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but if any yankees team were ever likable, this would be that team. >> sure thing, joe. >> oh, my god, let's keep that on a loop. >> you're not taking the bait. okay, good. >> thank you as well. >> that does it for us after a very long week. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. have a wonderful weekend, everyone. >> thanks so much, mika, thanks, joe. hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle. this morning, he who shall not be named. president bush and obama, their take on politic, well, their take on trump. >> we've seen nationalism distorted into nativism. >> a pair of campaign rallies, obama goes off on the current political discourse. >> we've got politics infecting our communities. >> and senate republicans pass a $4 trillion budget paving the way to get tax reform done.
>> only a requirement to pass a tax bill with as few votes as possible. >> facebook and the government changing its status to complicated. as senators push new regulation on the tech behemoth for greater political advertisement transparency. >> it wouldn't surprise me if the sun is setting on the golden age of silicon valley. >> we begin today with president obama and president george w. bush going on record. with sharp criticism of the current state of american politics. throwing subtle and not so subtle jabs at the current president as well as culture of, quote, bigotry and cruelty. we'll have a great team here this morning to help me break it down but before i get to them, i want to play some of what we are talking about, bush and obama spoke at a total of four haven'ts over the last 24 hours. neither calling out trump by name. but neither pulling any punches.
just watch this. >> here's one thing i know. if you have to win a campaign by dividing people you're not going to be able to govern them. >> we've got folks who are deliberately trying to make folks angry, to demonize people who have different ideas. >> argument turns too easily into animosity. >> why are we deliberately trying to misunderstand each other and be cruel to each other? >> the forces pulling us apart are stronger than the forces binding us together. >> folks don't feel good right now about what they see. they don't feel as if our public life projects our best. >> provides permission for cruelty and bigotry and compromises the moral education of our children. >> we're at our best not when we're trying to put people down
but when we're trying to lift everybody up. >> bigotry seems emboldened. our politics seems vulnerable to conspiracy theories fabrications. >> some of the politics we see, we thought we put that to bed. it's the 21st century. not the 19th century. >> we know when we lose sight of our ideals, it is not democracy that has failed. it is the failure of those charged with preserving and protecting democracy. >> those are some remarks. i want to bring in nbc's krypc n well being welker live at the white house. >> i have spoken to white house officials about bush's speech and they point me to a remark and a statement made by bush's spokesperson. let me read it to you. then we can do some analysis on the other side.
he says the themes president bush spoke about today are really the same themes he has spoken about for the last two decades. that's from freddie ford who is bush's spokesperson. but stef the reality is it is hard not to hear this within a political context. mr. bush was very clear. he talked about the fact this moment is unique. he clearly drew a contrast to nationalism versus globalism. of course, nationalism is something that president trump has talked a lot about. and he of course decried bullying and the corrosive discourse that has really propped up in our politics. let's just put this to a broader political context. former president george w. bush, his brother was one of president trump's competitors during that bruising primary. and trump had sharp words. not only for jeb bush but for george w. bush as well. at one point even saying that he was to blame for the 9/11
attacks. so this is political, it's personal, but clearly george w. bush, who, remember, was swept into the white house on a promise of compassionate conservatism, drawing a sharp contrast and making a distinction with how he sees the future of not only the country but the republican party. i think it really underscores the deep divisions right now within the gop and of course no surprise that former president obama had not so subtle skrips at this president as well. >> and to president bush's spokesperson, rather pleased. he was clearly showing shade at the president. i want to bring in my panel. it's one of my favorite, bill cohen, special correspondent for "vanity fair" and dear friend, as well as another friend, tim o'brien, msnbc contributor, and executive editor of bloomberg view, another favorite. all right, tim, what do you think about this? two former presidents coming out this week. president trump has said a lot
of very offensive things over the last year and a half. but do you think they came out specifically because of what's gone on this week with regard to the military families and trump? >> i don't know if that's what sparked it. i suspect with obama, he was campaigning with murphy in new jersey. it was an appropriate moment for him to talk about civil dialogue. i think what's interesting with bush is that you've got somebody who was essentially an outcast in the party. after iraq. who now on the national stage is a refreshing dose of civility and honor at a moment when i think people are getting really worn down by the constant mudslinging that you get out of the white house. with obama, i think this is consistent where he's always been on these issues for a long time. i think with bush, what's interesting as well is this is the long arm of this. i think he's responding to trump's lack of civility and racial sensitivity in the wake of events.
i think what's also probably troubling me around this is that you still are relying on party elders or party has beens to come out and speak to gop values during the trump moment. you have mccain who's on his way out. corker who's on his way out. president bush, who's been out. think there's still room for people in the party itself to start to stand up for what are conservative values in the trump era. >> in "the new york times," a reporter asked president bush on his way out, do you think your remarks will be heard by the white house? and he kind of smiled and said, i think they will. do you think president trump cares? >> oh, goodness. does president trump care about anything about himself? >> well, he certainly would care if -- i mean, these two came swinging. >> right. and i don't know whether it was coordinated or not. maybe it was good timing for both. i think it's part of a larger picture that is starting to come into clarity right now. as tim was saying.
it's not only bush and obama, but it's also senators from trump's own party, flake, mccain, that's how it starts. i'm old enough to remember watergate and how it started and how, you know, slowly but surely members of nixon's own party came around to attack him and see the mistakes that he had made. i think we're beginning to see -- i don't know whether it's invoking the 25th amendment. i don't know whether it's impeachment. maybe it's setting the stage for what mueller's going to come up with. but clearly you're beginning to see cracks in the facade. they're getting permission to attack the president from these elders. >> because for them, though, gop establishment republicans, they actually know better. they know the dangerous situation that steve bannon is putting the gop in. and the fact they're standing by him, whether it's paul ryan or mitch mcconnell. >> stephanie, i think you're beginning to see the cracks in that. these elders, this group of
people, is giving permission to others. this does not happen, you know, like a light switch. people need to get comfortable with the idea of beginning to attack a president of their own party. i think you're beginning to see permission being given. i think, you know, it's going to be tough. always going to be tough for mitch mcconnell or paul ryan to attack the president of the united states but i think you're going to be seeing others. who knows. i believe it's setting the stage for when mueller delivers his report, whatever that is, you know, you're going to have to get a coalition of republicans to join in the democrats to begin the process. >> also -- >> it's going to be tough. don't cry for me argentina, paul ryan, sorry. >> i'm not standing here to defend paul ryan's behavior. they should be doing much more than they are. >> also what does "party elder" mean right now? the gop's broken. >> yes. >> you've got a party that is this push me/pull you between his populist wing and his establishment wing. i don't think the populist wing cares at all about what george bush says.
but i do think establishment republicans do. i think there's this myth about the trump base, that it's only post-industrial white working class voters. he needed affluent republicans in his camp. >> and women. >> and women. >> who he's losing i'm sure rapidly. >> i think when somebody like george bush comes out and says i find this reprehensible, that does mean something to a certain segment of the gop. >> but to tim's point, there were a lot of people who voted for president trump who are not part of the base you're talking about who felt that washington was broken, and when they look at a broken washington, they look at those who have been there for decades and decades. if your last name is bush, you're in that camp. kristen, i want to bring you back into this. all this started on monday when trump talked about calling military families. he was criticized for how he handled one of those called to the widow of ladavid johnson. yesterday watching his chief of staff john kelly come out and defend him, it was stunning. take a look.
>> he was doing exactly what he wanted to do when he was killed. he knew what he was getting into by joining the -- that 1%. that's what the president tried to say to four families the other day. and in his way, tried to express that opinion. that he's a brave man. a fallen hero. >> i cannot imagine how hard that was for john kelly. for john kelly to dredge up most definitely the hardest thing in his entire life, losing his son, and then walk us through in that speech yesterday. specifically what happens to fallen soldiers. it was extraordinary. but is this a sign -- the white house certainly seems to be getting behind the president full force on this one. >> absolutely. it was an incredible day here at the white house, very solemn of course to hear chief of staff john kelly talk about not only the process you just referenced
but to talk about obviously losing his son. he aimed to really put this matter to rest. and today, again it seems to have new oxygen. president trump tweeting at the congresswoman who accused him of being insensitive during that phone call, tweeting this, the fake news going crazy with wacky congresswoman wilson who gave a total lie on content. of course, she was riding in the car with la david johnson's widow when that car was put on speaker phone and she's a close friend of the family's. bottom line here, stef, this isn't going away. in fact, the congresswoman earlier today was criticizing john kelly and president trump again. so this is a controversy that continues to have legs. i can tell you, though, officials here at the white house not only want to put the focus on the fallen soldiers in niger, the investigation under way in to determining exactly what happens. but they also want to focus on
policy. particularly in the wake of the budget passing the senate overnight, stef. and essentially paving the way for tax reform essentially. so i think what you're going to see here today in terms of message, particularly when we hear from sarah huckabee sanders at the podium, is an attempt to put the focus on some of those policy priorities. >> bill, what do you make of this? president trump give us plenty of red meat to go after. was he unfairly criticized in this situation? john kelly is not one to come out and perform a full munition and back the president, you know, to a point of humiliation. now to hear john kelly yesterday in this one, did we actually call every gold star family? we didn't. this one, it should be about the families. >> there's probably a reason john kelly was the one. normally, i would think if there was misunderstanding of how you
treated a gold star family, if there was so misinterpretation that happened, i can see former president obama coming out and trying to clear it up. i don't think -- tim would know this better than i. i don't think president trump has it is a buithe ability, the come out and fix this situation he made a mess. >> he also doesn't have the words to make a good call. >> well, again, maybe we're being a little unfair. maybe he did say what john kelly was implying that he said or suggesting that he said. maybe it just was interpreted in a way that seem eed callous and cold. >> because we are living in an environment -- >> he is so inarticulate. >> he is inarticulate. we're living in an environment where we only hear what we want to hear. that congresswoman wanted to hear one thing. the woman who matters here is the widow, tim. >> well, when did we ever nationally in the middle of the day tune in to white house press briefings before? we're doing this now on a regular basis. and the white house has been
struggling to find somebody who can put out on that stage to be the face of the administration. general kelly brings an honorable service record. and great decency every time he's up there. however, that's a limited amount of capital he can spend. they can do whatever they want this week to clean up this particular mess. the reality is, they're going to have continual messes and the more they put general kelly out there, the more that capital gets diminished. the second thing -- >> it's the second time with him, too. >> it's the second time. and he spoke movingly and with great articulate about it. however, he also spoke about the moral decay in the united states. when he's working for a man who isn't exactly a paragon of virtue. and he spoke about the need to respect gold star families, which we can get behind. but he's working for a boss who has also openingly disrespected gold star families. i think this white house has to walk the walk as much as it
talks the talk. they can put general kelly out there as a mt. rushmore figure, which is what he is. they can't zoontly clean up the president's messes and get away with it forever. >> the president is very good at making misses. he is proving himself uncapable of cleaning up the misses. that's why these surrogates are put out there. >> every time, it looks like hostage videos. >> it does look like hostage videos. >> everybody going full mnuchin. >> bringing out john kelly, the diminishing returns. specifically into the ambush. this is what matters. the ambush that killed those four soldiers in niger. top officials, they say they don't have them. hans nichols is at the pentagon. what do you know? >> there's a former inquiry going on. it's called something a 15-6. a level of formality that assures there will be facts and
findings. those recommendations will have legal weight. what should be done to make sure something like this doesn't happen again. the wall street is reporting the fbi is joining the investigation. in the past, the fbi has provided technical assistant. one thing they do want certainty on is who was behind this attack. the initial accounts, whether it was isis and isis affiliated group that seemed to be the conclusion. they may want a little bit more certainty. but in all this, stef, this is a dangerous part of the world. secretary mattis when he was speaking to us yesterday reminded everyone these soldiers face real risk. >> i would just tell you in the specific case, contact was considered unlikely. but there's a reason we have u.s. army soldiers there and not the peace corps. because we carry guns. >> stephanie, they're going to make every effort from the pentagon to keep congress informed, bring them along every step of the way when they know something they will inform their counterparts.
they do not want this to turn into a pentagon versus the senate, pentagon versus mccain-type situation. i would just add, this attack happened, the first reports of it, tuesday night at about 5:50. it was radio france international. congress was initially informed a good two hours ahead of time, around 3:47. another quick note, secretary mattis is hosting his french counterpart here at the pentagon. there's been nothing but praise for the cooperation that they enjoy with the french on the ground in west africa. look for secretary mattis to thank his colleague, his counterpart from france, stef. >> all right, thank you, hans nichols. we're going to take a break. next, republicans calling it a once in a generation opportunity. they said that about nine months ago. overnight, the senate passing a budget, knocking down a key hurdle, standinging in the way of tax reform. that college experience that i had. the classes,
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welcome back. i'm stephanie ruhle. you're watching msnbc. president trump's goal to rewrite the tax code cleared a major hurdle overnight when senate republicans passed a $4 trillion budget. the president with some celebratory tweets this morning. quote, the budget passed late last night. we got zero democratic votes. with only rand paul, who will vote for tax cut, voting against. this now allows for the passage of large-scale tax cuts and reform which will be the biggest in the history of our country.
the budget blueprint now heads to the house. the current version includes the provision allowing for a tax plan to add up to $1.5 trillion to the deficit. how do you like that, freedom caucus, over the next decade. opening the door for republicans to use reconciliation, meaning tax reform, could be passed without a single democratic vote. i want to bring my panel in on this one. bill cohen and tim o'brien. president trump repeatedly pointing out that democrat are also obstructionists. i remind you, wasn't that what mitch mcconnell did for the last eight years? all right, bill, do you think this is going to go through republicans across the board? they are under pressure to have a legislative win. >> look, trump ran on reducing the federal debt, okay. he ran on -- >> but people actually care about the deficit that much? they say they do -- >> apparently republicans in congress do or say they did. we're going to find out whether they really do. you know what, they probably don't. because this is a historic tax
cut, tax reform they're plotting here. first time in 31 years. that's even why our good friend gary cohen is sticking around, so he can implement historic tax cuts. what do they really mean? big tax cuts for the rich and trickle down economics. we've tried this, you know, and it didn't work in the reagan era. i don't know why anybody thinks it's going to work again. this is what we're on the verge of doing. without a single democratic vote. >> yesterday, bank america downgraded chipotle for paying its workers too much. we need to remember this whole argument. when companies have more money, they focus on their shareholders. they focus on share buybacks. when they give raises to their employees, they get cut by wall street analysts. this notion you're going to cut corporate taxes -- >> there's going to be a repatriation of billions of dollars of profits going to employees? >> when is the last time in your job they gave you a -- hey, we get a tax cut, here's a bonus, what's your thought?
>> this is all over the economic literature. that tax cuts do not lead to increased spending. in a way that promotes broad-based economic growth. we've had this proven empirically. it's in the literature. yada yada yada. i think what's happening with the budget obviously, it's a warm-up to where bush will position himself around tax cuts. i think you'll find him and mnuchin tying themselves in knots like they already have trying to sell this as a cut for middle class. when in what is still a very sketchy tax plan. we should call it a tax paper or a tax memo. >> nine pages. >> yeah, this is not a tax plan. and most members of congress haven't even seen it yet. this is exactly what they did with the health care plan. however, i do think they're going to try to unify to get this one through. they can't afford to reach the end of this year without a major legislative win. it would be very embarrassing for a gop that controls both houses of congress. most state legislatures and the
white house. and it's not in a position to get reform through of any sort. however, i think they're going to be long-term political consequences from the tax plan as described. >> welcome to 2017. in a world of short-termism. whether you're talking about corporate america or government, nobody thinks long term. can we just mention for one minute steve mnuchin this week basically threatening congress saying if tax reform doesn't go through, you're going to see the stock market tax a serious dive. not only is that wildly irresponsible, it's also -- >> for a treasury secretary. >> for a treasury secretary. >> it is also massively incorrect. while you cannot dispute, there has been a trump bump. corporate america would love to see a tax cut. you cannot dispute. janet yellen is the person to thank. low interest rates not just in the united states but globally have been the key driver here. what in the world is steve mnuchin talking about? you couldn't get hired at goldman sachs if you walked in with that.
that's where his father made all his money. that's how steve got his job there. >> be really specific about the trump bump. the trump bump has been a stock market bump. >> which began in march of 2009. >> and the stock market is not the u.s. economy. >> the stock market is not the real economy, okay. the real economy are workers and corporations and corporate earnings. that's the real economy. consumer spending. >> only 52% of americans even own stocks. >> there's a correlation. >> whatever we're seeing in the real economy is what the obama administration set in motion. trump still has a year or two before he can lay claims to what's happening in the macro economy. the stock market is just the barometer. >> what we also see in the real economy is that forgotten american who is so angry that the stock market went up so much and they were left out and now that same forgotten american who voted for trump is not benefiting from the stock market gain and won't benefit from the stocks cut. >> and when they get higher wages, as you were just saying, wall street criticizes the companies that pay higher wages.
so it's not a good argument that's being made or proposed. the fact of the matter is steve mnuchin should not be saying things like this. there are many reasons why the stock market has gone up. janet yell season a key driver because you cannot possibly invest in bonds right now. too risky. that leaves the only place to invest really is the stock market and dividend paying stocks. so this is going to not end well for president trump or steve mnuchin. we just have to wait and see. >> oh, gosh, eric trump. you know when you say we don't talk over the stock market? we do every day. i think you just don't like what we say. coming up, a bipartisan group of senators. that's next in money power politics.
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alone. and the number of americans without health insurance rose to 12.3% this past quarter according to gallup. that is up 1.4% since the end of last year. it is the highest uninsured rate the u.s. has seen since 2014. the long wait is over for the l.a. dodgers heading to the world series for the first time since 1988 after dominating the cubs last night 11-1. congratulations. new support for the dreamers. according to reuters. nearly 2 dozen tech companies are planning to launch a coalition aimed at pushing for legislation that will create a path to permanent residency to young undocumented immigrants. it is 9:33. the market's just opened after another record high day. wall street set its sights on another strong day following the passage of the federal budget that could certainly help pave the way for tax reform. now, my favorite part of the show, money, power, politics. we are starting to see maybe the
first wave of regulationings in response to russian meddling in the united states presidential elections. after weeks of work to show republican support, senator mccain has signed on to legislation aimed at increasing transparency for online political ads. democratic senators mark warner and amy klobuchar introductioned the bill. >> by simply extending the current disclosure laws to those when they're run online. it is fair and it's the right thing to do. >> blogger for buzz machine.com and associate professor at graduate school of journalist, jeff jarvis joins me now. we like to blame facebook. isn't this a system of regulation? we saw technology move so quickly and regulation just didn't move in tandem and nobody self-polices. >> yes, but i do think the
platformers could have gotten ahead here. i started an initiative, full disclosure, funded in part by facebook. i pushed facebook publicly to say they could set a new standa standard. we don't know what happened with robo calls. >> why would they? >> because they have to -- because, as you push them on, they now have so much power they have to earn new moral authority. they have to stand above and say this is where we go. i think if they had come out early and said, man, the russians are after us and thus you, the story would have been russia, not facebook. now, rather than waiting for congress to suggest legislation, they should have -- all the platforms should have self-regulated around transparency. revealing not only the ads and who purchases them but also very importantly the criteria used to target them. so we know what messages are being aimed at whom in this political environment we have now. >> as much as i like hanging out on the moral high ground with jeff, bill, you're well versed in a far different way. >> in the lack of moral -- >> you've written a lot about it
in terms of wall street but is it realistic to think that facebook would have gotten in front of this and now here we are? is this just facebook starting to experience this is what it's like to be a regulated grown-up company? >> jeff is right, industry does not choose self-regulation. that's not their preferred mode of operation. they prefer to, you know, beg for forgiveness rather than ask for permission. >> it's not just industry, it's humanity. >> it's human nature. >> exactly. i agree. they're a part of human nature. this is why it happens this way. you can't expect people to self-regulate or ask for permission. you do what you think is right or what you're rewarded to do, frankly, as i've said many times. and then you deal with the consequences later. >> you do have google coming out and having the view of don't be evil, which in its time i think was actually important. it's a license to keep them from doing wrong. >> that's not good enough anymore. >> it was good pr. don't be evil is good pr. not following the customer's
customers. calling it a community. good pr. >> it was a license to employees to stop the company going down the wrong path. >> snapchat, we were just at a conference last week in los angeles, snapchat had this mantra we're here to do good. i think every company wants to do good in the world eye deally. i think the problem you're seeing with social media platforms in the trump era, vis-a-vis russia, they're not just technology platforms. they're media companies. information transits across their platforms. they don't want to be seen as media companies because it exposes them i think to a decades long series of regulations that apply to media companies. >> i don't think they are media companies. we in media make a mistake if we try to put their round holes in our square pegs. >> let's not even say they're media companies though. information transits, pipelines. they aren't simply a utility. they're sending messages of various natures across their platform. as we saw in the election, there are messages that can get man
nip lapted. >> who do we want to regulate? this government, this government regulating speech? i think the platforms have to get ahead of that. because otherwise, i think we'll see a lowest common denominator of freedom of various governments regulating. >> does anything change if the fine print is added? are people going to read that? is that going to affect us? >> reporters and journalists are going to be able to go and study what the ads are and who their messages are. >> but at the same time, people now get their news off twitter and they click on news organizations called the american freedom special super star group and people think that's just a viable news outlet as "the new york times." >> i think this is beyond just disclosure on an ad a user might see. this is whether or not certain ads can get on the platform to begin with. >> great point. >> facebook had to limit gun sales. neo-nazi messages. why would we let someone come on
facebook and advertise uranium sales? of course we wouldn't. >> the openness we have, there's belief in openness of the internet, which i hold to. we have to set new standards. twitter standard is down to we don't like child important but they allow harassment of women and in this post-harvey weinstein age, twitter had to change and find some moral spine here. that's uncomfortable in the sensory of speech. but we have to set standards for civility in society i think. >> it gets back to that issue will they set standards adequately themselves? if there's money on the other end of the big ad campaign, will they willingly cut the cord? >> look what happened to the russian thing. by being behind it, they've suffered more harm than they would have if they'd gotten ahead of it. >> tim o'brien, i'm going to answer that question for you and it's not. all right, we're going to take a break. coming u, it has been a month since hurricane maria. right now, puerto rico's governor is providing an update on recovery efforts a day after president trump gave himself,
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ricardo recelo is giving an update on the ongoing recovery efforts on his island. it's been one month since sure karen maria devastated puerto rico and the situation is dire. nearly 80% of the island has no power and almost 1 million people there do not have access to reliable drinking water. at orlando international airport. get your head around this number. more than 25,000 puerto ricans have arrived after fleeing the crisis in the last month alone and more are coming. maria, what's happening there today? >> stephanie, more than 2 dozen people have already come into this welcome center here at orlando international airport where officials tell us the number of people seeking help arriving from the island has increased tenfold in the last two weeks. as you stated, people still on the island struggling for the very basic services. and what happens is the end result is what many are already
labeling this mass exodus of puerto ricans especially here to the sunshine state. governor scott's office telling me 60,000 people from puerto rico have already come to the state of florida just in the last two weeks. many of them are coming with just the bags they can carry, with just the clothes on their backs. and they tell me that if the response would have been what president trump said it was, a 10 out of 10, they wouldn't be here seeking help. they wouldn't have had to uproot their family. i want to speak to a family who i met here this morning. a 13-year-old boy here who had to come from puerto rico. can you tell me what your thoughts are on the response on the island after president trump said it got 10 out of 10 grade in his view? >> that's not true. right now, where i live, we don't have light, we don't have water, we don't have gas. my wife uncle died two days ago because the hospital closed. so it's not easy. it's not easy. we're struggling there.
>> we know, steven, you came last night. can you tell us what you experienced on the island, what you saw? >> it was very bad. everything was a disaster. everything was on the floor. cable's on the floor. everything. basically a disaster. >> are you happy to be here in florida? >> yes, i am. >> you are happy? stephanie, it's steven's 13th birthday today so i want to wish you a 13th birthday and i'm happy the family was able to make it out here. if you hear these stories, you get a sense of the fact that this recovery according to these folks we just heard from is not really a 10 out of 10. it is so extremely complicated for these families to uproot their lives here. behind me at this welcome center, you have everything from health and human services, fema, they need to transfer florida driver's licenses that they tell us cost them $48 just to transfer. they need to transfer medical
records. they need to get their kids in schools here. so, again, an extremely complicated transition and what most of the people in this line this morning told me is they would not be going through this if the recovery would have been what they expected. stephanie. >> today on twitter, i want you to post all the pictures you have from the time you spent in puerto rico after hurricane maria and then i want our audience to get their head around 10 out of 10. that's what the president gave himself. all right, joining us from orlando international airport. up next, another republican congressman calls it quits. remember, steve bannon said he's calling a roar on the gop. question is, is establishment gop raising a white flag? shawn evans: it's 6 am. 40 million americans are waking up to a gillette shave. and at our factory in boston, 1,200 workers are starting their day
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their role. and senator orrin hatch and fred upton are rumored to be considering the same moves. joining me, one of my faves, steve kornacki. you're my friend who gives me the greatest political history of anyone i know. how common is this? >> well, i think what is interesting about this is, if you see retirement every two years and sometimes it is an indication they feel their party won't do well in the upcoming midterm elections. but what is really interesting is, you look at the types of members who are retiring. you have a bunch on the screen right there. the common thread is these are what you call establishment republicans, when the leadership -- >> congressman tiberi is a young guy. >> he looks like he's going to run the business table there in ohio. he got rebuffed from the party maybe. >> the business roundtable is not as good as his current job. so don't tell me he's dying to do that. >> when you say not as good as
his job, traditionally you may see that. i think what a lot of republican members of congress are realizing as establishment members is this is not a legislative presidency. this is a cultural presidency. this is a president for better or worse, whatever you think of him, this is a president who sees it as his mission to go out and change the culture of the country. he loves to get into it with the nfl. he loves to get into it on the cultural hot-button issues. if he interested in calling the leaders of congress over, haggling over legislation, it certainly doesn't seem that way. so it leaves the republican members of congress is a strange position. their traditional role, we have a republican president and majorities in the house and the senate. that traditional role, president of the party, isn't interested in having them play that. before they had a big title as a big republican in washington, the media says every time he launches into a cultural war fight, what are they going to say? it is not the job they signed up
for. the number retiring is one thing, the type of retirement is another. the type of republican who came to washington expecting a very different model of politics. the model of politics we had in this country until nine months ago. but it is changing and different. do i want to do another two years, four years or eight years of this? why? >> does any have to do with steve bannon and the war he has openly waged on the gop? if i'm a sitting congressman, if i'm a sitting senator, do i really want to go to war with someone who will go to such low levels to destroy my life and reputation and family? why not end on a high note? >> yeah, a lot of them, you look at the names up on the screen, i don't think they are intimidated out by steve bannon. but that is the divide in the republican party. the model of the traditional establishment republicans is the model bannon wants to upend. that's the choice they are going to be confront in the primaries coming up next year.
and this is a longer term story. there's a potential of a big shift in the republican party that is playing out here as it becomes more sort of economically blue collar economic blue collar working class. the old days of the republican party is the party of wall street, the party of business, the party of town fathers, i think that is changing. >> is donald trump responsible for making a shift to the republican party? i was making a joke. >> oh, geez. this weekend we have a special interview on "a.m. joy" with house minority leader nancy pelosi. that's this sunday at 10:00 a.m. you don't want to miss this. it's time for "your business" of the week. jenny of jenny's splendid ice cream is credited with starting
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that wraps us up this hour. i'm stephanie rule. i'll be back at 11:00 finally with ali velshi. over to my friend, chris jansing. we are learning new details about the deadly ambush on u.s. soldiers in niger. the fbi is joining the investigation as president trump's chief of staff tries to quell the condolence controversy. and a florida congresswoman takes new aim this morning. and president trump is also the target of two former presidents, obama and bush. two extraordinarily pointed pleas for civility at separate
events from men reluctant to take the stage during the trump presidency. and on capitol hill, the senate approves the budget paving the way for $1.5 trillion in tax cuts, but still no answers how to pay for it. details are coming up. but we begin with the latest on the growing pressure to find answers in the investigation into the deaths of four americans in niger. we have reports from the pentagon and the white house. we begin with nbc news pentagon correspondent hans nichols. and "the wall street journal" is reporting that the fbi has now joined the investigation. what can you tell us? >> well, nbc news has confirmed according to military official that is the fbi has joined the investigation. this is a formal investigation along with other investigations that are taking place. when the military looks into something that went this badly, they look at it from a variety of different angles. they need to know the result of the four deaths of the u.s. soldiers in