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tonight with new republican voices rising up against him donald trump declares the republican party unified. a separate question may be what will be his first real legislative win? plus the alarming new report that diplomatic efforts with north korea are on their last legs according to a u.s. official, they're blaming the president's choice of words. speaking of the president, he's very smart, has a world class memory is well schooled as he reminded us again today as "the 11th hour" gets under way on a wednesday night. >> well, good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 279 of the trump administration brings headlines of strife, anxiety and all out warfare in the gop, an internal struggle on public display. with no major legislative victory to speak of, the
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president tried to project one message about his party today. >> we have actually great unity in the republican party. we have great unity. i called it a love fest. it was almost a love fest. maybe it was a love fest, but we had standing ovations. there was great unity. i will say this, i think the republican party has a pretty good unity. there was tremendous unity in that room. and we're really unified -- we're really unified on what we want to do. there's great unity. we have actually in the republican party in a true sense we have great unity. we have great unity. i was with the senate yesterday, the entire republican senate and other than two people, i tell you, there was a lot of love in that room. >> as you might have gathered unity was a big message today. when people talk about the fight for the soul of the republican party these days there's really just one soul they're talking about, and that's steve bannon. after jeff flake announced he's
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not running for senate again bannon called the senator, quote, another scalp. but tonight there are reports the establishment has another strategy to strike back. the headline from "the washington post" tonight, mcconnell declares open warfare on bannon. this gets interesting. bannon here says hooeptsz to bring down mcconnell chief among others. thoeps wrote this, quote, to attack bannon directly. the efforts reflects the growing concern over the rise of anti-establishment forces and comes amid escalating fury with president trump's conduct. and part of the strategy here appears convincing donald trump to sign-on to it. "the new york times" quoting, senator lindsey graham, writing establishment republicans are attempting to convince mr. trump that if you join with bannon you cut your own throat, mr. graham said, because it could lead to
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an impeachment effort by a democratic controlled congress. as this fight plays out, we have a new snapshot of how the nation views our president. the new poll from fox news shows 38% of voters approve of donald trump's performance, that's a new low for their poll. that's a 57% disproval. let's bring urour lead off panel tonight. anita cue mar, jeremy peters, animist nbc contributor who coauthored the report we quoted earlier, and kimberley atkins, chief washington reporter for the boston herald. jeremy, i'll begin with you. by the time i left my office to come to studio you were out front a one story on the front page and presumably for print versions in the morning. a piece you coauthored in this sentence sticks out. the grond old party risks a longer-term transformation into the party of trump.
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tell us what you mean. >> so, brian, what's happened here since donald trump accepted the republican nomination is a party that has to reckon with a base that it does not quite understand and a base that, frankly, does not support party leadership. i mean this is what happens when republicans nominate someone who is not a republican. and the complaint that i hear from voters while i'm out talking to them is they feel that the republican leadership in congress is going about their business as if the presidential part of the election didn't happen, that they're stifling donald trump's agenda, they're blocking his priorities. and there's, of course -- that's not entirely true. donald trump shares a lot of the blame for not getting his priorities through congress, but that's how it's perceived.
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and members of congress need to realize that they're going to get blamed before donald trump is going to get blamed. his base is not walking away. and right now there is this populous ground swell among republican voters that is really tired of business as usual. they're tired of being told one thing by politicians when they're campaigning and then seeing them not live up to their promises once they get to washington. and this has to be, brian, the most anti-incumbent environment that i think i've seen in my time covering politics. it's a dangerous thing for a republican majority. >> i was going to say in the modern era certainly since the rise of the tea party we saw a few years back when we saw a good bit of it then, but i think you're right. kimberley, for a good part of this story you cover everybody for hub readers and that is good part of this unity to what end?
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wrerz the legislative agenda, and where are the non-gorsuch victories? >> yeah, they're still trying to work them out even on an issue like tax reform. by and large whether you're a trump republican or a mcconnell republican, wants to get that done. it's tough to come to the details and work that out so far. and if they don't do that, a lot of the republicans i've talked to are really worried about what that means. if we're seeing these divisions now, if we're seeing these incumbent challenges now, one more legislative failure it's going to boil over to even bigger levels and steve bannon will again claim victory. so the stakes have never been higher to pass one bill fr bethe end of the year. one person told me this bill is apocalyptic. this is the stake to pass tax reform before the end of the year.
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>> if you want to put it that way, it starts to sound serious. anita, these poll number, and again this is a fox news poll, is this baked in -- when you speak to folks at the white house, are they phased by a 38% number? >> they haven't been phased by the number since the beginning of the administration. >> good point. >> they haven't. and it's been low since the beginning, right? i mean it's been low. it's been in the 40s, it's gone into the 30s. no, it doesn't phase them. they feel like they have the base still. that might have chipped away a little bit. they feel like they have this movement out there and that no matter what happens -- we say every week it's getting worse and worse -- no matter what happens, they're still with him. the people that supported him, if you go and talk to them, they are blaming paul ryan and they're blaming mitch mcconnell. they are not blaming donald
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trump. they think the republican leaders in congress are getting in his way. and so that's what they're fixated on is getting rid of those guys and getting other people he can work with. they do not blame him. >> and jeremy, to the point you're all making, what about democrats? they still have wants and needs. they still occupy a good many seats in both chambers. but what's it like to be a democrat or a democratic leader these days? >> i think you are counting down the days until election day 2018, brian. i think democrats feel there is a better chance now that they could capture the senate. you have republican open warfare on one another, which of course steve bannon's assault on republican incumbents is going to require mitch mcconnell and
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his allies to spend money on races they didn't plan on spending. that's going to spread their resources thin. and then on the house side i think you already had an optimistic democratic leadership there, that they were going to pick up seats. and that's what happens in these off-year elections. so i think it's just a matter of hoping that things stay the same, remain chaotic and that eventually the russia investigation picks back up, which frankly we haven't been talking about a lot lately. it's been a quiet news period. we don't know what robert mueller is up to. >> i need you to retract that statement. it's been a quiet news front on the russia investigation. kimberley, i want you to watch jeff flake this morning. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> how about your future are president trump? where does it go next? are you opening to challenging him in 2020?
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>> that's a long way away. i'm focused on my next 14 months in the senate. >> so kimberley, this is an interesting question. first of all, do you take him at az word, and the second part of the question is does mccain, corker, flake combined equal a movement and i'm sure they're looking for reinforcements. >> sure, i'll take the senator at his word that he didn't confirm or deny that's a possibility. so i'll take that. but, look, you have these three lawmakers who are now the face of the trump opposition in the senate. they say that there are others who agree with them and just don't have the political cover to be vocal about it, but they're urging more people to come out. so far there haven't been coming out, there hasn't been anybody coming out publicly since jeff flake made his extraordinary speech on the senate floor. so we'll watch that. it's a tough time for all the reasons we've been talk about.
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it's a time when voters seem to be siding with the president, republican voters seem to be siding with the president. and there seems to be strengthen to this movement, this sort of insurgency that's coming. we're seeing more endorse roy moore in alabama. we're seeing the movement in the opposite direction, i think, than senator flake and others want them to go. >> from texas today, the latest to endorse moore. anita, let's start with these three, mccain, corker and flame. the white house is going to need their votes especially on tax reform. and they're going to need to advise and consent. this is where the math gets really interesting especially two guys who just announced they're not going to stand for re-election and at the same time they're going to be hypercritical of the president in their own party. >> right. i mean donald trump's agenda,
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the republican's agenda on capitol hill, here we are in october, almost november next week. they already haven't done very much. it's already in peril. let's look at tax reform. this is something republicans agree they need to do but disagree how to do it. so it was already going to be tough. then you get in donald trump who is basically negotiating by twitter. this thing is off the table, not off the table surprising republicans on capitol hill. now you've got this whole issue with republicans on capitol hill fighting with him. so that's not going to be good. he definitely needs their votes, and it's just going to be worse. you talked before about are others going to join him? probably. probably they're going to join in opposition eventually. so just a couple more votes, every little person that opposes him, every person that opposes him is just going to chip away at that majority he desperately needs.
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>> jeremy, if he were writing this as a screenplay treatment, there would be a game of billiards and it would be mcconnell and trump. and mcconnell would say to trump, mr. president, you need to understand this. i need you to have your guy bannon just call off the dogs. because for all of his success, that's going to imperil what's left of our republican party majority. and you, sir, could be impeached in the worst-case scenario. how far are we, do you think, jeremy, from eren sorken's treatment of that? >> about as far as i can imagine, brian. mr. trump and mcconnell really do not have a working relationship. i know for a fact trump has disparaged mcconnell in private to other senate leadars week. and the second half of your question there assumes that donald trump wants to stop some of these races. let's not forget had jeff flake
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had not come out and said i'm not running again, donald trump would have supported his opponent kelly ward, the republican doctor from arizona whose primarying or was primarring jeff flake. so i do think we can't forget there are some but not all, certainly, republican senators. donald trump is perfectly fine with having no longer there. >> three terrific journalists to start off on a wednesday night. our thanks to you all. coming up we'll go to a break. and has diplomacy between washington and pyongyang completely broken down? and what can that mean? the details of an nbc news exclusive ahead. and up next more on steve bannon and the central question. are republicans going to allow bannon to be the next republican key maker. more on that as "the 11th hour" gets under way on a wednesday night.
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i'm all about my bed. this mattress is dangerously
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the united states senate in particular has done i think a terrible job of supporting president trump. and let me say something about president trump. i've had the great honor of being the ceo of the campaign and being his chief strategist and senior council in the white house and now i'm proud to say his wing man outside. >> that was steve bannon on traed. since then we've said senator bob corker, jeff flake has launched attacks on the sitting president. flame's announced now he will join him. that news prompted a source close to bannon to declare another day, another scalp. bannon's war against the gop stabment includes -- there's some consensus bannon is winning. "the new york times," as gop wends towards trump critics either give up or give up. the daily beast, steve bannon is kicking our you know what on nbc. if the challengers win senate seats, they'll be grateful to the bannon wing and loyal to trump. there will be fewer mcconnell supporters in the senate. in short, bannon and company win just by playing. well, here for more on all of
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this, charlie sykes, author and animist nbc contributor and the affir mentioned jonathan allen. i'm going to begin with you. as they say in law school defend your quote as they say just by playing the game. >> number one, by having these primary challenges they get some fear going in the republican cloakroom. other senators don't want primary challenges. and while a third of the senate is up every two years, that means they're more likely to get in mind with the trump agenda. on the eleck trt battlefield, if they run challengers who win the primary and then lose in the general election you still have one less mitch mcconnell supporter and the state today of bannon and his allies, the immediate thing is to get rid of mitch mcconnell's majority leader.
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they don't have to win a lot of them. they only have to win a couple of them. they only have to put the fear in the senate republicans to get something done. >> charlie, how big a faction is this of this bannon party that is leading your party around by the nose? >> let's put this in some perspective. if it wasn't for that sweet, sweet mercer money, steve bannon would be an internet troll -- >> explain to our viewers what you mean by the mercer money. >> we're talking about the billionaire family that is bankrolling these challenges bannon is pushing. if it wasn't for that money, i don't think there would be serious attention. look, i agree with jonathan's analysis completely except interest this question. so if they get rid of mcconnell, what exactly do they win?
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what is the end game? how is the republican agenda, the conservative agenda, the trump agenda advance in anyway by getting rid of mitch mcconnell? because what comes after that other than more dysfunction, other than tearing it down? because, you know, despite this narrative that congress is not sufficiently supportive of the trump agenda, one of the things we are also learning over the last several weeks is donald trump despite his reputation is terrible negotiator. i don't know new york real estate, but maybe being a blustery bullying con man works there. it doesn't work in washington. and at some point people are going to have to say, hey, the buck actually does snaup with you. you can get rid of mitch mcconnell, you can get rid of paul ryan, but the fundamental problem you have is donald trump. >> if mcconnell who? >> that's the perfect question because there is not an answer to that right now. i think if you look at bannon and his allies, what they believe about mitch mcconnell is
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that he is protecting this establishment status quo, that he does things, cuts deals that are at odds to trumpism, with the nationalist populous that steve bannon talks about. i think for them getting rid of somebody who does that is the goal almost no matter who comes next. because i think they believe whoever comes next will show more guilty to what they want. >> i want you guys to listen to some voters. gaudy schwartz and his crew were in arizona today. let's listen. >> what do you think about president trump and his relationship with republican senators when they cross him? >> it's not good. i blame the senate. >> you blame the senate? >> absolutely. they're trying to keep the same
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old good boys network together, and he's trying to bring in the constitution and set us all, you know, the way the founders wanted us to be. i've not seen anything like this. and i love the man. >> you love president trump? >> i do. >> what do you think about senator flake's stance, saying he's done? >> i hate to see him go. he has been with the party something like 93% of the time. i admire him for taking a stand. >> you admire senator flake? >> so interesting there. and i also want to follow that up with a quote from steve bannon to the financial times. coat, the establishment republicans are in full collapse. they're not even fighting back. they're out of ideas, guts and out of money. and charlie, we can see when we talk to people, when we talk to voters that anti-establishment message, washington is hurting president trump, let's give him
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a chance. that is really getting through. >> it is getting through, but i'm struck by the arrogance of the hubris of bannon's quote. look, a political party that is purging the likes of bob corker, john mccain and jeff flake and replacing them with somebody like roy moore is not a party that is headed in the direction that i think has a long-term future. i mean this is an interesting moment. yes, they're spiking the football, but think about the transformation of this party and where they're going. yes, steve bannon may be going into a short-term advantage, long-term i'm not so sure. this is the thing with bargains with the delve, you get a lot of the things crow like, things that are pretty good. but the price is always much, much greater than you anticipate in the beginning. >> by the way, this is why we urge folks to read charlie's new book. jonathan, i asked this question
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in our first segment. does mccain, corker and flake a movement make? >> certainly the start of one or even partially the escalation of one in terms of those people getting moved out, the scalps that bannon claims. and yet on the other side there's a risk for trump and for bannon, which is that if you knock out enough of these guys and they're laying ducks between now and next year emphasis mid-terms they may start voting against the trump agenda freely. and they really can't afford to have guys peeling off. >> our great thanks to two guests who we will have on again and again. we'll keep talking about this and covering it as it goes by. charlie sykes, jonathan allen, thank you both. and coming up after another break, if there are two options with north korea, diplomacy or nuclear war, how badly broken is diplomacy right about now? how much of that is due to the president's choice of words?
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the dmz, yes or no? >> i'd rather not say, but you'd be surprised. >> okay, that question about the demilitarized zone president trump is scheduled to depart for his first trip to asia as president next month. the stakes are high.
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stops in japan, china, vietnam, the philippines and south korea. as you heard there he declinned to say whether or not that trip would include a trip to the dmz saying only that it would be a surprise. let's say that that means, yes, as we're told not to expect a trip to the dmz officially. speculation only. in washington many remain fearful as the president continues to escalate his rhetoric towards north korea and its leader kim jong-un who he's called little rocket man and what this may mean for any hope of a diplomatic solution. with us to talk about all of it tonight vivian salaama, nbc news national political report who's out with a new piece today. break down in north korea talk sounds alarms on capitol hill. and the author of nuclear
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showdown north korea takes on the world, an appropriate title. vivian, tell our viewers about your piece and the diplomat in particular who has people alarmed and appropriately probably sprung up about this. >> well, brian, let's say you have an acquaintance and you want to give them a call and talk to them directly and that akwaptance stops answering their phone. you can get messages through mutual friends but essentially you risk miscommunication and something getting lost in translation. what we've learned is essentially north korea is not picking up the phone anymore. and that channel, that direct line of diploem osor dip mats have been working so hard to establish to de-escalate
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tensions have basically fizzled. now, that is a significant change in the dynamic from a month ago. and a lot has happened in that period of time. president trump has really ramped up his rhetoric against north korea calling kim jong-un rocket man at the united nations general assembly, threatening fire and fury. and so a lot of this has really weighed heavily on the psyche of koreans. and at the heart of this is that diplomat you mentioned, joseph u.n., who's essentially the representative for north korea. he as we've learned has been pleading with lawmakers and law enforcement officials trying to talk president trump down from that rhetoric saying it's not helping, it's reallyal conflating the situation and making matters worse. and obviously we're not quite at a military confrontation yet, and this is something all of the officials we spoke to really emphasized.
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but when you lose that channel, when there's a break down in any diplomatic channel, it raises risk for military confrontation or risk for misunderstanding. that's where we stand today. and obviously it's a concern for people here and overseas. >> so gordon i say this not in a mocking way. we have a rookie president who came from new york real estate and reality television who does not adhere to the language of diplomacy. how much does this worry you? and secondly, are you going to tell me any of this is by design? >> well, it may be by dedesign, but it's hard to tell from the outside. of course it should concern us. but we've also got to remember diplomacy is going on at full steam. we've got diplomacy with the chinese, the egyptians, sudanese. there's a lot going on. the one area where we're not talking is with the koreans. this crisis, i think, will end with us talking to the north but only when the koreans understand they've got to accede to the wishes of the international community and give up their weapons program. that could be months down the road, but we have a president now using pressure tactics to stop the flow of money to north korea. and he's probably not going to want to talk to koreans until that program has worked. >> we tried to pick the most dramatic moment on this network
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every day. and without question it was this afternoon on nicolle wallace's program just before 5:00 eastern time one of our colleagues steve schmidt talked about the stakes and what he's calling the possibility of the second korean war. let's listen. >> what we're talking about here is something of a war of a different magnitude. the estimates are on the korean peninsula there would be a million casualties on the first day.
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there'll be more dead americans in the first five minutes of a second korean war than there have been killed total casualties in the last 17 years of war in afghanistan and iraq. we've had no discussion in this country about the casualties, about what a second korean war looks like, the current size of the u.s. military. would we need to have a draft in the united states to augment forces? because when you activate all of our forces including reserve and national guard components it may be the case we don't have enough people for the second korean war. and so i think that there's a real lack of imagination and clearly a lack of imagination in washington, d.c. among all of those senators who were cheering like sycophants yesterday about the possibility of a real tragedy caused by reckless actions by this president of the united states. >> gordon, as a citizen i happen to think that clip should have been the most forwarded thing on
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social media today and tonight. do you conquer with what you just heard? >> well, i'd put it a little differently. because the second korean war as he puts it is really a continuation of the first one. the last one did not end in a truce -- i mean in a peace agreement. it ened in a truce. the second korean war could actually be the world's third world war. and we could talk about the first nuclear exchange. it could be north korea and
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china on one side and the united states on the other. we could be talking about casualties not in the millions, not in the tens of millions but in the hundreds of millions. i'm not saying that's probable, but i am saying that is one of the possible scenarios going forward because we're talking about a war beyond everyone's imagination. >> vivian, this is the stream throughout your reporting as well. we're a potential mistake away from this. if do an above ground or above water test, if they lob one in the distance we determine to be too close to guam, it's game on. and consequences no one can imagine. >> absolutely. and officials, u.s. officials are constantly reminding us it's not just about whether a rocket could hit the united states. we have troops in south korea, we have troops in japan. we have a lot of assets at stake in that region alone and not just to mention our allies there as well. and we're talking about the korean war. the koreans have basically been living and breathing the legacy and the trauma of the korean war for generation after generation. i was there ten years ago, and i can tell you people were running up to us when they heard we were americans begging us, saying why would you want to attack us, why would you want to hit us with a nuclear weapon? and we tried to convince them that was not the case, but their government is insisting based on everything that's happened and based on the american presence in korea during the korean war, that's what they want to do now, that's what the americans are out for now. this is something engraved very early on in koreans. it's in their psyche and mind-set. and it's very tense.
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and this is how it's been going on for years. >> two great veterans. thank you for coming on tonight. chilling conversation topic. coming up another reminder today of the president's intelligence and good schooling from the president. more when "the 11th hour" continues.
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well, i think the press makes me more uncivil than i am. you know, people don't understand. i went to an ivy league college, i was a nice student, i did very well. i'm a very intelligent person. just so you understand, they put a chart in front, la david. it says la david johnson.
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so i thought right from the beginning, there's no hesitation. one of the great memories of all-time. there was no hesitation. >> president trump today fielded questions about civility and his now controversial conversation with a gold star widow, which he continued to litigate today. but his answers there return to a familiar theme we have heard so many times before. >> i was a good student. i understand things. i comprehend very well, okay? better than, i think, almost anybody. they say is donald trump an intellectual. trust me, i'm like a smart person. i don't have to be told, you know, i'm like a smart person. i don't have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day for the next eight years. could be eight years, but eight years. >> who are are you consulting with consistently so you're ready on day one? >> i'm speaking with myself,
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number one, because i have a very good brain. i went to an ivy league school. i'm very educated. i know words, i know the best words. but there's no better word an stupid. >> you're not known to be a humble man. >> i think i'm much more humble than you would understand. >> it never gets old. back with us kimberley atkins and jonathan allen. jonathan, i don't know where to begin. the obsession with iq schooling. when you think about the last couple presidents we've had harvard law, harvard law review view. we've had harvard business school, we've had yale law. you know, not bad. >> are you saying penn's the bottom of the ivy? >> no, it's just something he's going to litigate. >> it is something he's going to litigate. and part of it is he's constant self-promoter. the other piece of this is this is a bit of a chip on his
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shoulder. he always has to prove himself. i think in a lot of these places certainly outside of real estate i don't think he was treated he belonged in the first place. i think he wants other people to respect his intellect and who's going to talk about that more than he is. my experience is many of the smartest people stay out of elective office. >> that's a pretty good point. hey, kimberley, our senior producer asked me tonight and i didn't have a good answer. how many 71-year-olds are still talking about college? >> not too many, and not too many presidents as you mentioned being an ivy league educated president is the norm in recent decades more than the exception. and you don't hear a lot of them talking about it. look, you see donald trump talking about things especially
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things he has been hit on. we saw him secretary of state tillerson to an iq contest after reports that he called him a moron. and the question he was asked was actually about civility. so perhaps the fact he was feeling a little defensive about his intellect was on his mind, and that's the way he answered. i mean this is the way that we see the president respond. he speaks in superlatives. he was repeatedly tweeting today about getting a standing ovation from members of the gop conference when he had his lunch with them. everything hotel, every idea was a superlative. this is how he speaks. he pumps himself up. i guess it makes him feel better, and he thinks it's making himself look better to others. >> yeah, he does like a standing ovation. we're asking our guests to stay right here. we'll fit a break in. and coming up a new poll on how this country feels about their
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commander in chief on honesty, compassion, whether he cares about them. more on that when we continue.
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president trump today deflected criticism from what he called fake stories. the polls show a consistently negative opinion of the president among those polls. when asked -- and wait until you see these numbers, when asked do you think donald trump is trustworthy and honest, 60% said no. and the numbers, 60% of people said they don't think trump cares about people like them.
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and 60% don't think he has the knowledge to serve as president. same number, 60% don't believe he has the judgment to do so. 60% don't think that trump has the compassion to serve effectively. kimberly and jonathan are back, what does it tell you about the fines? >> first it tells you people who voted for donald trump were not huge fans of donald trump. it's sort of a consistent thing, we haven't seen the numbers move a ton, what you see that is important on the other side of that which is about 35% of the country that supports donald trump in everything that he does, that believes in everything he does. and that is a majority of the republican party, once he won that primary he got a lot of republicans who did not like hillary clinton very much to vote for him. if i recall correctly, about 50% of his voters said he was not fit to be president and voted for him anyway. >> i remember steve kornacki bringing that up over and over and looking at the numbers of the man who is now president. kimberly, can you remember a time when the factions of a party has gotten so much attention and as we said, earlier in the broadcast an hour ago seems to be steering in that party's direction? >> no, i can't, in recent history and not to this extent, we are seeing that reflected in these numbers, but when you look at the polls the majority of people are behind donald trump. he has the majority of voters behind him.
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you talk to republican voters who say look, i don't like everything he says, i don't like the tweets. but i want to give him a chance. i want him to be allowed to do his job. i think what we said earlier, there is a lot more blame going to republican congress people than the president, and the numbers are just abysmal. if you can imagine another president with these type of favorability numbers, these are the ones that donald trump came into the office with. so i don't think he or anybody else in the white house are too worried about it. >> jonathan, i'm a high school graduate, so i don't have a weapon in the fight. andrea mitchell went to the university of pennsylvania, you will have to face her if you are going to make any jokes about the university. >> first of all, i'm a university of maryland graduate, next to pennsylvania, so you know of course the little rivalry there, i plead for mercy from andrea, who is an idol of mine. >> yes, as she is mine and i speak for kimberly with pretty about assurety on that. and we love the university of pennsylvania and all of its graduates. >> absolutely, kimberly adkins, jonathan allen, thank you for joining us and sticking around on this panel. when we come back after a break what some are calling an attempt on the next american revolution. this one is starting in new
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england. that story when we continue.
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last thing before we go tonight, as one headline writer put it, a new england writer said we're about to start a revolution against daylight saving time. it seems to get around noon, he said, with so many other institutions being shaken, add daylight saving time to the list. massachusetts joined maine in at least considering a permanent change in its time zone the something called atlantic time which would bring those states an hour ahead of eastern time thereby avoiding daylight saving time. it is true that many parts of new england are dark during the day, with the sun starting to set at about 4:00 p.m., it's also true that daylight saving time credits say they can document an uptick in car
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accidents, the changing clocks and an extreme case of depression and chaos, there are also lawmakers worrying about the effect of any time zone change, on finances, travel markets. there is a move to get all of new england on board before any changes are made. that would be a huge effort. abandoning daylight saving time would mean move afternoon life but less morning light. that can affect the safety of children getting to school. it's a controversial topic. and to be clear it appears nothing will be done in time to stop that fact that on november 5th, we fall back, turn the clock back one hour which many people realize just as they're finishing snl and heading to bed. that is our broadcast on a wednesday night. thank you so much for being here with us. good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york.
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this morning, nbc news exclusive. deadly ambush kills four american soldiers. trump administration paving the way for legal drone strikes. despite criticism, president trump is claim iing great unityn the gop. as some republicans reign in on the discourse. joe biden once again stirring up speculation about a 2020 presidential run in several new interviews. seems he hasn't ruled it out. good morning, everyone.

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