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we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily," "the beat with ari melber" starts right now. ari, commence awkward silence now. >> well it's -- what i was going to say, you're passing it early. i didn't know if you wanted extra time for that. >> went long with the panel and had to kill our in case you missed it. blah, blah, blah. >> insider talk. letting people behind the curtain into what the nerds do on the set. that's always moderately interesting. katy tur, thank you. >> you too, see you. big show. no secret that donald trump and mitch mcconnell don't get along. rarely pretend to. but struck a happy note in the rose garden as trump made it official, asserted that obamacare no longer exists. >> also a report on harvey
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weinstein controversy renewing discussions on why donald trump's accusers speaking out had such different results. and did republicans like bob corker wait too long to confront trump. george will is calling mike pence a sycophantic poodle who know longer realizes extent of his -- rachel maddow will be here with me on "the beat" tomorrow night to talk about exclusive report we have on one of vladimir putin's foes. important topics. but now to our top story. donald trump holding impromptu press conference. made news and drama. served up a false claim that
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president obama didn't call families of fallen soldiers and taunted hillary clinton. >> hillary, please run again. >> talking about the stalled gop agenda in congress and who should be blamed. >> i have great relationships with many senators but in particular with most republican senators. but we're not getting the job done. i'm not going to blame myself to be honest. they're not getting the job done. >> please, be honest. trump also pushing blame wherever he could get it and in joint appearance with mcconnell, who he was blaming, turned around and gave a thumbs up. >> we've been friends a long time. probably now, despite what we read, probably now i think -- as far as i'm concerned -- closer than ever before. and the relationship is very good. >> relationship. what trump didn't mention about
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talking about that outstanding bond, there has been a clear feud playing out in public for months. >> our new president of course not been in this line of work before. and i think had excessive expectations about how quickly things happen in the democratic process. >> then trump landed on something that actually impacts millions of people's lives, something we've been covering a lot here, health care. made a claim that's partly true. undercutting obamacare to the point may not be possible and partly false, obamacare is still federal law because republicans failed to repeal it. either way, this is the moment that mattered, trump heralding day one of trump care. >> obamacare is finished, it's dead, gone. shouldn't even mention -- it's gone. there is no such thing as obamacare anymore. >> shelby holliday for "wall
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street journal" and daily male and john harwood. this was a doozy on process, how prepared did mitch mcconnell look for first joint senate/white house press conference and what else can you tell us from being there? >> first time we've been called to rose garden. so suddenly a press conference like that, especially with senate republican leader, and you had mentioned early thaer trump said it was closest they've ever been. wouldn't have been too hard for this to be closest they've ever been. been feuding for some time. president trump blamed mitch mcconnell for not getting repeal and replace passed in the senate. today putting on a buddy cop show, saying been friends for
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some time. that's not exactly true. >> no it's not. i don't want to pick weirdest moment from this presser. >> would be tough. >> parts matter because of the news. weirdest moment is best member of wu tang clan. you can't do it. not doable. but donald trump after everything we heard saying he has the votes on health care. take a listen. >> we'll have a short-term fix with republicans and democrats getting together. i think we have the votes right now. as soon as we have the next reconciliation, i think we'll get the votes for health care. feel confident about that. think we already have the votes. >> it's 2017, part of our job is to have this exchange. ask the question, does he have the votes right now? >> to use donald trump's phraseology, i'll be honest, he does not have the votes. he's not closer than ever before
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with mitch mcconnell and obamacare is not dead. in particular -- this is to me the oddest thing about the cabinet meaning and press conference. declared obamacare said but said we are making bipartisan fix. the fix is in large part to restore the very payments that he stopped. he made the assertion, because of what i did, i'm causing bipartisan talks to happen. that's not true. they've been going on for some time. but it's potentially significant because if he follows through on this, that opens the door to the president in effect coming out, embracing a deal that props up the obamacare exchanges and takes credit for it. says because i'm doing this, i'm going to bring your premiums and deductibles down. and that would be a true statement compared with what he did last year. >> and big if. >> shelby, congress woman norman
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said on friday what donald trump started saying today, whether by political million practice or brainstorming, donald trump seems to be walking into the democratic buzz saw, message is owning this as trump care. take a listen. >> he's broken it now. it's on his watch. can no longer talk about obamacare. this is now trump care. trump, you own it. if this was a bluff, it was a bad bluff. >> shelby? >> democrats are looking at this and saying hey, you break it, you own it. trump doesn't want to own it but doesn't want obamacare to exist. we just heard him say stop talking about it, referring to it -- >> if you stop talking about it, it just goes away right? >> we don't know what he means when he says he has the votes, what he would have votes for. multiple bills have been shot down. senator collins reaffirmed opposition to latest bill and
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whole process by which the bills have come up in the first place. this is serious stuff, insurers have filed paperwork with states, many saying they have to raise premiums as much as 20%. trump hammered health care companies and pharmaceuticals and applauded that their stocks have gone down, he's injecting more and more uncertainty every day and when you look at big picture, it's not about health care stocks, pharmaceuticals, it's about american people and health care of american people. right now we don't know a lot about how it's going to play out. obviously scary for a lot of people watching this show. >> and staying on that point with the politics. kaiser family foundation, new pole -- all just break, indicators could trend worse for republicans. 64% saying you say it's yours now, trump and republicans responsible for these problems on obamacare moving forward. >> as john said, trump will say
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i pledged to dismantle obamacare, i'm doing that. democrats have no choice but to come to table. they may come to the table in democrats and republicans agree to fund cost sharing subsidies, maybe give more -- repeal the employer mandate. we don't know what they'd be willing to concede. at this point it's uncertainty. don't know where the compromise is. >> and only thing changed since august with trump blasting mcconnell is had more public failure to get votes on obamacare. genesis of that, as donald trump was holding himself out there as he often does, appeals to diminishing but share of the country, he's being tough, threatening to fire people, this, that and other, watch this after today's presser, wonder what kind of swamp draining is this? trump in august.
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>> i'm very disappointed in mitch. but if he gets these bills passed, i'll be happy and first to admit it. but honestly repeal and replace should have taken place. >> today he claimed he was happy with mitch regardless. >> yes. he claims a lot of things. but he also praised steve bannon, former white house strategist in the cabinet pool spray and to some extent later saying he understands why steve bannon is going after mitch mcconnell and his allies. steve bannon said over the weekend i'm cutting off mitch mcconnell's money. said he's challenging members who are loyal trump voters, 95% of the time voting for trump, going to primary them and try to take down mcconnell and the global establishment clique as he calls it. president didn't repudiate.
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said maybe i'll talk to steve and maybe some of the people he's going after are good guys but didn't disavow the effort. if steve bannon prosecutes with big donor money that campaign, that's going to be a real problem for health care, tax reform and everything else the president wants to do. >> francesca, what did you see there that we didn't? looked chaotic. >> main thing that people should pay attention to is what senate majority leader mitch mcconnell ended up saying, people in congress get to make the policy. winners get to make policy, losers get to go home. that's moral of the story. president seems to have tempered expectations on obamacare as he realizes took barack obama how many years to get there? hillary clinton and bill clinton never got health reform. if takes to beginning of next
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year would be still quicker than past administrations gotten there -- >> that was wildest part. hey give barack obama a break, he didn't get stuff done until year two. yeah. because you made it take a long time. politics is cyclical and knows no factual boundaries except when we put them on. coming up, trump responding to reports of requests for information in the groping lawsuit from "the apprentice" todays. legal bills adding up in russian inquiry, and fact check on trump's comments on claiming that obama didn't call the parents of dead soldiers as well as other people who served in the office. you're watching "the beat" on msnbc. d. biotène® provides immediate relief from dry mouth symptoms
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counsel robert mueller get to the end of the russia investigation -- >> i'd like to see it end. the whole russia thing was excuse for the democrats losing the election. there has been absolutely no collusion. it's been stated that they have no collusion. they ought to get to the end of it because i think the american public is sick of it. >> president trump today overtalking reporter asking about potential interview about robert mueller. there were reports that trump's lawyers to offer interview and knocked down threats to mueller's job. >> are you considering firing robert mueller? >> not at all. >> that's the white house message. about all trump said on the matter. if you think about it, kind of uncharacteristic restraint. shows that white house wants to speak less. there are some problems with that though. law can require you to speak
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more. why reince priebus agreed to long interview friday because there's obligation to talk to them. and federal law that requires trump to disclose what he's spending on lawyers. using $1 million on leg feels in last quarter, including a quarter million on don junior. he's not in government serving but was in the trump tower meeting with russian offering dirt on hillary clinton. back with me, francesca live from the white house reporting for the "daily mail." nick this is something that lawyers take for granted, but people often forget. law does make you talk. you have a right to silence in certain situations, you have a right to a lawyer. but as i just showed, there are things they have to share. >> that's right. ultimately mueller has the power of subpoena.
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if you don't come in and agree to have a conversation, they'll just give you grand jury subpoena and you have to go to grand jury and if you don't show up, can be held in contempt, put in jail for life of the grand jury, 18 months. >> weren't big surprises to my eye, curious what you thought, in the filings. most striking thing, all the attention on donald trump, aides, michael flynn, paul manafort, you see a significant sum, literally a quarter of the toll spent of the trump lawyers going to don junior defense. >> amazing. 25% of campaign funds going for legal defense fund including people who do not work in the white house, you wonder what they're doing with the lower level people who work there, secretaries and people who probably know the most about anything, wonder what legal representation they're getting. >> francesca, give us your view.
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showed donald trump overtalking, russia splaining if you will. but he was by standard of his public statements since the campaign, as concise as probably seen him in adversarial press conversation about this topic. >> it's clear he thinks probe should end. nothing new. white house saying that some time now. question as we go forward is whether or not there is a subpoena here for president or other people still working in white house, whether more voluntary interviews. president already said earlier in the summer he would be willing to talk to the special counsel, to bob mueller. will his counsel volunteer him to go forward? that's not something we heard today. unclear whether or not the president heard that part of the question. he was interjecting as she was
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talking at that point. unclear whether refusing to answer the question about volunteering his time or just didn't hear where she was going with it. >> play you another issue from the press conference. >> allegations against harvey weinstein -- sexual harassment allegations made against you. thoughts on that? >> all i can say, it's totally fake news. it's just fake, fake, made up stuff and disgraceful but that happens in the world of politics. >> cut that into two pieces. legally, not subpoenaed by prosecutors or anything like that. this is a request for information in discovery in one of these suits. donald trump had a famously claimed he was going to sue all the female accusers, he didn't. never made good on that threat or promise, whatever it was. but litigation from older court
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documents about a request for information, to be fair, fairly standard. having said that when he goes on in this climate and week and si says it's fake, fake, fake, last i checked these people are real, these women are real. they have chams, some of which seeking to adjudicate in court of law. what did you make of the response here? is that something the white house press corp. is going to stay on or is it closed issue? >> i think it will keep coming up because didn't hear a complete answer from the president. just a few words calling it fake news. i think he's saying their claims are false, untrue and he didn't think there was much else to say about them for that reason but that issue is not going to go away of course. i think there will be more questions about that. >> nick? >> i think he's going to wind up subpoenaed and have to testify
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in a deposition, as opposed to criminal proceedings, in civil proceeding, you go in, court reporter, lawyer that represents the plaintiff and they ask you questions. i think he'll have to do with bill clinton about with monica lewinski matter, answer questions about all of these. >> lawyer said subpoena stayed by court months ago. not over, just not right now. case could be further developments. nick and francesca. thank you both. new reaction from bizarre claim from donald trump that other presidents including barack obama didn't call the parents of fallen soldiers. and what does a goldman sachs millionaire know about populism? and program note. tomorrow on "the beat," a
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special report on putin's top foe, insight on meeting between jared kushner and top russian banker and afterwards i'll be joined by rachel maddow, making her debut on "the beat" tomorrow at 6:00. we'll be right backslash. . . . . . when you have a cold stuff happens. shut down cold symptoms fast with maximum strength alka seltzer plus liquid gels. (honking) (beeping) we're on to you, diabetes.
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leader. also responded to eminem. he clearly relishes being a villain to the left. message is i am whatever you say i am. if i wasn't, why would i say i am? that plus attacking wall street
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where he used to work. >> you guys have more common sense, more understanding of what we need to do and more decency than the elites. first order of business is to undo all the damage of globalism. right? that allowed silicon valley and wall street and hollywood and imperial capital right here in washington, d.c. if you think that elites that got the world into the situation that it is in today are going to make the right judgments 20 years from now, you're sadly mistaken. >> that attack also comes as another trump cabinet member under attack for hiding money in the trump transition. raising question of what populism means. some say trump's failure to drain the swamp is opportunity.
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piece about the real populist revolution, says it's on the left. form esh political adviser to bernie sanders and other democrats. jeff, how do you go from frustration with the trump team giving away everything from private jets to missing $2 billion i just showed over to this revolution? >> steve bannon is a skilled snake oil salesman, along with donald trump. both pledged in the campaign to help working people in this country, middle income people and seen from this administration unrelenting attack on the financial and physical health with attacks on aca of working-class and middle cls people across the country. george bush would not have had
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the nerve to pack that many of those people in his administration. bannon is part of the hypocrisy. >> play what donald trump said today about steve bannon. more immediate big public profile than the typical departing adviser. president today. >> do you agree with steve bannon's war on mitch mcconnell and republican establishment? >> steve is very committed. he's a friend of mine and very committed to getting things passed. we're not getting the job done, i'm not going to blame myself to be honest, they're not getting the job done. >> it's hard for him to answer a question about steve bannon without talking about himself. but what is going on here? >> steve bannon picked most of the cabinet. his version of populism includes billionaire cabinet members. i think steve bannon is supporting the trump agenda from
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outside the white house. includes taking on mitch mcconnell, jeff blake and more established part of the republican party. i would argue steve bannon is probably doing donald trump more good outside the white house than inside. he was very ineffective in the white house itself. >> right. comparison there is telling. he's less harmful when he has less power is another way to make the point. this is abstract. jeff weaver writes op-ed, everyone forwards it and talks about it. you have that power -- trying to get jeff weaver to smile. it's hard to do. >> i'll take the compliment. thank you. th . >> this is up in the clouds. zero in on something that affects people.
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something that donald trump talked about a lot on the campaign trail but major article that claims how dea has been stripped of the power to stop drug companies from spilling narcotics out into american streets. >> these were professionals doing it, drug dealers in lab coats. i think the drug industry, manufacturers, wholesalers, distributors and chain drug stores have an influence over congress that's never been seen before. came in with influence and money and got a statute changed because they didn't like it. >> okay. who did it in is sponsor of that move in congress, according to this exhaustive reporting is republican congressman tom marino. what is he doing now? he's donald trump's nominee to be drug czar. adding to the discussion is lenny bern stein, one of the investigative reporters that
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broke that story. what should people know about this? how do you deal with opioid crisis with corporate or capitalist component in this environment? >> if you want to talk swamp, this story is swampiest thing we've seen in long time. u.s. congress, drug industry, justice department, dea, all of these thrown into a big stew and end result, at time when 60,000 people are dying of drug overdoses, is that the dea loses its most potent weapon against large drug companies that are letting letting hundreds of millions of pills out on the street. if that's not swampiest thing that affects people, i don't know what it is. >> and this is one of the parts of it. don't blame on another country or foreign element right?
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you're talking about companies that operate in america under american law that are dealing with the american congress and your reporting shows are getting sweetheart deal to make money and donald trump's administration seems to think either they don't care or it's perfectly fine, they're promoting the guy behind it. >> correct. remember that mckesson, amerisource burden and cardinal health, three distributors that control 80% of the drug flow in this country are in the top 25 corporations in america by size. mckesson is fifth largest company in america, not just drug company. make billions of dollars off opioids and didn't like this law because dea was using it to stop them from breaking the law. dea was sanctioning them when they refused or declined or
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neglected to report suspicious orders of pain killers spilling out to users and dealers. so they went and got the law changed. that's the basics here. if the guy who carried that very onerous law tom marino becomes drug czar, i would argue that's pretty swampy. >> and this isn't just important issue if you care about americans and what is going on out there, it's literally one of the key things that donald trump campaigned on. it's what we know from leaked transcripts he told foreign leaders, won new hampshire because he called it an opioid-filled den quote/unquote. >> and staff has opioid initiative worked on among others by kellyanne conway. talked a lot about this issue but it's part of broader thing in the administration.
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often the cabinet nominees who are picked are people who are very, very close to the industry they're in. look at tom price and hhs. scott pruitt, epa, marino here, people are appointed to regulate agencies but they're very close to the business communities that sponsor those agencies and donate money and so on. hard to see them being effective regulators because they're not there for that. pruitt is pro company, looks like marino will behave in the same way. odd pick to be drug czar, sense on capitol hill, hard person to be confirmed. states affected by opioids, west virginia and ohio have republican senators who may have hard time voting for marino after this story came out. >> part of the investigative work that "washington post" and "60 minutes" did. not about tweets or nfl but deep
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shoe leather reporting. lenny, we appreciate you making time. thank you both. >> thanks for having me. president trump accusing past presidents of ignoring families of fallen soldiers. fact checked live. republican leaders starting to speak out against trump and george will is saying it's way too late. coming up. lease the 2017 nx turbo for $299 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. a. . when you have a cold
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president trump got fact checked in real time during today's press conference for this false and outrageous claim about former presidents. >> if you look at president obama and other presidents, most of them didn't make calls, lot of them didn't make calls. i like to call when it's appropriate, when i think i'm able to do it. they have made the ultimate sacrifice. so generally, i would say that i like to call. i'm going to be calling them. >> president trump there, discussing about whether and how other presidents make calls or contact with families of fallen soldiers. that was claim. nbc's peter alexander followed up and trump fell back sort of. >> early said that president obama never called the families of fallen soldiers. >> i don't know if he did. lot of presidents don't. they write letters. >> trump appears to think not
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knowing is a defense to a false accusation. it is not. if anything suggests a reckless innocence face of what is obviously a serious matter, how our presidents honor fallen soldiers. regardless of party. george w. bush parents of fallen seal, president obama there. and soldier killed here, president trump golfing. comes amidst new scrutiny about how the trump administration addresses the press. there was threat of taking away licensing. including this station. and also ivanka trump and whether she gets a pass too often.
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joining me, professor, start with you on that fact check exchange today. habit of mind seen with donald trump a lot. i don't know, or nobody knows when knowledge is available and he's misrepresenting or lying about it. >> fits into category of shocking but not surprising. what we're seeing ari, might be described as infantilization of the american president. president, instead of seen as most powerful person in the world with best information in the world and best staff is treated as a kind of boy king not expected to know anything because he's too immature and doesn't really know what he's doing. think we're becoming conditioned to that which is itself shocking but not surprising. >> look at that intersecting with something you've been writing about, goes to sense of
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patriotism. journalists allowed to be fair and factual and also feel patriotism. you've written about why it's painful for patriotic journalists to see this situation of the boy king. what more perfect demonstration in this serious discussion about how we deal with fallen soldiers, the reporters almost want to feed back to the president this information because it's not clear he does know he's lying. >> it's embarrassing to report on a president like this. humiliating in way to entire institution. the presidency institution includes the white house press corp. instead of facing full frontal that fact, journalists try to make it seem a little bit more normal than it really is. >> there's a theory of normalization, press is normalizing trump for sinister reason. some of what you've argued, not
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a good thing to normalize attacks on the press or lying or other behavior, sometimes it's more understandable reasons even if not reasons we should be acting on. hannah. >> bridge between my piece, what other people in the administration is trump implicating to lie for him and stand in for him? gets to ivanka to some degree. how much is she lying for her father, how much does she have to put on a front to hold up trump's lies. >> here she is in june trying out defense that some reporters have given too much credence too you say. >> i try to stay out of politics. fell blessed with being part of the ride from day one and before but don't profess to be a political savant. >> what did you find in your reporting when members of the media get access to her and
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confront that clearly false statement by someone working in political administration, at senior level, making decisions every day about policy and politics. >> and state for the record her lawyer stated she would be eyes and ears of the administration, job really had no limits to it. now she's backed away, saying i'm staying in my lane. heard from other reporters they have to get through army of lawyers and pr people to get access to ivanka. that's the difficulty in covering her. she has been covered to some degree about her stances on climate change and gender and other issues but haven't looked into her shady business dealings as much as we should have and does she really have the interests of american people at heart? >> not only don't know qualifications for serving in white house but really have no idea of her job description.
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hannah's article asked white house can you just tell us what ivanka does? she refused to reply. it's amazing, like a palace. >> no one would go on the record to give me her job description. >> it's ridiculous. she's invited on "the beat" if she wants but we'd ask what she does for living or not for living if it's unpaid. >> she's been covered in some capacities. everyone should read new yorker piece on trump's worst deal. major questions about the role she played in this deal investigated by three senators asking for it to be investigated. what did she know? >> still ahead, better late than never? republicans criticizing trump, george will has a tough column you got to hear, next. a heart attack doesn't care what you eat
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more top republicans are slamming donald trump, senator bob corkers made waves for confronting trump after announcing he would not seek re-election. but leading is undercult by the way he backed trump during the campaign when it mattered most. >> i have been repulsed by those who try to direct the electoral process in a certain direction. say well, no matter what people do, we're going to cause this to happen at the conversatintion. to me that's inappropriate. at the same time i plan to support our nominee that. >> nominee being donald trump. but in a blistering new column, calling out bob corker and other speaksing out now. he left the gop over trump and he is clearer than the other folks these days, george will was clear in warning people about trump before election day.
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>> after trump went after the mexican judge from northern indiana, then paul ryan endorsed him. and i decided that in fact this is not my party anymore. >> can the republican party withstand trump actually being their standard bearer? >> no. there will still be a husk of the republican party. >> he has an advantage on me because he can say everything he knows about every subject in 140 characters and i can't. >> in this new piece, george will laments mike pence becoming a leashed poodle, too sycophantic to recognize his degradations from trump. and no one can have sustained transactions with trump without becoming too soiled for subsequent scrubbing. those republicans who only now warn about trump after he won and is in charge bring to mind the mythology of the owl of minerva. some say the owl flies to warn against get eing lost in the forest when it gets dark. but because the owl only flies at dusk when you see her, you
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know darkness is coming, but it is too late to save yourself. with me now is george will, who wrote that column. george, are we like the owl when we hear from these republicans? did they act too late? and what were you trying to achieve in this new piece? >> they did act too late. the president remembered. before he was president said it's not called the conservative party. it's the republican party, meaning a not conservative party in his judgment. he has trafficked with members of the alt-right. they are honestly labeled. they are an alternative to conservatism. an alternative to conservatism understood as limited government founded with reference to the founders doctrine of natural rights. the alt-right with which mr. trump is flirting and which mr. bannon is actively embracing says in fact the tribalism to we as human beings are subject to temptation should not be transcended. it should be celebrated.
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it's a kind of right wing version of the identity politics that some of the left practice. and we're now seeing in mr. corker the kind of emancipation of someone who is walking out the door and is free to say what he wants without being afraid of offending the republican constituency. some people in the senate sometimes speak of the six-year smile of someone who had recently been reelected and doesn't have to face the voters for another six years. mr. corker may never have to face them again and therefore is emancipated. >> and george, do you think these republicans who went along with trump during the campaign were expecting him to lose and were surprised that they'd actually signed up for what some of them is four years of serious pain? >> i think they were expecting him to lose. a lot of trump staffer expected him to lose there is evidence mr. trump, regardless of what he says now, was expecting to lose. but in fact they're now in quite an untenable position.
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and you to have some empathy for them. they are at odds with half the base no matter which way they jump. if they decide to support the president, then traditional republicans will find them unacceptable. if they adhere to traditional republican principles, then the president in his -- with his as a fellow traveler now of mr. bannon will be with 30 or 40 or 50% of their republican party opposed to them. they're in an untenable position. but then who allowed this to happen? and who once it happened normalized him to get to the point where we are today? >> and briefly, you call out stephen miller dominated by those who explicitly repudiate america's premises, that there is something challenging in their challenges to the constitutional order itself. >> these are not conservatives. and they don't to their credit really claim to be conservatives.
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they are importing, these people who want to make america great again ethnoblood and soil right wingery. which is just not the founders version, it's the antithesis of the founder's version. therefore those who are sailing under the flag of make america great again are actually trying to make america into something it never was and shouldn't be. >> you make such an important point so rooted in history, like a lot of your arguments. that this was not a country built on heritage. and when it responds to its better angel, it's a country of laws and rules and unity. george will, as always, thanks for being here. >> glad to be with you. >> up next, i'm going to talk about a beat special report on vladimir putin from the man who once risked everything to confront him. i'll tell you more about it, straight ahead. when you have a cold
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did vladimir putin try to tip our election? and if so, did he use state owned banks to bribe americans? most of what we know about all of these questions tend to come from americans. from american investigators and from hearings and american journalists doggedly working the story. but what about the people who actually know vladimir putin best or even have tangled directly with him? tomorrow i have an exclusive interview with one of the foremost putin experts and critics, a man who literally risked his life to speak out against putin in russia and around the world. he eis a putin foe.
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and afterwards, rach rachel maddow will join me for a very special discussion on "the beat." i'm very excited to have her. that's tomorrow 6:00 p.m. eastern that is our show. i'll see you back here tomorrow 6:00 p.m. eastern with rachel and that story. "hardball" with chris matthews starts now. >> it's not my fault. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. donald trump is a big leader of a divided republican party that is clearly not big enough to govern. today he decided to send a message to his critics denying that fact. dogged by news reports that he sun raveling and unfit to serve, a defiant trump began this week by holding a 45-minute outdoor news conference. and during that thrown together event, the president tried to change the

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