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epidemic and the campaign, itself. the festival will take place here in washington, d.c., on november the 13th. tickets are on sale now. go to nbcnews.com/mtpfilm. i'm very excited. i hope we go from here to becoming a great marketplace for some of the great political biopics and ideas that is all in your minds out there. anyway, that's all we have for tonight. back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." "the beat" starts with ari melber. i missed our handoff yesterday. i saved the baton for you, man. i don't like doing batons on tape. >> you mised the handoff because i had technical difficulties on the road. i missed you, too, chuck. i'll see you soon. we begin our show tonight with incredible political news. the past two presidents of the united states denouncing trumpism today in speeches that were not coordinated but could have been. tonight president obama returning to the campaign trail for the first time since last year. this was just a few moments ago.
>> but what we can ha't have ise same old politics of division that we have seen so many times before that dates back centuries. we are rejecting a politics of division. we are rejecting a politics of fear. that we are embarrassing embracing a politics that says everybody counts. a politics that says everybody deserves a chance. a politics that says everybody has dignity and worth. a politics of hope. that's what you're fighting for. >> he's back. division and fear. the reference there. clearly building on obama's past criticism of donald trump. but i got to tell you, the more thorough takedown on trumpism came from a truly unusual address today by president
george w. bush. he was speak bing at the bush institute in new york. president bush never used trump's name and never had to because he roundly smashed every dark impulse associated with trumpism right now. i can tell you tonight a source is telling msnbc's nicolle wallace bush knew his comments would be viewed as criticism of trump and he wrote this speech, himself. to get a sense of just how thorough bush was today, we here at "the beat" combed through each issue to then report out this video for you of bush's concerns and donald trump's record. >> we've seen our discourse degraded by casual cruelty. >> when you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a patty wagon, you just see them thrown in, rough, i said, please don't be too nice. >> disagreement escalates into dehumanization. >> ought to see this guy, i don't remember what i said. i don't remember. >> our politics seems more vulnerable to conspiracy theories and outright
fabrication. >> president obama and other presidents, most of them didn't make calls. >> bigotry seems emboldened. >> i think there's blame on both sides. and i have no doubt about it and you don't have any doubt about it, either. >> the russian government has made a project of turning americans against each other. >> it's very hard to say who did the hacking. could have been china, could have been a lot of different group. >> our democracy needs a media that is transparent, accurate and fair. >> all i can say is it's totally fake news, just fake. it's fake. >> as drake would say, what's that, facts? now, whatever you may have thought about president bush when he was in office, the contrast here to the current president could not be clearer tonight. and you think back to other periods when we've been tested. not by remarks or choices of our president, but tested by those who would murder us and end us. it was six days after 9/11 that george bush went and decided to visit a mosque in washington. to gather americans together.
and he delivered a powerful message against the bigotry he derided today and against anti-muslim sentiment. >> america counts millions of muslims amongst our citizens. those who feel like they intimidate our fellow citizens to take out their anger, they don't represent the best of the america, they represent the worst of humankind. it's a great country because we share the same values of respect and dignity and human worth. >> we share values with our fellow citizens, regardless of what they believe or if they believe. that was the message from the last republican president. the current white house occupant obviously offering something else entirely. on a week where after complaining about so-called patriotism offenses in the nfl, he has been openly warring with gold star families. president bush and obama rarely speak out like this. let alone on the same day, let alone with the same core
message. so if you are keeping score tonight at home, that's 43 and 44, together that's a whole lot more than 45. i'm joined now by senior vice president for social justice at the news school and bill kristol, founder and editor at large of "the weekly standard" and former bush administration official. maya, what was the power of what we saw? >> well, it's as you said, ari, what's so powerful about this is the fact we have two presidents sort of saying to trump, a president who actually went and questioned an fbi investigation into something that had been debunked actually years ago, which was the issue of whether or not there had been any kind of collusion with russia because of an oil deal, right, the uranium deal. he's just constantly raising issues that suggest either the fbi cannot be trusted, or a previous administration cannot be trusted, after his attorney general actually in testimony before congress wouldn't even answer the question about
whether or not they had had a discussion about the fbi director's firing, which is something significantly more important, frankly, than any of the distractions that we've seen from trump's tweets lately. >> right. and distractions is the nicest way to put it. bill, you've spoken out before about the things that go well beyond distractions. i want to play a little more from president george w. bush today. there's been an anti-bullying campaign, there's talk about tolerance. as we just showed. that is something that what everyone thinks of policy, this former president bush did seem to care about in office and cares about today. take a listen. >> our young people need positive role models. bullying and prejudice in our public life sets a national tone. provides permission for cruelty and bigotry. and compromises the moral education of children. >> bill, your view, the same question, the power of all this today. >> i think george w. bush, his audience was, intends his
audience to be republicans basically who voted for him twice, who respect him and we're now hearing from the former president that they voted for and respect, some basic rules of what a decent politics looks like and he doesn't name donald trump. he lets his viewers and the people who read the speech put it together for themselves. i really hope, actually, republicans listen to george w. bush. other people have tried to say this. people who were defeated, john mccain, mitt romney, come to mind. maybe it will be just be dismissed. will be dismissed by the trump diehards, who cares about bush, he's the past, trump is the present. there are a lot of reluctant trump supporters. i talked to so many of them. reluctant trump voters. they rationalize a lot of what trump does. don't really come to grips with the damage he's doing to democratic norms, democratic institutions, civility, virtue if you want to use an old-fashioned term. for them, bush may have some effect on them. >> your analysis makes sense to me. there's also the audience of one, a small club of presidents.
you worked for a president and a white house, and a vice president, and had those, you know, secret and private discussions a lot of us are never privy to. my sense, though, is that they do care a lot more about the former occupants of the office even beyond party than others. we know about the tradition of not doing named criticism. i want to play for you president trump's named references to one of his predecessors, who he seems to think about a lot. take a listen. >> barack obama when he was president found out about this in terms of if it were russia. he did nothing about it. what about race relations in the united states? now, i have to say they were pretty bad under barack obama, that i can tell you. wiretap covers a lot of different things. by the way, just a question, did president obama ever come to a jamboree? >> that last one being as, just bizarre, bill. >> unbelievable. look, it's one thing if you're running as the republican
nominee when president obama is the democratic president. obviously you're calling for a change in policies, you're entitled to criticize his policies, link hillary clinton to barack obama, whatever. what's most telling as president of the united states, the rule has been pretty faithfully followed by presidents of both parties for a long time not to criticize your predecessor, maybe to criticize him if it's necessary from a policy point of view to lay the groundwork for a new policy. not a gratuitous attack like the one you showed of donald trump at the boy scouts, can you believe it, at the boy scout jamboree, the one this week, trump feeling defensive because he could have called the families or written notes earlier to the families of the soldiers who were killed in niger. tries to deflect his own responsibility. instead of giving a simple answ answer, well, president obama didn't do it right either and stuff. it's astonishing to see that. i wonder if that -- obviously bush had been working on the speech for a while. i wonder if that might have been a straw that sort of strengthened former president bush's resolve to try to say, wait a second, you really want to preserve the dignity of the office, respect for your
predecessors, a sense of tradition and bipartisanship. not, you know, i'm now president, i'm now going to attack everyone who went before me. that is really what a third-world country looks like. you take over, my country, my administration, my government, we trash everyone else to try to elevate yourself. that is not really how a constitutional democracy is supposed to work. it's an informal norm. it's not a law, obviously. but it's a kind of important informal norm to try to preserve some civility in our public discourse. >> right. you're referencing degraded political systems in other countries. i mean, maya, two of the themes there, of course, are the abuse of law where law, like in putin's russia, becomes just an agent of persecution and the prosecutors are just grandiose political operatives. we've been covering that on our show this week, in fact. the other thing is race. we obsess over race in our peril and ignore race at our peril so it would be silly to reduce these two former presidents to a white president and black president but they are that as
well. i wonder if you could comment on the fact that it was a white president today talking about bigotry. on his concerns. and it was a former black president -- former president who happens to be black who was talking about fear and division and didn't focus as much on that. george w. bush who as we showed in our lead-in does have a record here. not, by the way, a perfect record on policy, i emphasize that. when it comes to asking people to work together across everything, he does believe he's tried to do that and tried to do that i think again today. >> yeah. had the -- he has always said that he wanted to bring people together, president bush, and he certainly never used the divisive language used -- one of the clips, september 11th -- >> right, right after 9/11 when it was not an easy time. >> he did it on the floor of congress, if you compare his speech on the floor of congress and his statement about muslims compared to how donald trump has talked about muslims, night and day.
i do think that both former presidents missed an opportunity to talk about policy when itle comes to race. because without it being an ad homonym attack. don't have to attack a person to say, we're at a point in our country where we're seeing the rollback on the protections of voters. people who are able to vote in this country. we have an administration calling attention to something we simply have no evidence for which may prevent more americans from voting. we have a president who, as you pointed out, when police brutality is one of the major national issues we have in this country, has essentially said not only should police rough people up, but actually will attack folks for actually standing up and protesting around trying to draw attention to issues of change. and that that administration has made policy decisions in terms of the department of justice. >> right. >> and whether or not it's going to be charging people and incarceratining them.
>> that clip we played of donald trump saying that, the dea director had to send out a memorandum telling people, no, don't rough people up the way he implied. maybe the presidents didn't bring it up, maya wiley, you did, which is why we like you and your views. bill kristol. thanks for your insights on what looks like a historic day. coming up, how the trump campaign was, yes, spreading russian propaganda in the days before the election. you heard that right but it is nuance. i'm going to explain and talk to a former watergate prosecutor. bob mueller keying in, trump's inner circle. what are top white house lawyers saying? i spoke to one today. i have that reporting. and later trump giving himself a ten for his puerto rico response. also making a complete 180 with comments about hurricane katr a katrina. we have that. i'm ari melber and you're watching "the beat" on msnbc. when it comes to heartburn
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raising a big question, did russians get help from americans in the meddling that they've done? the answer actually can spell the difference between espionage, which is bad, but generally abroad, and conspiracy, which is bad and domestic. the kind of crime bob mueller could indict on. now former cia director now saying it looks like the russians had help. >> it's hard for me to believe that the russians, as good as they are, as sophisticated as they are, a program like this, were not able to get some americans to cooperate with them either wittingly or unwittingly. i find it implausible. >> wittingly is the important word there because the kind of knowing help that you would give wittingly is pfor more likely t be a criminal defense. to be fair, the alternative theory, unwhitting, zept accide is far less culpable. on facebook before election day, share something online and later found out it was written by russian hackers.
that wouldn't mean that you wanted to promote russian hackers. it was unwitting. that example is actually the trump campaign's best remaining defense against these new reports from the "daily beast" that several top trump aides spread messages during the campaign homestretch originating from a, quote, kremlin-backed russian troll farm. that includes donald trump jr., kellyanne conway, michael flynn, brad parscale who ran digital operations and recently denied collusion in a big "60 minutes" sbri interview. how so many many aides found themselves sharing the russian propaganda is sure to be a line of inquiry in the russia probes. former campaign manager corey lewandowski reportedly talking to senate investigators now and mueller's team sbrinterviewed s spicer and reince priebus. these kind of interviews s can bad news or good, depends on what the investigators found. tonight i can tell you a white house lawyer familiar with this investigation says all of this is progress. "it's good for the
administration and the country that the investigation is accelerating" telling me, "we want the special counsel investigation to reach a prompt, yet fully informed, conclusion." i'm joined now by former watergate prosecutor, and libby of the "washington post." what do you think of where we landed? the white house saying this is all progress. >> a tough thing is how do you prove that forwarding messages or retreating things that you knew the origins of that so you have to find the smoking gun, perhaps e-mail exchanges or a way that you can show, hey, we actually knew what we were sharing and where it came from. the bigger concern, right now, may be how people like the former ci aa director are talki about what the russians did during the election and even saw nikki haley today, u.s. ambassador saying at an event that the russians committed warfare by meddling in the election by interfering. that's pretty strong language coming from someone on team trump, ari. >> absolutely. jill, your view of this back and
forth. >> i agree with what casey said. proving that they knew they were retweeting russian tweets is going to be very difficult. it's not impossible. forensic computer specialists may be able to show that there's some other communication. but without it being knowing, anybody can retweet and i know that while my twitter followers would like me to say for sure it shows culpability, i really don't think we're at a point where we can say retweeting a russian-created tweet is a crime. >> so, jill, wait, you're basing your analysis on your informed legal views and not what would be popular on twitter, is that -- >> i am. yes, i ale. >> okay. i just want to get that right. >> are llet me play for you sou from mark warner among others talking, again, about this trail that leads back to russia. take a listen. >> these were the ads that were paid for in rubles.
>> we're not here talking about people putting up cat videos or passing on "snl" skits. this is not what this is about. it is paid political advertising. >> it the legal argument there, jill, is that there should be more tools for the united states government to prevent this stuff. so she's saying we're not trying to stop cat videos, but if it is a paid ad, it should be regulated at such. loyal viewers of "the beat" may remember we had an fcc commissioner on a couple years back who said she tried years ago to regulate this before any of the russia stuff came out. but jill, why is this important for preventing future meddling? >> well, it's really the same thing that we have in any other form of advertising. if you're advertising on television, you have to say who you are that is sponsoring the ad. and our new forms of communication clearly include facebook and twitter and all the other social media platforms and it seems to me completely fair
and legal to say that the american public has a right to know who is the advertiser. and so i think really it is time to do that. i know facebook and twitter aren't going to want to have any infringement of their freedom. but i think in terms of voting, it's just too important. our democracy depends on our knowing who it is. >> right. you -- >> the same way i feel about -- >> yeah, you make the comparison to tv. that is a rule that applies to tv. it's not a rule that applies to facebook. i mean, libby, part of the issue here is the tech companies have had fewer rules. they don't want more rules. most companies don't want more regulation. >> right. >> and so you look at that, i'm going to put up on the screen who they're sending. i don't know if you know the old song "send lawyers guns and money." all the companies including facebook are sending their lawyers to this hearing which is fine, i get it, but if they really wanted to show more leadership, wouldn't facebook and twitter and these companies send decisionmakers? because the general counsel can't really change policy and
override mark zuckerberg. >> i think you'll certainly hear a line from the tech companies that those people in positions of authority will be listening and watching but it's a lot safer for the companies to send the lawyers out, ari. you know, you played some tape there of mark warner and amy klobuchar who introduced this honest ads act today. only got one republican onboard so far, senator john mccain. that clip where senator warner's talking about we know that these ads were paid for in rubles so we can track those, he was saying this is the tip of the iceberg. we don't actually know what the russians may have bought in e o euros or pounds or american dollars so there's a lot of questions remaining about how influential these ads can be. and members of the intel committee, by in large, are not weighing in on whether they would support this legislation. until after they hear from these tech companies on november 1st, but the calendar is rinking. we don't have a lot of time left in the year for even a bill like this which mark warner says has a light touch. kept using that phrase today like it's not going to go too
far to infringe on the tech companies. we don't know if it can get anywhere in the short timeframe that's left. >> yeah, the other thing about sending lawyers is they're an y annoying and talk a lot. >> not nearly going be as exciting of a hearing, no offense, jill, about the lawyers but it's not going to be as sexy of a hearing if you don't have -- >> far less sexy. >> -- these tech companies we want to see. >> that's what i was getting at. >> that's the phrase you were looking at. >> far less sexy when you send the lawyers. >> a lot of americans want to see tech companies, ceos and coos talk about what happened, be accountable. there's a lot of chance there for them to say something they will regret. >> i think libby, you make the right point there. look, i had two goals here. one, i wanted to get in a dad joke b. i've done that. the other point was we want to see management because you have senators talk biing to lawyers carry out management's orders, going to be all cross-talk. this is too important. a story we're going continue to cover on "the beat." thank you both. ahead, donald trump down in new polling. a reaction from an actual trump surrogate who predicted trump
would turn his promises into reality by now. first, oprah calls it today a watershed moment. women speaking out about sexual harassment by many powerful men. gretchen carlson was one of the first to tell her story taking on roger ailes. she has a new book and she's live on "the beat" next. ♪ one is the only number ♪ that you'll ever need ♪ ♪ because one is the only number ♪ staying ahead isn't about waiting for a chance. it's about the one bold choice you make that moves you forward. the one and only cadillac escalade. ( ♪ ) (tires screeching) the one and only cadillac escalade. (bell mnemonic)
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this is a watershed moment, and if we make this just about harvey weinstein, then we will have lost this moment. >> oprah winfrey says the scandal over sexual assault allegations against harvey weinstein is a chance to confront broader problems with crimes against women in america. noting women in all types of industries suffer post-traumatic stress, she says, from these problems. you know, many advocates for women note how the relative poweran accuser matters. the weinstein case shows many prominent women felt silenced at work. my next guest spoke out against fox news' roger ailes. many women lodged complaints,
hired lawyers, some reaching private or secret settlements with ailes, gretchen carlson was the most prominent journalist to go public. her sexual harassment suit began a chain of events that led other women to come forward, ultimately costing ailes his job followed by bill o'reilly and other fox employees. carlson notes the pressure on women includes diluting or denying attacks in their own minds. she notes that earlier on in her career, "i didn't even call those experiences assault until recently." when anita hill accused clarence thomas of sexual harassment, she pointed to remarks that at the time some defended as just words. >> on several occasions, thomas told me graphically of his own sexual prowess. on other occasions, he referred to the size of his own penis as being larger than normal and he also spoke on some occasions of the pleasures he had given to women. >> there was much debate at the
time but the senate confirmed thomas. last year over a dozen women accused donald trump of sexual harassment and unconsented contact. accusations that seemed to match trump's own boasts leaked on the "access hollywood" tape. he also used a just words defense by saying it was locker room talk. stories of the famous and powerful can set a tone, but we know sexual assault against women is a violent crime that, one, occurs often across the country, two, is underreported, and three, is underenforced. now the data, itself, can be vague because of that underreporting but at least one in six american women have gone through rape or attempted rape, that's according to the rape and abuse and incest national network. some of that reporting is changes in all kinds of ways. this week, people posting stories of attacks or harassment they faced using the #metoo, after actress alyssa milano encouraged people to speak up. over a million on twitter and several million more on
facebook. effort builds on many points gretchen carlson has been fighting for. new book "be fierce: stop harassment and take your power back." thanks for being here, gretchen. >> thanks for having me, ari. >> is there strength in numbers? >> oh my gosh, yes. when you're by yourself and jump off the cliff and you feel like you're all alone, that's an excruciating choice. now one of my favorite phrases is one woman can make a difference, but together we rock the world. and look at what's happening. we're shifting the blame and the shame from those who come forward to the actual harassers. and that is a huge cultural shift. >> how does the blame function inside a corporation? >> well, the blame is that the woman coming guard is a liar still. she's a troublemaker, can't take a joke. she can't get along with the boys. my book "be fierce" really puts that on its -- puts it on the other side of the paradigm. what do we need to do to change that? we need to change enablers to allies, bbystanders to speak up
for us. not only women coming forward with the #metoo, but men coming forward saying we want to help in this mission. i found that out early on when efs researching my book, i have a whole chapter on men who want to help. it's incredibly important. >> when accusers came forward against donald trump during the campaign, they were attacked by many people. drup dru dronald trump said they were liars and was going to sue them which he never did. did he view spopon respond in tg way? >> i actually feature natasha in my book "be fierce," the "people" magazine reporter who talked about her experience in mar-a-lago, reported on the story of melania and donald having their first child together. listen, we have to change the way we approach these kinds of cases and take the blame away from the women because otherwise we're fooling ourselves into thinking we've come so far as a culture. we also have to take away the secrecy of it because most of these cases are solved in
settlements where the women cannot speak about what happened to them or go into secret arbitration. >> right. >> with the prevalence of those closes and employment contracts. and, again, women are silenced. and so if we want to -- if we want this to keep happening to the next generations of our kids, i don't want it to happen to my kids who are 12 and 14 or anyone else who is watching, then pick up a copy of my book and hand it as a gift of courage to the next person because look what we're seeing. that chain of inspiration is so inspiring. when more women are coming forward. >> so you mentioned the secrecy clauses, this was an issue we now know with roger ailes who you sued ultimately getting a $20 million settlement, with harvey weinstein, many times even we the cases go forward, the settlement has, as you say, this gag order. my understanding is your agreement with fox was not as constricting. there are things you can say but still have a rule that you can't talk a lot about criticizing fox news, correct? >> correct, but if people want
to read my complaint, it's out there. they can go online. >> they can go read the underlying complaint. you went so far -- what is the solution there? wh what would you say as a woman who's gone this far for a young woman, some cases a young man, dealing with a situation, the company or individual comes back and says, okay, we will settle but here's the rule, you can never talk about any of it. >> so we have to take that element out of the equation, right? >> how? >> well, let's change it. let's have people talk about it, say we're not going do be silenced anymore. that's what we're seeing happen right now. we're shifting the blame to the actual person that deserves it which is the harasser. by the way, people ask me all the time how can i become part of this mission to help? all of the funds for my book are going back to the fund i've created to do just that. gift of courage. and people ask how can i help? you can pass this along to the next person. because unless we start having a collective voice, which we're starting to see right now, we're not going to fix this issue. we're not going to take it out of silence. by the way, i'm doing tremendous
work on capitol hill to get rid of the secrecy in arbitration. i'm working on a bipartisan bill so that we can see that women will have a voice and i'm extremely optimistic that i'm going to get both sides to be onboard with this. >> i'm so glad you're saying this. that's another issue that doesn't get attention, people hear the word, arbitration, in the context of the sexual harassment claims. what it means is never getting your day in court or your justice and signing that off before you even know what happens. and young employees in all sorts of companies being handed these things. i'm glad you brought that up. being handed them and told, sign this and we'll move on and you don't realize what you're giving up. gretchen carlson, i hope you come back and tell us how the bill's going. >> i definitely will. i'm optimistic it's going to get done. >> gretchen carlson's book "be fierce: stop harassment and take your power back." up next, donald trump said he accomplished more in nine months in office than anyone. going to defend that claim against a democratic krcritic ahead.
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almost a year into trump's administration, and some bad news right now, brand new marist poll says 58% of americans think trump will be remembered as either below average or the worst president ever. on the campaign trail, trump supporters said his ratings would actually rise from that divisive action because the grandiose promises would become reality. take trump's surrogate who joins me tonight. he once predicted this. >> the bottom line, my takeaway,
is simpler is better. everybody keeps saying, why, he's not saying anything, he's not detailing anything, we don't have any micro analysis of his policies. but everybody loves what he says. he'll be able to do it, i guarantee you, because big money can hire great advisers. >> there is one person who says donald trump has actually done better than anyone in history. guess who. >> over the last nine months, we have removed job-killing regulations at a record pace. fact, in nine months, we have done more, they say, than any president in history. and we're nine months, and there's more to come. >> historic. i'm joined by that former trump campaign surrogate, attorney david wahl, julian epstein, former chief counsel to house judiciary committee and house democratic strategist. julian, your view. >> i think this is mostly a story of a con job and betrayal to trump voters who thought they were buying into health care
reform, who thought they were buying into the wall and the muslim ban. and all they got in return was a red hat, a big gulf bill that the taxpayers have to pay and a pretty bad triumph, the insult dog imitation . this is the least accomplished president in modern history. presidents -- and this history's always measured because of the way our system is set up by legislative accomplishments that a president can achieve. most of our modern presidents have achieved at least one major legislative victory. this president has none. his numbers are in the dumps. they're at about 37%. he's the least popular president in modern history. even on thinks he touts like jobs, president obama did more for jobs in 2016 than trump has done for jobs in 2017. it's a pretty miserable record so far. and it doesn't show any signs of getting better. >> david? >> well, ari, you know, i never could have dreamed that president trump would accomplish as much as he has in the first
nine months. i mean, think about this. lowest job unemployment claim rate since 1973, that's 45 years. the stock market is up 25% to over 23,000. first time ever. we've got illegal immigration cut to about 53%. we've got isis being crushed. territory in iraq being taken from isis at record levels. now, to say that president trump hasn't accomplished anything, well, he's well on the road to the tax cut policy which will get $4,000 savings for the average american -- >> we're going to stick to the record of things that have happened, but david -- >> okay. >> you know -- >> i have a problem with david's analysis. >> david, you have to stick to things that have happened, not that will happen. because i'm just not good enough at my job to grade predictions. finish up then i go back to julian. >> net exporting in petroleum, first time ever we're net exporting, which is because mr. trump, president trump, has cut -- deregulated basically the industry which has saved us
billions of dollars and will bring billions into america. he's accomplished a lot, but the bottom line is the media isn't k covering what he accomplishes. the media jump s on him for every -- >> you're on the show right now with the media. save it with the media. >> i am. >> save it. we have you on this show to get your perspective. so safe it with the media. you used your time on that. >> what about the jobless claims -- >> julian's turn. >> what about the joblessing on? >> with all due respect david's recitation is a bunch of weasel remarks that trump -- >> weasel remarks? they're reality. >> no, they're weasel talking points. let me tell you why. >> really? >> you make the point about the stock market. there's been no change in economic policy since trump became president. he's riding on the coattails of the obama economic policy which he has -- >> oh, really? really? >> same with the jobs. president trump created fewer jobs in 2017 than obama created in 2016. you talk about isis. most of the territory that has
been reclaimed, the isis-controlled territory was reclaimed under the obama years. trump recovered maybe about a quarter of it. at most. these things that you talk about were things that were occurring naturally because of the autopilot nature of the government -- >> ah, is sthat whthat what you >> no, no, let me explain it to you. >> when obama -- >> nothing major is going to change until you have a legislative change. >> right. >> which the president has not been able to do for a number of reasons. one of which he doesn't understand legislation. he was talking, just take a look at what he did to lamar alexander the other day. two nights ago he said, well, great what he's doing on health care reform b we ought to encourage it. the next day he pulled the rug out from his under his feet. >> david, i'm going to go back to you. >> right. >> in the clip we played during the campaign, you said something i heard on the 2r5i8 frtrail fr of trump supporters, the guy runs a business, will put good people in etch ven if he doesn' have experience.
i understand that. how far back he lags on other presidents on appointments. things he can just do, pick these people and he's behind by half. you know, obama and bush double him at this point. why do you think this president, who you said would put in people, can't even fill the posts? >> well, he's got not just opposition, but complete obstruction. >> these are appointments -- >> david, david, the appointments -- >> let me just -- i want to get your answer. >> those appointments have to be confirmed. >> we're not -- >> no, no, no, the nominations vice preside haven't been submitted. >> he hat submitted them. >> the nominations vice president be haven't been submitted. >> the idea that trump's accomplishments are obama's accomplishments did you say in the great economic boom of 2009 and 2010 that george bush was responsibl-- >> your arguments are absurd. the reason nobody would say the
boom in 2009 was attributable to george bush because in the first year president obama accomplished a major legislative reform with a stimulus package. >> if you keep interrupting me, we can't have a conversation. widely credited on wall street and elsewhere, reversing the turnaround in the economy that the republicans brought us. this president has not filled, as ari was just pointing out, the executive branch with staff. more than half the senior-level positions have still not even been sent up. >> last i checked -- >> we're out of time, david, i give you a quick final word. >> he has created a million, maybe more than a million, 1.25 million jobs. >> fewer than obama in the last year. >> you cannot, look, the stock market reacts to promises, to ideas and to people that are in power. that's what it's happening now. >> promises. >> that's why you're seeing this record rate. it's going to keep improving. >> these are --
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they got hit by a category 4. grazed. >> trump was of course critic e criticized with his unusual visit to the island, lack of focus to the response and changing necessary policies but now he has a new grade for himself. he basically says he would give himself, and i'm reading from this, trump says today i'd say it was ten. we've provided so much so fast, quoting with helicopters that weren't meant for this purpose before delivering food and he repeats i'd give ourselves a ten. we can tell you right now 78% of the island has no power. that means 3 million people continuing to try to live without any power. 29% have no running water. that's a million people struggling to stay healthy and alive. the number of dead is 48 but that is expected to grow. san juan's mayor had her own grade giving trump a 10 out of
100. i'm joined by a native of brepuo rico. thank you for joining us. we wanted to report the news of what the president said and put anytime the context of why it is what some would call grade inflation. what are the facts ? >> the facts are the government knew this hurricane was going to hit. it was a direct hit. if you look at the maps a couple of days before, everyone knew. the governor of puerto rico was telling it. the government wasn't ready. the reporting that we've done, that's already an established fact. we know that this was a late response. there's no 10 to begin with, ari. >> and let me see if i can reads to you the view of the american public because this has slowly unravelled, unspooled as a different response than some of the other ones. trump puerto rico response here on public views, basically a low
approval on how he's handled the crisis, that's across several polls. what needs to happen now? >> what needs to happen is basically washington, d.c. needs to wake up. they have to come to terms with the fact -- the stories that are coming out of puerto rico now, now that you have internet, latino usa is doing a whole hour tomorrow. we talk to people. i quarantigaruarantee you, no t. they're suffering in again rarts in the fact that they need it for health. the new normal, it's going to be one month. we don't know what the new normal is in puerto rico. what the federal government needs to do is wake up, act on federal relief. we're talking $95 billion of damage to puerto rico and we're still vk these dhaving these di of loans and grants and payment plans and debt crisis. people don't have a life in puerto rico anymore. and things need to change
radically. >> julio, thank you for joining us for your reporting and telling us about your special. i'm sure a lot of people would be interested in that. as for us, yesterday we had an important conversation hearing in a gold star family. we've heard from a lot of you and we have a special message about the road ahead right after this. so why wouldn't you take something for the most important part of you... your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is now the number one selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide. prevagen. the name to remember. whstuff happens. old shut down cold symptoms fast
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murphy. they were on the beat last night discussing their son who was killed serving in syria in may. now here is part of what ms. murphy had to say. >> if that letter on that phone call could bring my son back, i would run from here on foot to washington, d.c. to get that letter. but right now it really doesn't matter who did the greatest thing. what matters right now is that people remember my job. this is what happened when people, our young people go over there to fight for a country that they love so much. we're the and a half maftermath of war. it's not about if a person called or did something more than the previous one. it's about what are you doing now to help those who are left behind, who have to struggle day to day. >> mrs. murphy urging aulg of us
to focus on what we're doing now. we have heard from a lot of you since the interview including p paul raycroft who sent us this new message. >> hey, everybody, ceo and founder of the iraq and afghanistan veterans of america. we got a great question. how can people help in this chaotic time. we've got a lot of resources on our website. we can get you informed and engaged. i'm joined by bonnie carol, the founder and ceo of t.a.p.s. really the best organization in the world for gold star families. what do you think people should do? >> t.a.p.s. provides hope, healing for all of those grieving the loss of a loved one. visit taps.org. thanks, paul for your support
and everything that you've done for gold star families. >> we're all in in together. thanks everybody. >> the organization, there is t.a.p.s. to help t.a.p.s. go to taps.org or their social pages. mrs. murphy responded to a lot of the people reaching out right on our facebook page, quote, thank you. it was very hard to do but i felt our story needed to be heard. i'm truly humbled by all of the kind and understanding comments. we of course are humbled by her courage and her family's service. we're happy in one small way to share her message to so many of you because we've heard from a lot of you about that interview. thank you. "hardball" with chris matthews starts right now. a soldier speaks. this is "hardball." ♪ good