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north korea and is pushing to unravel the nuclear agreement with iran. he wants something more. back to churchill. why is donald trump so relentlessly bent on starting fights? why is that where donald trump finds his only peace? that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> obamacare is finished. it's dead. >> trump world gives up the game. >> is going to blow that thing up. going to blow those exchanges up, right? >> as the president lashes out over his lack of achooinchts ie >> i'm not going to blame myself. i'll be honest. they're not getting the job done. >> and explains why he hasn't called the families of fallen soldiers. >> president obama and other presidents, most of them didn't make calls. then, new reporting on what the president says behind closed doors about people of faith. and the high stakes legal showdown over a subpoena for the president and the woman who says he groped her. >> all i can say is it's totally fake news. >> when "all in" starts right
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now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. over the weekend, we learned that the body of army sergeant la david johnson, the fourth u.s. service member killed in an am bushes in west africa had been returned to the united states on october 7th. that was the day that the president of the united states spent golfing at a club he owns in northern virginia before going to a republican fundraiser in north carolina to hobnob with wealthy donors. for 12 days after their death, the president said nothing. not one word about johnson or the three other special forces troops who were killed on october 4th on a patrol in niger where the u.s. is helping the government fight al qaeda-linked militants, and where the vast majority of americans likely did not know we have soldiers in harm's way. it's not that the president didn't have an opportunity to speak about them during the 12-day period. he found time to tweet about the stock market and espn commentator, hillary clinton, a book written by a daily caller
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editor, among other subjects. it was not until he was asked directly about them today the president finally acknowledged in public the four service members killed on his watch. and instead of paying tribute to them, he decided to lie about how his predecessors have acted under the same circumstances. this all happened during a chaotic press conference at the white house where the president and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell tried to put a happy face on their recent tensions. the president addressed a number of topics, including his latest obamacare sabotage, the situation in puerto rico where he once again appeared to blame residents for the crisis, and the ongoing nfl protests. >> when you go down and take a knee or any other way, you're sitting essentially for our great national anthem. you're disrespecting our flag, and you're disrespecting our country. >> in addition to that lecture on how to show proper respect for the country, this was how the president explained his failure to recognize the service members who died in service to
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that country. >> why haven't we heard anything from you so far about the soldiers that were killed in niger? >> i've written them personal letters. they've been sent or they're going out tonight. but they were during the weekend. i will at some point during the period of time call the parents and the families, because have i done that traditionally. i felt very, very badly about that. i always feel badly. it's the toughest calls i have to make are the calls where this happens. soldiers are killed. it's a very difficult thing. now, it gets to a point where, you know, you make four or five of them in one day. it's a very, very tough day. for me that's by far the toughest. >> the president went on to claim that none of his predecessors had reached out to the families of slain service members. >> the traditional way, if you look at president obama and other presidents, most of them
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didn't make calls. a lot of them didn't make calls. i like to call when it's appropriate, when i think i'm able to do it. they have made the ultimate sacrifice. so generally, i would say that i like to call. >> president obama's former deputy chief of staff elisa mast monaco responded on twitter that's an f'ing law. to say president obama or past presents didn't call the family members of soldiers killed in action, he is a deranged animal. before that, president george w. bush was known to meet privately with dozens of families of service members killed in iraq and afghanistan. in a follow-up question today, nbc's peter alexander challenged the president's claim. >> earlier you said president obama never called the families of fallen soldiers. how can you make that claim? >> i don't know if he did. no, no, no. i was told that he didn't often. and a lot of presidents don't. they write letters. other presidents did not call. they'd write letters.
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and some presidents didn't do anything. but i like the combination of -- i like when i can the combination of a call and also a letter. >> senator chris murphy is a democrat from connecticut. senator, your response to the comments by the president today. >> well, it's another in a long pattern of lies by this president. and i guess to the extent that this is very concerning to all of us. we think about the judgment calls of the president is about to have to make. he is going to be faced with a decision about what our footprint looks like in syria and iraq moving forward there are suggestions he is going to be putting thousands of additional troops into syria. we know about his stated enthusiasm for military engagement on the korean peninsula. and if this president is so casual about american losses overseas that he doesn't even mention the fact that four brave americans died in west africa, then what does that say about how casual he will be about putting other american troops in harm's way in other parts of the
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country? i hope he did write those letters. i hope he does call those family members in the coming days. he was wrong to try to make up this just awful lie that president obama didn't do that. but my concern is more about what it says about future decisions he'll make about putting soldiers in harm's way. >> or point of fact, current kinetic military taifd by this nation in places like niger were frankly, senator, i bet if he polled a thousand americans, 999 couldn't have told you that the u.s. had members of the armed service there's in harm's way in niger. what is going on there? what is striking to me, four americans were killed there, and what do we know about why we're there, what the strategy is, what the u.s. government is doing? >> well, listen, to be fair to president trump, this counterterrorism strategy of pushing special forces out wherever al qaeda was gaining
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strength dates to the bush and obama administrations. but you are right. there is -- and this is not me telling classified information. this is open reporting. the united states is spread far and wide with respect to our counterterrorism capabilities. and what the president didn't tell you in those remarks today is that he has actually passed the buck on many of these important calls that he talks about with respect to putting americans in situations where they might be killed to military leadership. these are calls that president obama made individually himself that president trump has openly bragged about handing to his military leadership, which quite frankly very often have a bent towards pressing the go button. so many of us have been very disturbed about this outsourcing of military responsibility and decision making the president has given to his military leadership. so it's not really fair for him to say that these are the toughest calls. he doesn't make these calls any longer. >> one of the other things the
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president talked about at length today, and i want to ask you, because i have you here and you've been very koch vocal on this topic is obamacare. he seemed to talk about destroying it at one point, saying there is no obamacare, and then saying the problems are all due to obamacare. i want you to take a listen to some of his comments and respond if you don't mind. take a listen. >> republicans are meeting with democrats because of what i did with the csr. because i cut off the gravy train. if i didn't cut the csrs that. >> wouldn't be meeting. they'd be having lunch and enjoying themselves. they're right now having emergency meetings to get a short-term fix of health care where premiums don't have to double and triple every year like they've been doing under obamacare. because obamacare is finished. it's dead. it's gone. it's no longer -- you shouldn't even mention. it's gone there is no such thing as obamacare anymore. >> what does that mean, senator? >> i have no idea what that means. well, first of all, the first piece of that sound bite is very clear. what he is telling you is he is intentionally trying to hurt
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americans, trying to drive the cost of their coverage up or ending their coverage in order to drive republicans and democrats to the negotiating table. first of all. that's ridiculous. second, he is kind of right that there is no clear part of the american health care system that is obamacare any longer, because the affordable care act is now wrapped inside of the american health care system. so when he thinks that he is sabotaging the affordable care act, or what he thinks is obamacare, he is really sabotaging the entire american health care system. when he pulls these cost sharing reduction payments for the insurance companies, it's not just that those people lose insurance or have their premiums go up. everybody else's premiums go up because the insurance companies spread it out to everybody else. i guess he is kind of right that he attacking the whole health care system and not just obamacare. >> thanks for your time tonight. >> thanks. >> i want to read you the white
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house response to the back and forth, particularly after your former colleague had that to say about the president. they say the president wasn't criticizing predecessors but stating a fact. when american heroes make the ultimate sacrifice, presidents pay their respects. sometimes they call. sometimes they send a letter. other times they have the opportunity to meet individuals in person. individuals claiming their bosses called each family of the fallen are mistaken. alissa never made that claim. what do you make of that? there. >> you have a statement from a white house official who says something quite a bit different than what president trump said today. and the truth is when you're the president of the united states, one of the things that you feel is a grave responsibility for the millions of americans who have signed up to serve and sacrifice for this country. and the thing that is painfully obvious about president trump's remarks today is he doesn't seem to understand, or at least feel the weight of the responsibility that he has as our commander in
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chief. if he just spent half of the time that he dedicates to trying to convince the flab he cares for our troops with actually caring for our troops, then our troops would be better off, and i think we'd all feel a lot better about president trump's capability and capacity to effectively and responsibly manage the united states military. >> it also just it seems to me there is a requirement to -- for an address on what they were doing, what the circumstances were under which they were killed. the whole -- the idea that the president who speaks about everything from which espn commentator should be sanctioned to who is going to run in 2020 to the dow. talk about everything and not talk about this, it's just a bizarre, bizarro mission in the first place. >> chris, you alluded to it in your conversation with senator murphy. the president has time and time again deem stlatd he is not
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really comfortable assuming the responsibility of making these life-and-death decisions that we're expecting our commander in chief to make. he has regularly put his generals in a position where if something goes south, they will take the blame. but if something goes well, then president trump is certainly the one that is eager to step forward and take all the credit. that's not what we expect from a leader. i was with president obama on a number of occasions which he paid his respects to fallen soldiers. and one example i can think of is when president obama used to go to arlington national cemetery on veterans day. one of the things that he would do after delivering his speech there and after laying a wreath at the tomb of the unknowned soldier, he would make an unannounced visit to section 60. this is the part of the cemetery where the remains of those -- essentially 9/11 generation veterans are laid to rest. and president obama would go there in private. he would often go with the first lady. i even got criticism and complaints from white house reporters who wanted to cover
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the president making that visit. and, chris, i use this example not to portray president obama as a martyr, but actually to portray, like president george w. bush, as somebody who felt the weight of responsibility that the commander in chief bears. and like i said, president trump doesn't behave in that way at all. >> i thought it what was interesting was the casualness with which this president characterized the actions of his predecessors. and he has gone to -- when a u.s. service member was killed in yemen in a raid very early in his tenure, i know that he was there. i know he has contacted an gone to walder reed. i was the contention he made today standing in front of the cameras as if everyone who came before him was very casual about the whole thing. >> yeah. i mean, this is sort of the latest iteration of what it is
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about him to try to defend something president trump has done that often is in itself indefensible. and to fail to acknowledge the enormous sacrifice that those four brave men made in africa is indefensible. and frankly, it would have been much better for president trump to say i regret i haven't said something publicly about this, or to be forthright and say look, i don't talk about this publicly, but the fact of the mattersy wrote them a letter last weekend. i doubt that fact. but -- >> he said it will probably be going out tonight, which i thought is a little bit of a tell, if you've had experience watching the president. josh earnest, good to have you. >> thank you, chris. lynn sweet's covered multiple presidents, the washington bureau chief of the chicago times. michael steele of formerly of the republican national committee. what are you saying? how did you react having been in many of those press conferences with many different presidents
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dealing with in this long period of war, the longest period of war in the nation's history, people talking about this. what was your reaction to it? >> i was there when he was telling this, this story. first of all, he is mailing a letter tonight. he is mailing it tomorrow. but then when he couldn't resist taking a jab at president obama, that's when i thought is there no situation, mr. president, where you cannot resist taking a jab at obama? we're talking about four soldiers killed in action. all that was asked is are you going to send some kind of condolences to these families. and as you and josh pointed out, all he had to say is i am. it isn't unreasonable to say i wanted to give them a little time, if that's what he wanted to do. but once he started doing these comparisons that he had no fact basis on, and i applaud nbc's peter alexander for getting in that follow-up question. because it was pretty chaotic at that press conference. >> yeah. >> to trump's credit, he took a
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lot of questions. and he didn't have it rigged as to who would ask questions. he could just yell it out, which i did, for a question i had. but peter asked the question in a perfect way, where he -- trump ended up saying he kind of knew, he didn't know. maybe someone told him. a general told him. he was disassembling. and i know you have gone through this a lot. and i know there is a lot of things where you talk about fact checks and the president. but on this one, chris, we're talking about people who -- soldiers who were killed, and giving some comfort to the families as the president of the united states, as the commander in chief. and this dissembling is something that struck me as something i had never, ever seen before. and something this serious. >> michael, your reaction. >> it's the same. it's stunning. it is inexcusable in many respects. i watch that as the president was going there.
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and something struck me was that he didn't -- he didn't want to get caught flatfooted with the answer i haven't responded. >> right. >> and that's what this was all about. >> that's right. >> he had not responded to these families. and probably, you know, someone came in and said you really do need to do this. and never thought he'd be asked about it. and when he was, he got caught flat-footed. so the default position was, well, obama, well, you know, he never did this. i'm the first president really to do this. and thus it begins. and that is the m.o. here when he gets caught, with that light on him, and he doesn't have the correct answer, which is the honest answer, i have not responded yet. he could have very easily said, you know, i wanted to give the family some time. this is bad enough pressure on them, et cetera, et cetera. but that was not the default for
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him. >> lynn, what did you make of that press conference more broadly? you just mentioned it was chaotic. and watching it at home, it seemed kind of bonkers. just lots of yelling out. and it seemed to kind of go off the rails. he seemed also to want to stay gallup as long as he could. mcconnell was kind of standing there square-jawed. what did you make of it? >> well, again. i applaud that the president stayed there for 40 minutes. chris, i came from chicago, city hall, a lot of yelling to get your question answered. and that's what we did, because the system wasn't rigged as to who was going to have questions asked. on that applauded. >> yeah, i like the victim too. >> but from the looks of the public, aside from the very serious question of not talking, his answer to the question about the families of the soldiers who were killed, we got a lot of topics covered. and there is time for follow-up. and mcconnell weighed in. and we went through a lot of stuff there.
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but, yes, it was more informal and maybe kind of reminiscent of the rough and tumble of how i came up. but he stood there and took it. and when you heard all that yelling, it's because we were assembled without chairs. i don't know if you had shots of how we were. you had to yell because there was no other way for him to figure out who he had a question. waving your hands. he didn't know who a lot of the people were. so he was pointing. and in that way, it was perhaps a good way where the press had a chance just to ask whatever they wanted of the president and have enough time to take in -- i would think if we went through it, at least 10 to 14 topics. >> michael, finely, one of the things, the juxtaposition today is the president talking about players kneeling for anthem. it sort of struck me this perfect juxtaposition of a lot of what has happened and the way this country thinks about war in the last 16 years.
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this abstraction of the flag and the troops. i understand at the same time there are four service members actually killed in a battle in a place that most americans couldn't tell you we were engaged. and that preference for the abstraction and the symbolism over the actual conversation over where the u.s. is fighting its wars. >> yeah. it is stunning the sort of dichotomy there, the two views of the same symbol, if you will. and in the fact that this administration with respect to those four servicemen, there may be very quiet operations on the ground there. we don't know what all of that is. and, okay, i guess that. but when you do have something that occurs like the death of these four soldiers, it does bring into stark relief exactly what that flag is all about. and more importantly, what our mission. and i think there is very little that people know than at this point. and that is equally disturbing for a lot of americans out
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there. the administration i think is still trying to figure its way out. the president, again, goes to the default conversation which is oh, kneeling before the flag is horrendous. >> tell us about fighting in niger. >> elevate that up to what are we doing in niger at the moment. >> tell us why we're fighting in niger. lynn sweet and michael steele, thank you for being here. >> thank you, chris. next in two hours during two events, president trump managed to take two different sides in the raging republican civil war. the ever widening gap between the trump promises and the trump presidency, in two minutes. the classes, the friends, the independence. and since we planned for it, that student debt is the one experience, i'm glad she'll miss when you have the right financial advisor, life can be brilliant. ameriprise
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we've been friends for a long time. we are probably now, despite what we read, we're probably now i think at least as far as i'm concerned closer than ever before. >> i want to underscore what the president said. we have the same agenda. we've been friends and acquaintances for a long time. we talk frequently. we don't give you a readout every time we have a conversation. but frequently we talk on the
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weekends. >> the president and senate majority leader pledged -- well, if not their undying affection, at least their acquaintanceship this afternoon. former chief strategist steve bannon declared, quote, a season of war against the gop establishment. just hours after the president all but took bannon's side. >> i have great relationships with actually many senators. but in particular, with most republican senators. but we're not getting the job done. and i'm not going to blame myself. i'll be honest. they are not getting the job done. >> today's rose garden event was an attempt to reboot a legislative agenda that has been by any standard a failure. over the weekend, peter baker wrote about the gap between donald trump and his actual policies. apparently the president did not enjoy baker's reporting, calling him out on twitter. quote, the failing "new york times" story by peter baker
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should have mentioned the rapid terminations of me of tpp and the paris accord. and peter baker joins me now. well, peter, someone said today eli stokols said the whole day felt like a rebuttal to the peter baker column. did you take it that way? >> no. i think he's got more things to think about than that. >> well, you'd be surprised. >> maybe so. he had a reaction to the story, and that's fine. it's fair. >> actually thought his tweet was perfectly reasonable and civil. i have no kind of problem with feedback if he wants to talk about it, i would talk about with it with him. the point is to look at big ticket items and how the talk is more expansive than the actual actions. sometimes it's because congress hasn't gone as far as he would like on health care, for instance. sometimes he is talked out of going further like on the iran deal. both of those things happened on friday. well talked a lot about those. that is what the story was focusing on.
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it wasn't meant to be a review of his entire recognize. >> one is the legislative agenda. i want to talk about that first. today is the goal is to come out hey, we're buddies. two hours later, i'm kind of with bannon in the civil war. but reality from everyone i know on the hill and the people that i talk to there and other reporters is that the white house and capitol hill are not at all in sync. >> no, they're not. and this is an attempt to show it obviously. but think about what we've seen in the last couple of weeks. two weeks ago we saw the secretary of state come out that he felt compelled to deny that he was going to resign. a week ago we had the white house staff come out and deny he was going to resign. today the senate majority leader come out and deny that he and the president of the same party are not friends. i mean, really seeing a lot of effort here to smooth over what's been a lot of destructive internal friction here within the white house, within the administration, and within the republican caucus. the fact that they're doing this in public does not mean that that friction has gone away there is obviously a lot of angst on the hill.
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a lot of republicans who don't know whether to believe what steve bannon said yesterday or whether to believe what president trump said today about where things are going in the next year, by the way, steve bannon was called for using the julius caesar metaphor. he called for a brutus to go after mitch mcconnell. that sort of literary appeal to assassination. i know he meant it metaphorically. when the president gets asked about id today, he says they're not getting the job done. and then comes out two hours later. that point you have to think the appearance of mcconnell is not fooling everyone. everyone on capitol hill watches what is going on. >> yeah. republican senators understand exactly what is happening. and look, they understand the civil war just like anybody. they're looking back at their own states. they're worrying about primaries. they're thinking about where they might be vulnerable. and, look, when bob corker comes out and says the things that he says, it's interesting that most of the other senators didn't necessarily come out. it's not that they don't agree with him. i think a lot of them do. even steve bannon said they do. they're afraid of saying it
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outloud. they don't want the civil war to erupt even further than it already is. they don't want to be luther strange. they don't want to lose a primary in their own state. >> it's is increasingly the archetypal dysfunctional family gathered at thanksgiving. thank you. >> thank you. the president gets pious in public and mox prayer behind closed doors. what the president has been saying about vice president pence behind his back, coming up. and if you want to see what was going on behind my back, we're live streaming from the studio all show, even through commercials. visit the show now and tell what's you think. aggressive styling, so you can break away from everyone else. the bold lexus is. experience amazing. so we know how to cover almost almoanything.hing even a swing set standoff.
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manifest lack of knowledge was at times so columns circumstances it was downright comical. >> 2 corinthians, 3:17. that's the whole ball game. that the one? is that the one you like? >> i'm wondering what one or two of your most favored bible verses are. >> i wouldn't want to get into it. because to me, that's very personal. the bible means a lot to me. but i don't want to get into specifics. >> when i drink my little wine, which is about the only wine i really drink and have my little cracker, i guess that's a form of asking for forgiveness. i do that as often as possible, because i feel cleansed, okay? >> it was evident to pretty much anyone paying attention that this profane lies the married seemingly biblical ill let rat candidate was not a religious guy. but four out of five evangelicals voted for him anyway. on friday the president became the first president to speak at the valley summit where he pandered to america's belief. >> american is a country of believers. and together we are strengthened
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and sustained by the power of prayer. in america we don't worship government. we worship god. [ cheering ] >> big applause. that's what president trump says publicly when he is in a room full of evangelicals. but what does he say privately when it comes to his evangelical vice president, his propensity for prayer? a new report in "new yorker" magazine has some amazing quotes that tell us how trump reportedly really feels, next. statins lower cholesterol,
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on friday, president trump cast himself as a pious man casting fealty to the power of prayer. but the new yorker citing a campaign staffer says behind closed doors trump had a habit of mocking mike pence's religiosity. when people met with people stopping by pence's office, he would ask them did mike make you pray? he needled the socially conservative pence over his hard line stances on abortion and homosexuality. when it turned towards gay rights trump motioned towards pence and said don't ask that guy, he wants to hang them all. saying it's filled with unsubstantiated claims that are untrue and offensive, though it did not dispute any of the specific claims. i am joined by ben how of red state. ben, there is just something so remarkable about the juxtaposition. we've been watch donald trump before talk about the power of prayer when i feel like we all know where this guy is in terms of his own personal devotion.
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>> well, you know, he has shown over and over again that he will shift based on whatever audience he is talking. to i've said before i feel like he is just selling trump stakes everywhere he goes. and i think that's basically what he does here. he comes up with techniques based on what he thinks is going to indicator to a particular audience. unfortunately a lot of evangelicals buy into it. they accept what he is saying as an accurate portrayal of his inner beliefs. i'm not going to pass judgment on his faith. if he says he is a christian, i'll believe it. but i will say a lot of people had a lot more distrust of barack obama saying he was a christian when he said he was when he showed far more of a christian attitude in his public speaking and how he dealt with people than donald trump ever has. >> here is my question about folks. religious evangelicals. there is two ways you can read this. one is folks know that the guy is not, you know -- he is not pious in the way they are. he doesn't have their value structure. he doesn't have their behavioral
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structure, their devotion. but look, that's the person we're in coalition with. there are certain things we want, whether it's supreme court justices. and this is simply a marriage of convenience. or there is also the idea that it works. that the sales job somehow works, despite what to me reads as just like obviously pandering condescension. >> well, look, i think that in some ways a lot of christians look at this as an alliance. they say they don't -- they're not really concerned about whether or not he is pious. he can say with a he wants to whenever he is giving a speech. and if he says something look li like, they'll cheer for that. the main thing is he going to put something on the supreme court that is going to be pro-life. what laws supported to gay marriage, things like that. i think that's really a doomed way of looking at things. if you're a christian, then you're supposed to believe that the right way to do things is to be a christian. th and if you align yourself with somebody who uses christianity as a tool to achieve his ends, i think that you're aligning yourself with
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exactly what you were warned about in the bible to be afraid of. >> you know, this quote about pence's prayer and the one about he wants to hang all the gay people, which is an offensive joke because it's offensive joke to joke about hanging people. >> yeah. >> and that's a gross joke. but it's also struck me as 805 to pence. it's a few of people's religiosity as essentially a punish line and ridiculous, that people that have the belief system that mike pence says he has are essentially like barbarian neanderthal rubes. >> well, he is playing the caricature. he is calling pence the caricature that a lot of christians reject. plenty of christians say look, we have our positions on homosexuality, or we have our positions on abortion. but we're not barbarians like you're saying. and he is essentially saying yes, you. and he is saying it to his own vice president. but what is interesting it's more of that -- you know you were just talking about this a moment ago. about how we can seattle. we can see how he is.
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in all of his interacts before he was president, when he was running for president, this man is a bully. he pushes people around. he pushes buttons. he says things that he he knows are going to be outlandish, and he does it to his own vice president. he is like a child in the white house poking fun at the vice president while there are serious issues he should be thinking about. >> ben howe, thanks for being with me tonight. >> thank you. still to come, president trump was served a subpoena for any documents from his campaign that relate to allegations of sexual misconduct. what happens next, ahead. and tonight's thing 1, thing 2 starts right after this. ♪
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who works for george bush. then the assistant secretary of public affairs who likes the president. and finally trump's own pick for labor secretary. occasionally west wing reads will highlight an actual news article which tend to be far more editorial and neutral. so it was a bit unusual when today's west wing reads started by siting the washington examiner economics reporter joseph waller. quote, corporate tax cut will provide huge boost to wages. if that quote seems unusually editorial for a beat reporter, even at a conservative paper, that's because it's not his quote. it's a headline and is missing three words of attribution, "white house study." that's thing 2 in 60 seconds. because each day she chooses to take the stairs. at work, at home... even on the escalator. that can be hard on her lower body, so now she does it with dr. scholl's orthotics. clinically proven to relieve and prevent foot, knee or lower back pain, by reducing the shock and stress that travel up her body with every step she takes.
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where the white house further expand. "the washington examiner's" joseph lawler reports president trump's goal of lowering the corporate tax freight 35% to 20% will translate into $4,000 to $9,000 in the pockets of hardworking americans. except that's not what lawler reported at all. his article doesn't say that a corporate tax cut will provide a huge boost to wages. it says that a white house study says a corporate tax cut will provide huge boost to wages. and while the article begins by saying president trump's goal of lowering the corporate tax rate will boost the average family's income by $4,000 to $9,000 each year, the rest of that sentence reads, "according to a new analysis released monday by his new economic adviser." which means the white house released a self-serving study and then tried to attribute its findings to a report they're wrote it up. we look forward next week to find out the west wing is just reading a string of donald trump's own tweets. s time to wa. wakey! wakey! rise and shine! oh my gosh! how are you?
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donald trump's campaign has been subpoenaed for records about the president's sexual harassment of women. a former contestant on "the apprentice" last year accused the president of kissing and groping her without her consent. he called the accusations lies, and zervos sued for defamation. the subpoena comes as part of that defamation suit. today the president was asked about the subpoena, and here was his response. >> all i can say is it's totally fake news. just fake. it's fake. it's made up stuff. and it's disgraceful what happens. but that happens in the world of politics. >> remember, he is not being sued over the sexual allegations themselves. he is being sued for calling a zervos a liar, which he essentially just did again. but what matter news is not so much the president's response for the microphones. it's the way he and his legal team respond in court. the subpoena is one that can't be ignored because it is not fake news. more than a dozen women have
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accused donald trump of assault and harassment. what lies ahead for president and the buzzfeed reporter who broke this story, next. ♪ ♪ you nervous? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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tried to push him away. i pushed his chest to put space between us and i said, come on, man, get real. he repeated my words back to me, get real as he began thrusting his genitals. >> that was summer zervos, a former apprentice contestant last year. she like a number of women came forward in which donald trump admitted sexually assaulting women. he called the allegations a lie and she sued for defamation. she has subpoenaed, quote, all documents from his campaign pertaining to any woman alleging that donald j. trump touched her inappropriately. the subpoena is going through the courts. news of the subpoena comes days after a series of horrifying stories alleging decades of sexual assault, harassment and rape by harvey weinstein. it's prompted widespread discussions of assault women face and in some cases the kinds of assault of which the
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president has been accused. jessica garrett has published this and, jessica, how serious is the legal threat here to the president and his campaign? >> i mean, i think that's the $64,000 question. she sued him for defamation. as part of that suit she filed a subpoena, her lawyers did, on his campaign seeking, as you said, all documents pertaining to any incident. and that subpoena did not initially appear in the court file because it was served own the trump campaign but it made its way in the file in september as part of wrangling over the suit itself. so i think the question -- you
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know, the trump campaign has until october 31st to file their response. at some point after that there will be a decision whether the suit goes forward. that's the point at which we'll find out whether this discovery is going to be turned over. >> there is some precedent here. paula jones suit was allowed to go forward during the clinton years. >> correct. >> which is important precedent. one of the connections here to weinstein is the way in which the response to the women is attacking them. in 2015 the first time the weinstein allegations became public and when the model mattress accused him. immediately you saw stories attempting to discredit her. she's made other allegations. it seems to me this is part. m.o. the threat of that is what kept weinstein's secrets for so long. >> absolutely. that's how the power dynamics
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work. they're not about sex, they're about power abuses. it wouldn't -- sexual harassment and sexual power abuses wouldn't happen if they didn't have the power to suppress, hire, fire, make or break the working lives of the women -- when we're talking about this in a professional context, that's one of the things that is in question as well as physical power. the fact that women are not believed, that they're shamed, that they're made out to be untrustworthy, crazy, vindictive, have axes to grind, that's part of the threat. and the fact that they should feel ashamed. all of these things are part of what works to make sexual harassment and assault possible. >> you had this incredible story that you wrote about, a small sort of window into the power that weinstein had in which you
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were a cub reporter basically and had a run in with him. >> i was a young reporter working on my first story. it was not an incidence of sexual power abuse. i interviewed him totally legitimately and he screamed at me, things i can't say on the air, you know, called me the c word and pushed me and just -- you know, screamed at me in public. i was there with a colleague. he took him out and put him in a headlock. it was an incredible -- >> in front of a ton of reporters. >> in front of a ton of reporters and photographers. though that incident was reported on, it was reported i was the aggressor. >> you were the crazy one. >> i was the crazy one, i burst into his party. no pictures were published. he was a powerful man. >> the way the president dealt
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with this, these women are lying. he threatened a lawsuit which is another tactic that we've seen used very effectively. he threatened to sue "the new york times." that was never borne out. >> correct. and i think, you know, it's interesting because another story that we did this weekend was to go back and talk to many of the women. >> great piece by the way. >> who came forward, thank you, after trump. almost to a person they said, i'm really happy to see that mr. weinstein's been fired, but i can't help feel a little bitter sweet about it because, you know, nobody believed us or not enough people believed us. and i think that a lot -- i think a lot of people thought that was a very poignant reaction. one woman even told us, maybe if i had been a celebrity they would have believed me. >> there's a similar -- oh. >> go ahead. >> it reminds me of a story that i believe was in pro publica who spoke about arnold
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schwarzenegger's groping them. that's one of the things that's so painful about this moment and that i worry about with the weinstein outrage. you and i sat at this table a year ago. there was outrage about what donald trump did. kelly oxford had that twitter hashtag where women named their first sexual assault or sexual abuses that they experienced. there was tremendous outrage. it was a traumatic event. a male senator told me he had no idea his wife had been harassed or groped. we had what should have been the educational moment of mass reaction. >> great point. >> and we had an opportunity there. there was a mechanism by which donald trump could have not been elected president, but he was. and i think that that -- and it's strange because he lost the vote, right? 3 million more people voted for his opponent, and yet he's still the president and it contributes to this feeling of these powerful forces at work against
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which you have no power to fight. >> i should note there is another moment melissa mel llano started this me, too, hashtag. particularly men should check out that hashtag. it's extremely upsetting and also eye opening about how profoundly ubiquitous this is. that is "all in" for this evening. the "rachel maddow show" starts now. >> thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. david hackworth served four tours in vietnam. before that he did hard combat in the korean war as well. he was a commander of an army raider's unit in the war. he got a battlefield commission in the korean war. that means they made him an officer in the field in the middle of the fight. he became the youngest u.s. captain in the entire korean war after he got that battlefield commission. he was 20 years old when he be


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