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i know i'll see her again. and that gives me hope. >> we got in the car and we never went back. >> she spent decades trying to find her way home again. and as you saw her on "dateline," she finally made it, she thought. >> i think i'm rhonda christie, or do you know rhonda patricia christie? there was a long pause. >> when we first told her story,
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>> when i looked at the e-mail, i just couldn't even believe it. >> something quite incredible happened after our show ended. and now, after so many tears, so many years, so many turns in pepper's story -- >> i was, like, whoa! >> -- there are still more stunning twists to be revealed. >> it's amazing. the best gift ever.
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like living without a floor beneath you, not to know those now, real truth can be illusive. it can hide. >> a twin canopy bed with pink ruffles around it, kind of waved over the top of it. >> it was dreamlike, really. and for years it was all that felt real in her upside down life. >> and it was all pink and white, and everything matched. >> the closet full of dresses, the dolls, the teddy bears. >> actually there was a little old-fashioned where you put the baby in the wagon. >> and the reason for those tormenting memories?
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>> it's a lot of hurt and sadness. sadness for the little girl that didn't have a life. >> for most of her life, the part after that little girl's bedroom, she has been pepper, and the baffling, terrifying story of what happened to her, kidnapped, held captive for years is the reason she gripped that life preserver of a memory. shocking where that memory will lead by the end of this hour. she was, she is certain of this, an only child and spoiled, most likely. showered with attention and toys and dresses by the parents whose faces she cannot quite pull into focus. they're in their little apartment. was it san diego perhaps? >> it looks like a very happy childhood, like love was there. >> she know there were two parents, blonde beehive on her mother. but her mother's name lost now. though there was a nickname, bobbie. and in those early years she was always, always there.
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her father, on the other hand, was absent mostly, long stretches away, punctuated by glorious reunions when she'd be bundled up like a china doll and bustled off to the harbor where the navy ships would come in. >> we would go see him because he was coming in from the navy so it was an exciting moment. she would get us all dressed up and it was the anticipation of going to the shipyard and having a lot of attention i think as a child. >> the memories are how she survived it, all the trouble. >> holding my mom's hand, having fun with my mom, being in the moment of joy. i don't have bad memories. >> oh, yes, those, the bad memories. like the day everything good went away. it was 1973, though she in her happy little childhood bubble had no idea what year it was. she knows she was not yet 5, it was autumn, that somebody came to the door with a plan. >> i remember a woman coming over and knocking on the door.
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>> her name was shirley. she was a friend of her mother's. she said the girl she brought with her was renee and renee was 6, little older than. didn't matter. they dashed off to her bedroom to play. this is renee now. that room is stuck in her memory, too. >> her room was gorgeous, a nice sized room for a little kid, you know. she had a canopy bed. she had tons of dresses, toys galore. >> and you had none of that. >> no. i was, like, wow, this is nice! >> an alien world to renee, the most wonderful thing she'd ever seen. and while the little girls played in the bedroom, shirley was with bobbie in the living room talking. then she called renee. >> so i guess when it was time to leave, i didn't want to go. i said, can we stay longer? >> no. but your new friend is coming with us, said shirley. >> oh, okay. so she came, and that's how everything started. >> so it did. it was to be an overnight, the girls were told, a little fun.
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they'd stay with shirley in her los angeles hotel room, return the next morning. that was the plan, said shirley, but shirley lied. >> we got in the car and we never went back. and my life completely changed from that point on. completely. >> this woman took you away. >> yes. and this was our -- >> and you wouldn't be taken home again. >> no. never again. >> do you remember that feeling? >> yes. it was so difficult. >> she had been kidnapped. there was no little girls overnight in shirley's motel room. they stopped there only to pack some belongings, hit the road, and a blissful childhood ended the fog of history, the memory of the beautiful bedroom. all she had to confront the nightmare just beginning. >> i knew that everything that was happening to us was completely wrong at a very, very young age.
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the story you'll hear now lives in the vivid, so real you could touch them memories of two frightened girls. it began in a downmarket hotel whose l.a. neighborhood was most decidedly not child friendly. it was to be a one-night sleep-over with new friend renee. instead, the adult who had brought her here, a woman named shirley, simply didn't take her home again. instead, she packed some belongings, put the girls in her
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car and hit the road. where did they go? they had no idea, but she knew from now on she had a new name. they called her pepper. pepper smith. she was not yet 5 years old. >> we lived in cars and motels and going from state to state, staying at salvation army s to get a meal here and there. >> what's it like to live in a car? >> it's horrible. it's embarrassing. >> she was frightened and confused. she begged, take me home. shirley ignored her. she imagined running away. >> i had nowhere to go and i was too scared. >> then, as the weeks and months and then years went by, as her powers of reasoning grew, the question grew, too, did her mother bobbie actually give her away? shirley told pepper that renee was her sister. the two girls listened wide-eyed
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as shirley explained to strangers that she was their grandmother, that their parents had been killed in a car accident. >> i knew that everything that was happening to us was completely wrong at a very, very young age. >> why had she been taken? she didn't know. not for money, certainly. there were no ransom demands. and without pepper's birth certificate, shirley couldn't use her to score public assistance, though she did use renee that way. frightened, compliant renee, eager for a mother's love, even if that mother figure was shirley. >> i never wanted to do anything wrong. i felt like if i did something wrong or whatever she wouldn't love me. she would give me away. >> wouldn't love me? shirley told her, says renee, that she was born to a prostitute drug addict named jeri, that shirley saved baby renee, raised her as a daughter but kept renee in line by threatening to abandon her.
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>> did she ever threaten to do that? >> yeah. many times we'd do something wrong and she would say, well, you stop doing that or i'm going to send you off to jeri's house. >> and so they lived a life of packing up and fleeing state to state, one flophouse to the next, searching for the cheapest place to stay and then skip out of. hunger constant. medical care nonexistent. when money ran out, as it often did, shirley drove to the nearest truck stop. the girls would bed down in the car and watch shirley sneak off to do, well, they didn't know. and alone and frightened, they held onto each other and watched the shadows of strange men pass by their car. until the night when, terrified and unable to sleep, renee followed shirley. >> she's taking a long time and i'm getting scared because i'm thinking she left or she's dead or something. so i go into where they work on
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the cars, and she's like on the side over here and he's on top of her. and i didn't know what was going -- i got scared. then she seen me and she yelled at me, get out of here! go! >> at least then they had a bit of money. but always pepper was afraid. afraid to ask for help, afraid to ask why she'd been taken, afraid of shirley's threats. >> she would scare us to believe that we were in a better place. she was doing something good for us. >> did you ever understand why she wouldn't take you back home? >> her personality was very up and down, like very angry and so if i asked questions she would say stuff like, if you want to find your mom, she's on the streets shooting heroin and a prostitute. >> tirades were frequent, neglect part of life, verbal and physical abuse a regular occurrence. >> she would whip us with a
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belt, slap us, verbally cuss at us, verbally abuse us. >> and threaten to send you away. >> right. >> i just took the belt because it just -- if you take it, this is -- it's hard to explain. but if you just take it, it -- she gets out of the rage faster, so to speak. >> they went to school when they could, made very few friends and lost the ones they did make. struggled to be ordinary kids and then normal teenagers. >> all i wanted to be was loved. that's it. and i never got any kind of love that i wanted. >> instead, they were trapped, truck stop nomads in the care of a woman who had seemed clear had kidnapped at least one if not both of them. and they drifted one dump to another across any number of state lines for years. then sometime in the early '80s they settled down here. shirley pulled up to this motel
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in los angeles county and took a job as the motel's cleaning woman in exchange for a free room. and, if it wasn't much, at least it gave them some measure of stability and they signed up at a local school, junior high for pepper, high school for renee. much to shirley's dismay. girls don't go to school, she said, they get married. i didn't like being late to school, being absent all the time. >> so they got themselves up every morning and went to school and kept going. and then pepper was 12, eight of those years with shirley, when she saw her chance to escape and seized it. she made herself useful as a babysitter for the couple next door in room 109. and when the family moved out of the motel, pepper went with them. but it didn't last long. pepper's new household caught in its own spiral of alcoholism and
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dysfunction was as troubled and messy as her own life was. she swallowed her pride and moved back to room 110 colonial motel. but by that time she says renee didn't care what she did. >> when i was so-called running away, plotting the action, i was in my mind going, i'm going to show her. i remember thinking she would care. but she didn't care. she didn't come to get me. >> still, having tasted freedom once, pepper was determined to get away from her kidnapper for good. the second time she took a chance, moved out with a family and a second time had to return. and then, finally, by the time she turned 16, pepper left for good. but that meant she left renee behind, too, renee who so needed pepper and was alone now with shirley. >> she was my best friend growing up. that was my best friend. we did everything together.
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we fight like sisters. we did everything together. >> renee was feeling abandoned. >> i was telling her, don't go, you know. stay here. i need you. you're my sister. so she went. she did her thing. and i was upset and i was sad. >> by 1986 and on her own now, pepper had all but given up hope that she'd ever find her real parents. but now she began to encounter a more immediate problem. the inevitable trouble that comes with having no real name, no birth certificate, no i.d. though she was enrolled in school under the name rhonda smith at shirley's urging, she had no way to prove this was her legal name and without some cooperation from shirley, her search for such documents seemed hopeless. and then -- how did you find out she was sick? >> she turned completely yellow and they diagnosed her with pancreatic cancer. and she literally died quickly after that. >> with shirley on her deathbed, pepper tried to act like the dutiful daughter, went to see
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her regularly, tried to make her comfortable. but there was another terribly important reason to see her then, maybe the most important. one last opportunity to find out who she was. as she was dying, do you try to find -- i mean, maybe she'd make a deathbed confession and say, i did take you and here are your parents' names and how to find them. did you ask? >> oh, yeah. >> and shirley had a response for the girl she renamed pepper. the question was, what could she do with that answer? coming up -- if jaycee dugard could be found after 18 years, certainly there could be hope for pepper. >> it triggered a lot of my own personal memories and how come i didn't get found. and i felt more missing. >> but would she be missing much longer? before i had the shooting, burning, pins-and-needles
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the girl they called pepper smith sat at the deathbed of the woman who had stolen her with questions burning in her brain. she had to know. who was she? where did she come from? who were her parents? what was her true identity? and at the very least, where could she find the documents that could give her a real life? she took a roundabout route, she asked the question indirectly. >> i took driver's ed just like
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any 16 year ode, i want to be free, work and be free from all of this. i have a plan, you know. i asked had her for -- i need my birth certificate, i need this, you know. she told me, they changed the laws. you can't get your driver's license until you're 18 years old. and i'm supposed to believe this, as i sit in the classroom where i have friends getting permits. >> of course. >> so she took the lies with her. she was not going to tell. >> what about the birth certificate? >> never really gave me a concrete answer. nothing. couldn't get anything out of her. the lies stayed with her. >> shirley knew the answers, of course, knew the whole bizarre story. but she looked pepper in the eye, through her obvious pain, and told her nothing. she left the lies behind and took the truth to her grave. on july 29, 1986, at the age of 63, she was buried here, this cemetery, in an unmarked grave.
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renee, now 19, got on with life, moved in with her boyfriend. soon pepper showed up at their apartment, homeless and nowhere else to turn. and everywhere pepper went from then on, shirley's poisoned gift followed. because of that woman and what she did, pepper was officially at least a nonperson. so it took a little while for her determination to come back. she was in her mid-20s, a single mother by then. if only she could find her birth certificate, that could lead her to her parents. anyway, she needed documents to live. she needed a passport. so she contacted state offices. their departments of vital records with perhaps predictable results. >> tell me what it feels like when you know you have to go to an official and ask for something that you really, really, really need and you kind of know you think how it's going to go. >> i get emotional usually. i usually cry.
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it was really -- i would -- it just brings me to a sad place. >> so you'd be sitting across the desk from somebody crying. >> oh, absolutely. >> and they wouldn't do anything for you. >> huh-hu. >> would say, i can't do anything for you, probably. >> you need this document. this is what you need to provide. >> sorry. >> i have no way to get this document because i don't know my parents' names and i don't know my real name. pepper. >> and, once again, pepper felt, perhaps understandably, like giving up. but, by then she was living with her daughter in south lake tahoe working as a waitress, and what do you know, hometown girl jaycee dugard, kidnapped years and years earlier, was found. >> the community was just buzzing all over the place with joy. and i was happy for jaycee lee. but it triggered a lot of my own personal memories, you know, and how come i didn't get found? and i felt still missing. >> so, once again charged up
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with determination, she launched a fresh attempt. turns out there's such a thing as adult adoption. find someone to adopt her, and even if she couldn't find her parents, at least she could get an official identity and a birth certificate and, thus, a passport. a friend offered to adopt her. so pepper and friend applied and waited. and something quite amazing happened. someone in that great california bureaucracy did some research. a lot apparently. actually talked to pepper, asked her questions, hauled out records, not readily available online. all pepper could offer were the names bob and bobbie and the date of her birth. and somehow, buried among all those files in all their hundreds of millions, a match. and there it was, came in the mail after all these years. a copy of her actual birth certificate. the key to unlock her past, though she had no idea then, looking at that birth
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certificate, that the appropriate question should have been this -- was this her real past? a journey ending? >> this is it. i was, like, whoa! >> or was it just beginning?
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37 years she had been searching for her parents, her life, her name. now, as she had given up ever finding the answer, here it was, a copy of her birth certificate with her real name in black and white, rhonda patricia christie, and the names of her parents, robert and barbara christie. >> this is it, wow, they were my parents, bobbie and bob. >> with their names and social security numbers, she and her friends tracked down a number in ohio. she dialed, a man answered. i said, are you robert christie?
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he said yes. i said, are you married to barbara blackwelder or were you? he said yes. i said, i think i'm rhonda christie or did you know rhonda patricia christie. >> this is who she was talking to, his name is bob christie. >> i almost dropped the phone. she knew i had hesitated and she said, this is your daughter rhonda. and there was something that clicked in my mind that i -- the voice rang a bell. >> and he called to my mom, barbara, to pick up the phone. he said, rhonda is on the phone. she picked up the phone and the first thing out of her mouth was, shirley stole you. >> pepper was shaking inside and out. >> i went into the most emotions i think i ever had in my life, ever. >> the memories were true, or so it certainly seemed.
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she got on a plane for ohio. they were all, of course, 37 years older and in a way strangers now. but here they were, all the images she had clung to in fantasy, dreamed about, for those 37 long years. >> and there you are in your bath. >> all those rolls, too. >> you was a chubby little baby. >> and happy. >> and look at you. just learning to walk and smiling the whole way. you had a good life, honey. >> i know. >> so it was happy and sad, comforting but also deeply strange. because, sitting on this couch, pepper heard some stunning revelations, such as, these were not her birth parents. she had been adopted and the arrangement was mysterious. and now is was barbara's turn to tell a story. shirley had been her friend, she
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said, had told her about a woman working in the sex trade named gerri smith who didn't want her babies. and one day shirley showed up at barbara's house with a 3-month-old baby she called rhonda patricia smith. barbara could see it was a little iffy, but she wanted that baby so badly. and so she said she ignored the red flags. >> no, didn't care. didn't really care. >> she was going to see to it, she said, that rhonda was loved and cared for by the best parents she could ever possibly have. bob and barbara legally adopted their little princess four years later in the fall of 1973. and it was shortly after that, said barbara, when shirley and renee showed up at her door. >> and the kids played together, and we visited together. and she asked if rhonda could come spend the night with renee. took me a while to get an answer
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to that. i really had to think about that hard. i'm one of these tenderhearted people, and i said, well, i want her to know her sister. >> her sister? yes, barbara told rhonda she and renee were half sisters. daughters of the same mother, the woman who worked the streets. barbara said by then she didn't trust shirley with rhonda, but -- >> i wanted rhonda to know her sister. i wanted her to have family and stuff, and i asked bob. he sno, she couldn't, at first. and then he relented, let her go. and next morning we went to get her, and they were gone. >> and they didn't come back. >> bob and barbara called the police right away, of course. but here's what they said they were told, that the police could do nothing for them since they had allowed rhonda to leave with shirley.
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they were on their own. and so, desperate, they said, they started their own search, discovered shirley had taken the girls to a relative's house several states away. but when they got there, it was too late. all that remained sitting on the porch were the little red shoes rhonda wore the day she was kidnapped. it was hopeless. they returned to their childless home. nothing left but the photographs of the little girl who stopped growing up for them at 4. and now? out of the blue, that phone call and here she was. >> pretty good. how are you? >> i'm good. >> it's definitely a gift. >> not only do we get a daughter, we got a granddaughter. >> just in time, it turns out. barbara has terminal cancer so these are minutes that count for a lot. >> yea! >> they celebrated. renee joined them for rhonda's birthday and the christies' 38th wedding anniversary. a happy reunion so of course we were happy to broadcast it all around the country.
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no idea that something quite unbelievable would happen because one of the people who tuned in that night was a woman named jeri. and, oh, what a story she had to tell. it was a story two sisters had waited a very long time to hear. >> 99.99% probability. >> that's it. >> yep. it's confirmed. and later in our second
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when we first told you the story about pepper smith and her lifelong journey to find her family, her identity, it was a friday night this past march. and the following monday morning -- >> my office received a call, and then i received an e-mail. >> attorney gloria allred found herself looking at a remarkable message.
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allred had been helping the two sisters deal with their new identity issues. and there it was, the ping of a message on her blackberry. >> when i looked at the e-mail, i just couldn't even believe it. i looked at it about three times. am i really seeing this? >> it was a woman claiming to be the biological mother of both pepper and renee. claiming to be the woman who, according to shirley and barbara, was a child abandoning drug addicted prostitute, probably dead. could this woman really be their mother? hardly a claim allred could take on simple faith. >> i asked her to come in to see me the very next day, which she was very anxious and happy to do. i asked her to bring whatever evidence she had. >> and, in that meeting, the woman presented her evidence. >> she brought some photos that she had of pepper and renee when they were very little. >> she told allred she had been
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a waitress when the girls were little. a photo of that and a picture of shirley and also a photo of a man she said was the girls' father, long since dead. she said her name was jeri. >> i asked her immediately, jeri, would you be willing to do a dna test? she said, i'll take the dna test, but these army children. i know it. >> allred put the dna test on the fast track and waited and within a week called pepper and renee to her office to hear in person the results of the test. >> 99.99% probability. >> that's it. >> yep. that means it's confirmed. >> that's it. i can't believe this is actually happening. >> how soon could they meet jeri? the sisters wanted to know. what is she like? how did she know shirley? >> we arranged a reunion for the next day. jeri arrived first and told us how she saw her long-lost girls on our program.
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>> i saw the picture of shirley. i went crazy. i was hysterical because i knew that's who she was. and then when i saw the girls, i knew they were mine. >> after all those years of looking -- >> 37 years and there they are. >> what did that feel like? >> it felt great. i had hoped i could find my children before i died because i'm getting old. that was just like a miracle. >> jeri's story? the shirley who took the girls had been her friend turned roommate turned babysitter. >> she said, i'll babysit for you, you know. i'll take care of her while you work. i said, well, that's great, because i really thought i was blessed. >> first it was renee she looked after, then renee and pepper. and then two years later little brother raymond leonard smith, jr. wait. brother? it wasn't just the two girls.
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there was a younger brother the girls never knew they had. the father wasn't around very much. jeri supported them all with what she could make as a waitress. and shirley made a change, a positive one, it seemed, at least financially. >> she got this job supposedly at the motel managing, which was further from where i worked, so i arranged with her to watch the kids while i worked. >> it was a godsend, really, since jeri had to be hospitalized for weeks after raymond was born and then get back to work and find a new home to take the kids to. >> i'd come out there on my days off and stay with the kids and spend some time with them. and so then i had called her and told her that i was coming to get the kids, and the next day i went out there and gone. >> not a sign of them. no kids. no shirley. frantic then, she went to the police.
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what did you tell them? your children had been kidnapped? >> yep. they took the report and that's the last i heard. >> did you go to them again? >> i went down and they told me the same thing. they hadn't found anything. >> jeri said she didn't know who else to talk to. so she looked on her own and found, year after year, nothing. had no idea, she said, that shirley had left pepper with barbara, that barbara persuaded a court that pepper had essentially been abandoned and thus could be adopted or that shirley stole her back again. and then there they were, telling their story on "dateline," telling how shirley and barbara had described her. >> yes, i heard what they said about me. i was not a street walker. i was a waitress all my life. >> they also said you didn't really want your children, you were happy to abandon them. >> i never abandoned my children.
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never. ever. and would never, ever do that. >> and she wasn't a drug addict either, she says. she's not had a smooth or easy life. and for much of it she has missed her children and blamed herself for what happened. trusting shirley? >> yes. >> and for not having those kids under your wing all the time. >> that's right. >> tell me about that. >> because to me i feel like it was my fault because i put them in the hands of this monster. >> we're in a hotel room in los angeles. jeri is eager, anxious, terrified. visibly shaking. and then they come around the corner. their first meeting in 37 years. >> wow. >> it's been a lifetime we've missed.
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>> oh, my god. i feel like i'm dreaming still. >> i know. so do i. >> i can't really get it yet. >> i can't either. >> i just want to see you. >> can i just stare at you for a minute? >> yes. you can do anything, honey. >> i don't have a memory of you. >>ed i'm sad because i was there with you. >> you're my mom. >> yes. you're my babies. you're my babies. it's been 37 years. so sad. >> and just about here, as they cling and cry, something rather magical happens. the center of gravity shifts. >> what happened? what happened? >> it's renee who wants the answers. >> i want to know what happened. >> you will know. i promise you. you were kidnapped. you were legally adopted. >> me, but what happened to me? she was adopted but what happened to me? i thought i would never find you ever. >> i thought i'd never find you either.
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i searched and i searched and i searched. i didn't know where to go. i had no money for an attorney. when i turned "dateline" on and saw you girls -- come on, honey. it's okay. >> i thought you didn't care about me. >> no. i loved you. both of you. i could never not love you. >> i was so mad at you. >> i'm sure you were. >> i was so mad at you because i didn't know. i thought you gave me away. >> they spent hours here talking about their pasts, their likes and dislikes, their amazing similarity. we gave them a few weeks to get to know each other, then sat down again with pepper and renee. so there it is, you have your mother. but what now? will you have a relationship with her? >> well, we're going to move her in with me. >> move into your house. >> yes. yes.
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once she gets all her affairs in order, we're going to move her in. >> why? >> because i want her. my husband wants her, too, there. i want to have a relationship with my mom. like i was telling you earlier, i want to go shopping, i want to have lunch, i want to go buy stuff. i want to have christmas, thanksgiving, her there with me. >> and pepper? well, for one thing, pepper has adopted her real birth name, the one her parents gave her before it was lost in the abductions and adoption. it's ronique smith. >> i feel very content that everything has taken place the way it has played out, finding my mom, my identity, the real identity, my biological father, seeing a picture of him. all these exciting things going on. but i think it's not over yet. i don't feel the journey is quite over yet. it's just starting.
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it was pepper's story when we began.
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pepper, now officially ronique, who set out to find a birth certificate and found a past richer and more complex than even she dreamed possible. to find first the mother of her memory and then her long lost birth mother, to discover that renee was her actual sister and now to learn she had a brother. raymond leonard smith jr. is what jeri called him before he, too, was snatched away, abducted by the babysitter, shirley. where was he now? jeri gave us a copy of his birth certificate. he'd be just about 40 now. and our chances of finding him seemed, frankly, slim. we called 40-year-old ray smiths all over the country. there were ray smiths in colorado, in maryland, in new jersey, in kansas. but did he go by the name ray smith? and then -- a callback. it was the ray smith from colorado.
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he had the right name, the right age, place of birth, had grown up without knowing any blood relatives. all that ray smith knew was his mother's name, according to his birth certificate, was jeri. he was starting to sound a lot like our ray. we asked if he would submit to a dna test. he agreed, and there was no doubt we'd found him. we brought ray and his fiancee to a los angeles hotel and showed him the story of his sisters. in a way, his story, too. >> i thought that the story itself was sad. sounded like they had a rough life. and it was really similar to mine. >> so it was. and it began the same way, too, when shirley took him from jeri, except ray was turned over to a woman named anna lee brown, who named him jimmy brown, the only name he knew growing up.
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>> she had told me that she had adopted me, but i was also shipped around a lot from home to home because she had a lot of health problems, from what i was told. >> he was neglected, he said, and often abused, bounced around for years. until anna brown shipped him off to a colorado couple when he was 14. and that's when he found his birth certificate, started calling himself ray smith and began puzzling over the apparently unanswerable questions of his life. >> why did ann name me jim brown if my name was really ray? how come i never knew about jeri? things like that. and then i wondered, you know, was i kidnapped? >> no answers from anna brown, who died soon after that. and, as for life in colorado, by the time he was 16 -- >> things were getting a little rough, maybe because of my past, i wasn't a real easy kid.
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so i was put into foster care. >> and then? he graduated from high school. he got a job, moved in with some friends and started his own rock band. this youtube video shows him singing lead. and, for all he's wondered about his past, he had come to believe he would go to his grave without ever meeting a blood relative. until now. >> wow, they're actually in the same building i'm in right now. that's amazing to me. >> and here they were. >> oh, my baby. oh! oh, it's been forever. >> it's great to see you. >> meeting family for the first time. >> you guys kind of look like me. >> after so many years. >> so this is my first time meeting my blood. >> i know! >> it's great.
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>> same mother and father. >> and this is how pepper's desperate search for a warm memory of a lost childhood ended. >> you look like our dad. >> you're great. >> far bigger than she imagined. far better. >> good to see you. >> oh, good to see you, too. >> the family that was stolen was found. >> it's amazing. >> the best gift ever. >> they sat here for hours, shared their photos, got to know each other, and made plans. like families do.
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these first indictments. maybe it's manafort, maybe it's flynn or somebody else. but what is the goal? >> i can't really speculate. >> everybody outside is speculating. >> we don't know. >> i have no knowledge. >> believe me, if you're the person, you know. >> in terms of trying to get mueller away, trying to fire him in some way, he's here to stay for a while. >> i don't see any reason why he should recuse himself. i haven't seen anything that makes me think he must step down. >> i would encourage my republican friends, give the guy a chance to do his job. >> i want to move to tax reform. >> let's talk taxes. >> we don't know what it is. >> this is going to be reducing the deficit. >> i think we need to accept that donald trump is our president. >> his approval rating is the lowest for a president in the

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