tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC October 17, 2017 5:00pm-6:00pm PDT
"all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> i've never been more outraged at anything in my life. everyone should be outraged. >> an opioid epidemic bombshell. >> as far as tom marino, so he was a very early supporter of mine. >> tonight as trump's pick for drug czar pulls out -- >> the opioid crisis is an emergency. >> how the president who promised to help solve the opioid crisis could be making it worse. >> what about declaring a written national emergency? >> then -- >> obamacare's finished, it's dead, it's gone. >> the new bipartisan fix for obamaca obamacare sabotage. plus john mccain -- >> people have to be careful because at some point i fight back. >> and the man who says he was recruited to collude with the russians talks to robert mueller. >> russia is fake news. >> when "all in" starts right now.
good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. the president's nominee for drug czar is out. after an investigation by "60 minutes" and "the washington post" uncovered his role in fueling the deadly opioid crisis. the president chose>> were congressman tom marino from pennsylvania to lead the office of national drug control policy at a time when drug overdoses are the leading cause of death for americans under 50. according to that investigation by "60 minutes" and the post, marino pushed a bill through congress written by the pharmaceutical industry that prevented federal officials from cracking down on drug distributors at the very height of the crisis. to the dea agent in charge of monitoring those prescription drugs, it was an outrage. >> i just don't understand why congress would pass a bill that strips us of our authority in the height of an opioid epidemic. in places like congressman marino's district.
why are these people sponsoring bills when people in their backyards are dying from drugs that are coming from the same people that these bills are protecting? >> after that story broke, the president said he'd take another look at marino's nomination. >> so he was a very early supporter of mine, the great state of pennsylvania. he's a great guy. i did see the report. we're going to look into the report. we're going to take it very seriously. >> this morning, rep tom a marino informed me he's withdrawing his name from consideration as drug czar. nominating marino in the first place exemplifies the president's broader approach to the epidemic of opioid overdose deaths which killed roughly 64,000 americans last year alone. more americans dead in one year than over the course of the entire vietnam war. during his campaign the president portrayed himself as a champion for the communities devastated by this crisis, many white, rural, and working class. on a post-lex call with the
president of mexico, a transcript of which was leaked to "the washington post," the president claimed "i won new hampshire because new hampshire is a drug-infested den." since taking office he's put no real effort into curbing the staggering rate of overdoses in this country. after launching a commission on the opioid crisis headed up by new jersey governor chris christie, months later, the president held a meeting about the commission at his new jersey golf course during his summer vacation when christie was out of the country. the first lady and jared kushner, however, were present. the president was asked why he had declined to take up the commission's main recommendation that he officially declare the crisis a national emergency, unlocking funding for a federal response. >> the opioid crisis is an emergency and i'm saying officially right now, it is an emergency, it's a national emergency, we're going to spend a lot of time, a lot of effort, and a lot of money on the opioid
crisis. we're going to draw it up and make it a national emergency. >> august 10th, we're going to draw it up. now, 68 days later, according to our count, the president has yet to draw anything up. he has still not made an official declaration. in the meantime, hundreds, more likely thousands, more americans have died. the president said yesterday he plans to act soon. >> we're going to have a major announcement, probably next week, on the drug crisis and on the opioid massive problem. and i want to get that absolutely right. this country -- and frankly, the world -- has a drug problem. the world has a drug problem, but we have and it we're going to do something about it. >> meanwhile his health and human services contrary was forced to resign over a private jet scandal. the head of the drug enforcement agency decided to leave citing his dismay and frustration with the president's administration. and the president's pick for drug czar, congressman marino, was revealed to have been in league with the very drug companies that stoked the
crisis. leonard bernstein as health and medicine reporter for "the washington post," one of the report hoarse broke that story. congratulations on great reporting. >> thank you. >> what was more rarino's role congress in this piece of legislation and what did the legislation do? >> marino carried the bill through the house. it took him about two years. and it's important to point out his version was even worse. it was even tougher on the dea than the one that passed. the compromise version that went through the senate. so his role was in shepherding this legislation through the house, holding the hearings. and we do know from e-mails that we obtained that this bill was partially crafted by an industry lawyer, a drug industry lawyer. >> just to be clear, you've got these distributors, there's only about three companies that make up 85% of the market, they're the middle men so to speak. there are millions of pills going out. and the dea at a certain point saying action wait a second, there's federal law saying if this is going to dodgy circumstances or what you think
are pain mills or fraudulent purposes, you've got to obey federal law and not just ship it out no questions asked. they start impounding them. the pharma distributes do an end run around the dea and go to congress. >> i couldn't put it better. there are billions of opioids in circulation legally in this country. hundreds of millions of them spill out of legitimate supply chain and end up in the hands of users and dealers. when the dea cracked down on those wholesale distributors that big three that you mentioned, they got very unhappy. and they didn't like that law and they went to congress and got that law changed. >> i want to be clear. marino was a key, perhaps one of the most key figures in this. but there are very fwoou few good guise on capitol hill in this story. passed by a voice vote, signed by president obama. you've got ex-obama officials like jamie gore lick, wilmer hale, at did you want of justice, who goes to be a lawyer for the drug distributors when
they're fighting this law? >> she did, she went to a law firm, wilmer hale, where she represented cardinal, one of the big three distributors. i think that as you said, nobody has covered themselves in glory here. we still have questions. the dea says it was steamrolled by senator hatch's office. senator hatch's office said, nonsense, the dea collaborated with us and compromised on the language. the justice department has been more or less silent about its role. we don't really know what president obama knew when he signed the bill. so the end result has not been great for the american public and i think that's why everyone is so outraged. and it's sort of hard to find someone other than joe rannazissi, who blew the whistle, who turned out to be a good guy. >> the whistle-blower, important point, he says, these weren't corporate ceos they'd be looking at jail time. if they were on the corner in urban communities across this country, we'd look at them as dealers. >> many people have said, not
just joe, but other people have said, when are we going to actually arrest a corporate executive in connection with the opioid crisis? that would send a message that a lot of people think would chill the neglectful release of these opioids into the black market. >> lenny bernstein, great reporting, thank you for it. >> thank you for having me. >> senator maggie hassen, democrat from new hampshire, cosponsoring legislation to repeal tom marino's law reining in the dea. first your reaction to marino withdrawing his name? >> i think -- first of all, thanks for having me on. i think it's important for everybody just to start by taking a step back here and realizing that we are losing hundreds if not thousands of people a day in the united states to this opioid crisis. in large part because we have seen literally millions of opioid pills flooding our country. sometimes literally millions more pills than there are people
in a particular region where a shipment of opioids is sent. and so as we confront this crisis, i am very concerned that the trump administration would have nominated representative marino in the first place. somebody with significant ties to the pharmaceutical industry. i'm encouraged and glad that he withdrew his name from consideration. but at the end of the day, this administration, every now and then, seems to pay attention to this crisis. an epidemic that is costing us lives every day. but then really doesn't follow up with any action. and we know that we have a great deal to do on the prevention, treatment, and recovery side of things. on the law enforcement side of things. we know we need more resources on the front lines. and is absolutely essential that the administration give us a nominee who is qualified, who doesn't have connections to the pharmaceutical industry, and who is really interested in focusing on this problem and helping us
save lives. >> to that point, i mean, i find myself astounded that there are 60,000 americans dying a year. there are more americans dying from opioids right now than car crashes and from guns. it has become the leading cause of death for many age categories and in many communities. and basically washington is doing nothing. and when they're doing nothing, when they're not doing nothing they're doing things that could possibly make it worse. i just don't understand how you don't run through the halls of the senate every day pounding on the marble. >> i have been pushing as hard as i can in committees and everywhere else i can think of to insist that we stay focused on the nature of this epidemic. to point out just what you did, which we are losing thousands of people a year to this epidemic. and frankly, if this were another kind of epidemic that didn't bring with it the stigma of addiction, i think we would be focused more on what we know
we can do to stop this. we know what we need to do, there have been recommendations -- when i was a governor, the national governors association came together, put bipartisan recommendations on a sheet of paper, began to work at the state level -- >> nothing happens. >> and at the state level we did things like medicaid expansion, began to get more treatment. but in washington, what we are seeing from this president is the appointment of a commission. the commission gives interim recommendations. and then there's no follow-through. we see the president say back in august, weeks ago, that he wanted to declare a national emergency. and i'm very interested in what kind of emergency he would declare and what resources that would help us marshal. and then he doesn't follow through on it. then he nominates somebody who clearly is not qualified to take on the industry the way it needs to be dealt with here. and again, doesn't have nominees for health and human services or for permanent leadership at the dea at a time when it desperately needs it.
so i'll continue to push. i continue to be incredibly grateful not people of my state who have stood up and talked about the nature of this terrible disease, the loved ones they have lost, and the possibility of getting better at building a better future. that's what we should be focused on. and that is why this lack of action by the administration is so concerning. >> final quick question. has anyone from the white house been in contact with you about this problem? >> not recently, no. and it's very concerning. >> senator maggie hassen, thanks for being here tonight. >> thank you very much, chris. charlie sykes, "how the right lost its mind." christina greer, associate professor of political science at fordham university. i'm galled by the fact that the white house does not seem to care. the president talked about it on the campaign trail. he attributes his primary win in new hampshire from the bleeped phone call. and they have this commission, they appoint this guy who is in the pocket of big pharma. and nothing.
>> yeah, absolutely nothing. which is really odd. because you have to give him credit for raising the issue during the campaign. but i want to comment, though, that in the last two week wet have really seen the transformative power of good journalism. with this story. the fact that they uncovered something that nobody in congress, democrats or republicans, seemed to know what was going on. so what you're seeing here is not just the inaction of the trump administration. you are really seeing the swamp in action. when you think about how this legislation went through that nobody raised a flare about this, over $100 million in lobbying. this whole culture in washington where you have industries, including bad actors like some of these pharmaceutical companies having a veto power over this legislation. i mean, this really opens the door to how this happened. this opioid crisis didn't just happen. it is a manmade crisis. but what we learned over the
weekend about the legislative process, both democrats and republicans, is pretty horrific. >> and yet, i mean, this was the drain the swamp idea. scott pruett, epa, says he's going to outsource more to the industry that's polluting. he has marino, the guy hoe chooses, it was so revealing, he's asked yesterday about marino, he says, the first thing, what is the first thing? he knows the issues well. he was an early supporter of mine. it was a tip-off of what this is about. >> there are a few things we have to discuss. one, this president is so incompetent and has absolutely no idea what's going. that's one. two -- >> if you said to him, what are the top-line recommendations of your opioid commission, do you think he could answer? >> he would not. obama went across the country for a fuel year answering questions about anything and everything in the health care bill. donald trump can't do more than five minutes of superlatives. everything's great, kids don't do drugs. that's beyond nancy reagan --
>> literally, he basically said that at the commission meeting. >> kids, don't start, don't do it. we have to remind the american public, one, we have the power as american citizens to get rid of these members of congress who are not doing their jobs. the framers have set it up so that we could ostensibly get rid of all 435 members of the house -- >> every two years. >> if we want, to and one-third of the senators. if we're unhappy and look at people in our state not doing their jobs, we can vote them out of office. >> it appears marino's going to keep his seat in congress. >> of course. >> part of it too here is the dynamic like, i've watched this president tweet about 100 times or talk about whether players take the knee during an anthem, right? and it's like, that's the kind thing when you program your presidency like a talk radio show, that's going to keep the phone boards lit up. but there's nothing in it. there's no red meat in the opioid crisis, there's no -- it's a complicated, sad, bad story that needs serious
policy-making and what's striking to me is it's not something he's spending a lot of ra torial energy on because it doesn't afford him the opportunity to beat the stuffing out of some villain. >> yeah. it doesn't match that narrative, it doesn't play the cull wa-- c wars. you're talking about an epidemic that kills 60,000 americans. the question is not just, again, why the president is not talking about this on a regular basis. it's, how did the federal government actually make it harder to solve this problem? i'm not trying to shift away from donald trump, i agree, donald trump is so disconnected with policy, so uninterested in policy. the way that he basically has done this is to say, the opioid issue won me new hampshire, look how many votes i got, and therefore you go through the motions. the virtual motions. but you're absolutely right, he's not tweeting about it. he's not tweeting about a lot of things that are actually affecting people's lives. like the wildfires in the state of california. but this one, and i do think you
raise the question, where is the outrage? in congress? where is the outrage about a crisis that is killing this many americans, and no one is doing anything about it? >> but i think it's really complicated for this president, because he is also trying to get rid of medicaid. and medicaid is the system that is actually helping a lot of people get off of this -- >> it's covering a lot of people. although the capacity is though where near what's needed. >> nowhere near what's needed but he's trying to strip it to nothing. no mental health services, no physical health services. this is a situation where this president can't also blame mexicans as rapists, can't blame muslims and isis. this is actually a much more complicated problem. and he can't race bait with this one. >> i should say this as a final note, at the meetings he's had about this, he keeps talking about the border wall. but it's like the calls coming from inside the house with
american pharmaceutical companies putting billions of pills and he wants to build a border wall to stop it. ahead, late word tonight that sean spicer spent part of his monday with the mueller investigation. next, minutes after the president declared obamacare dead, he found out on live tv there was a bipartisan fix to save it. we'll show you how that went along in two minutes. reat camerd more power. and more than just unlimited data, we give you unlimited plans with hbo included for life. because you deserve more entertainment. and more spokespeople. talking like this, saying the word more. at&t. it's time for more. am i too close? i feel like i'm too close. get the iphone 8 and with all at&t unlimited plans, get hbo for life. only from at&t.
obamacare is a disaster. it's virtually dead as far as i'm concerned, it really is dead. and i predicted that a long time ago. it's a concept that doesn't work. obamacare is everything but dead. the people aren't going to take it. >> president trump once again today pronouncing the aca dead, tweeting a few hours ago, any increase in obamacare premiums is the fault of the democrats
for big us a "product" that never had a chance of working. what he neglected to mention was his own recent decision to unilaterally, by himself, cut subsidies for lower-income obamacare enrollees, a decision
that is raising premiums nationwide. just one example, according to philly.com, 2018 premiums jumping 23% more than expected in pennsylvania. a jump that the acting insurance commissioner in the state attributed to the president's actions. in contrast, democratic senator patty murray and republican senator lamar alexander today announced a preliminary deal to restore those subsidies if they can get the votes in congress. it's the kind of bipartisan deal the president reportedly had been urging senator alexander to hammer out in a call this weekend. when news broke about the deal the president first appeared to support it as a "short-term solution." afterwards, the white house declared they couldn't accept the current deal. then the president pivoted once again just moments ago, commending the deal, painting it not as a bipartisan compromise but as a republican triumph. >> i'm pleased that democrats are finally responding to my call for them to take responsibility for their obamacare disaster. and work with republicans to provide much-needed relief to
the american people. while i commend the bipartisan work done by senators alexander and murray, and i do commend it, i continue to believe congress must find a solution to the obamacare mess, instead of providing bailouts to insurance companies. >> are you confused? you're not alone. the confusion isn't surprising. the president has sabotaged obamacare for months while failing to deliver on his own health care promises. the president's efforts to undermine the wall are what helped inspire alexander and murray in the first place. >> chairman alexander and i were able to find common ground on a number of steps to stabilize the markets. and to help protect families from premium spikes as a result of the sabotage we have seen from this administration. >> democratic senator tammy duckworth of illinois says the president's actions on health care are hurting american families and she joins me now. senator, let me start with the deal or tentative deal announced by alexander and murray. i've seen general enthusiasm
from democrats. john mccain tweeted in support. do you support it? >> i do support it. most importantly, it undouse du -- undoes a lot of the sabotage the president has freed to wreak on our health care system. from everything i've seen it looks good. >> do you have any faith or confidence that mcconnell will move this through, the president would sign it, that you could possibly ameliorate the sabotage as you called it from the white house? >> i certainly hope so. you know, senator mcconnell i'm sure played a part in senator alexander walking away from the negotiation table when we got into the last health care fight. for him to be back in negotiating with patty murray is a sign that perhaps we're going to be able to have a shot at. really the people across illinois and this country desperately need this deal so they can make sure they can continue to afford their health insurance. >> what do you say if the president says, look, this is exactly how it worked, i cut the
csrs, i forced congress to negotiate, and i made this happen. >> well, what i have to say is, he's done everything to sabotage health care in this country. to include cutting the budget for the office that signs people up for health care. he certainly hasn't changed any of those actions. the people who made this deal happen were lamar alexander and patty murray and they're the ones who should get the full benefits of any type of accolade that is happen. let's make sure we get this thing passed and signed first. we still have to get this passed in the senate and the house without sabotage the white house can pull. >> i wanted to ask you about news yesterday and today, about the president's reaction to the four slain service members in niger. the president hadn't spoken about them publicly. he was forced to yesterday. he kind of casually mentioned that previous presidents didn't call of family of those killed
in action. today the white house on a sort of offensive that barack obama never called john kelly when his son was killed in action, i believe in 2010, in afghanistan. as someone who is a veteran yourself, what do you make of this? >> the president casually says all sorts of things that are not true. i was there in 2009 when president obama visited section 60 at arlington national cemetery and personally embraced the families of our fallen heroes there at arlington. he was back multiple times. he called, he met with, he certainly remained in contact through multiple channels with families of the fallen. there's only one person here a who has a record of using gold star families as political ploys, and that's donald trump. >> do you think that the nation is owed a further explanation of what exactly the circumstances were under which those four green berets were killed? >> certainly.
i think what happened with those four special forces troops is a great example of the fact that americans don't even know where our troops are around the world right now. if you talk to americans just a month ago, most of them would probably not know that we have troops in niger, that we have troops in djibouti, troops around the world who every day sacrifice and protect and defend our nation on foreign soil. yet we don't know where these folks are. and to have the president of the united states use the deaths of these heroes for political gain is simply unacceptable. >> senator tammy duckworth, thanks for joining me. >> thank you. tonight, why the white house is stonewalling house investigators on their own use of personal e-mail. and late developments in the russia investigations. these stories ahead. or your digestion... so why wouldn't you take something for the most important part of you... your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish,
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special counsel robert mueller has reportedly interviewed a figure who may be key to unraveling the collusion side of the russia investigation and that is what bears out, has to do with a strange story reported in "the wall street journal." you may remember this, about a gop operative named peter smith who sought clinton e-mails, presumably the ones she deleted, from hackers before the election. he also sought help from a cyber security expert named matt tate who was so alarmed by the scheme he came out with his side of the story after it was all over, provocatively entitled "the time i got recruited to collude with the russians." tate wrote that smith "never expressed any discomfort with the possibility e-mails he was seeking were potentially from a russian front, a likelihood he was happy to acknowledge. if they were genuine they'd hurt clinton's chances and therefore help trump." tate has talked to mueller, according to "business insider,"
the first confirmation mueller is following this particular and peculiar thread of the story. there's news on the obstruction of justice side of the investigation as well. former white house press secretary sean spicer met with mueller's team for much of today according to politico, grilled about the firing of james comey. msnbc intelligence analyst, former federal prosecutor renato. i've been intrigued by this smith smith story. strange for many reasons. after smith basically talked to a reporter he committed suicide a few weeks later. and it was an effort, a very clear effort, to try to get those deleted e-mails from russian hackers. there's a question about how related it is to the campaign. what is the significance of tate being interviewed by muler? >> it tells us a couple of things. first of all, it tells us that mueller is interested in this whole line of inquiry. so mueller is not interviewing tate because he has something to say about obstruction of justice, regarding the comey
firing, or what happened in trump tower. tate specifically knows about this specific set of facts. and you know, if you read that story, one piece of it i thought was very interesting is where he talks about this nonprofit that was set up with a number -- with the names of many bigwigs in the trump camp, including kellyanne conway and manafort and others, that was set up to sort of disguise the campaign's involvement with this information. i suspect that mueller is interested in finding out what tate knew about that, what smith told tate before he mysteriously passed away. and, you know, i would expect that mueller is going to be following up when he questions some of those other individuals. >> naveed, what's going on here is this -- i think one of the things we've gotten to in the investigation is the idea of cutouts. so if anyone was doing anything,
sort of hand in glove, it was being done through sort of plausibly deniable, quasi third parties. is that your understanding of where we are in the investigation now? >> i think that's exactly right. whether it was the folks who met with john doctor or gusi fer who spoke to roger stone allegedly or people speaking to peter smith offering a dangle, opposition research, information that's detrimental to hillary clinton what you're seeing is exactly that, the sort of targeting using cutouts. using people that if they are traced, if they are identified, are very difficult to trace exactly back to the kremlin. even though a layperson can look at this and say, it's likely this was a directed action. but that's the point. whether this is illegal or not, what you are seeing here on the national security side is much more, not dotted lines, but solid lines, tracing back to the kremlin. >> there's another person that mueller's team has talked to, i want to ask about him, keith kellogg, interim national security adviser after michael
flynn was fired. he was i believe a kind of -- played a role as a deputy to flynn himself. what do you make of that? >> certainly i think that mueller's going to be interested in whatever flynn told him. but also i think that we already know from other reports that mueller is interested in flynn's firing. in the circumstances around it. not because that was meant to obstruct mueller's investigation -- excuse me, the fbi investigation in the way that the comey firing was. but because i imagine that mueller is interested in hearing what everyone had to say about what flynn knew and what the downsides were of firing flynn. flynn knew where the bodies were buried potentially and his knowledge and what he has to say could potentially be useful given that mueller appears to be going after flynn. >> i haven't, naveed, talked to you since nbc broke the story about paul manafort, nba chair.
we knew manafort had been in business with oleg deripaska, we knew he sent an e-mail to oleg deripaska saying has oleg seen this? can we be made whole? nbc uncovered 30 million more dollars that changed hands between these two men. someone who worked in counter intelligence what crosses your mind when you see that? >> motive? i don't know any more simple way to put it. it is true. when counter intelligence -- there's four pillars of motivation that are the cornerstone of specialize, money, ideology, core, ego. money always plays a role, it's the easiest way to get people to do what you want them to do. unfortunately for a lot of these players, there's a trail when you start dealing with money at that level. >> as a prosecutor that story on oleg deripaska, nbc news reporting on manafort what did you make of it? >> i can verify that a prosecutor would look at it in a similar way in terms of motive. certainly it provides motive for
manafort to be offering private briefings that we heard about, that manafort allegedly offered the same on the ground la gaurk in an e-mail. why would the chair of a presidential campaign in the united states give special access to a russian ol la gaurk? we have 30 million dlashl reasons why. >> the way i sort of think of where we are right now, you've got all these -- revealed these moments of the two sides, if you think of them, the trump campaign and russians or russian-affiliated agents or actors or those aligned with the kremlin feeling each other out. e-mails, approaches, dangles. and there's this question of, is that where it got? it sort of stopped there and everyone thought, i kind of see what you're doing, you kind of see what i'm doing? or whether we got further? is that sort of where we're at, naveed? >> i think that's right. i think, chris, there's a lot of act there's we know about, but there very well may be some that we don't. peter smith is a perfect example of that. look, it's very clear the russians were up to their
eyeballs in trying to do something here. they did it with facebook, with twitter. that doesn't mean they didn't target individuals for recruitment, it doesn't mean they hadn't targeted people well before the election that we're seeing pop their heads up. >> thank you very much. still to come, what senator john mccain said that earned him rousing applause and the warning president trump issued in response. many people are saying "thing 1, thing 2" is next. (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything
"thing 1" tonight, it's one of president trump's favorite fixes. . >> we're going to reduce taxes tremendously because we have the highest tax rate anywhere in the world. we're the highest taxed major country anywhere in the world by far. we're the highest-taxed nation in the developed world. highest-taxed nation in the world. highest-taxed nation in the world.
we're the highest-taxed nation in the world. i think in the undeveloped world too. highest-taxed nation. highest-taxed nation. but i have to be very accurate with these people. because they'll start claiming all sorts of things. >> right, because that's not at all in any way, shape or form true, not true, demonstrably false. pointed out as chem straels false so often you'd think the president would stop saying it at some point. may the last year, politifact was already writing headlines like, "for the third time, donald trump, the u.s. is not the highest-taxed nation in the world." one reporter from scripps was ready for it this afternoon. >> they've repeatedly says said we're the highest-taxed nation in the world. when that's been seen as objectively false, how with the credibility you need to pass tax reform -- >> the president did respond. do you think his response was a true thing or a false thing? that's "thing 2" in 60 seconds.
the president was finally called to account today for constantly repeating his false claim the u.s. is the highest-taxed nation in the world. >> some people say it differently. and they'll say we're the highest developed nation taxed in the world -- >> why don't you say that it way? >> because a lot of people know exactly what i'm talking about. in many cases they think i'm right when i say the highest. as far as i'm concerned, i think we're really essentially the highest. but if you'd like to add the developed nation, you can say that too. but a lot of people agree that the way i'm saying it is exactly correct. thank you very much. >> so first off, nope. despite having a high corporate tax rate, at least on the books, the u.s. is actually among the lowest-taxed developed nations, per the oecd, in fact almost the lowest-taxed nation. the president has his own concept of truth. the question isn't whether he's right, it's whether many people are saying it. >> you know what's important? millions of people agree with me when i say that.
if you would have looked on one of the other networks and all the people that were calling in, they're saying, we agree with mr. trump. they're very smart people. >> do you think that talking about millions of illegal votes is dangerous to this country? >> no, not at all. >> presenting the evidence -- >> not at all, many people file the same way that i do. experience the comedy, not your commute. dial star-star-audible on your smartphone to start listening today. when you think of saving money, what comes to mind? your next getaway? connecting with family and friends? a big night out? or maybe your everyday shopping. whatever it is, aarp member advantages can help save you time and money along the way. so when you get there, you can enjoy it all the more. for less. surround yourself with savings at aarpadvantages.com
to fear the world we have organized and led for three-quarters of a century, to abandon the ideals we have advanced around the globe, to refuse the obligations of international leadership and our duty to remain the last, best hope of earth, for the sake of some half-baked, spurious nationalism cooked up by people who would rather find scapegoats than solve problems -- [ applause ] >> blistering speech from senator john mccain last night after he was awarded the national constitution center's liberty medal calling out many of the current administration's policies and some of their supporters. the ones who march with tiki
torches. >> we live in a land made of ideals. not blood and soil. we are the custodians of those ideals at home. and their champion abroad. >> blood andabroad. >> blood and soil there. not once did the arizona republican mention the republican by name, the president was quick to take exception during a radio interview. . >> the president of the united states talking about fighting back against an 81-year-old diagnosed with possibly terminal brain cancer, senator mccain's response to mr. trump next.
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mr. trump said on the radio, i heard and people have to be careful, because at some point i fight back, at some point i fight back, it won't be pretty, talking about you. >> i don't comment on what the president says. i comment on what he does. and i will say that i have, i have faced some pretty tough adversaries in the past. i'm not interested in confronting the president. i'm interested in working with the president. >> senator mccain managed to side step donald trump's comments, hard to ignore the frustration the president has shown for the republican senate as he continues to blame and sometimes berate lawmakers in
his own party for his own failing agenda, that's a sentiment shared. jennifer reuben, columnist of the new york post has been following the fractured state of the gop. joining me now, jennifer, this sort of idea their that bannon and others have is that the agenda stalled and the reason is the establishment and mitch mcconnell and the incumbents in the republican senate. i want to play what you bannon said about mcdonnell which is almost comical over the weekend him take a listen. >> mitch, i don't know if you are watching it, i don't know if you are watching valued voters. up on capitol hill, because i have been getting calls, it's like before the ides of march. right. the only question, this is an analogy or metaphor, they're looking to find out who is going to be brut us to your july us
cease sar. >> like most high schools in america, he's read julius caesar, mcconnell and the incumbents in the senate, they're the ones to pla im? >> well, there is a truth to that. that is that none of them have a health care plan that they were able to come up with as a reasonable alternative to obamacare. they are floundering around. there is a mid-icum of truth t. most noble senate could not possibly work with a president like this who is in a space of 24 hours, changes his mind in something as fundamental as obamacare is dead, i want to kill it to, oh, alexander and murray seem to have come up with a great compromise. >> i think they were on three different positions just on that particular issue today and to me, the key moment here, michelle, the roy moore moment. i think people are losing sight.
>> of how wild he is. because so much is wild right now. right? >> that was i think it scared the white house, because they put their chips behind luther australian him. i think everyone in the gop is, oh, we can't control any of this, this is what our voters want. >> i also think it's created an illusion that steve bannon is controlling all this. >> steve bannon is not the reason roy moore won. >> he tried to unseat paul ripe, i'm certainly no fan of paul ryan. i think the challenger lost at 68 points somplt the idea that steve bannon is going to single handedly unmake the senate or remake the naat is ridiculous. the other this inc. >> it's the voters. i want to be clear. it's not bannon and his two-shirted swagger. it's the voters. >> it will be in some districts. they will rebel and in other districts, they won't. alabama is pretty spec.
i think what's happening is the republicans are reaping decades of lying to people. you know, they've lied to people about obamacare. they've lied to people about the way the economy works. they've lied to people about basically every facet of american governance, so now people, rightfully, don't understand well, now you are in office. why haven't you fixed it. why haven't you enacted all these policies that you told us will fix everything. they have never in as much as they've existed, they have been fantastical from they're fighting, they're trying to slash the corporate tax rate right now. that's the perfect like give away on the con. you have all this power. you could, whatever you want to do, you can control the government. whatever you want to do, heck, go try to build a wall, if that's what you want to do? no, they're focused like a laser on slashing the tax rate. >> it's a direct gift to donald
trump and inherent members of the cabinet, that one is a classic. i do think this is reaping the whirlwind. i think a lot has to do with this nonsense that they have perpetrate thad the problems of white rural and white you are been america are traceable to foreigners, whether they're immigrants, whether they're trade partners and this whole theory of trade is complete utter nonsense, so now they have an expectation, gosh, few round up all illegal aliens, get rid of them, times will be good again. so it's this false premise and demons they've created. now they're stuck with the problem what are you going to do? >> i think there will be nor roy moores, you have kelly moore telling you jeff flake in arizona, she has a shot. >> i think she has more than a show. i would be shocked if she didn't prevail. although then i think the democrats have a chance to pick up the seats. it's sump chaos and it's not
even chaos that's graspable on ideological lines. right? it's all kind of aspects and clusters of resentment and hatred. >> that's why you have michael rim, staten island excon and roy moore, mr. ten commandments on the same sort of bannon wing of this thing. thanks for joining us tonight. >> that is at all in." the rachel maddow show starts right now. >> a busy news today, there may, may, possibly be a plan to undo the damage the president tried to inflict last week on the nation's health care system. you will recall the president last week announced a policy change that, a, would cost taxpayers about $200 billion. b, it would cost a million americans to lose their health insurance coverage, c it would raise health insurance costs, it was expec