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new york on this saturday at msnbc headquarters. nbc news now confirming that special counsel robert mueller and his team are expected to serve their first indictment on monday in connection with their investigation into russian meddling in last year's election. we want to get straight to the white house and nbc's kelly o'donnell for us with more. kelly, is the white house still mum? i know the president returned less than an hour ago from a day at his virginia golf club. >> yes, and i heard back from a senior white house official that there's still no specific comment on the reports, including nbc news that there will be an indictment expected as early as monday. they're not weighing in because of all of the unknowns that exist, who will be the target of the indictment, will it be one person or more? what are the charges? are they somehow directly related to the campaign or other types of offenses like making false statements would be an
kpa example of that. it's going to have a huge political fall-out. it will be measured as to how close those who are the subject of this are to the president or the campaign. the president is heading into a very big week. at the end of the week, he begins a huge asia trip where he'll be on the world stage, and this is the kind of issue that has sort of dogged him throughout his time in office, and if it flames up right before he travels to asia, that's certainly a consideration. so maybe when there are more specifics, the white house will be prepared to address it. certainly the president's outside counsel might be in a position to talk about it. all of that, of course, dependent on the who and the what charges and what more we know. what is tantalizing is that over the next 24 to 36 hours, there will be a lot of these questions. will any of it be filled in before official steps move forward? we don't know. but this certainly is a sign that the investigation led by former fbi director, now the
appointed special counsel, robert mueller, is a serious one. and the resources that are being expended are resulting in some kind of indictment. and then in sort of a parallel track, we know that the congressional committees are continuing their work. this covers all kinds of areas from financial dealings of some of the individuals who have been in the president's orbit, some of their lobbying, comments they may have made. meetings that have been held with russian officials or figures. a whole array of different sort of vin yets in a very long national story, and we don't know what will expose someone to criminal liability, but we may find out all of that on monday, a major step in this investigation. >> real quickly, i know we didn't really -- we're focused on the white house, but because you have such great work on the hill and well sourced, trusted people. has there been congressional reaction from certain people that you've spoken to about what that means? >> there hasn't been in large part because some of the key
figures who would be involved in the investigations, to our understanding, have not been fully briefed on the contents of the indictment. these are parallel tracks and there's been effort made to not step on each other in terms of the congressional and the special counsel. but we haven't heard anything except sort of that anticipation of what will this tell us, is it the beginning of a series of indictments? is it intended to leverage other parties that have been a part of this case? those are all of the things that will be explored in the days ahead. >> kelly o'donnell at the white house, thank you very much. i want to remind everybody, as to how we got to this point. a quick look back for you. we only have to go back roughly to march 20, when then fbi director james comey confirmed during congressional testimony that the fbi was investigating the trump campaign's potential ties to russia. >> the fbi, as part of our counterintelligence mission is investigating the russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016
presidential election. and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the trump campaign and the russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and russian sources. >> okay, so you go from march to then just may 9, two months later with president trump firing comey, citing his handling of the investigation into hillary clinton's private e-mail server. two days after that firing, he told nbc news, that is he in terms of trump, telling lester holt, what else was on his mind when he made the decision to fire comey. >> i said to myself, i said, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a made-up story, it's an excuse by the democrats for having lost an election, that they should have won. >> so less than a week after that interview, deputy attorney general rod rosenstein named robert mueller special counsel, giving him broad control over the federal government's investigation of the trump team,
specifically for russia. we now flash forward five months and this news, breaking this afternoon, that the first major indictment with nbc news confirming it now of this investigation, will come on monday. one single indictment could involve multiple people. so when we categorize this in legal terms, we just don't know the expectation of how this is going to -- how this rollout will take place early next week. joining me is nbc news intelligence and national security reporter ken dilanian, elizabeth holtsman that recommended three articles of impeachment against richard nixon. also with me, former senior director of the national securi security council and white house correspondent sarah westwood. all right, so four enormous brains right here to break this down for everybody at home. because it is a little bit
confusing. ken, let me begin with you. walk us through the scenarios and expectations for monday. >> well, thomas, if, as our sources are telling us, this indictment is made public monday, i think it's going to have a significant and hard to predict impact, because what this is, the american public has been hearing a lot about this investigation for many months. but now they will see an investigation into the president's campaign, whether it colluded with russia, has resulted in criminal charges. and then the question will be, are these figures close to the president? and are these charges related to russia, or are they ancillary, tangential charges like lying to federal investigators or tax evasion? i think the very to that question will tell us how much of a political impact this will have. in terms of procedurally, how the day will go, one or more defendants will turn themselves in or be arrested. they'll have an appearance before a federal magistrate, be granted bail. but the answers to the big mysterious, i think will tell us
how the day will unfold, how significant it will be. >> i know a lot of folks are working on trying to advance this story. so is there any indication of just how, like is it one person, is it singular, is it more than that? how big of a monday that this could be. >> there really isn't a clear indication, thomas. all we can do is base it upon what we know about the contours of this investigation and of course everyone is pointing to mike flynn and paul manafort, who have been out in front of this from the beginning. both men have had to register belatedly as foreign lobbyists. the mueller team had enough evidence to convince a federal judge to search paul manafort's house, which most legal experts say, if that happens to you, you're in big trouble. so these are the likely names that people are talking about, but it could be a name that the american public hasn't heard of, an ancillary figure in the investigation. we'll just have to see. >> congresswoman, as a former person that circulated in well established circles on the hill, having to deal with such great
issues, concerning national security or articles of impeachment, you're also a practicing attorney. explain to everybody about the triggers for when an indictment comes down and what it means for the person that is ensnared in that. >> well, the triggers are that the government has to have probable cause. grand jury has to -- majority of grand jury, 23 people, has to decide that there's enough evidence to warrant an indictment and the actions of the grand jury are supposed to be secret until the indictment comes down. >> the grand jury, though, those people on the grand jury, they are not under any type of gag order, correct? >> oh, yes. you can't talk about what's going on, on the grand jury. the only person who can discuss what's going on, on the grand jury is the witness himself or herself. they can't be stopped. but the grand jury, the prosecutors, it's all secret, actually to protect the innocent. if no one's going to be charged,
it could be very harmful if people know that there's a grand jury investigation. but once the indictments come down and people are arrested, i just remember watergate, you know, what was happening there was that the congress was conducting investigations. we had the senate select committee. but at the same time, the watergate special prosecutor was pursuing indictments and pursuing plea bargains and pursuing guilty pleas and moving forward. and that also provided a lot of the evidence that helped to move the impeachment process forward. so this is very dangerous for the president of the united states. >> because of the pace of this investigation, the idea of a bargain for certain people is going to advance certain aspects, tektonically shift the focus of bob mueller and his team. >> what worries me a lot is that you know that president trump made some statements about how
he had complete pardon power a while ago. and that may have been designed to send a signal to everybody who could have been complicit in a criminal act, not to tell the truth. because they could expect a pardon. and that worries me a lot. but i will say, that if that happens here, we could see a fire storm, and we could see an impeachment process. >> and the other thing is, the reporting about trump will personally pay for the legal bills of any staff that has been caught up in this, being the benefactor of folks that need that type of expert legal help in all of this, is also a caveat of consideration for people. >> but that would be an abuse of power, in my view. he cannot in any way interfere with this criminal process. and if they do, if the white house does, they're asking for big trouble because that's what was a big problem in watergate. >> not so much the crime as it is the cover-up, congresswoman. we know that you'll be watching this closely on monday, and there's been so much talk about
where the steel dossier potentially falls in all of this. from the headlines that you've been reading, how much significance have you given to what people suggest that christopher steele was able to put together in that dossier? >> well, thomas, we know a couple things about the steele dossier. we know a bit more about who paid for it. but to my mind, the much more significant question is the credibility of the source of the dossier, that is christopher steele, as well as his sub sources, the people that provided him with the information that he used to put the dossier together. when it comes to christopher steele, we know the fbi deems him to be credible. the fbi has worked with him in a previous investigation, the fifa investigation. we know that the fbi was prepared to work with him as late as october on this very matter before the document -- before the dossier became public. so christopher steele is a well known entity to federal investigators. what we don't know much about are his sub sources and the individuals, presumably, some
located in russia, who provided him with this material, some of which is quite salacious as we all know. but the other thing is, there have been major elements of the steele dossier that have panned out. one of the central elements, the russians and it was written in june of 2016, last year, that the russians were going to mount a multi-prong campaign to advance donald trump and denigrate hillary clinton. that was written before the united states government reached that conclusion. so it seem like there could be more truth in those pages. >> when we think about the authority that the mueller team has to probe members of the trump team and the president himself, how important do you think the access to irs records has been? >> well, my guess is that mueller's team is looking very closely at irs records. we have to remember that there are really three mandates when
it comes to mueller's investigation that was handed down by the deputy attorney general. one is obstruction of justice. two is collusion with the russians. and then three is this much broader prong, any matters that arose, any crimes that arose or may arise from the investigation. so i think that is where you are going to see on this broader prong, things like tax evasion, things like lying to federal investigators. where you're going to see mueller's team sifting through any and all financial records they can acquire. not only on president trump, there may be that, but certainly people like mike flynn and paul manafort. two of the prime suspects that a lot of people are eyeing as the targets of this as of yet sealed indictment. >> sarah, i want to ask you in hindsight as a white house correspondent, do you think that this week has played out in such a fashion that the trump folks knew that this was coming down the line? >> well, i think the white house has expressed for a long time, a
few weeks now, that they did believe the mueller investigation was coming to a close. sarah sanders has said that from the podium in the briefing. they think because the mueller team has been investigating some of the higher ranking people inside the white house, that they have been moving towards executing search warrants on principals that they believed that the probe was winding down. so i don't know what the white house was entirely surprised to see that this indictment was coming. it's difficult for them to prepare a defense before they know the nature of the indictment, before they know who or how many individuals will be indicted on monday. because the nature of their defense will change dramatically based on what kind of indictment we see. if it's something totally unrelated to russian collusion allegations, that might give the white house and republicans some cover to try to distance themselves from the underlying accusations of russian collusion. if it is something related to collusion, that's going to be a calamity on a whole nother level for the white house.
>> when we think about that and what happened for president clinton and ken starr and the cope of where that investigation started, as to where it ended up, how important is that for the integrity of what a mueller team is doing, in looking back in historical context? >> well, it's absolutely true that special counsel investigations have proven unpredictable. they go off in different directions. they often charge crimes unrelated to the underlying centrality of what they were starting to investigate. so it would be utterly unsurprising if mueller ends up charging people with bank fraud, tax fraud, money laundering, tax evasion. he's looking at people in the international real estate business. nobody would want the fbi crawling through their business records and that's exactly what these gentlemen have at this point. >> congresswoman, as someone on the front lines of what happened for watergate and we think about the high benchmark of what it would be to go after collusion,
is it just easier to go for obstruction of justice and also as ken was pointing out, to follow the money, basically, to look at connections as opposed to teams actively working together, hand in hand, to throw this election? >> well, it could come at it in two ways. one is, i think we have remember that mueller is a very serious guy. he's got enormous experience, not just as director of the fbi, but he was a federal prosecutor before that. he's amassed a team that's extremely highly respected for their expertise, money laundering, international financial transactions and so forth. so i don't think there's any question that he's looking in an extremely serious way. i would be surprised if he's winding down the investigation. what this shows is that they're very seriously going forward. on the other hand, you can't get everything all at once. so it may be that at the same time, they may be trying to, if
they find some smaller issues, with some of the people who have been mentioned, for example, paul manafort or mr. flynn, then what could happen, these people could be indicted in connection with smaller issues, and then use that as leverage to get them to explain what happened at higher levels. so i think we could be seeing a lot of different things happening here. there's no way to predict that's going to happen. i think it's a very good sign in a way, that mueller has kept the secrecy of the grand jury procedure and nobody knows what's going on. it's a very good sign about the professionalism of it. but the professionalism is what should send the strongest warning to donald trump, you can't fool around with robert mueller. it's not going to happen. >> everybody keep your seat belt on, toes and fingers inside. great to have you all with us today, we appreciate it. so what will this potential
indictment mean for a trump administration. we'll dive into how this team can respond to an investigation that had dismissed, called the russia story a hoax all along. >> the entire thing has been a witch-hunt and there's no collusion. >> if any collusion took place, it would be between the dnc and the clintons. >> russia is fake news. where yoe multiple quote options online and choose what's right for you. woah. flo and jamie here to see hqx. flo and jamie request entry. slovakia. triceratops. tapioca. racquetball. staccato. me llamo jamie. pumpernickel. pudding. employee: hey, guys! home quote explorer. it's home insurance made easy. password was "hey guys."
so one year ago today then fbi director james comey announced the re-opening of the agency's inquiry into hillary clinton's private e-mail server after uncovering emails in an unrelated investigation. that announcement came less than two weeks before voters cast their ballots for the 2016 election. >> the fbi, after discovering new e-mails, is re-opening their investigation into hillary
clinton. i have great respect for the fbi for righting this wrong. we hope all -- all -- justice will finally be served. >> the news in morning is, this is bigger than watergate. >> fast forward to 2017 and it's not hillary clinton's name being mentioned in the same breath as watergate. we now know nbc news confirming that special counsel bob mueller will file his first indictment connected with the russian probe on monday. joining me now, charlie savage, msnbc contributor and legal contributor at the "new york times" and josh barrel, senior editor at business insider. it's the precipice of an edge we're about to go over together. the white house can't shake the russia investigation, obviously not because bob mueller's over there doing his thing. what implications does this have for the administration trying to move forward, in terms of any plot, any course that they want to be effective on?
>> i think it depends to a great extend on who gets indicted if this indictment does materialize on monday and what the indictment is for. to the point of one of your previous guests, this scandal has gotten a lot of coverage, but it's going to become a lot more real for a lot of people who don't follow this obsessively. when there are criminal charges and when it's not rumor and argument about whether something bad happened or not, but a criminal case, meeting a standard where they're able to get a grand jury to indict. that will draw a lot of attention. that said, because this like so many special counsel investigations has gotten pretty sprawling, it's possible we'll see sdiindictments for matters t are not closely related to donald trump's and russia's involvement in the election. stuff with paul manafort's finances and the like. if the indictment is peripheral like that, the white house will be able to say, they didn't find anything core on russia on collusion, which is not to say that bob mueller won't later, but they'll seize on that now it that happens. and you'll see this odd effort
that the white house has made in the past to downplay paul manafort, who was running this presidential campaign for several months. acting like, who is paul, he worked here for a couple of weeks, who's that guy? so i think they'll distance themselves if it's paul manafort or mike flynn indicted. if it's an indictment relating to russia and the campaign, that could be even more explosive. but any indictment is going to be damaging. >> so off of josh's point, so a single indictment, though, while damning, this could include and wrap up multiple people. so it doesn't have to necessarily be interpreted that there's only one person that's going to be charged in all of this, correct? >> that's right. but i think to pick up on something josh was saying as well, i would be surprised, of course this is all speculation by everyone at this point, but i would be surprised if this indictment is going to be squarely about trump/russia in any respect. it's too early. mueller is still pursuing that
investigation. he's still interviewing people in the white house. he's not done yet. the indictments that are on that issue you would expect if there are any, would come at the end of that. whereas we've heard for quite some time that the peripheral issues surrounding paul manafort or michael flynn, about money that had to do with turkey in flynn's case and ukraine in manafort's case, that stuff they seemed to have finished up their investigation on, done the raid of the house and so far. so it seems much more likely that this is going, for all the sort of hype that's surrounding this, who's it going to be, what's it going to be, i would not be at all surprised if on monday if this does come to pass we're looking at something that doesn't have anything to do directly with russia, which i agree the white house will then say, see, this isn't even on point. it's beside the point. dongets y . >> do you think it could be that flynn and manafort had to retro actively register as foreign agents? >> that's part of it. but foreign agents for turkey in
flynn's case. >> turkey and ukraine. they're unregistered foreign agents, kind of important, who they're getting paid by, who they're doing what for. but you're thinking that could be just that simple, not some type of major opening salvo into what everybody has suspected or wants mueller to find, some type of collusion. it may not go there. >> well, it could be a step towards mueller trying to nail that down. right? the way to pressure people to flip and get them to cooperate is to indict them and say, we'll go easy on you if you provide information. so it's a stage -- a process that unfolds in stages. i don't think we're at the climax of this story by any means with this development. >> all right, everybody's going to try to keep their powder dry. going to be a long one. thank you both so much. from lashing out to love fest, what is really going on in the gop and the call to action that could impact that party. >> we are declaring war on the republican establishment that does not back the agenda that
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why didn't you speak up? what are we going to say? mr. president, i rise today to say, enough. >> hope that he would rise to the occasion as president and aspire to lead our nation instead of dividing it. and you know, it's obvious his political model and governing model is to divide. >> so we know the gop party is one that is divided, publicly, as we see right there with senate republicans squarely taking aim at the president. now steve bannon is intensifying his nationwide war against certain gop incumbents. nbc news has now learned that special counsel bob mueller will make the first indictment on monday public concerning the investigation his team launched into the potential collusion between the trump team and russia. despite all of this, the president insisting that his party stands together, and he tweeted the meeting with
republican senators yesterday outside of flake and corker, was a love fest with standing ovations and great ideas for usa. that was mid week. because he met with republicans on tuesday. after narrowly pushing through a new budget on thursday, we have house republicans racing to pass a new tax plan. they want to do it before thanksgiving. but will more gop defections actually derail the trump pledge to cut taxes? joining me now, former white house chief of staff and nbc political analyst andy card. it's great to have you here. >> good to be with you. >> just your reaction to knowing where the mueller team has landed so far with monday being this critical day of revealing some of their first work. >> well, if the stories are accurate that there will be indictments on monday and evidently the story are accurate, i just don't know who is nobody does, i would recommend that people in washington who have a job to do, not pay too much attention to that and focus on the job they have to do afor helping the
president get things done and helping congress pass legislation. i have been in the white house when there were investigations and announcement of indictments coming and my job as chief of staff was to keep everybody focused on doing their job to help the president do his job. so that's what i would recommend people do. yes, there will be a side show and a lot of interest, but i hope everybody will keep their head down and focus on the agenda of the president and try to bring it to reality. >> when we think about the experience you have, that you served with reagan and bush 41 and bush 42, how hard is that for people to try to stay on mission or stay on course with the jobs that they have, knowing that there could be undermining efforts over here, that are leading to some certainly substantial issues for people that have been involved with this administration prior to the point that they are now. like, if we're thinking about campaign folks that are ensnared in all of this as opposed to
administration people. >> well, first of all, people should not be distracted by that which they have no control over. and they have no control over what the special prosecutor is doing. they have no control about what happens in a grand jury. and so i would say, try to find the discipline not to be p preoccupied with what everybody else in washington and even the united states is talking about, and focus on your job. the president only has so many days that he's president, and every day is precious. help the president do the job that day. so show up, do the job that day, say thank you very much for yesterday, and focus on your job that day. don't worry about tomorrow. and that's the discipline that i would try to bring to the white house. with regard to what's happening in the republican party, yes, i don't like what steve bannon is doing. steve bannon is driving a wedge in the republican party and he's certainly not helping president trump. this is the last thing that president trump needs is to deal with a fracture in the
republican party. and if steve bannon is trying to fracture the republican party, he is providing a great disservice to a president that he says he supports. this is not helping president trump. >> so when you think about that, though, you're saying that he's dividing the party, bannon over here, and then you think of the statements and the way that senators bob corker and flake have acted towards the president, in one way you're saying, they need to get to work, try to help with the legislative agenda, but they're making statements that the president is unfit, they're not willing to run in the next campaign cycle. that they think that what he's done in terms of what he has said, not just in what is suspected for russia but how he has used the office. senator flake used his time on the floor the other day to say, it's time to stand up, because he's got kids and doesn't want to look back and think, why didn't we do something then? isn't that a big divide? >> it is a divide, and i happen
to have great respect for people who have the courage to speak and do their job. and both senator flake and senator corker have said they will be doing their jobs. so they're not going to be pre-occupied eastern with tpre pre-occupied with the statements they made with president trump. i don't think either one of them are looking to undermine the president and what he's trying to do. they may just not agree with the president's temperament and how he's doing the job. that doesn't mean they disagree with the policies he wants to put in place. that's why the steve bannon efforts are not constructive for the president. the president is trying to build some kind of coalition to get things done. he wants to get things done. congress needs to get things done. and steve bannon is not helping the president accomplish what the president wants to do. so i find the greatest challenge today isn't that members of congress are speaking up about the president's temperament. it is what it is. he is our president, we want him
to succeed. we might not like how he's doing the job, but we want the job to get done. i think that's what steve bannon is undermining, the president's ability to get the job done. >> we're looking at the president doing the job today on the golf course. andy, this is exclusive video just in to us here at nbc news. the president had returned earlier, just roughly over an hour and a half ago to the white house, but this is video of him earlier today on the property of one of his virginia clubs, there doing the side arm pose, leaning his club on the green. when we think of the cult of personality that launched donald trump into politics and into the oval office against the contrast of cult of policy for what they have been able to accomplish. when it comes to this tax plan that's being discussed, does he have the juice to get it done? >> well, i'm impressed that they were able to pass a budget that will allow for the tax debate to take place under a climate of
reconciliation, where they only need 51 votes in the senate. the senate itself has not proven to be as functional as people thought it should be. and the democrats aren't offering any advice and counsel to get something done. so i'm glad that the house at least passed the senate version of the budget, which means that reconciliation rules will apply when they bring up the tax bill for debate. i'm confident that there will be the votes there to pass a meaningful reform to our taxes and bring some relief to the tax burden that the middle class is experiencing and hopefully give more momentum on the economic growth that we so desperately want, and we're seeing to have a start now, but we want it to continue. that means there must be greater certainty, so we have to have a tax bill passed. so i like that. i don't agree with what the president does all the time, and i certainly don't agree with the rhetoric that he uses and i wish he would taste his words before he spits them out or lick his thumbs before he sends a tweet.
i don't think he's going to do that. but chief of staff kelly is doing a remarkable job of bringing discipline into the white house and providing some action that can be taken to get the president's initiatives passed through congress. so i'm cautiously optimistic. i don't want to see the people who have to do their job being distracted by indictments that might come down or the work of the special prosecutor. i'd like the special counsel to do the job that has to be done, quickly, so that we can move on from this great debate. but those that have a job to do, focus on that job. the world is desperately looking for america's leadership and we want that leadership to be sound and solid and we need the economic stimulus to the economy that will come by having tax reform and i hope that congress will get that job done. >> andy, real quickly. are you a golf player? >> i'm a terrible golfer, but i love to play. it's just that people don't like to play with me. >> the president was on the
green there. i think he missed his putt and then did a drag of the ball into the hole. and then everybody moved on. >> presidents get a lot of discretion from other players when they're playing golf. i'm a witness to that for the presidents that i served. it's a good way for -- i do think it's important for the president to have a little time to get his mind off the burdens that he's carrying. remember, the president is the president 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and believe me, they carry a huge burden on behalf of all of us. >> golf is all about the short game. that's for sure, though. and andy, i was just in new hampshire, you still have all the leaves. it's gorgeous. >> it is beautiful. i tell you, this week was primetime viewing and we live in jafly, new hampshire, one of the most spectacular places to view foliage and it's been wonderful to see the foliage and to see so many people coming to new hampshire to experience it. so come back. >> i was up there with my dad
because hour family is originally from dover. he goes late because he's cheap. but we got lucky because it's been so mild and the leaves were still up. it was a good time. andy, thank you very much. great to see you. >> great to be with you, thank you. so a little programming note for you. tomorrow our kasie hunt is sitting down in an exclusive interview with senator rand paul. you're going to find out where the kentucky republican is standing on the gop civil war, tax reform, and his relationship with the with the. that's coming up sunday night right here on msnbc 7 to 9:00. >> that call for federal investigation into the aftermath of the disaster in puerto rico, an update on the recovery efforts there. more than a month now after maria devastated the island. a. i kind of feel like it's a game changer. i wouldn't go that far. are you there? he's probably on mute. yeah... gary won't like it. why? because he's gary. (phone ringing) what? keep going! yeah... (laughs) (voice on phone) it's not millennial enough. there are a lot of ways to say no.
island's power grid. joining me now democratic congressman luis gutierrez of illinois. sir, it's good to have you here. first, i want to get your reaction to the mueller probe and the news that nbc confirmed about the first indictment coming out on monday. >> well, i think it's the first of many. it's clear to me, given everything that been written and exposed since after the election of the president almost exclusively that this investigation and so i'm delighted to hear that the senators are going to protect the mueller investigation. because i think transparency and clarity is what we need. i think mueller's going to be the right man for the job. >> when we think about this could be something connected to the suspicion of any type of russia coordination or not, sir, how much do you think that mueller risks any type of
integrity of what his team has been tabable to do if they deli on something that many americans aren't expecting? >> look, i think mueller has to go where the evidence takes him. i think that's exactly what he's doing. he's interviewing so many people at the white house and within the periphery of the trump campaign, and he should do exactly that. i am happy that he's doing it, that doesn't mean that we are somehow relieved of our work as a member of judiciary committee. i'm working with other colleagues also at looking at what it is donald trump has done. we can't get the majority on the judiciary committee to do its job. so really it's kinda good, as the framers said, you know, if the house of representatives and those elected to the house and the senate won't do their job, well, that's what we have an independent judiciary. so i'm happy he's doing t because let's face it, they're not going to do it in the house
of representatives and whatever work they're doing in the senate isn't going to be as incisive and quick as the work mueller's going to do. so i say god speed to him. >> i know this is a major story, but also the ongoing efforts in puerto rico, that's going to be a long road for a lot of folks, and you have some eyewitness stories for us because you just returned from the island. explain what you've seen, how far they've come, how far they still need to go. >> when they tell you two-thirds of the island has water, that's just not true. when they tell you that 20% of the grid has been restored, not when i came back. san juan comes and goes in terms of the energy grid. you have to remember one thing about water, when you don't have pumps and electricity, the water of the sewer system combines with fresh water, thereby contaminating the complete water system, and most people don't rely on the water anymore. i've gotta tell you, i don't know what question i got asked
more by the poppingulation ther where is fema, do you have fresh water you can get me? i think it's sad and deflplorab. there are still over half a million people in puerto rico that are homeless. we are not doing the job in order to get them the protection from the basic elements. that's what i saw. and these first responders are your neighbors, are your friends, your church. i went to loisa on the northeast coast. it's devastated. looks like a third world country. i knew puerto rico had poverty, but what this hurricane itself done, just laid that poverty bare. you know what they told me, the officials, i get more from the synagog in miramar, an exclusive part of san juan, from that sin g gog. we get generators and food and
rice and support. and thank you, because the america government isn't up to the task. >> we know there have been so many folks that have worked to donate things, time, effort, and certainly basic needs for people. but this other story about whitefish commanding a lot of headlines and this has to do with the interior secretary, ryan zinke, and any connections to a two-person team in his hometown of whitefish, getting this $300 million contract to go in and work on the power grid. what have you learned about the nature of the contract and how inside baseball has this been for this team to get this job and vetted by fema, to get on the ground in p.r.? >> you know, you and i have both read about insider stories about those that are connected to the governor or the mayor or the president. i'm going to tell you, all those stories and all those events are deplorable events. why is this one almost to the
level of criminal? because people need their insulin. there's a huge community of diabetics, without refridge ragedz, you can't get it. there's chemotherapy that needs to be conducted. there are people that are sick, there are children without their milk. and you can't get an island back on its feet and a lot of the suffering that i saw, it won't all be erased because you establish the electrical grid. but people will get fresh water. people think there's no relationship between water, you think, you open your faucet and somehow it just comes out. no, you need pumps and those pumps are run by electricity. and given the need for water and how sacrosanct it is to life and how sacrosanct the electricity has become to the survival of people that are ill and infirm, and to senior citizens with oxygen tanks that don't work, wow, why would you screw around with a contract like that, when you know you're putting the
people's lives at risk? i've seen a lot of arrogance when it comes to contracting and insider kind of trading because you know the governor or the mayor, you know somebody important, but i've never quite seen somebody put at risk, such a population of people. >> we know the governor has called for a review of contract likely review for many more because the work needs to be done and people need to get their lives going again. >> they need electricity. >> back in a moment. stay with us.
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number one, that lee harvey oswald committed the assassination, and secondly, the warren commission decided that we found no evidence of a conspiracy foreign or domestic. >> there we have former president and warren commission member garod fo gerald ford in a 1999 interview. and the assassination is getting another look by conspiracy buffs. the latest release of documents offering new information concerning events before and after the fateful day in dallas in november 1963. president trump initially blocked the release of some
material because of national security. moments ago he tweeted again for the second time in 24 hours that he will release all of the files. nbc's pete williams has more for us. >> reporter: the documents offer more proof that the secret service was apparently never told lee harvey oswald might be a danger to the president, even though the cia and fbi had him under surveillance for months as a potential communist threat. oswald was added to the list of threats to the president november 22, 1963. reason, "kill jfk." >> he was a misfit and a sociopath who defected to the soviet union. rare enough so that the fbi and cia should have made sure the secret service was aware of him. >> reporter: a just released memo says soviet officials thought the assassination was a conspiracy on the part of the ultra right to start coup worried that "some irresponsible general might launch a missile at the soviet union."
and j. edgar hoover was furious at bas police when oswald was shot in the basement of police headquarters. >> he's been shot. he's been shot. lee oswald has been shot. >> reporter: the memo says the fbi warned police oswald was in danger after an anonymous caller said a committee was formed to kill him. hoover said it's important to have something issued, "to convince the public oswald is the real assassin." historians say many u.s. officials thought it would start a war in americans thought the russians or cubans were responsible. >> keep in mind, the cuban missile crisis happened just a year before. we were terrified of thousands of nukes hitting us and johnson and hoovger didn't want to go there again. >> reporter: conspiracy theories abounded oswald was a cy cy agent or informant. one of the documents, richard helms asked in 1975, is there any information involved with the assassination of president kennedy which in anyway shows
that lee harvey oswald was in some way a cia agent or agent? the document ends there. another question still unanswered. >> interesting. that does it for me tote on msnbc. i'm thomas roberts. thank you very much for your time. the news is going to continue right now with "a.m. joy." i think the uranium sale to russia and the way it was done so underhanded with tremendous amounts of money being passed, i actually think that's watergate modern age. all signs point to the likelihood robert mueller's sprawling russia investigation is drawing to a conclusion. cnn and the "wall street journal" and reuters reported special counsel robert mueller filed his first set of charges in a sealed grand jury indictment. anybody charged could reportedly be taken into custody as soon as monday. donald trump must feel the heat, could explain why he was