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in the darkness of his heart. that's hardball for now, thanks for being with us. all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> team trump caught red handed. >> there is no collusion between me and my campaign and the russians. >> wikileaks admits, the trump campaign solicited stolen clinton e-mails from them. >> i love wikileaks. >> tonight, the new report and what it means for the investigation. then -- >> i actually think that's watergate, modern age. >> that relates to the real russia story. >> the conspiracy theory from an alternate universe aimed at taking down robert mueller. >> mueller has to be fired. plus senator elizabeth warren on the republican vote to gut consumer protections. >> i'm really glad to see someone like jeff flake speak up, but what really matters are
not words, it's the actions. >> and in the age of weinstein, o'reilly, and trump, an exclusive interview with jane fonda and gloria stein m when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. as the white house and allies furiously spend counternarratives about the russia scandal, wikileaks confirmed today that what was previously just conjecture. the trump campaign itself was soliciting stolen clinton e-mails. in the last few days, the president and associates and conservative media and on capitol hill have finally found what they say is the real russia story. evidence, according to them, that democrats and not the president are up to no good. they seized on a semiobscure seven-year-old uranium deal with russia that was approved by nine different agencies of the federal government and the revelation that the clinton campaign paid for research that eventually resulted in the infamous deal dossier.
the document detailing the president's alleged russia ties and some other stuff. and for the president who talked to reporters today outside the white house, those stories came as the ultimate vindication. >> what's your reaction -- >> i have to say the whole russian thing is what it's turned out to be. this was the democrats coming up with an excuse for losing an election. they lost it by a lot, they didn't know what to say, so they made up the whole russia hoax. now it's turning out that the hoax is turned around and you look at what's happened with russia, and you look at the uranium deal and you look at the fake dossier, so that's all turned around. >> all turned around. tables have turned, now you're sitting on the legs. but in order for any of that to make sense you have to ignore the central fact at the heart of the russia scandal. the reason it is a scandal in the first place. and this is really important. it is not that vladimir putin is a bad guy or that dealing with russia is inherently suspect,
it's that the u.s. intelligence community concluded with near absolute certainty that russian agents conducted criminal sabotage of the american election by stealing documents from one of the two campaigns in order to have them published. those documents were intended to damage the clinton campaign. and it worked. i was inside the hall in philadelphia at the start of the democratic convention days after the first dnc e-mails were published and i heard those bernie supporters booing and threatening to revolt. >> hillary. >> unity. unity. unity. >> hillary. >> the bernie -- can i just say to the bernie or bust people, you're being ridiculous. >> we all watched trump himself exploiting the releases on the campaign trail, making them a central, systematic part of his
pitch. >> oh, this is bad one. you need to have both a public and private position on public policy, awe. [ crowd booing ] in other words, we have to tell you one thing and we have to tell the bankers another thing. >> if you don't think those hacked e-mails, those stolen e-mails, those e-mails that were the result of criminal sabotage, if you don't think they made a difference, i suggest publishing the entirety of your own inbox to the internet in searchable forum and see how it changes your life. all along, the central question in the russia scandal, what the special council and the committees are pursuing has been what exactly russia did and how they pulled it off and whether the campaign that benefitted from their efforts was in on it. we don't know. did the trump campaign collude with the russian sabotage
operation? it is only through that lens, with those facts in mind that the multiple undisclosed contacts between trump associates and russian nationals looks suspicious. we don't particularly care that the president's son, son-in-law, and campaign manager met with some unknown russian lawyer. we care that they took that meeting on the promise of quote, information that would incriminate hillary, part of russia at it's government's support for mr. trump. we know that wasn't the only attempt to solicit material from russian sources because the president asked for russia's help in public. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. >> we now know the president wasn't alone. over the summer, the wall street journal reported that a republican operative who claimed ties to the trump campaign had been trying to get ahold of
hillary clinton's deleted e-mails, the ones she deleted that were personal from russian hackers. now it remains unclear whether that was a rogue operation. now it turns out the campaign itself was trying to get it's hands on those same stolen e-mails. according to to the daily beast, the head of an lit ka, the campaign's data firm, owned in part by steve bannon and the merciers wrote it reached out to wikileaks founder julian assange about the missing 0,000 e-mails. assange told the daily beast we can confirm and approach and can confirm it was rejected by wikileaks. congressman eric was a democrat from california, member of the house intelligence committee. congressman, what do you make of this revelation? >> good evening, chris. you know, without even going into our committee's investigation, the revelation from julian assange and wikileaks itself proves overwhelming evidence of an eagerness to work with the russians.
you have peter smith who was seeking these e-mails on behalf of general michael flynn. you have don jr. taking a meeting where the subject line was clinton, russia, private, confidential, he was offered information on hillary clinton. you have felix sader, who is close with vladimir putin telling donald trump's lawyer michael cohen that he himself can engineer the election for the president and we can get our boy elected. you have roger stone working with gooseifer and joule young assange. that was a concerted effort, people inside and out who are working with the campaign to work with the russians. we have proven at the very minimum an attempt to work with them. >> what we haven't proven and what we don't know is what they knew about what the russians were up to. that to me remain ascii, a key question here. and it doesn't seem like they cared either. >> no, the public profile is they don't care. >> yeah.
that's right. they were willing and eager to work with them, you know, as long as they had information that could help donald trump. >> do you worry, first of all, let me read this. the trump campaign is trying to distance itself and i feel duty bound to read their response. we as a campaign made the choice to rely on the ravens ravens to help help any claims that voter data played a key role. you can kwach a billion documentaries and how central it was to the campaign. does that wash to you? >> no, and chris, success, you know, has 1,000 fathers and, you know, failure or, you know, any scandal is an orphan and now they're trying to make an orphan out of cambridge. and months ago and the past year they lifted this up as a reliable outmaneuvering data firm that they had used. >> what do you think of the
efforts by the people on your own committee, the house intelligence committee and obviously under republican control to essentially start a kind of series of bizarre world investigations into the seven-year-old uranium deal of the clinton campaign, et cetera. >> yeah, well it was a great deal for the russians yesterday on capitol hill. they scored major victories when it was announced that three new investigations would be launched to go back in time and look again at hillary clinton. the best thing for the russians is they seek to undermine our elections in 2018 would be further disunity, but for us, the house democrats on the intelligence committee. we've seen these plays run before. we're not caught flat footed. we're going to county to charge ahead. >> are they acting -- do they believe what they're doing or acting in bad faith? >> i believe they're being obstructionists. i can't speak to their motives. i never will, but if you just look at what they're doing, it's an incuriosity at the very least
about what russia did and i think worse, they're serving as a accomplices to further undermining of our democracy. >> does the revelation that it was in fact the clinton campaign and the dnc paying for the research through gps, sort of law firm to christopher steele as he collected this information, does that change your assessment of either the credibility of document and the allegations contained therein or the possibility of trump colluding in the campaign colluding with russia. >> i think it's important to know, you know, who paid for the dossier, but i think it's just as important and probably more important to try and ascertain whether the allegations of the dossier are true because those actually go to our national security if it is true that candidate trump was working with the russians as well as people on his team, you know, that's a national security threat. and that's a person who could be compromised by a foreign adversary. i don't see the same interest and understanding, the underlying allegations, i've just seen an interest in
undermining the source of the dossier and the way it was put together. i think we should look at all components of the dossier. >> all right, congressman, great to have you. >> my pleasure. >> barbara is a former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan and former assistant special watergate prosecutor. barbara, let me start with you, what does it mean if you go to julian assange asking for e-mails that would by definition have to be to have been stolen. if they were deleted off her server, you can't leak them. so the idea is they were deleted, someone managed to hack the server and get ahold of them. what does it mean if you solicit that? >> well, i think it could very well be a violation of u.s. campaign finance laws. there are laws that make it a crime to solicit a thing of value in connection with election from a foreign national. julian assange certainly a foreign national, i think soliciting those things, they certainly had value could very well fall under that statute. i think the key question is what
the connection between the trump campaign and cambridge was at that moment. >> nick, i feel like i'm losing my mind a little bit as i watch all of this happen. i feel that often, but easy to have -- >> partly to have because of the fact pattern russia is so sprawling. there's charactering, and there's paul manafort and all of these people. that what i think they have sort of successfully been lost is what was the crime and the heart of it. >> the crime at the heart of it was trying to help trump get elected, exactly what ron goldstone said in the june 3rd e-mail, that's what they were doing. i mean, look at that will dossier. everything in there, i mean most of it has been corroborated, what hasn't been -- >> that's not true. i would not say most has been corroborated. >> it all rings true. if you're looking at it from the standpoint of what i usually do when i send out investigators, i'm trying to find -- >> is that something you do? >> all the time in litigations that i handle. so what you want to do is you want to look the the raw data
that you're getting which is what we have here. then you want to talk to the investigator, get a feel for who it was they were talking to. they're not going to put in writing exactly who the person was, they're not going to tell you what the background is, what other information they've gotten that makes that person credible, so as a lawyer, i'm talking to the investigator and i want to know that information. and i'm shurl the lawyers that commission that investigation did the exact same thing. >> so you, your assessment of the document doesn't change based on who paid for it? >> couldn't care less. i think what really matters is are the statements in there true? >> or can they be verified? >> and do they ring true? there is nothing in that dossier that does not ring true. >> well, i mean, that is a subjective matter. >> well, i wouldn't say to so because i think you can take other evidence that's out in the public record and show, even on the sexual allegations that are in there, you've got donald trump, you've got a woman that came forward during the campaign
and said that she was actor in adult films and that trump propositioned her, for money, to have sex. now, how is is that any different -- >> that was an allegation that was made. barbara, the other thing to me here is motive, right? i mean one of the thing that's happening is people are saying russia, russia connections. i mean, the point is that the russian involvement had a motive to achieve a certain end. >> well, yeah, i mean, it's quite clear that russia preferred the candidate donald trump to be president of the united states. and took action to further his campaign. the publishing of the stolen e-mails from the dnc, it's work through social media, the bond of advertisements, there appears to be a very strong motive by the russian government to help the candidacy of donald trump and so, you know, where does that leave our country? i think regardless of who our president is, i think all of us have an interest in making sure
that it's the american public who elects a president and not some foreign government. >> the other issue here is just the idea that you can imagine that there is no underlying collusion. they didn't realize. they maybe didn't -- could care if they wanted to care, but they didn't collude. then there's all of the ways in which they have lied, repeatedly, about connections with russian nationals that we keep saying over and over again, which has this kind of building incriminatory effect. >> which makes you think they did collude. why would they lie about it unless they did have something to cover up? i mean, look, this whole business about this uranium deal, about hillary clinton's e-mails, this is right out of the litigators handbook. the best defense is a strong offense. >> right. >> the problem here is this offense isn't worth squat. i mean, it really is the most bizarre offense. >> literally no you colluded with russia. >> no, and by the way, you have a quid pro quo for uranium deal
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explosive new evidence in the biggest scandal, one of them in american history, the biggest scandal ever involving russia. the biggest national security breach and russia's scandal in american history. >> for the past few weeks the conservative media, republicans on capitol hill, and the white house have been working together in a assembly line fashion to build virtually for nothing what they are calling quote the real russia scandal. >> in just enormity of what we're talking about now, this is a massive scandal. >> i have said, and i stand by this tonight, they sold out
america's national security. >> yes. >> what we are actually talking about is a seven-year-old uranium deal that nine government agencies approved with zero evidence of wrong-doing by hillary clinton. but if you consume conservative media as the president does apparently exclusively and millions of republicans do, you live in an alternate universe, one in which the lying mainstream media ignores the overwhelming evidence that hillary clinton sold us all out. as detailed, all this started with a steve bannon associate named peter swooitser who made the allegations in a publicized, error-filled 2015 book attacking clinton. >> i think that deserves further scrutiny. i would question that -- >> based on what? >> i think based on -- >> do you have any evidence that she actually intervened in this issue? >> no, we don't have direct evidence. >> seeking to distract from trump russia allegations, sean hannity seedsed on those accusing clinton of colluding with russia in 25 different
monologues. trump spotlighted this on the allegation trail, but didn't explode until last week when a pair of conservative journalists claimed russian nuclear officials paid off clinton to get their deal approved. now the story engaged in preposterous models. >> if the mainstream media would cover the uranium scandal and that russia has 20% of uranium for whatever reason and a lot of people understand what those reasons may be, i think that's your russia story. that's your real russia story. >> the real russia story. now yesterday the white house's chosen water carrier in congress devin nunez announced a probe into, get this, the seven-year-old deal, which in turn set off another round of breathless coverage in conservative media and a new pronouncement by the president. >> well, i think the uranium
sale to russia and the way it was done, so underhanded with tremendous amounts of money being passed, i actually think that's watergate modern age. >> and joined now by eric boller, senior writer at share blue, it is amazing to watch them build it in realtime. because it's been so fast. i've seen them do this before with other stuff, but just in the last few weeks, it was like okay, this is what we're doing. >> they're setting the groundwork and they got a spark and it exploded. i think, you know, trump gave an interview to fox today, that was his 19th since becoming president. so this is now, you know, people joke that fox's in-house propaganda, this is what it is, there's no question about it. >> it's also input and output. that's what's amazing about it. >> the capitol hill part, right, they have this infrastructure on capitol hill to create this, not distraction, this is a cover-up, they are covering up the trump/russia investigation by concocting these new investigations to look seven
years back. this is, you know, it's baffling, but it's also deeply disturbing and kind of aauthoritarian, they want to unleash the power of the federal government to prosecute a private citizen. i mean, we've said this 100 times since trump was elected, this is now out the united states functions in any sense of normalcy. >> it also, i watched -- i watched one of the programs on fox last night, and it was amazing to watch the beginning because it was, it was like -- it was sort of this truman show kind of thing where it had all the -- it was like here the congressman coming very sternly talking about this deal. here's the tear of the sheet, and you zoomed out, hillary clinton's president or what's going on, this deal just happened, but it's an incredibly effective alternate reality. >> the republican party is committed to protecting it's president. it's not committed to any truth-seeking or anything like this so you can pull this off, but yeah, if you widen the lens, she's not president.
the scary part is if she were president, we would have impeachment hearings next month base on the this scandal, no question. >> we would have had that. >> that's clear. it is very clear when you watch this they wish hillary clinton had won. >> yes. >> they wish she had won. >> this is the kind of the talk radio approach to governing. this is a acknowledgment they have punted on any policy, anything. they're not interested in getting anything done. they're going back to their villains and they're going to bring her back again from chap kwau and proper up as this is a witchhunt. literally in the dictionary sense. >> what are the odds that she gets dragged before a congressional committee? >> well, i think -- i don't know. i mean -- you know the good part is she is very powerful and has good attorneys, unleashing the federal government on other people, that is a scary thing. i guarantee you the next step though is calls for jeff sessions to appoint a special prosecutor. so then they'll have a pair tloel robert mueller and again, it's not a distraction, it's
part of a cover-up. >> finally, and to get rid of mueller. they're trying to taint mul per. >> can you imagine we have a special prosecutor of hillary clinton. >> hillary clinton. you're right. they're going to call for that next. eric boller, thanks if r your time tonight. senator elizabeth warren slams the vice president and senate republicans for giving a giant wet kiss to wall street. i'll talk to her about what happened, coming up.
and at about 10:00 last night, we got our answer. and it is, protecting banks. that's what unites them. last night republicans got 50 of their 52 members with vice president mike pence casting the tie-breaking vote to override a consumer-friendly rule that gives americans the ability to sue banks when they get screwed over either by banks or other financial institutions. as if to drive the point home, tom cotton showed up in a tuxedo to give wall street a little love from the senate floor. crazy day yesterday in which bob corker and jeff flake took a stand against the accesses of president trump, those same republicans voted yes on this bill because frankly that's what they went to capitol hill to do. stuff like this. stuff like override consumer protections. make it harder to sue banks that screw people over. but for the donors who fund the republican party, last night's vote was just a down payment. senator elizabeth warren has a lot to say about that and she joins me next. state agent, and i know that we have accident forgiveness. so the incredibly minor accident that i had tonight...
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know this president is a clear and present danger who is mentally unstable and armed with nuclear weapons. and they do nothing. join us and tell your member of congress that they have a moral responsibility to stop doing what's political and start doing what's right. our country depends on it. this bill is a giant wet kiss to wall street. bank lobbyists are crawling all over this place. begging congress to vote and make it easier for them to cheat their customers. >> senator elizabeth warren last night just moments before a vote in which senate republicans stripped consumers of the right to join class action suits against banks and financial institutions. every democratic senator voted against the bill and four
retaining this important consumer protection. as the two republicans, senator john kennedy of louisiana and senator lindsey graham of south carolina, senator graham opposed the bill because he wanted to protect military families from predatory banking practices. joining me now, senator elizabeth warren in massachusetts, the ranking member of the subcommittee on financial institutions and consumer protection. senator, the cfpb was your brain child. it issued the rule that the republicans overrode last night. were you surprised by the outcome of that vote? did you think you had enough votes. >> yeah, i actually, i thought we would have enough votes. i'll tell you exactly why. because consumers had weighed in. people across this country had weighed in. aarp had weighed in and you know who really was strong on this? the veterans groups and the active duty military groups who said we're getting cheated by these forced arbitration causes. these predators cheat us, and
then force us into arbitration where we can't get any kind of relief. and they really came out strong. the american legion representing millions of veterans were right on the front lines saying hang on to this rule. and you know, i just thought for once, that would be enough to carry the day. but instead, 50 republicans in the senate lined up against it and donald trump sent mike pence over and rolled the rule back. >> what do you make of -- the day starts with bob corker attacking the president, the president comes to capitol hill, then jeff flake announces very dramatically he won't be seeking reelection. he gives his very heartfelt speech about what he thinks the president is doing in the country. and then they were both yes votes at the end of the day. that sort of capped things off. what was your reaction to that? >> that's the problem here, i'm really glad to see someone like jeff flake speak up. i think it's very important, but
what really matters are not words, it's the actions. it's whether or not you're actually going to step up and say i'm going to do my part to make sure that washington works for the people. not just for those who've got money and power and exercise it right here in the halls of congress. >> do you think the republican caucus right now, what is your mental model of how they are orienting themselves? sheldon white house said something yesterday, interesting where he talked about donor maintenance was the phrase he used. >> yeah. >> basically they're right now like we need to deliver. we been doing this for nine months, and the people that fund our campaigns and fund the institutional republican party have basically seen nothing, is that you're understanding of what's going on there right now? >> absolutely. that is exactly my understanding, is the republican party and congress right now looks at this like a business. and they say gee, all these billionaires and zillionaires
and giant corporations invested in us and they're demanding a return on their investment. and we better show them some return on their investment or they won't invest in the next election. that's how the game is rigged in washington. all of those families, all those veterans, all those active duty service members who said please keep the consumer financial protection bureau rule, please hang on to that rule because that rule gives me a chance to have a day in court. that rule gives me a chance to hold some bank accountable when they cheat me. the republicans couldn't even hear them. couldn't even hear them, instead they said man, we got a show return on investment for our donors. that's, that's what's happened in washington. >> you know, they are now walking to this tax fight and i wonder what you make of it. just talk about a little bit back and forth on 401ks. you've got the president who has
good political instincts frankly saying don't go after 401ks, they're like we might go after 401ks, are they going to come over state deductions, things that a lot of people use and comfortable so they can cut taxes on the top? >> so i'm just going to turn your question the other way. they start by saying we've got to cut taxes for the richest in this country. for the biggest corporations for the richest americans. because that's what our donors expect us to do. that's what the people who fund all of these think tanks and all of these bought and paid for experts and all of these lobbyists, that whole industry wants us to deliver. so the rest of the question then becomes, what's it going to take to get there? >> right. >> and notice every place they go, it's just another punch in the gut to hard-working families.
so they start out by saying, well we're going to raise the bottom tax rate from 8% to 10%. like wait, what? do you think that we ought to raise taxes on people at the bottom end who are paying so we can pay for tax cuts for those at the top? and then they start saying how many, how many things can we just kind of peel out of this that help reduce taxes, deductions that help reduce taxes for working families, for middle class families, and they're just trying to get these two things to line up. >> right, but it seems to me that that's a political advantage for you and your colleagues. they are handing you a whole bunch of political weapons to use. i saw chuck schumer yesterday, i thought he did a good job of this, if they're going to try to reverse engineer the whole thing around these tax cuts at the top, they're going to give you some political gifts in terms of how you argue against it it. >> chris, i don't want political gifts. i just want them to stop banging
the hell out of working families. look, that was the same thing on health care. look how they came after health care for tens of millions of americans. and boy have they now made it clear. anyone wants to understand the difference between democrats and republicans, let me put it right here, one party in america thinks it's okay to knock 25 million people off their health care coverage, and run up health insurance rates for everybody else. and one party thinks health care is a basic human right. we're going to keep talking about that. but what i care most about is that people didn't lose their health care coverage. and we're going to roll into the same thing now, and that is, that one party says the most important thing about tax breaks is to cut taxes for the billionaires and the zillionaires and the multinational corporations. that's where they want to go. and the other party says, no, we
need -- we know what happens when you do that. when you do that, that means that working families, middle class families don't have the money, don't have the support for the schools, for transportation, for infrastructure, for roads, for bridges, for water, for the kinds of things we build to make this country go, what i want to see is i want to see us make the investments and the only way we're going to make those investments is if everybody in america pays a fair share. so, yeah, there's political parts to this, but what matters most is we don't have time to play politics. we need to be getting out there and making this country work again for working people. not just for the thin slice at the top. >> all right. senator elizabeth warren, thank you. >> you bet. still to come, all exclusive interview with jane fonda and gloria stein m on the age of weinstein, and trump. tonight's thing one thing
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thing one tonight, trump continues to build his roster of ambassadors to represent america around the world. behind closed doors yesterday, callis that was sworn in on monday the new ambassador to canada, kelly kraft began her role on her very first day made nice canadian headlines. >> do you believe in climate change? >> on both sides that are accurate. >> you believe that there's climate change just science that proves that there is, man is not causing climate change? >> i think both sides have their own results from their studies and i appreciate and i respect both sides of the science. >> sorry. sometimes it's hard to pick a side on a tough issue like climate change. especially when, you know, your
husband joe kraft is ceo of one of the largest coal companies in america. that would be a alliance resource partners and donated a million dollars to trump's inauguration. ambassador kraft isn't the only one having trouble with foreign press, did you know scott brown is an ambassador? >> are you under investigation -- >> no? >> do you comment? >> you're not. there's no investigation or being investigated by investigators. you're not going to answer our questions? >> thank you. >> that's the ambassador. and that's thing two in 60 seconds. the mirror everyday. when i look in the mirror everyday. everyday, i think how fortunate i am. i think is today going to be the day, that we find a cure? i think how much i can do to help change people's lives. i may not benefit from those breakthroughs, but i'm sure going to... i'm bringing forward a treatment for alzheimer's disease, yes, in my lifetime, i will make sure.
remember that time the u.s. ambassador in new zealand started a major international incident? no, of course not. how could something like that even be possible? start by appointed male model senator scott brown to the position, brown's admitting today he was investigated over inappropriate comments he made at a peace corp. event in july. the official state department stemmed from complaints he
called certain guests beautiful, told a woman serving food and drinks she could make hundreds of dollars in america. today the u.s. ambassador to new zealand explained himself. >> when someone came over and served food, you could make hundreds of dollars in the services industry. you know, waitress, bartender, sales, you guys are doing a great job. and somebody took offense to that as well. and as a result of that, you know, i was in fact told by my people that listen, you know, you're not scott brown from new hampshire anymore, you're an ambassador and you have to be aware of different cultures, different incensivities, and i'm always welcoming that kind of good advice.
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1-800-adt-cares joining me now, great pleasure to introduce jane fonda, actress and activist, and gloria steinem, also cofounder of the women's media center. >> we're delighted to be with you. >> this moment, this #metoo moment, the weinstein dam breaking was one thing, then cascade afterwards, just been reading account after account. what do you make of this moment? >> it feels different, like something has shifted. yeah. it's too bad that it -- it's
probably because so many of the women that were assaulted by harvey weinstein are famous and white and you know, everybody knows them. this has been going on a long time. to black women and other women of color and doesn't get out the same. but i think it's so huge, this story. and so much is coming out that showed it went on so long over so many countries, with people pimpli pimping for him and women coming forward, it's hopefully domino effect, affecting other industries. >> already resignations, suspensions, ticked off some of them. and also gloria, struck me as logic of the strike right? that fist is stronger than the individual fingers, it's
terrifying for one person to level an accusation against a extremely powerful person but 40, 50, 60, changes dynamic. >> even more true in this case, because if you steal money, probably arrested and convicted because everybody says stealing is wrong. but if you do something that's sexist or racist because there still is critical mass of bias in this country, it takes more cumulative instances for it to be recognized. so we have reached a tipping point i think. and probably is important in addition to what jane is saying, who it is that came forward, also the offenders have been cross-race, cosby, cross political lines of all kinds from right to left. and all contributes to -- >> all men though. >> there have been women in the
past, don't want to say it. but important thing to remember is it's about power. and the idea that you have to dominate in order to be sexual. that's the fundamental problem. so there are occasionally women who sexually harass too, just many fewer because of the feminine role -- >> because of the power dynamic. ask you specifically about weinstein and hollywood. he gave money to schools. there's a chair at rutgers i believe in your name. >> and his mother's name. >> usc. and someone whose name is attached -- >> it was so lucky in a way. it was early and obviously it's going to media chair, all about reporting on bias against women, including sexual harassment. rutgers can become an example to say give this money to causes for women, give it to rape crisis centers, shelters, you
know, hello, don't give it back for his legal defense fund, no. >> keep the money. >> it's a strategy to -- >> absolutely. >> how could he be that bad, what he did for women, women directors advantage and all that. >> he made movies with meryl streep and julie taimor that were big movies. powerful women that wasn't sexualized. >> also doing laundering of his representation. >> that's what it was all about. >> you think that. >> i do. >> it was risky, i have to say. part of the excitement is the risk i guess. but there's another thing, 12 million people in the united states work in restaurants, most of them women. and they're often young but not always but they survive on tips, which means they are -- they
have to put up with a lot -- >> great point. every customer is a boss. >> and if you don't look smiley with a low cut dress and tight and boss tells you you have to do it -- >> or grimace throw inappropriate comment -- >> not paid living wage so depend on your tips. often the first job. these young women, it becomes the norm. nothing can be as horrible afterward as what was done to me in restaurants so must be the way life is. >> there are restaurants that reward or require women to have breast implants. can't make this stuff up. >> great point with the service industry and restaurants and how this scales throughout the economy, talking about very top. but specifically hollywood, conservatives have run with the harvey weinstein thing and at some level i understand. you hollywood liberals lecture us sanctimoniously all the time
and here you have this happening in your back yard. >> i think it's most ridiculous argument i've ever heard. >> nobody ever said the patriarchy was confined or racism confined. >> just easier for predatory men like the president to have access to the kind of women he likes in the model business. one of them runs miss universe, harvey happens to produce the runway project. >> we have a president -- >> this is not an accident. >> we have a president who profiteered off beauty contest is absurd in itself, in addition to fact he's self-confessed harasser. >> what do you think about him in this. day of reckoning has come for a lot of people. >> hasn't come for him. part of the problem if you'll bear with him for a minute is
advertising. advertising supports television, therefore television rewards number of hits. that made him a television star, even though watching him was like watching a traffic accident. that's why it got so many -- >> people were watching. true of his presidency. >> whoever said may into the be good for the country but -- >> good for us. >> for the network. >> that's why we cofounded the women's media center with robin morgan. all the platforms of media are so important and controlled by men for the most part. >> and tomorrow tonight hillary clinton will be receiving award and women's media center has been doing incredible work for long time and huge part of this story, my colleague ronan but also two women who talked about how important it was for them to be women reporters and get folks to talk to them and trust them
and how important it is to have the representation. >> having consciousness and lot of women in the media, what the media center is doing. and understanding it is about power. therefore since the women's media center is devoted to trying to equalize the pourks it's diminishing the possibility in and of itself, in addition to the individual cases it reports. >> jane fonda and gloria steinem, what a treat. thank you. if you would ever like to come back, we'd love to have you. "the rachel maddow show" starts now. great conversation. see if you can spot the pattern here. within days of the trump administration starting, justice department was warning new white house, white house counsel specifically there was a serious security issue with the president's new national security adviser. he had been having secret