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fallback friday. you can catch his show, politics nation sunday morning, obviously 8:00 a.m. on msnbc. do not miss it. i will be here to see you. hope you have a great weekend. "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. war cries, let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. the president's chief of staff delivered a powerful defense of his boss in a surprise appearance yesterday before the white house press court. he attacked the florida congress woman who criticized the president's call to the family of a fallen soldier. of course, donald trump couldn't let his chief of staff have the last word, pulling defeat from the jaws of victory, he tweeted -- the fake news is going crazy with wacky congress woman
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wilson, a democrat secretly on a very personal call and gave a total lie on content. in one tweet the president stirred up the fight all over again, misstating fact itself, politicizing the issue and doing exactly what general kelly knocked the congresswoman for doing, misusing something as sacred as the death of a fallen soldier. meanwhile, that florida congress woman frederica wilson is pushing back against trump and kelly, who both knocked her for listening in on that conversation with the family. >> i wasn't listening in, i was in a car. >> are you willing to allow today that it's possible that you misinterpreted what the president's intentions were in that phone call to sergeant johnson's wife? >> there is nothing to misinterpret. he said what he said. i just don't agree with it. >> well the president accused her of lying, congresswoman wilson and general kelly seem to agree on the conat this point of president trump told the family.
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>> they were almost like joking. he said, well, i guess you knew something to the fact that he knew what he was getting into when he signed up, but i guess it hurts, anyway. you know, just matter of factually. >> that this is what happens. >> he said, kel', he was doing exactly what he wanted to do when he was killed. he knew what he was getting into by joining that 1%. he knew what the possibilities were because we're at war. that's what the president tried to say to four families the other day. >> joining me right now is excuse correspondent for mcclatchey newspaper anita kumar and clarence psyches, anita, this is tricky stuff. after two people interpreting what they heard on the phone and all this other after fire. it seems like trump delaware
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wants this fight. he wants to keep it hot. i think the congresswoman is quite willing to oblige him. let's go. >> you are right. general kelly was put out there in the white house to end the sentence, period, it's over. and the president couldn't help himself but tweet last night and this is going on and on. here we have another day. it's such a disservice to the family. because this is how they're driving, this back and forth. john kelly did misstate the facts. that's what's kept this going. general kelly referred to or recalled a 2015 incident where, event where he was in miami and congress woman wilson was there. but he got the facts wrong. it was to dedicate an fbi building in miami. he said she was grandstanding, a showboat as the president like toss say, she was taking credit for getting the funding for the building. she wasn't doing that. >> why do you think he escalated the battle, like advancing in cambodia into vietnam, why expand the war into something
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before, yesterday, general kili criticized comments that congresswoman wilson played in that 2015 dedication of the fbi building aimed at the two slain fbi acts. let's watch. from the congresswoman stood up and in the long tradition of empty barrels making the most noise, stood up there in all of that and talked about how she was instrumental in getting the funding for that building. now, she took care-her constituents, because she got the money. she called up president obama and on that phone call, he gave the money the $20 million to build the building. she sat down. we were stunned. stunned that she had done it. >> well the problem is general kelly got his facts wrong there, wilson did speak at that dedication, she never took credit for getting the funding, that happened before she was in the congress. wilson talked about speeding up the process to naming the
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buildi building. let's watch part of what she said that day. >> i went to the speaker, speaker boehner, i said, mr. speaker, i need your help. the fbi need your help. and our country need your help. and we have no time to waste. he went into attack mode and in two days, pulled it out of committee, brought it to reform for a vote. senator nelson and senator rubio, who i believe have representatives here today, they hotlined into the senate floor and just two days. >> well, the bulk of her ten-minute speech was delivering praise actually for the fbi agents, themself and the fbi generally, sarah huckaby sanders says general kelly stands by his comments. let's watch. >> most of it was her effusively praising these fbi acts, when she was talking about what she did in congress, she was not talking about getting security $20 million. she was talking about naming the
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building. >> she also mentioned that and had quite a few comments that day that weren't a part of that speech or that video that were also witnessed by many people that were there. what general kelly referenced yesterday. >> tell us specifically. because -- >> exactly what he said, there was a lot of grandstanding, he was stunned she had taken that opportunity to make it about herself. if you want to go after general kelly, that's up to you. i think if you want to get into a debate with a four star marine general, i think that's -- something highly inappropriate. >> this is, i mean, if i were coming from another planet, i would be saying, what are you fighting about what somebody said two years ago in a ceremony, what all this is about is this dam culture war in this country, both sides seem to be getting into clearly, this thing how dare you question a general? what is this a hunter running the country? you can't question a general? that's culture war talk. >> i was waiting for sarah huckaby to break her cool.
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she is usually smarter than that this was an inappropriate statement. obviously, the retired general, the chief of staff is just as accountable to the public and the press as any other public official, but and she'll admit that she misspoke, i'm sure. but she's directly contradicting how kelly described the congresswoman's speech and is there is no evidence to back up what she's saying, if she's got some, i'd like to hear it. >> explain the culture, it's all who's side are you on, the next segment i talk about the 38th parallel. as long as trump holds that 38%, we're pro army. we're basically a pro majority race if you want to be blunt about it. >> that comes into factor a lot of time. it's about being could u culturely conservative the same old ramparts we are getting into all the time here t. congresswoman from florida has taken on the fight from her side and it involves somebody, people
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were killed, they weren't respected properly. all this explain. because there is something that everybody out there listen on the radio or reading in the paper they all get it. everybody in this country gets what's going on here. >> well, first of all this is a travestiy and a tragedy, think about the misdirection we are talking about here. we should be focusing on the dead heroes who gave their lives. we should be focusing not on the congresswoman and what she said which was apparently accurate who ubt the fact the gold star family had this reaction? the white house has succeeded in a certain amount of misdirection here. they needed somebody to beat up on. they needed a target. they settled on congresswomen wilson and misrepresented what she said. can we take a step back, take a deep breath and realize the white house has us talking about the congresswoman rather than the grieving family of these men who gave their lives. i think that's something we all ought to put this in some context here. donald trump spent two weeks not
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talking about the death of these soldiers, two weeks. then he's asked about it. he gets defensive. he is the one who politicized it. then he lies about, accuses the congresswoman of lying, but again, it's the misdirection. when kelly came out, he essentially confirmed everything she said, so why are we still talking about her unless, of course, again, in this culture war, have you to have somebody you can beat up on, so that we don't focus on the fact that the president apparently botched this rather sensitive phone call. >> i agree, that's true. also botched the fact that he took defeat from the jaws of victory. i think kelly helped him out a lot yesterday. he didn't win the battle. he certainly looked better than the president. why did the president keep the battle going? why is he like frank sinatra, you meet somebody in the men's room, they start fighting. it's always a war with this guy. he love toss fight. >> he cannot help himself. he wants to his staff is trying
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to help him end controversy. it just gets under his skin. >> it's de ja vu, remember the same thing happened during the democratic convention when trump got into this shouting match with the gold star family there at the convention. >> let it go. >> exactly. let it go. or apologize. >> he's encapable of apologizing. >> and admitting he may not have said at this time right way. i think the general told him what to say, it was said to him when he lost his son. probably you need a little dramatic coaching to get it right, maybe. maybe he didn't know what he meant to say what he was getting into, in the way a soldier's parent would know what to say. he said in most cases the guys love to get into the military, he wanted to be a soldier for his country. help wanted to do. that this is what he really wanted to do. >> i can tell you, chris, as a veteran, we all knew. that we knew what we signed on for, as you know, donald trump approaches the english language as a second language, he is
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figuring it out as the language of empathy is concerned. just imagine how he heard, it's like the game of telephone, he heard the general say one thing, he tried to say it the whole same time. >> like j. edgar hoover -- >> general kelly said that, he basically said he did the best he could. >> a good answer. >> it was such an easy way to get out of this. >> i tried. >> i tried my best. >> i'm not that good at this. yesterday gem kelly mourned the loss of things, he said the country once considered sacred d. message might have been lost on his boss, let's listen to general kelly and donald trump how they might be clashing here in their values and empathy department as clarence said. >> when i was a kid growing up, a lot of things were sacred in your country. women were sacred. you looked upon them with great honor. >> when are you a star, they let you do, you can do anything. grab them by the -- >> religion, that seems to be gone as well there now when we
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go in church and when i drink my little wine, which is about the only wine i drink and have my little cracker, i guess that's a form of asking for forgiveness. >> gold star families, that left in the convention over the summer. >> if you look at his wife, she was standing there, she had nothing to say, probably she maybe wasn't allowed to have anything to say, you tell me, plenty of people have written that. >> i just thought the selfless devotion that brings a man and woman to die on the battlefield, i just thought that might be sacred there the traditional way few look at president obama and other presidents, most of them doesn't make calls, a lot of them didn't make calls. >> charlie, i don't think he's on the same page as this general. he abuses and takes advantage of and exploits everything that a general kelly says we shouldn't be doing an he's doing it, all himself, leading the way. >> yeah. >> this is literally cringe-worthy when you play the juxtaposition. general kelly is an honorable
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man who i believe he is upholding all of theresa cred values, but he's working for someone who on a regular basis is degrading all of these kind of norms. i mean, on a regular basis, but the last person in american politics you would describe as treating women as sacred or showing respect for some of these institutions and these values and these tradition that we ought to respect. so you do sort of wonder, was there a little lack of self-awareness there? do you know who you work for, general kelly? >> i know, clarps, last wo clart word, what do you think the general's personal life? >> he must do like when he sees a young recruit come into bake training who hasn't been conditioned to the norms of behavior, trump is about defying norms in washington t. general is there to try to bring him back into line. >> that's a nice way of putting
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it, as always, ahni ka kumar thank you and charlie sykes. coming up, you can bet trump loves this fight with congresswoman wilson, it's the latest in a culture war, trump keeps stirring the pot because it feeds his base, his 38%, his 38th parallel to use a korean expression, beat the person in 2020 get up to 42 where he can win. plus, new reporting trump is interviewing u.s. attorneys, guess why? the various people that could bring him indictments, he cares about new york and waulgdz washington, d.c., i wonder why? does he think they work for him? i guess. so joe biden and john mccain, we are hearing criticism of donald trump's politics in this country. "the hardball" roundtable will be here. we have more on the anti-vietnam
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house speaker paul ryan was at a dinner in new york. keeping with the charity events, ryan poked fun at himself and both sides of the political aisle. most of the punch lines however were directed at one man, donald trump. >> enough with the applause, all right. you sound like the cabinet when donald trump walks in the room. just my joking off to it. right. i know last year that donald trump offended some people, i know his comments, according to critics, went too far. so some said it was unbecoming of a public figure and his comments were offensive. well, thank god he's learned his lesson. every morning, i wake up in my
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office and i scroll twitter to see which tweets that i'll have to pretend i did not see later on. >> well, he didn't write those jokes, he's not a funny guy. anyway, speaker ryan may have been joking or trying to them jokes, plenty of the prominent politicians are taking serious shots at president trump. we will have more, lots of shots at trump these days from the grandese of both parties and we'll be right back. and rising costs, wipe that smile off your face. we're coming for you too. at optum, we're partnering across the health system to tackle its biggest challenges. at optum, we're partnering across the health system the flu, and its complications, needs to hear it. can be deadly.
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welcome back to "hardball." president trump love as good as fight. he knows the voters that put him in officer like one, too. whether it's raging against the congress or professional athletes the president does so with one audience in mind, the good old base, played which chaos and a ledge lative again that that stalled. he seems to keep his base engaged by waging a fight against the nfl or hollywood.
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to name a few. here he is. >> the calls i hate to make are where this hams, soldiers are killed t. traditional way if you look at president obama and other presidents, most of them didn't make calls, a lot of them didn't make calls. wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say, get that son of a bitch off the field right now? out, he's fired. they don't use the word quist mass because it's fought politicalty correct. you go to department stores and they'll say, happy new year. we're saying merry christmas again. what the prosecutor should be looking at are hillary clinton's 33,000 deleted e-mails. i think there's blame on both sides. you look at both sides. i think there is blame on both side. you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. >> that was the klan rally in
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charlottesville. while he keeps his base fired up, it's unclear if these will help him enact his agenda, according to politico, the seeming distractions are the president's substance and the legislative agenda wis prhis predecessors for in is a diversion. online journal and corinne pierre on let's talk about the fact that donald trump remishmi relishes fight, we know that, nixon an reagan liked a fight. his are almost unculture, who is demonstrating down in charlottesville, in virginia, who is saying the wrong thing or protesting the wrong way at an nfl game or an issue he is having with this congress woman down in florida. it seems to me he would rather do that, get up in the morning and argue a culture issue than argue about what's in medicaid expansion, or what's going to be
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in the tax package, or anything that do with foreign policy, even he just relishes the culture fight. and in sometimes, the ethnic fight, it's an ethnic fight, too. >> he relishes the fight for sure. there is a sense in which the bigger battle is cultural not political. right. it's the idea that politics is downstream from culture. i think donald trump innately senses that so he goes right for that. why? because he's trying to appeal sure to his base but to a broad middle class. i think he senses on these issues like the flag or these other things that there is a constituency out there listening to him, sure, he will engage that he starts to talk about the details of medicare part d people tune out. >> why does he need to keep that the range war, in fronteer hot all the time. he gets up, fights again. he never seems to want a calm front, where you can talk about taxes or health care. he seems to want the culture war. funny with this congresswoman, he loves this fight.
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she may like it too, for all i know, i don't know the congresswoman. they both seem to want it to go. i see with over the nfl players, he's not going to stop, he's talking about christmas, i don't mind that argument. i can see that culture war on both sides, why is he fighting about merry christmas in october? he's looking for trouble. what do you think? >> chris, i call at this time tribal cultural war because it's really speaking to his, that very distinctive small -- >> christians? >> exactly. that's what he's dock, what he's trying to do, he wants to anger enough, right, that those folks, those white males, who feel like, who tapping into their anxiety, jenning up racism and anti-phobia and racism. this is what he does. >> i'm not sure about that. >> he doubles down on it. when you look at nazis, stopping on the streets of charlottesville and in florida
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when the chartsville happened, he said very nice thing. >> that's not intention am the other is intention am. >> that monday when he talked about obama and past presidents and how they treated fallen soldiers the day before rex tillerson was doing interviews the moron stories the adult centers, so he was trying to also distract. he was trying to change the narrative. >> you are an expert on this, chris, you write the people that are interested in this. i was thinking trump want toss get 38% and hold onto it. always pulse he has about 38%, about 38. if he keeps them with the red meat flying, sometimes there is a hot cultural issuing patriotism, do you neil, do you stand, he likes this fight. if he holds 38 come 2020 he can pick up another five and attacking his opponents.
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that's all he needs in the electoral college, i think it's calculated. fight the culture war, people won't worry about taxes or infrastructure or medicaid exactly because they'll be with you on the culture side. i think that's his calculation, you agree? >> in part, you want to dance with the those that brung you, you want to keep the base on your side, i don't think donald trump views the politics in racial terms, he's looking at class terms. >> so the players he fights with are all african-americans? it's an accident this congress woman is african-american? >> i think that's neither here for him, this is a middle class issue, it's a mid-le class country. >> he took the side of the white supremacis supremacists in charlottesville. >> he was talk about with the nfl respect for the flag. >> human behavior in life. he's not complaining about the flack, he's complaining about the players. >> he's complaining about their
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actions, not the players as people, the actions he felt were disrespectful, i think that resonates with a lot of people. >> i agree it resonates, it has a racial platform. >> just an example, a week ago, ten days ago, eminem a white rapper from detroit scathingly attacked, destroyed donald trump we haven't heard anything from donald trump going after eminem, not at all. to your question. >> your point is he doesn't want that fight? >> he didn't want that fight. it's easier for him to dehumanize people of color. you see that over and over. he does that with his policies, to your point about the 2020 election the problem there is yes i agree he is trying to hold on to that 38%. he is going to be president now. no a candidate. he has to run for re-election. i worked on a few presidential campaigns and it is hard to be the incumbent. >> one thing i want to say the congresswoman, i don't know her, she's a woman on the progressive side of plucks in florida. >> that thing habit the empty
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barrel, that is not a racist statement i grew up with the nuns, they say your empty barrels make the biggest noise. it's not a race, i'll score one point for the other side, thank you for coming on tonight. up next, new reporting that president trump, himself, is interviewing u.s. attorney candidate, why would he care? well the very people that could eventually investigate him and charge him with obstruction of justice, this is "hardball," where the action is. dad: molly! trash! ( ♪ ) whoo! ( ♪ ) mom: hey, molly? it's time to go!
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. >> i'm richard liu in the msnbc news roop, the faa is posing a ban on laptops in luggage. they are subject toic plosion due to lithium batteries. a fraction of the 250 beds aboard the hospital usms comfort are currently being used. in las vegas, hundreds turned out for the funeral procession for an off duty police officer killed in this month's mass shooting. now, back to "hardball." ♪ welcome back to "hardball." with the russian investigation posing a looming threat, democrats say it looks like trump is looking to pick his own prosecutors, according to split core quote, trump has personally interviewed two potential candidates for u.s. attorney positions in new york t. critics
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say it raises questions about whether they can be sufficiently independent from the president. well, president trump is considering the candidates for the eastern and southern districts of new york state the latter of which has jurisdiction over trump tower. while the presidents that power to nominate u.s. attorneys, they typically do not interfere or interview perspective candidates. he does. richard blumenthal tom told him for him to be interviewing candidates for that prosecutor who may in turn consider whether do bring charges, that's interference, he met with the district of colombia before nominating her to the post. i am joined by politico sun moon kim and a former attorney. thank you and congratulations, i didn't know this. can you tell us how you find this out? >> thank you for that compliment. >> i don't know your trade craft. how did you know he is personally meeting with candidates to be u.s. attorney,
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prosecutor in new york, which affects all his business affairs and if d.c. which obstructs justice the only ones he seems to be interested in. >> the one i can talk about is the senate judiciary committee the nominee versus to go through to get confirmed has been asking the u.s. attorney candidates who have been formally nominated who did you meet with regarding your nomination, did you meet with anyone from the white house? so with miss jesse liu until nated earlier in june when she had splitted her qfr questions for the committee, that was when we learned about the meeting. >> one of these names, do they come from the bar association the federal society for republicans? where do the candidates come from? how does the president know who to think about? >> basically it's in consultation with our home senators. >> how come few are democrats? >> that gets interesting with the new york positions, considering there are two democratic senators there, there
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were, traditionally white houses work with the two home state senators who that intern worked with local communities, a lot have commissions that recommend people to come up with a consensus list of nominees. >> okay. let me go to joyce on this, what do you make of the president of the united states vetting candidates for prosecutor? >> you know, it's a terrible idea, chris, it may not violate a law we can point to, but politics and prosecution don't mix and this is a slippery slope to eroding the justice department's independence. this is the type of process that you would expect to see an attorney general push back strongly against, suggesting to the president nothing good happens when the public starts to have questions about the independent prosecutor. >> so it's session's job to tell him, don't do this? >> you wouldn't normally sew a president to do it. it's a long-standing tradition in democratic and republican administrations there is no contact.
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>> attorney general jeff sessions said on wednesday he didn't know if the interviews had taken place, he defended the right to meet with candidates. >> i'm not sure if he interviewed for new york, but few say so i assume so, and he has the right to, but for sure, because he has to make an appointment. and i assume that everybody would understand that. >> well, lefrtt's start with yo. it seems every one of these candidate attorneys know what trump did with james comey, they read the paper, i assume their cog my zants with reality, he was a loyalist whether he was going to defend him. they walk in the room with the president. they know the question that's implicitly on his minds, are you going to be with me? isn't that already tainted? . >> we don't know the content. especially with the ones we reported on, we don't know the contebt of that discussion just yet. >> we knew what they knew going in, the president vetted james
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comey on his loyalty, fired him. >> i don't know what that d.c. prosecutor, who was confirmed unanimously, democrats did not throw up objections against the nomination when democrats cyd did a follow-up questionnaire, they asked specific questions, did you talk, did anyone talk to you about any current ongoing investigations into the cabinet, into the trump family and to the administration? she said, none of that was raised. >> what do you make of this? there is a context, candidates for u.s. attorneys know what's going on, they know the president wants to know whether you are loyal or not. he went through this proel whole process with james comey, when he didn't get the right answers, he sacked them. they walk into these enter views knowing this. >> that's exactly the problem here, even if nothing took place in these interviews, the public will question the press will question it. >> i will question it. if they don't bring charges on trump on his business relations and tax returns and all the rest and it looks spooky, wait a
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minute, he picked this judge. >> prosecutors need to steve the people not the president. that's what is being eroded here. >> great story here, you tell me something i didn't know. i think we ought to know this. up next, party elders on both sides of the aisle are taking on president trump and his divisive brand of politics, everyone is looking at it is taking shots at the president on his behavior, not all saying they are talking about. of course, joe biden not being nuanced said he's talking about trump. that's next with the "hardball" roundtable. you are watching "hardball."
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. >> if you have to win a campaign by dividing people, you're not going to be able to govern them. you won't be able to you fight them later if that's how you start. >> bullying and prenl dis in our public life sets -- prejudice in
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our public life sets a national tone, provides a mission for cruelty and bigotry t. only way to pass along civic values is to live up to them. >> those were former presidents obama and bush taking on presidents, obviously, not by name, in a bipartisan unity, both men spoke thursday sending poignant messages about president trump's influence on politics in this country. let's listen to more. >> at a time when our politics just seems so divided and so angry and so nasty, why are we deliberately trying to misunderstand each other and be cruel to each other? >> we've seen our discourse degraded by casualty cruelty. >> we got folks who are deliberately trying to make folks angry. to demonize people with different '80s. >> argument turns too easily to
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an moss di. >> folks don't feel good proprietary now about what they see. they don't feel as if our public life reflects our best. >> at times it can seem like the forces pulling us apart are stronger than the forces bindsing us together. >> let's bring in the requested hardball" roundtable, a capital reporter for usa today and jeremy peters a reporter for the "new york times," brian bennett white house reporter for the los angeles times, elizza, you are young, this is fairly unusual to have these grandize jumping on the currents president as if he's the outsider. he's the bad guy. >> right. george w. bush did not criticize obama and they were in different parties when obama was in officer the fact that he is criticizing a member of his own party, they doing it the same day, they brought up a lot of the same points, these using the same words like cruel, it's
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interesting. >> what drivers them around here to do this? >> i think some of the di vice it comments the way trump handled charlottesville, the immigration he brought up. he was a pro-immigration president and trump won on and anti--immigration campaign and the daca stuff, he removed it. >> how about the fact that the trump residency is a total repudiation of the bush years, literally, this is not george one. bush's father's republican party anymore. trump ran on getting us out of bush wars. he ran on withdrawing the united states from this global community that you know against this idea -- >> his father calm up with nafta. >> exactly. >> we see it develop now. >> both bushes had the united states as a leader of a global community. there are many inside the trump administration, chris who reject the idea that there even is such a thing as a global community.
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>> yes, it's quite remarkable these two past presidents came out this way t. reason is trump ran on a campaign to completely upset the the apple cart when it came to the two parties. he has tried to dismantle the major initiatives the iran deal and obamacare. when it comes to bush, he has tried to repudiate as jeremy said the bush wars and get us out of our -- >> it's so interesting that the two parties can be capsulized as something they can agree on across the board, so many things, trade and everything else, global around the world and our idea of deposit. and the current president is outside that box. anyway, former vice president joe wide were, not the most subtle man, also issued and asse assessment of president trump, in this case by name. >> there are certain basic norms
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and he zuns, the ones he understands he tries to break down this penchant for self agrandizement and this penchant for tweeting, this penchant to focus so specifically and internally on what he does or doesn't do. >> he, he, he's talking about trump, as if to drive that point home this morning, president trump tweeted, just out, report, united kingdom crime rises 13% annually amid spread of radical islamic terror, not good. we must keep america safe. on thursday, president trump offered this thought, on the administration's response to the recovery in puerto rico. . >> i'd say it was a ten. i give ours a ten. >> you know, i mean, it's cartoonish. i'm sorry, it's cartoonish. it's interesting as i said all these grandize of the parties, these older statesmen are all
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agreeing on everything that they agree against trump on. it's colossal. >> but these older statesmen the base that elected trump doesn't like these older statesmen no matter what is in front of their party that or in front of their names. i don't think who trump is appealing to doesn't like joe biden or george bush or obama in is his 38th% the 38letth parallel, will it hold? >> i think it goes occupy, george w. bush lashes out at donald trump. i think donald trump's base lovers that. i went to and i vent last night laura ingram was speaking, including her new book t. first thing she did was tear in george w. bush for what he said yesterday and the crowd loved it. so they benefit from it. >> they were yelping around cheering on that war in iraq for w. and cheney, they're all a part of that. how can they skip away from that? they're probably innage large t
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pribl for trump winning. it's out of bannon's playbook. >> bannon said when he came into donald trump's campaign, look, as long as you play on the identity politics field and you push the democrats into that arena, you will expands your base, keep your base and with inthis election. donald trump has continued to do that when it came to charlottesville, he pushed against the race issue, when it came to the. in and players kneeling against the national anthem, he pushed against that this is a concerted effort to mobilize his base and keep them energize and every day win the news cycle on those terms. >> i think at route 40 the cocktail restaurants on the state roads, they're cheering him on. a second speech on thursday, president bush echoed the words of senator john mccain earlier in the week. let's watch. >> to fear the world we've organized and led three-quarters of a century to abandon the ideals we have advanced around
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the globe to refuse the obligations of international leadership, and our duty to remain the last best hope of earth, for the sake of some half-baked, skurious nationalism, cooked up by people who would rather find scapegoats than solve problems. >> we have seen the return of isolationist sentiments, forgetting that american security is directly threatened by the chaos and despair of distant places. >> what do you think, elizza that half-baked nationalism, he's sticking it to steve bannon and the whole sort of think, the thought that goes behind trump, that there is one. >> mell well, mccain is someone who has been critical of trump all along, but talk about someone riling up the base and by criticizing trump the base hates mccain. a lot of the republican party right now is frustrated with him, remember, he was that no vote that suffering the obamacare repeal. right. >> i think he's waiting in the
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bushes to do it to the tax cut. i think he's waiting. >> it's a concern. >> true to form. >> he's not going down as the 50th republican. he's going down as a maverick. that's my bet. you agree? do you think john mccain wants to be one of the 50 in the senate, he wants to be a maverick. the roundtable is sticking with us. coming up, these two will give us scoops for tomorrow, something to talk about over the weekend. they're coming up with it. this is "hardball." this is where the action is. which marks the start of our nation's first 50-mile unmanned flight corridor. and allows us to attract the world's top drone talent. all across new york state, we're building the new new york. to grow your business with us in new york state, visit
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>> i'm with you. with them. >> steve bannon and his band of revolutionaries declare war on the republican party. that puts donald trump in an awkward position and he needs to decide whether or not he's going to endorse some of the candidates that may be more ideologically in step with them. in the coming weeks and making endorsements, and come down. i think there will be some surprises in there. >> pro-bannon or anti-? >> i think a mix. >> watch investigation ambush. donald trump didn't talk about this for 12 days after it happened and the investigations are looking into it. we're hearing that the military wants to know that french forces were attacked in the same area but the information wasn't relayed to the special forces unit that are operating there. >> e liza, thank you, jeremy peterson.
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this will be trump's benghazi. when we return, let me finish tonight with an event that happened 50 years ago tomorrow. the same day, saturday too. david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance..." through the tuition assistance program, every day mcdonald's helps more people go to college. it's part of our commitment to being america's best first job. ♪
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let me finish with an event that occurred october 21st, 1967. a saturday. on that day, the national mobilization committee to end the war in vietnam organized the march on the pentagon. a crowd of 70,000 showed up on the washington mall in front of the lincoln memorial. among the speakers were dr. benjamin spock, norman and robert law. the folk singer phil famous for
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anti-war ballot such as, what are you fighting for? once the demonstration on the mall ended 50,000 women, men and children walked to the department of defense headquarters. it was my first large scale anti-war event. what i recall from that sparkling saturday was the smell of trampled grass, the law in kind. the innocence of the young parents pushing baby strollers and the young nuns with the prevailing good cheer of the vast crowd. whatever politics, old or new, were being prost letized. i found myself increasingly engaged at the pentagon parking lot. the u.s. military, the infantry exercising crowd control that struck me as unnecessarily provocative and at that moment, i understood how you can find yourself caught up in mob psychology. i saw good people being treated as if they were bad people, which they clearly were not and they knew it. these were the early days of the
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anti-war movement when it was innocent and hopeful. sadly, for our country, and tragically for those involved, our leaders kept this in the fighting for five more years and so many more deaths and so much more bitterness. and that's hardball for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hays" starts now. debunking the kelly attack. >> even someone that empty a barrel, we were stunned. >> the white house chief of staff caught in a lie and there's video to prove it. >> didn't tell the truth and he needs to stop telling lies on me. >> congressman fredricka wilson's speech in its entirety as president trump's gold star family fire storm erupts again. plus. >> have you seen the speech? >> i have. >> the jaw dropping white house response when


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