be president. >> how do they handle a base so angry that they don't want to tolerate being friends with republicans? >> when i go back to minnesota, i was in minnesota all this week. i heard a lot of, please get things done. they didn't like what the republicans were doing on health care. they hated trumpcare. i go all around minnesota and there was 17% approval. they want us to work together and get things done for them. i know that speaker ryan said that and he's actually right about that one thing. >> just that one thing? >> that one thing.
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when he was talking about tax reform, that's all about tax reps for people at the top. it's another trickle down thing and, you know, that's why we really should be doing things should regular order. that's what john mccain said and what we should be doing in the health committee and health care. did you know that the first hearing that we had this congress in the health committee was on exactly on shoring up the exchanges? >> yep. >> that was in early january before the president was sworn in. >> tom steyer, a billionaire donor, who is considering running against dianne feinstein in a primary, should be are you willing to say that the president should be impeached. so do you think the president should be impeached? >> i think we have to wait to see what bob mueller comes up with.
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i think we have a process in place. i think tom steyer is a great guy but i don't agree with him on this. i think bob mueller is in the right position and i don't think you should impeach someone for as much as i don't approve of the way that the president has been doing his job or the way he acts outside the norms of a president or as a human being, i still think that we need to do this the right way. i don't think the american people will accept it and i'm agnostic on this until we find out exactly whether the president broke the law and i think bob mueller will tell us and whether it rises to the high crimes and misdemeanors.
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>> one more question, the president has not attacked you yet, i don't think, but if he had to give you a nickname, what would it be? >> giant of the senate. >> it's got to be one word. that's four words. >> giant al franken? >> giant. just giant. everyone would know what he was talking about. >> okay. i see. al franken, thank you so much for taking the time. >> thank you and congratulations on your show. >> you have an invitation to come back anytime. >> thank you. senator al franken, thanks so much. mississippi state senator chris mcdaniel is joining us live and he knows a thing or two about running against the establishment. we'll be back after this. >> what did you take away from what happened to eric cantor recently? is there an anti incumbent wave? >> the people of the country are finally waking up again. you see a great awakening among all of the people in the court, particularly conservatives, who are very dissatisfied with the way that our country is going.
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steve bannon hopes to apply pressure to incumbent republican senators across the map. down in mississippi past may turn out to be prologue. he argued that incumbent thad cochran wasn't doing enough to stop then president obama saying he was out of touch with conservatives in mississippi. it was a race full of bending the rules and it included lots of dirty tricks, including a criminal sentence for a blogger who spied on cochran's wife in her nursing home. it was a race that got so close that the u.s. chamber of commerce got hometown hero brett favre. >> i've learned through football
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that strong leadership can be the difference between winning and losing and when it comes to our state's future, trust me, mississippi can win and win big with thad cochran in washington. >> i'm dying to know if brett favre is still wearing that beard. in the end, thad did not win so it went to a runoff and he lost but now his name is back in the mix once again considering challenging sitting senator roger wicker. question, can the lessons learned in 2014 in mississippi and in alabama in 2017 where it went the other way translate across the map? chris mcdaniel is joining us now.
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sir, thank you so much for taking the time to be with us tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you and congratulations on the new show. i knew not a chance i could miss this. >> you're a great second act to senator al franken. thank you for your kind words. i have to ask, have decided, are you going to challenge roger wicker in the primary? >> i can tell you that the race is much more compelling. naturally, the environment, pro-conservative environment because the people of the deep south are tired of the inactive tea in d.c. and the leaders are supposed to be riding for us and compelling justification. >> roy moore has a pretty storied history in alabama and a pretty controversial past and there are some who and a temperament ideology or are you different than he is. >> no politicians are precisely alike. we all have differences. i'm a constitutional conservative and i want to see change in washington, d.c., and i know roy wants to see change in washington, d.c. we need these agents of change.
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and there may be slight policy differences but as long as we're going there to change the system, that's something that i can support. >> senator, if you were to be elected to the senate, would you vote for mitch mcconnell asthma majority leader? >> that's a great question. differences but as long as we're going there to change the system, that's something that i can support. >> senator, if you were to be elected to the senate, would you vote for mitch mcconnell asthma majority leader? >> that's a great question. the answer is no, i will not support mitch mcconnell. bottom line is, leadership is failing conservatives across the country. mitch mcconnell is part of the problem. roger wicker on mitch mcconnell's leadership team is part of the problem. that's the new willingness to fight for a change and nothing that is ever going to change in washington, d.c. >> philip rucker has a question for you. >> what's your relationship with
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president trump and have you had any conversations with him about the possibility of running and do you think you might be able to get him to come on your side? >> that would be a great idea, certainly. he's popular in mississippi. back in 2014, he did endorse me twice. at the time, it didn't mean what it does now but i was very proud to have received. and so naturally, if you would like to come down, i would love to meet with him and look forward to the invitation. >> michael steele has a question for you, former john boehner spokesman. >> sir, i was just curious, senator wicker voted to repeal and replace obamacare and supported president trump's agenda down the line. every democratic senator voted against repealing and replacing obamacare, a fan full of
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republican senators did as well. >> hey, let's don't kid ourselves. roger wicker, based on conservative review, has a 30% score. that makes him the fifth most liberal republican senator in the united states senate. bottom line is, roger wicker votes more like a maine senator than a mississippi senator. he may be a nice guy but he's not a conservative champion or warrior and the scorecards indicate that. >> senator mcdaniel, you've clearly done your job on the scorecards for conservatives. roger wicker does regularly vote with the majority leader who until the events of past year have been very conservative. if mitch mcconnell shouldn't be leading conservative republicans, who should be? >> i'd like to see mike lee, maybe rand paul. that's not the way d.c. works.
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i realize these guys have to wait their turn. but they are at least talking about conservative ideas. they are at least championing the conservative cause. roger wicker is a mcconnell "yes" man and he's hardly a conservative. his score is a 48. that's better than wicker but not what we need in the united states senate and that's precisely what mississippi has said. mississippi expects conservatives to fight for us in the senate. not to go up there and rubber stamp anything mitch mcconnell says. right now we consider mitch mcconnell part of the problem. >> senator chris mcdaniel, if you have not decided that you are running, it certainly sounds as if you have done your homework in preparation for a potential run coming up. thank you so much for your time, sir. we have to leave it there. >> thank you very much for having me. >> thanks for coming. when we come back, hurricanes, wildfires and the las vegas mass shooting. with all of those big stories, other really important ones have been pushed out of the news cycle. we're going to dig into the
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latest with isis and the changing map of the middle east because you may not have heard very much about it lately. that's next.
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we received word that a british hostage has been murdered execution-style by his isis captors in another videotape beheading. >> for a time, isis and the terror attacks it carried out or inspired were dominating the headlines but at the peak, isis had close to 10 million people living under its control in iraq and syria.
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>> now isis is in retreat. in july, mosul was liberated after an almost nine-month force led by a u.s.-led coalition. there are some reports that some isis soldiers are leaving the battlefields and surrendering. on friday, president trump took credit for the turnaround. >> joining us now is msnbc anchor amman and i know you have a very early morning tomorrow.
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>> congratulations. >> thank you. >> we know that isis still has quite a bit of international reach but how have their capabilities changed since the president has been in office? >> well, you know, in the last couple of months, certainly the last mine nonts, isis has been under pressure in their so-called caliphate, facing both the pressures of the iraqi military, the popular fronts inside iraq. at the same time, the campaign that involves russia and syrian military as well. what has not changed, though, is isis' capability to spread its ideology and inspire the concern that many u.s. security officials have, which are the lone wolfs time of attacks. that may have been hampered because of what we've seen over the past nine months. what we haven't seen yet is the ideology being in any way, shape
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or form being derailed, being drained, if you will. in fact, most of the times when we see attacks happen around the world as we've seen in spain and in france, the first thing that comes to mind is isis somehow inspires people to carry out these type of attacks and that remains undeterred. >> what has changed materially about the u.s. strategy towards isis since president trump took office? does he deserve the question that he's taking? >> there have been air strikes against isis inside syria as well as inside iraq for several months during the obama administration. what would have to be a key component is have the rates -- has the acceleration of these attacks, has that increased, the targeting package increased? that's a military decision. the president has authorized things like drone strikes and that has increased, for example, in places like libya and
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elsewhere in places like pakistan and afghanistan. so there are components to the military strategy that has changed and that could have been as a result of military generals proposing that to president trump which he authorized. one thing that definitely has changed is the perhaps willingness of the u.s. administration to tolerate the presence of russia on the battlefield and certainly that has also contributed to isis' demise because the russians and iranian-backed forces have been, at least in their words, fighting isis in both syria and iraq. >> ayman, michael steele has a question. michael? >> a lot of the concern in the past about escalating air strikes and don't strikes has been the risk of blow backs by the u.s. or their allies. have you seen any evidence of that to this point? >> there's no doubt the resentment that it creates among the population in those countries is definitely something that the u.s. will be concerned about in the months and years ahead.
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you know, the issue of drone strikes is perhaps one of the most sensitive issues of blow back for the united states because in countries like pakistan and libya, hundreds have been killed because of these u.s. drone strikes. the long-term consequence of these is it isolates the population and creates resentiment and perhaps more hard line people will perhaps at one point take up arms and revenge the deaths of their relatives. but it really alienates the hearts and minds of the people that the united states wants to work with. there's that component to it. very few of these individuals ever see any kind of justice or compensation. we know that system has not proven to be efficient for them. so at the end of the day, the drone strikes may, according to the u.s., provide a tactical advantage but a lot of people are saying it is simply not
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worth what it is doing in terms of blow back and the negative effect of u.s. foreign policy over generations. >> ashley parker? >> we know foreign leaders
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is. you have it better than my orioles. >> true, true. >> i've actually raither not mae it into the playoffs than lose the waif the mets did. their season about a month.
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we ve a chance to not. >> i hear you are one of the most high profile gw basketball fans here in washington. talk to me about strassford. >> this is getting into my real emotions. we might have to bring me some tissues. max scherzer came in. he was going to lead us into the promise land. he gave up a bunch of runs and than the nationals lost in the bottom of the ninth, 9-8. he did a great job this chicago. can't believe i'm talking about sports. little bit out of character. i will say this, so many people areal nats fans.
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