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bipartisan deal had been reached to keep funding those insurance companies that the president cut just days ago in an effort to undermine obamacare. but the president does want to remind everyone that his ultimate goal is to end obamacare all together. >> lamar has been working very, very hard with the democratic -- his colleagues on the other side, and patty murray is one of them in particular. and they are coming up and they are fairly close to a short-term solution. the solution will be for about a year or two years. and it will get us over this intermediate hump because we have -- as you probably know we either have the votes or are very close to having the votes and we will get the votes. >> let's get right to it. we start at the white house with kristen welker. and garrett haake is on capitol hill with us. garrett i want to start with you because it seems a lot of the action has unfold there had around the policy lunches with senators. and both parties behind closed
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doors learn being the contours of the deal. what do we know about what this looks like? and how big of a deal is this particular step? how far does it still have to go? >> it's got a long way to go, casey. we are starting to get an idea of the details. first and foremost the big part of the deal here is to funds, by congress -- so you know an actual appropriation to pay for the csr payments for the next two years. that's the top line. that's what democrats wanted most. and a number of provisions that will hopefully make republicans happy and more likely to sign on on this. they want to expand to older people the independence could of folks that can buy catastrophic plans that had previously only been available to younger folks. they want to increase the states abilities to waive out of insuran. this is a deal to make a deal. it is an agreement within one
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committee. there are a lot of deals that have to be worked out. then the senator has to decide they are definitely going to to do it. then the house has to agree. and then you have got to sell it to the president who didn't come right out and say this is something he would sign. we are still a long way from any deal becoming law but i just talked to angus king the independent senator from maine who said this is bigtime frog and this is the way things should be done up here in the u.s. senate. >> what's your sense of whether democrats or republicans are happier with how this has shaken out here? some is my democratic sources are pointing to things here and saying, hey, republicans actually caved in and made these restrictions less restrictive, so to speak. who is happier here? >> i get the sense that the democrats are definitely happier here. look, i mean republicans started this year saying repeal and replace was supposed to be on the president's desk in march. now it's october and they are no
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closer and now they are coming up with a deal to keep obamacare healthy for a longer period of time. democrats i think to get anything done when you are in the minority to preserve something that you care so deeply about feels like a victory regardless. republicans are in an interesting pot here caught between wanting to keep their promises and not wanting to be blamed for essentially doing this halfway and breaking obamacare without a plan to pick it or replace it with something better. the general consensus thus far seems to be democrats are happier about this but there is a danger of sort of dancing before they get into the end zone here because again nothing has actually passed anywhere yet. >> kristen, on that point i want to ask you, four democrats that seem to be happy with this extension -- for democrats that seem to be happy with this extension, where does the president stapp on this, he seemed to indicate in the rose garden today this is something he may be open to. but mark short suggests they may
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want to see some changes. what is your sense? >> there are mixed messages coming out of the house. but the president recently in the rose garden said and seemed to signal he would support this compromise. as garrett points out there are still a lot of steps that have to take place before it actually gets to his desk. of course it comes after we have heard the president essentially take very sharp aim at obamacare. and remember last week he signed those two executive orders effectively gutting parts of obamacare and stripping these key csr payments, these subsidies that we are talking about that would be restored as a part this compromise. there is a school of thought that the president made those two executive orders for the purpose of bringing democrats and republicans to the table to strike some type of a compromise. the president, i would note, casey in his answer in the rose garden today stressed that he supports a short therm measure. so not something that's going to essentially last for years and years. he said look this is going to be a year or two. now that gets you through the
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mid terms. of course this comes after he has taken repeated and very sharp aim at obamacare. take a listen to what he had to say. >> obamacare is a disaster. it's virtually dead. as far as i'm concerned it really is dead. i predicted that a long time ago. it is a consent that doesn't work. and we are very close. we feel we have the votes. and as soon as we are finished with taxes, john, we really feel we have the votes to get block grants into the states where the states can much better manage this money and much better take care of the people rather than the federal government. the state block grants, we'll do massive block grants into the various states so that the states can run the program. >> of course you heard the president say we have the vote for block grants. not clear that that is actually true. president trump yesterday when he was in the rose garden in the impromptu news conference i asked him if he now essentially owns health care, if it is trump
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care at this point. he said i don't think so. not ready to sort of shoulder the entire burdenen but you could argue yes he is making the case obamacare is virtually dead. he has taken a number of steps to effectively try to make sure it's not functioning. >> i agree that is the key question here. at what point does this president start owning the health care issue in the minds of voters across the country. kristen welker, garrett haake thank you for your time today. >> he we will spend a little bit more time talking about all of this with annie carney, who covers the white house for politico. and aaron blake, senior political reporter for the "washington post." aaron, i want to start with you and pick up on what kristen was talking about. you spend a lot of time over at the fix looking at the numbers on all of this. where do you think the americans are right now as far as -- do you think -- as chuck todd used the phrase pottery barn rule, has president trump broken in
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and therefore bought the health care system yet? >> i think if you ask the majority this is going to break down along the lines of pretty much everything else we've seen in the trump administration. which is that 55 to 60% will say it's trump's fault if this goes downhill, if obamacare ends up tanking. but that's not the percentage president trump cares about. so far we have little indication that those people will actually blame him for anything that happens. if anything, they will blame the law being -- >> still with his teflon group. >> they will blame the law being faulty and if congress doesn't pass anything they will blame congress, which is also something president trump has been doing in his own right. >> annie carney i wanted to ask you about the personality drama that's been going on between president trump and mitch mcconnell, and oftentimes with chuck and nancy as he calls them. yesterday we saw the awkward news conference where mccome
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stood in the background of the president. and today we have a deal struck by alexander and murray. it seems like team schumer is happier about. is there another instance where democrats are coming out ahead of congressional republicans? >> i think that what this shows is that trump just wants a deal to announce on obamacare. this has never been an issue that he gets into the weeds about. he endorsed three or four different plans at this point. he just wants something to say he ended obamacare. he doesn't care where it comes from. and to your point about the personality feuds, trump always seems to understand things in personal teams. it's mitch mcconnell, it's chuck schumer. it's not the senate. it's not the institutions. and that's how he kind of knows how to relate. we have seen it today with his most recent fight with john mccain. it's always a personal battle for him. again, he switches sides -- after the original chuck and nancy deal there was speculation, is president trump
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really a democrat? i think the answer to that is no. but he wants to make a deal where he can. >> annie, you referenced that fight with john mccain. i actually spoke to him a little bit earlier on capitol hill today about their back and forth. mccain of course gave a speech last night, did not name the president but questioned the nationalist foreign policy, and then of course the president was also on the radio questioning mccain this morning. that's what i talked to him about. take a look. you didn't use president trump's name in those remarks. >> there is no reason to. it is a system that's broken. it is the system that's not working. he's the elected president of the united states. i respect that. and i want to work with him where he can. i don't comment on what the president says. i comment on what he does. and i will say that i have -- i have faced some pretty tough adversaries in the paz. i'm not interested in
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confronting the president. i'm interested in working with the president. >> aaron blake, is this an argument that you think helps the president here, picking a fight with john mccain? i mean he seems to have done it many times before, to great criticism. and yet with very little consequence. >> if you look back at the 2016 campaign, i think the moment that trump realized he was teflon with the republican party base was the moment he attacked john mccain being a war hero and not paying much of a price for it. john mccain still arises some of those passions in the republican party base that he is not a true conservative, doesn't necessarily have conservative ideals at heart. trump exploited that and used it to provoke and rally the base. i don't think that's necessarily going to stop. i think the people who chose to be with trump in the first place are going to continue to be with
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him no matter what he does or says about mccain. >> this coming as next week is the 50th anniversary of mccain's plane going down. annie, he clearly has felt free to speak his mind and to frankly take actions that buck his party in a way that maybe he wouldn't have a couple years ago. >> he certainly is free. and we are seeing different senators kind of using their freedom in different ways. compare mccain's interview with you that you just played to senator bob corker's remarks where he did go after trump personally and caused a firestorm last week or over the weekend. >> hard to keep track. >> mccain -- doesn't want to get -- sorry? >> i just said it's hard to keep up these days. go ahead. >> yeah. but mccain saying he doesn't want to get in a personal back and forth, he just wants to work with the president. but we are seeing, in different ways, republican senators who
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have some freedom for some reason or another starting to really buck the president. and the question is, will those senators that are up for re-election and planning to stay in the senate come out and speak and join these guys? >> politico.com's annie carney and with the "washington post," aaron blake. thank you both so much for taking the time. i appreciate it. >> thank you. now, to the latest in the russia investigations. the senate intelligence committee has now subpoenaed documents and testimony from president trump's former adviser carter page. a source tells nbc news the committee expects page to invoke
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i will tell you, he felt compelled -- he feels very strong about the opioid problem and the drug problem, which is a worldwide problem, but it's a problem that we have. and tom marino said i will take a pass. i have no choice, i will take a pass. i want to do it. he didn't want to have each the perception of a conflict of interest with drug companies. >> right. >> about the same time on capitol hill deputy attorney general rod rosenstein introduced two indictments involving opioid abuse, both involved chinese nationals and an alleged fentanyl trafficking ring that brought the opioid to
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american streets. joining me, commissioner of u.s. customs and border protection from 2014 to 2017. i want to start with the big picture from this story from 60 minutes and the "washington post." what struck you about this story. also, when you were serving in this role, can you explain how this change that congress made would have affected maw you were able to do your job. >> the job is really designed to align all of the vast resources of the federal government to support the president's national drug control strategy. when i took office in '09, inc. i don't think you could count on one hand the number of articles about opioids. it just was not something that the public was aware of. i think what struck me the most was how dedicated, how forceful
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joe rans sees is, i worked with him i know him. >> he ran the d.e.a.'s division that was spoebl for drug addiction. >> exactly. when we are talking about opioids this suspect a drug being smuggled across the border, it's being prescribed by physicians and ever inning oftentimes right here in the united states. >> do you think this is really at the ends of the day that the epidemic that the united states is experiencing, i mean, is it -- does the responsibility lie with the drug companies? >> i think it's multiple facetted. when i looked at it and saw how complex it was, it wasn't like heroin being smuggled across the border. it was much more like doctors who really didn't have an awareness or education about this. it was pain clinics that were springing up. the pharmaceutical industry overselling the drugs and essentially admitting that these drugs aren't addictive when in fact the evidence shows that they are addictive. >> and this story i mean
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essentially balks through millions of -- $100 million plus will beying on the part of the drug industry -- lobbying object the part the drug industry. >> if you were in front of congress and saying we were going to reduce fines it wouldn't take notice. this is different because it's about administrative rules and regulations. it's not about taking someone to court and finding them guilty of a criminal offense. it is an administrative process not a criminal offense. that's probably why given the amount of work that congress did it's probably why it didn't get much attention. >> is that also where president obama signed it without much notice? >> i don't think anybody -- i read a number of quotes from a number of members of congress and i have great respect for senator manchin in west virgi a virginiaia, a state that has been really impacted by this
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drug, and he said, you know, we just didn't notice that this would have an impact. again, if somebody said let's reduce the penalty for drag trafficking that gets a lot of attention. an administrative change to a rule, probably not as much. >> uh-huh. i want to ask you we havely about -- we touched on it in the read, that these are fentanyl indictments. what's the difference in how the country needs to approach fighting fentanyl? that's something that's clearly coming in illegally oftentimes or is that an issue that also is with the drug manufacturers that are here as well? >> it's much more about being produced illegally. oftentimes the drug itself or the precursors come from china. they go into mexico. and then it is smuggled across the border either in cars or people carrying it on their bodies. and it's such a small amount of fentanyl to produce the kind of addiction that is required. the other problem of course is that a lot of fentanyl comes in through your mail system.
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international mail. because it doesn't take much to a make a huge profit with fentanyl. >> even that is incredibly physically dangerous because of the nature of the substance. >> very dangerous. >> sir thank you for being with us today, former drug czar under president obama, we appreciate it. now to another crisis. this week marks one month since hurricane maria pummelled puerto rico and the u.s. virgin islands. the epa is still testing wells to make sure that the water is safe to drink. right now 72% of puerto rico has water service, and only 15% of the island has power. puerto rico's governor ricardo row cello has set a goal to get 95% of the power restored to the island by december 15th. we are working on getting ahold of the puerto rican governor but communication there is of course very difficult. if we can get him on the phone we will bring that straight to you in just a few minutes. firefighters in northern california continue to gain
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ground on the deadly blazes that so far have annihilated 200,000 acres and killed at least 41 people. the four largest fires are now more than 50% contained with the nearly 53,000 acres fire almost 70% contained. even though many evacuation orders have been lifted there are about 30,000 people still waiting to return to their homes. winds are weakening and the temperature is getting cooler. that's giving officials a little bit of optimism that the progress is continuing. and rain is expected later in the week which will be a welcome relief from what have been very dry conditions. we are thinking of all of the people who lost their homes out there. now i want to go to some breaking news. the president's latest version of the travel ban has been struck down. the third version was set to go into effect tomorrow and it would have barred travellers from eight countries from entry to the united states. a federal judge in hawaii has ruled that travellers from syria, libya, iran, yemen, chad, and somalia can temporarily
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enter the use. those valving from north korea and venezuela are still banned. the white house has yet to respond to this latest ruling but will likely appeal setting up yet another legal fight. up next, liberated after months of battle, u.s. backed fighters in syria reclaim the isis stronghold of raqqah. how significant of a victory is this? after the break. rom. i did my ancestrydna and i couldn't wait to get my pie chart. the most shocking result was that i'm 26% native american. i had no idea. just to know this is what i'm made of, this is where my ancestors came from. and i absolutely want to know more about my native american heritage. it's opened up a whole new world for me. discover the story only your dna can tell. order your kit now at ancestrydna.com.
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as promised, we have puerto rico's governor, ricardo rowsio on the phone with us. governor, thank you for taking the time out of what i'm sure is as abouty and really difficult period for you. you have set a pretty ambitious goal for restoring power to the islands. are you getting the help that you need right now to do that? >> yes. well, first of all thank you for the opportunity. and for the thoughts and prayers. yes, we are working on a very ambitious schedule so that we can restore energy in puerto rico. now, i'm working on two paths. the first one is to make sure that we can restore energy and puerto rico. and the second one is that we can rebuild much better and stronger than before. and give the people of puerto rico a better electrical grid. so right now as it stands within the next two to two and a half weeks we expect to grau drupel our brigades here, boots on the
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ground. and the effort is already ongoing. so right now it's working. buy of course we are going to need support and avoid bureaucratic missteps along the way. >> governor, i want to ask you about the medical situation as well. obviously so many respecidents having trouble getting drugs, keeping some drugs cold, insulin for example. >> yep. >> many of your hospitals struggling with generators, et cetera. there is a hospital ship though parked offshort, the comfort, that it seems does not have the beds filled that could be. what is the problem that you are pacing there? and what do you need officials here in the u.s. to be doing to help? >> well, the problem originally was the protocol. the protocol was established so that the comfort would only serve essentially as last resort hospital for people. you know, we have several of our hospitals working.
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our main hospital as well. but, you know, when you see the capabilities that the comfort has, it is important that we maximize the use for the people of puerto rico and not only use it as a last resort. a couple of days ago i -- you know, i started seeing that those numbers were not climbing. and i ordered a change of protocol. so now we are working through the hub hospitals, which we have seven in puerto rico so they can communicate directly with the comfort and with the centro m i medico. just yesterday it received about 14 patients, and today at this juncture we have 25 more patients that are going in. of course patients are air lifted or have to go through the boat. it is not parked of the it's actually moving across the island but it is encouraging to see that we are finally starting
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to get more important use or better use of this for the people of puerto rico. >> governor, walk me through the challenges as far as making sure that your residents have the drinking water that they need. are you concerned about people, these reports of people breaking into wells that are potentially contaminated, about long-term health risks? i mean, what needs to be done on that front? >> well, we are working to the with our aqueducts and sewers authority with epa, with the health department to make sure that those super fund sites are not available for people. there are some wells, however, that epa has their sights on. they are examining them periodically. and they see if they clear the clear water act objectives. so those are able to be used. today, you know, there was a report that some people were
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taking water out of a well in doral. the epa is there making sure that the water is accessible. there was some confusion between two wells. both of them were in the same township. so that's probably why it happened. one of the wells is closed. the other one is open. it's working. it kpleers the clear water act objective. but certainly it is always a concern to have people, you know, be taking access to water that is not clean and that could be damaging to their health. so we are -- you know, we set a couple of standards of course in terms of clear water, boiling it, using the pills to provide potable water access and avoid, you know, taking a bath in -- near the shorelines or in some of the rivers because they might have -- you know, they might be contaminated. >> some difficult warnings there
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from governor ricardo row sayo of puerto rico. cyril let you get back to attending to all the people there. god speed and thank you very much. >> thank you so much. the city that isis used as a capital in syria has fallen. the spokesman for the u.s.-led coalition says raqqah was a major hub for recruitment and planning this. view on your screen from the sky shows just how devastated the area is right now. a u.s. spokesman says u.s. led coalition forces are now searching for lands mines and pockets of sleeper cells that are hiding throughout the city they believe. the military says there are about 100 islamic state fighters still hiding out. for more on all of this nbc's hans nichols joins me now from the pentagon. hans, put into context what this means taking back the city. i mean is isis essentially getting pushed out of sort of its odd nation state status back into an insurgency or what's
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going on? >> they are losing territory and men. the fall of raqqah is significant. strategically, it was a recruiting hub, and also psychologically and symbolically. it was their self-declared capital. now that it's close to falling. officials are telling us that there is about 10% left that isis still controls. yesterday they controlled 15%. it's falling concludely. it's going to hurt recruiting. the number of foreign fighters entering their caliphate all but stopped to a trickle. you are seeing in each of these cities that have fallen that isis did control is you are seeing fighters surrendering. in the last 96 hours some 350 isis fighters surrendered. you compare that to what happened in mosul. it was a fight to the death. mosul took place it started about a year ago, it fell over the summer.
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the battle for raqqah has been taking place about four months. every city seems to be falling a little bit faster. one thing they haven't figured out here at the pentagon or the state department or even the white house is what happens next. you have seen the tensions in iraq where isis is all but kicked out. they control about 2% of the population in iraq. you now have u.s. allies, coalition forces with sdf up there in syria. but in iraq you have the kurds and the iraqis now potentially squaring off. that was gunfire 48 hours ago. that's great deal of concern. in syria it's perhaps even more complicated because you have the russians and the regime forces coming up. yeah. i'll throw it back to you. >> hans nichols at the point thank you very much for taking us through a lot of geography and a lot of complicated factors there. thank you so much, hans. and coming up, a look at a new wave of democratic starting grassroots campaigns and running in critical districts motivated by their anger with trump's presidency. and what they are viewing as
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all eyes are turning to virginia, just three weeks out from their gubernatorial election. democrats across the country they're saying they hope this will be a moratorium on the
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election. a number of democrats running for office in the commonwealth say they feel left behind by main stream democrats. >> the good news for the democratic party is there's no denying that there's a tsunami of energy after the election of donald trump, democrats determined to do something and for a record number of them, they became first-time politicians, running for office. but running as a democrat doesn't mean it's a one size fits all group. take a listen. >> reporter: not far from donald trump's winery in virginia in a district where he crushed hillary clinton, he's the first democrat to run since 2009. >> i wasn't contingres content and complain about the democrats. >> it was trial by fire when a voter said he couldn't back any
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democrat because of nancy pelosi. >> so to win you have to separate yourself from the big d democrats? >> pretty much, but to be fair, that's true of a lot of places in the country, except maybe new york and california. >> reporter: pregnant with twins and a public defender when she decided to run for the virginia house too. what was it that motivated you? >> i was very pissed off. >> last night i congratulated trump and told him i look forward to work with him on behalf of our country. >> reporter: but the democratic party isn't run for a diverse group of people that's asking for groups. >> if our interests are going to be protected, if our ideals are going to be promoted, we have to be part of the conversation and that's not happening. >> that's how parties in the past looks for candidates, they
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look for people who can raise money, and that means old white dudes. >> reporter: on the day donald trump became president. she thought it was time to run. >> we thought it would be small, we would get maybe 100 people who want to run in the first year, in the first nine months, we have had more than 11,000 young people across the country sign up. >> reporter: and it's just one in a series of new grass roots organizations, backing an unprecedented surge of democratic candidates, running in places where democratic leadership long ago abandoned because of complacency. no one recruited kellen squire, but he's talking to anyone who will listen. >> you can't focus group your way out of this one. people don't want someone who
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agrees with them 100%, they want someone who will at least listen to them and appreciate them. >> so these races will be watched very closely, and of course there's always governor's races in virginia and new jersey. the legislative races tend to go to the democrats. people will be watching very closely to see what happens this time. at least the factors on the ground would seem to be with the democrats, but we all saw what happened the last time there was a big election. >> reporter: that's for sure. chris, do you get the sense that the democrats you talked to, i mean are they optimistic it be the democratic party being able to get it together with a local nominee can win the election? >> it's not what you see the actual national party doing, but more about what they feel on the ground, in their neighborhoods and their communities, that these people are energized to do
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something. then you have these groups that run for people like indivisible. and they hope to channel that energy. i think they're watching to see how the democratic party responds to be what they consider to be the real heart of the party, the part of the party that they think the democrats left behind when donald trump got elected. so i would say, they're not like throwing out the baby with the bath water, but they're watching very carefully and saying, look, you're going to have to listen and understand what's going on or you're going to find yourself in the same position you were when hillary clinton lost. >> with have seen plenty of sparring between republicans and democrats on policy and rhetoric. even within just the last hour. today there's even a message of unity coming out of delaware where former vice president joe biden and john kasich talked
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about the -- >> do you know that people actually do nice things and good things because it's the right thing to do? and its so hard for people to understand it. >> joining me now is the managing director at mercury, and he was governor kasich's senior advisor through kasich's run for governor. can you explain to me why governor kasich -- it doesn't seem if the republican party has a constituency left. everybody seems too angry for that. >> i'm not sure that's correct. i think both parties are going through civil war. the republicans are going through a civil war and democrats also. i think what happened with biden and kasich, we don't know what
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the goals of the democratic party are going to be in the last five to seven years, they're trying to return to being a party that gets things done. it's kind of a dichotomy in people's minds, what they're trying to say is let's get together, let's work it out and let's try to find some solutions that we can all live with and try to make people's lives better. >> joe, i think we have a sound bite from joe biden about the changes we have seen in our political discourse over the last few years and the impact that has had. let's take a look and talk about it. >> we saw the beginning of the demise of the nature of the discourse when the gingrich revolution started to occur. when on the floor of the united states senate, a senator would refer to a sitting president as bubba. fred, when someone -- forget democrat, republican, when
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someone would yell at the state of the union, liar. the destruction of these norms and it's generating chaos. >> what's your view of president trump's contribution to what biden was just talking about there? >> i think the level of discourse has gotten far worse very quickly. they talked about going back to the 80s with the bourque hearings, which some people say this is the genesis of what's happened. people say we have to talk to each other to get things done or the party's going to get blown up. if they're not able to talk to each other, that's going to be a problem. if the republican party which is the ruling coalition right now, i think they can get democrats to come together on some of these issues, but they've got to paint a picture of why people's lives are going to get better. but democrats have to come on board and that's what republicans have not been able to do yet. >> governor kasich talked a
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little bit about health care and that impact. let's look at that and then again we'll chat about it. >> why did democrats go out of the window on health care? well, because if you don't stand behind obamacare, bernie and the boys will come and get you. and if you're a republican and you try to cross the base of the republican party, they come get you in a primary. see, the whole system is po polaizing and a manifestation of what happens over time. >> he didn't say too that the media has a role here, we get our media from conservative media and democrat media and that's also lending itself to it too. so everyone needs to look in the mirror and say we have got a role to play in fixing this. >> former adviser to governor kasich and during his presidential campaign. thank you for taking the time, i really appreciate it. the dow industrial average
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hit yet another record high today, breaking 23,000 for the first time ever. take a look at the big board, this comes just six weeks after the index broke 22,000 back in august. here's the closing bell, closing above 23,000, it will be the fourth fastest 1,000-point increase in the index' 134-year history. that does it for me this hour, be sure to check out sundays at 7:00 eastern for k.c.d.c. right here on msnbc. thanks for watching. deadline white house with nicole wallace starts right now. hi, everyone, it's 4:00 in more new york, i started this show one day by saying the bottom was calling, it wanted to know if we were there yet, on day two on how his spread -- the call to families of the men and women who give their lives to protect america, it feels

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