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>> there are other ways to serve. i love the state of arizona. i would love to serve in other capacities or do other things. i'm certainly going to be speaking up on these topics. we have to as a country. we have big issues and challenges that we need to solve. and i've been very concerned snflt bill bradley was a rumored challenger until he decided not to do it. did he run five years later. "the beat" starts now. >> thank you. a breakthru in the russia case today. they asked julian acitibank coordinating a political effort to release hillary clinton's deleted e-mails. you may remember it was july 9 when "the new york times" changed everything by claiming that the cell lynn linked lawyers offered help to trump tower. today october 25th, could mark another key day in these
exposures. with this report, that trump's digital operation asked julian assange directly for help naflt new report. woodruff saying there is the closest known connection between trump's campaign and assange. julian assange claiming to be a publish we are the same rights as any other news organization. there is a finding that russian military intelligence related material to wikileaks as a conduit. it is an explosive move if they asked asergeant to coordinate on releasing e-mails and it shows potential intent if he finds that related crimes occur. let's be clear. nbc news has not obtained the e-mails cited in this report. and often these stories include denials but tonight i can tell that you julian assange's
response where he addresses the claim, says no denial. he says we can confirm an approach by cambridge analytica. so for the first time julian assange confirming that donald trump's team approaching him and he rejected it. the report that the trump campaign was going to these lengths for clinton's 30,000 e-mails puts this claim from donald trump in a new light. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> remember, when donald trump made that bizarre statement in july 2016, it caused shock waves that were even too much for trump. a candidate who never retracts anything. he came out and he then personally insisted that what you just saw wasn't him asking russia to find the e-mails. and while his words literally
said that, they were sarcastic. >> when i'm being sarcastic. of course i'll being sarcastic. but you have 33,000 e-mails deleted. >> sarcastic. >> today is one of those days that sheds a lot of light. the public defense at the time there, donald trump in that fox news interview, is that he wasn't really asking for help on the e-mails. today we learned privately, his digital team was really asking for help on the e-mails. and in such a serious way, such a serious level, that julian assange said he did reject the sxroech this of course this wasn't a typical team. it was led by steve bannon who used to sit on the board and hold a multimillion-dollar stake as well as robert mercer. while the u.s. government has never publicly charged assange with any claims, he says it runs
the hostile service and cites that edward snowden, a leaker, who donald trump used to criticize in the harshest terms. >> he's a terrible guy. i said it right from the beginning. this guy is a bad guy. and there is still a thing called execution. >> tonight, the trump campaign responds saying, we as campaign made the choice to rely on the voter data of the rnc to help donald trump. he claims the data from any other source played a key role in the victory are false. a key role. we'll talk about that in a moment. the general election campaign at 110 days. we just looked this up. donald trump cited wikileaks 137 times. portraying an interest in the site that we can see trickled down to his digital team. >> this just came out. this just came out. wikileaks. i love wikileaks. >> we see so much from these wikileaks. >> wikileaks? did you hear this?
>> wikileaks. unveils horrible, horrible things about hillary clinton. >> boy that wikileaks has done a job on her, hasn't it? >> betsy woodruff broke this story. let me start with this. why did donald trump's secret team contact assange in. >> according to the team with two sources of not in the congressional investigation, alexander nicks, the trump campaign paid millions of dollars to for work that it conducted during the election system, nicks himself said that he reached out to assange in hope that's cambridge analytica would be able to help assange public and distribute 30,000 e-mails that have reportedly been deleted from the private server she used while she was secretary of state. those were something of a great white whale for republicans during the election. all sorts of republicans were
desperate to find them. there was a host of theories as to what could be in them. there were lots of efforts to track them down. those efforts were going on in the trump campaign to the the spent the alexander nicks, the ceo of a data firm, specifically offered to help assange distribute those e-mails. >> after you went to press, they are not denying the core of your report. >> exactly. that statement i thought was quite telling. what it says is, it is an effort by the trump campaign to distance themselves from cambridge an will theica. i've been reporting on them for quite some time and one thing hear frequently from talking on republican inside here's are familiar with the way this firm works is that it doesn't have a great reputation in media circles and in data analytic circles. and something i've heard from folks who were on the inside of the campaign, is that cambridge
analytica vastly overstated work did it for the trump campaign during the election cycle. that raises some questions. why was the trump campaign paying millions of dollars to a data firm when wasn't a key player in its own data operation? according to the statements from folks inside the campaign. so the efforts to distance themselves from cambridge analytica, milquetoast as best. >> thank you. >> you covered the white house. >> you look at this report. the direct request to work assange, his denial, his rejection of the request, confirming that it happened. and late tonight, the trump campaign not denying it either. connect the dots. >> it is really a shocking development. what you have is an american who is obviously at an important
role within the trump campaign offering to commit a crime. essentially what he's saying is, i hope, or i believe you have these hacked e-mails. i would love to distribute those for you. i'm not telling your viewers anything new by saying hacking into a server in the united states is a crime. here you have someone saying, i want to work with you on that. if an agreement was reached. we don't know that. he made an offer to assange who is of dubious veracity. someone i wouldn't necessarily believe but he claims he rejected that offer. at the very least you have someone offering to commit a
crime. and that's pretty serious when it is the president of the united states campaign. >> and the investigation we know in the russia probe in congress which was a public reference by former trump adviser roger stone about assange. take a listen to roger stone who didn't go as publicly as this. >> i think julian assange a hero. i have not spoken with him. i have not met with mr. assange and i never said i had. we communicated through an intermediary. >> there was no intermediary. this was refusing to deny this direct discussion. >> absolutely. and there are some real important threads that need to be pulled. i take a little more restrained view. i don't think we've crossed over that path from campaign activity that's lawful to awful to conduct that's clearly criminal.
but what investigators will want to do is take a look at the time line. we know that cambridge analytical was hired in 2016. we know that this occurred at some point in that same month. then we have the trump comment in july. so the devil will be in the details. it will be the sequence in which these events occurred. and most importantly, whether or not nicks was communicating with someone in the campaign. the e-mails are not reported to be from anyone in the campaign staff but there will be more that prosecutors will have access to and this could play very badly and move beyond trump world involvement in russia. >> we do have the candidate who stood up there and said, hey,
vladimir putin, russia, help me find these e-mails. i have the prosecutors for the wall. let's talk the politics here. this campaign statement is remarkable. not only does it not deny outreach the julian assange for the e-mails, not only does it not deny that. it says cambridge didn't play a key role. you don't need to be a lawyer to know that role and key role are not the same thing. >> they were paying this firm. however you want to qualify it. they were paying this firm millions of dollars and that's what is important. and alexander nicks is close to the mercers who were the big
funders behind bannon and trump. it seems like every time we hear about one of these, roger stone and julian assange, there's always another one that comes out. and regardless of what we find out from the actual meetings, that information was weaponized. it wasn't the 30,000 e-mails but it was wikileaks. i remember it distinctly because i was in a tv newsroom ready to go on and talk about "access hollywood." it was hours later that the first e-mails were dumped and they are laid out. the president can't have it both ways. he can't talk about it 137 times and then at the end claim that it had no effect. so the we're going to talk about
the definition of collusion and the different meetings. not the 30,000 e-mails but the weaponizing. >> and how will they look at these contakts and how does intent play in? if you say i want to work someone and they say no, how does that help you? >> this is incredibly helpful to prosecutors. as bunch, they tend to believe where there's smoke, there's fire. there are russian contacts in every direction you turn. now they ran the data operation for trump. and he is receiving out to assange, showing this willingness to help. if that can be linked back to key players in the campaign, then intent will become a foregone conclusion.
>> and briefly, paul manafort is under the gun here. what do we know about how he figures into these probes? >> that's the big money aspect. and that's the reason why you see mueller staffing one so many crimes attorneys. and the line leading to essentially money laundering being one of the possible charges. the two people at the epicenter are paul manafort and michael flynn. and it comes down to what money was being traded behind the scenes and the financial gain. and i think this is one threat and one possible line of charges that he could be coming up against. >> and he's famous for multimillion-dollar deals over decades. he offered to work for the trump
campaign for free. now we see julian assange confirming for the first time. we know you as russian expert. there are more and more rumors about you potentially running for attorney general in illinois? are you close to making that decision? when will you make it? >> i think i will be making a decision tomorrow. so everyone should stay tuned to msnbc tomorrow and look at my twitter and facebook and i'll have more details. >> so you're going to decide whether you're in or out of the race tomorrow. >> yes. >> making a hint of news. thank you for your reporting. coming up, the trumpification of the gop on. what is behind these new republican investigations into history of the obama administration.
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two top republican senators said they can no longer abide donald trump largely because he's untruthful. today, donald trump responded by claiming the senate was a love fest. >> i called it a love fest. it was almost a love fest. maybe it was a love fest. standing ovations. there was tremendous unity in that room. and we're really unified on what we want to do.
>> i don't think they do that. i know that they want tax cuts. they know we need it. i don't think they do it. i don't know flake very well but i know bob corker. i think they would do it. i think they feel they have to do it for the country. >> here's how congressman jim himes explained it last night on "the beat." >> it is far from true that they're the only ones who feel that way. and they will accept that up when they're not retiring. a handful who are opposed and then the vast bulk. 200 or so republicans on the spectrum between uncomfortable. and that's probably the best of it. they're appalled but not willing to say much. >> to paraphrase the rendition of general patton, you don't win in politics by ending your own career to make a point. you win by getting some other
career to end. they will only win when they can do it and win primaries. with me now, executive director and author of trump nation. the author of the book, the road not taken. and the paraphrase, this is a step, this is leadership. they're widely praised for it. and yet i wonder what you think about the need to turn this leadership into a winning strategy to beat trump and trump's allies in primaries. >> i think this is beginning of something. i think it is incredibly important that senator flake and senator corker are out there telling the truth. and the situation where the entire republican party is being taken over by fake news, where
they are buying this alternative universe, concocted by donald trump, to speak the truth. it is a radical act. and there is no question that they've seen that out against trump in the last week. they are a small minority. but there have been others, in the 1930s, a very small minority like winston churchill said appeasement was a dishonorable strategy. and in the 1950s, people said segregation wasn't an honorable way. and in the 1950s most people thought joe mccarthy was a good guy who would smoke out these communists. >> you think this is at that level? you're making serious allegations. do you think it is at this level? >> i don't think we've ever seen
anybody as dangerous or unfit for office as donald trump. i think it is long overdue and highly welcome that members of his own party are starting to speak the truth about what he is all about. yes, they are a small minority but i suspect it will be very different than republicans today. i think anybody who supported donald trump has a lot to answer for. has the guy who cannot be twruftd the office to which he has been trusted. i believe they'll be vindicated. he talks about history here. the saying in hip hop is the streets is watching. and history is watching. >> among the many things i
admire is that as he principled conservative. i think what you see in the republican party is this cris and values, morals and principles. the party isn't defining what is conservatism in the age of trump. it is split between populist swing and more traditional republicans. that's the vacuum trump has filled. and you can call it the trumpification of the party. i think it doesn't reach back far enough. we saw in it sarah palin's ascent. you can go back to barry gold water. >> why would you want to? >> it is always important to study history. >> the difference with trump is how unfettered his ambitions are, making sure the party is
cohesive. it is all about himself. >> i want to ask max about this. gold water told the country, the pursuit of liberty is no vice when it is extreme. and i wonder if in trump's party, it has no edge or extreme. he doesn't seem to understand that he's confused it. >> for donald trump, it is all about donald trump. i don't think anyone can think he has the slightest interest in policy affairs. and he starts to talk about health care and taxes. he displays vast ignorance. he wants wins so he can boost
his ego and brag about how people are giving him standing ovations as he just did. something that really radically separates him from other people could you mention like barry goldwater. he was a serious guy who had real principles and donald trump has no principles. no skrooples, no morals. he will say or do anything to advance his own interests. >> i don't think who we're seeing in donald trump right now is new. i am less optimistic that the speech is a water shed moment. i think until people speak out publicly, it is important. but symbolic. >> and fight until the end. mccain msnbc had a tough primary in the same state but he is different character. there is this question whether he'll wage on and fight. i do appreciate you ending on a
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the trump dossier and the handling of the clinton e-mail case. one of the questions we ask is, but why? each of these topics, very dated. republicans held the house during the obama administration. could have launched all of these when he was in office. today several independent experts pointing to part of the answer of why old news is new
again. >> a new russian collusion probe in washington. >> a major bombshell unveiling who helped with the dossier. >> the justice department's handling of the clinton e-mail investigation. >> this very corrupt uranium deal that compromised all of our national security. >> democracy is on the line. >> will the networks cover this investigation it's with the sweaty exuberance they covered with the collusion? >> i have some sweaty exuberance for you right here. >> i will be the exuberantly sweaty anchor bringing up these issues and you will be the respectable member of congress. but i just can't make heads or tails of why this would even look useful. i worked a little in the body that you serve. how does this work when all of
these things are old. clinton e-mail, really? >> it looks like the republicans are trying very hard to impeach hillary clinton. but she's not the president. she is a private citizen. it is a waste of funds to go after a private citizen. we should be fg after our current president. like why did four trumans die in niger. >> david has theory. >> similar to what i think independent critics would say, they're not about clinton e-mail. they're not about uranium are. they are like a bank shot. like far loopy bank shot to try to get mueller. take a listen. bob mueller, the current
investigator on the so-called russian investigation but b the trump campaign, which was completely fabricated. there needs to be someone else. >> your response? >> actually, i think the real reason the republicans are launching the stupid investigations, is like, look at the shinly object. they're trying to distract. and that's why they're really doing it. they know that every week there's something really bad about donald trump and they want the public to pay attention to something else. >> so how are democrats going to approach these queries? >> democrats will resist and fight the queries. it is very interesting that the committee with which i sit is looking again at clinton e-mails. i am going to demand to look at the private e-mails of ivanka
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while donald trump calls attention to his feuds, last night his administration gutted a key rule on wall street. this may be the worst thing the trump administration does this week and notice how much of the volume is lower for this move than, say, trump's twitter tirades. but we do see you. here's what he donald trump promised on the campaign trail. >> i will your voice! >> i am not going to let wall street get away with murder. wall street has caused tremendous problems. i've been talking about it very strongly. certain things they want and they want it badly and it is not fair to give it to they will. that was 2016. here's 2017 on your right. you see mike pence last night casting the tie breaking vote, protecting bankers from
collective lawsuits. quite a contract. they are designed to pool power against banks. this obama era rule from the consumer group that elizabeth warren pioneered was supposed to empower consumers. it all came out of the bill. with me now, the former chairman of the committee. you helped write this. was it important, what mike pence did last night? >> absolutely. it is appalling. you have what wells fargo did to people. other banks that may have abused people. what mike pence did, other republicans including bob corker, john mccain, what they did was to protect wells fargo
effectively against any ability about those that they harmed to get back at them. very often the amount that you may have been hurt is a few hundred dollars. that may happen several times. you can't get it done. what you have been able to do, would have been able to do under the rule put forward, is to get a bunch of people together to sue. that would have given the deterrent to people and would have allowed them to bear the costs. instead, it is about arbitration. i was with, she noted 9% of the arbitrations go for the agreed consumer. donald trump, yes, he lies a
lot. i can't think of a lie he's told as blatant as this one. he has not done one thing to hem in wall street and he has given them a lot of what they want. his campaign promise to rein in wall street ranks among the biggest lies. >> and this affects people, the pocket book. here are some of your form he congressional colleagues. >> this is just one of many issues. we're they know powerful against the powerless. >> this bill is a giant wet kiss to wall street. president trump, are you really going to let mike pence cast a tie breaking vote to hand bid banks their biggest win in
congress since they crashed the economy? >> do you view this as proof positive to trump supporters, who said it was about wall street, that that is over as of last night? >> if it was a cat it would have been dead nine times over. there are some who are committed to him whose anger at various groups is so deep that nothing he does has an effect. but anybody paying attention, yes. this is late. in a series of his undermining everett effort we made to protect the consumer. and i want to make an important point. sometimes it is fashionable to condemn both parties. this was a unanimous democratic effort to protect the consumer. and only 2 of the 52 republicans broke. of the 100 senators who voted,
98 voted on party lines. i mope people remember this. the republican party, including the rebels, including jeff flake, bob corker, voted to just hammer the consumer yesterday and take away the only weapon they would have had to defend themselves against a particular sort of abuse. >> you make that point. you call it a weapon and a lot of people would say it is a shield. an ability for consumers to stand up to the banks in court. they can still win in those cases. and yet this was a rule to protect them from ever having to stand up in open court. >> it is a grant of immunity so they can abuse the consumers and pay no price for it. still ahead, the trump dossier. i will be separating the facts
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. there's a strange theme emerging, calling trump a child with baby sitters. >> i've had personal meetings, personal dinners, personal phone calls. when the staff has asked me to intercede on something that would happen and it was not good for the country. >> others have said the general surrounding are the adults in the room. >> it almost looks like a defiant child who is trying to just, you know, test all the adults around him as much as he can. >> you have a president who is determined to signal, i don't want any adults in the room except me. >> and nothing makes him crazier
than there are responsible grown-ups who will contain him. >> it does seem the adults and the foreign policy team seems to be those people. >> welcome to the new nanny state. for whatever reason, this team of trump's infantile behavior has been with him a long time. it was 1999 when spy magazine portrayed him as a child with the line, little donald. today he's president. does depicting trump as a child surrounded by adults give him cover? i'm joined by the uc university professor and linguist. professor, unpack this frame for us. >> as soon as you say there are these adults in the room, it says that donald trump is a baby, a child. and that underestimates him tremendously. what it says he is that he is an innocent.
and he is anything but an innocent. it also says that he is not able to accomplish miss the. he isn't skilled. so he is very skilled. he is accomplishing huge amounts every day and it is important to understand that this is case. so what is he good at? he is very good at throwing tantrums. not uncontrolled tantrums like a kid but control tantrums to intimidate people. and he is very good at intimidating people that way. >> he also tweets, but his tweets are not uncontrolled tantrums. they are strategic. i've done an analysis of his tweets. and they are four types and strategies. i can get that if you like. in addition to that, he has accomplished incredible amounts. especially through his appointments. think of his quote accomplishments, getting rid of environmental regulations. getting rid of wall street
regulations. regulations on all sorts of things. every regulation is a protection. he said he wants to get rid of three quarters of the public protections and he's doing it. he is achieving it. and also -- >> let mepart. you've probed the way political language can even short circuit how we, as even citizens address our leaders. trump seems to play into this, as i think you're suggesting, here was him today, and if you listen closely, as i know you do to the words, he sort of suggests again in this self-infa self-infantalizing process, that he is just out here and things are just happening and he is just seeing things. which is, of course, not the true role of the president. take a listen. >> my generals and my military, they have decision-making ability. as far as the incident that we're talking about, i've been seeing it just like you've been seeing it. >> is it true that he's seeing
it just like everyone else, as if he's this passive? >> hardly. he is the commander in chief and he's said so repeatedly and he is in charge of what the military is and is not doing. and he doesn't want to take responsibility for what happened in niger. for the ambush of those four people, who were not protected when they should have been. >> and what do you make of the -- what do you make of who are the adults? the idea that people -- the generals now are the adults in this strange, long-running metaphor. >> well, what that does is militaryize the country. it says they're the only people who are knowledgeable, responsible, and have good judgment. and what that does is put the military in charge of having the judgment to carry out foreign policy and a lot of domestic policy, as well. that is extremely dangerous. you do not want to put any country in the hands of its
military. >> how do you, briefly, beat back a frame like this? >> how do you do it? you talk about very simply, the idea of government of, by, and for the people. it's very simple. lincoln said it. of means the same people who are in charge of the government, in the government, are outside. so there's no lack of communication. by means that the same life experiences of the people governing you are the same as the people who are governed. and for the people says that the government is there to protect and promote the well-being of all of its citizens. that is not what's going on right now. and it's not going on for a very interesting reason. he's not an innocent. he's not a baby. he's not passive. >> right. he's not a baby. he's not a baby! i mean, that is -- it's 2017 and that's where we're going to
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the trump dossier is back in the news along with lots of hype. so let's clear up fact from fiction. the dossier refers to a once-secret, now-leaked research files and alleged links between russia and donald trump. the funding and the origin of the dossier was revealed before the election. mother jones journalist david
conn corn reported that a former british intelligence officer began ono research originally financed by a republican client critical of trump. and then it switched to a client allied with the democrats. corn established a to the time the project was funded by trump's opponents, first in the gop primary and then in the general election. funding is a relevant thing to know, but it doesn't tell you whether the findings are true. nbc news has not confirmed many of the claims in the dossier. some, though, have been verified. the trump administration did seek kremlin help for business in russia exposed by e-mails from trump's lawyer, michael cohen. contacts between the russian government and former trump aides like carter paige and michael flynn did occur and are under scrutiny. but whether that trail leads to a trump conspiracy has not been determined by investigators. the public trail for the dossier runs back a full year. so that is the context for what's basically an incremental development in what we've learned, thanks to reporting
from "the washington post," which names the democratic funding source first referred to by mother jones last year. it turns out it was a lawyer named mark elias. he's worked for hillary clinton and previously for john kerry. he's kind of typically the democrat you'd logically expect to help the effort. a party insider. this revelation advances what we know a bit, but it doesn't fundamentally change the picture from a year ago. we knew the dossier was funded by trump opponents, in both parties. the big question, is whether it was true. today, donald trump claimed all of this is big because democrats allegedly denied it. >> i think it's very sad what they've done with this fake dossier. it was made up and i understand they paid a tremendous amount of money and hillary clinton always denied it, the democrats always denied it. and now only because it's going to come out in a court case, they said, yes, they did it, they admitted it. and they're embarrassed by it. >> embarrassment is an emotion,
harder to fact check that part. in his first press conference after the election, though, donald trump did bring up disputed claims in the dossier. >> i was in russia years ago with the miss universe contest, which did very well, moscow, the moscow area. did very, very well. and i told many people, be careful, because you don't want to see yourself on television. cameras all over the place. and again, not just russia, all over. does anyone really believe that story? i'm also very much of a ge germapho germaphobe, by the way. >> today david corn suggests that donald trump supporters are trying to undermine the dossier allegations. here's the bottom line, we always knew who paid for this portrait. the only question critical to the russia probe is whether the portrait is authentic or a forgery. and this ain't art. the answer will not be in the eye of the beholder. that does it for "the beat."
i'll see you back here tomorrow night, 6:00 p.m. eastern. and now stay tuned, because "hardball with chris matthews" is up next. gop mishigas. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. president trump is fighting back hard today against his republican detractors, trying to hold the new trump-dominated party together. yesterday, arizona senator jeff flake announced he would not run again and warned his fellow republicans the conduct of the president must not be counted as normal. the president responded in predictable fashion. >> he was against me from before he ever knew me. he wrote a book about me before i ever met him, before i ever heard his name. he came out with this horrible book.