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for the victims killed today and those injured. together we remain strong. that is our broadcast for tonight. thank you for being with us and good night from nbc headquarters in new york. good evening from new york i'm chris hayes on what has been another overwhelming day of news. including several major developments stemming from yesterday's blockbuster indictments and the guilty plea that we now know is small part of the trump campaign ties to russia. we begin just a few miles away from here in lower manhattan. an attack here this afternoon now being called an act of terror has taken the lives of eight people and 1 injured. a man driving a home depot pick up truck entered a bicycle path coming from houston street, the
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truck drove south for nearly a mile striking multiple cyclists and pedestrians who were using that path there. the vehicle collided ultimately with a school bus at chambers street injuring two adults and two children. this is an image of the truck with investigators standing nearby. these videos appear to show the scene and the subject after he fled the truck but prior to his apprehension the suspect who has since been identified as sayful sayful sayfullo saipov. the suspect yelled alue akbar when he exited the vehicle. he was shot and wounded and taken to a local hospital. a paint ball gun and a pellet gun recovered at the scene according to officials. within hours new york city mayor bill de blasio and the governor of the state said the tragedy
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and believe that it is not part of a wider plot. >> let me be clear based on the information we have at this moment, this was an act of terror and a particularly cowardly act of terror aimed at innocent civilians, aimed at people going about their lives who had no idea what was about to hit them. we know this action was intended to break our spirit, but we know new yorkers are strong and resilient. >> there's no evidence to suggest a wider plot or a wider scheme. but the actions of one individual who meant to cause pain and harm and probably death and the resulting terror. >> police commissioner says
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security is being heightened for tonight's halloween parade downtown just about a mile or so from there. president trump earlier tweeted in nyc looks like another attack by a very sick and deranged person. law enforcement is following this closely. not in the usa. we must not allow them to return or enter our country after defeating them in the middle east and elsewhere. enough. nbc news correspondent christian dahlgren is at the scene with the very latest. what are things like down there? >> reporter: still a lot of activity down here. we've got the crime scene vans that are just heading into the area to start to process the scene. we've also got barricades going up and going up in many areas around this city tonight. you mentioned the halloween parade. it's been sort of dichotomy
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where you'll see all the police activity and then see little kids walking by in their halloween costumes. still a lot of people out here on the streets. mat halloween parade a few blocks from here is going on tonight though authorities say there is going to be a very heavy police presence both there and at different points around the city. earlier today we were down along that bike path, and a lot of people asking where was that protection, where were the stanchions. and there were stanchions along some parts of the bike path and then other parts of particular the two block area here that the driver went up, there was nothing protecting that bike path. and so that's where authorities say he went up onto the bike path hitting pedestrians, hitting cyclists. we've seen bicycles strewn across the path there and mangled. and the witnesses describing to
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us just the carnage that they saw after this. and then they heard those gunshots. that was police taking down this suspect after he brandished what appeared to be a pellet gun and perhaps a paint ball gun. but just a terrifying scene for them. earlier today, you asked about what's going on right now and a lot of people back out there and determined to keep living their lives here. >> christian dahlgren down at the scene in lower new york with the halloween parade still going on. glad that is still happening. pete williams joins me now. pete, what do we know about the status of the investigation into who this was? >> the investigation is proceeding along several fronts right now. authorities know who this was, they knew so shortly after the suspect was shot. you're looking at a booking of a previous run in with had law of
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sayfullo saipov. he's here with a green card, lawful permanent resident hooch he has a truck driver license and had been working as a truck driver and as a driver for a ride share service. and he is now in the hospital with his wounds. we understand that authorities are preparing to question him tonight, so that's one area of inquiry. talking to him himself. secondly, the vehicle that he drove today was a rented pickup truck from the home depot. we now know it was rented at the home depot in nooj. police are there now looking at the records he signed to get the vehicle and trying to chase the movements. you can see the vehicle there all smashed up. we don't know when it was rented. that's something they're trying to determine right now, what
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sort of i.d. he showed. it's interesting he did have a truck driver's license. so that would make home depot or any other rental agency more likely to rent a truck without asking a lot of questions. the third avenue of inquiry is to try to look at friends and relatives. now, we talked to one of his friends, someone who knew him in florida and kept in touch with him, and seen him just a couple of weeks ago and described him as a very friendly person, someone who did not seem like a terrorist, he didn't express terrorist views. he was a happy man, he said. so this friend is completely mystified that saipov would do this, would be accused of doing this. so that's another area of inquiry. and then finally something that's going to take longer, chris, is to look at his social media, his internet searches.
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was this person consuming isis or other terrorist propaganda? why did he do it? did he tell anyone about it? was anyone else helping him or aware of this? those are all big questions they're going to be answering. but this investigation is moving very, very quickly including the fact they're going to try to interview him in the hospital as soon as they can do that after whatever his treatment for the gunshot wound renders him sufficient to talk to them. >> pete williams, thank you. >> you bet. >> joining me now congressman, your reaction to what's happening in new york tonight. >> these are definitely challenging times in america. it seems we careen from one crisis to the next.
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now from las vegas to new york. now we're a community of resilient city, resilient country. we're a city that never sleeps. we're not going to move backward. we're going to continue to move forward. we're going to make sure we can support the families of those tragically killed today, support the victims of those recovering, support the first responders. the nypd has done a tremendous job not just today but in terms of keeping a city of 8.5 million people safe. we'll figure out what happened and also find a better way to better protect the city of new york in an era where lone terrorists want to create mayhem as was done in the city of new york today. >> i should note that of course is the halloween parade happening right here in lower new york. really honestly blocks from where the site of this happened earlier. congressman, the president
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tweeting about isis, not letting them into the country, before there's anything in the investigation, any facts or details i think privately or at least publicly connecting them to isis. what do you make of that? >> well, there's no evidence as you point out, chris, that the individual was inspired or connected in anyway to isis. and i think the president was premature in perhaps trying to draw a connection to whatever foreign policy initiatives he may have as it relates to war on terror overseas and perhaps was even alluding to his unconstitutional muslim ban. eight people were tragically killed today, several others were injured. we don't know the extent of those challenges. some may be possible life
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threatening. so i would urge the president and everyone to be responsible in their rhetoric, in their observations, in their commentary. as new yorkers, as a country we should come together and lock arms. people as you pointed out, chris, they're going to be out in the parade. it's a tremendous gathering of the gorgeous mosaic of new york city. but we want to be there for the families moving forward. and i would suggest the president leave his commentary and just expressing thoughts and condolences. >> we should note that -- congressman, thank you very much. nbc contributor is the lead correspondent on terrorism at "the new york times." you've covered truck attacks. you've covered attacks that range from directed to
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international terror organizations to inspired. what have you learned so far? >> number one, isis put out a series of posters that were translated in four different languages that called for attacks on halloween. it was issued in french, russian, in german, and in english. so that happened just yesterday. i find that curious. the second thing that is indicative i think here of a possible terror link is he screams alue akbar. presumably he speaks russian and english. he does not speak arabic as far as i know. he chooses to scream god is great. this could suggest this is the cry of one affiliated with these groups one would make. that said, there's no claim of responsibility from isis. none of the official isis channels have made any
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pronouncements about him. and so the investigation needs to further show these links if they exist. >> i should say we just got some reporting from jonathan dean, an nbc reporter in new york, saying there's a note in the truck claiming he's from isis. that's the first i'm hearing from that. >> if that's the case, that matches almost exactly what was said in isis' magazine. in a couple of issues ago they specifically said to do truck attacks. they said don't use a car. it's not heavy enough. and to be sure people know it's isis, leave notes. and they suggested throwing them out of the window of cars. so who knows. this also a style of attack of al-qaeda. again, it's too early to tell. but if that's the case, it seems to point in that direction. >> i'm not sure what to make of the spectacle of this individual
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running around having just murdered allegedly a bunch of people and then having on him a paint ball gun and some other sort of not actual gun and just -- it's just a very bizarre thing. has something like that happened before? >> the instructions isis gives is you should use a truck and go and kill as many civilians as you can. and you should get out of our truck and try to have a confrontation with more civilians using a gun or knife. and you should be a martyr using enemy fire. and thank god he wasn't killed because now they can question him. and that does present a ripple here. and that is isis in general does not claim attackers if they're in custody. remember the chelsea bomber. i was able to get copies of the chelsea bomber who very specifically mentions the
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spokesman of isis and the person calling for attacks overseas. isis never claimed it. we know that was a terrorist attack. and we believe it's because he's in custody. still to come, the day after the indictment, there are developments in the russia investigation. how george papadopoulos is only a small part of a much wider investigation. today we learn the names of just who else is caught up in that web. and more on how new york city has learned to fight terrorism over the last 16 years. some air fresheners are so overwhelming, they can... send you and your family running. introducing febreze one for fabric and air. no aerosols. no dyes. no heavy perfumes. it cleans away odors for a pure light freshness... so you can spray and stay. febreze one, breathe happy. when you're clocking out.
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today's deadly truck attack is just the kind of vehicle versus civilian attack that both isis and al-qaeda have encouraged their followers to execute as nbc's tom costelloe reports tonight such attacks are difficult to prevent. >> reporter: it's a growing terror tactic used around the world. a truck plowed through people on holiday. 86 killed, 200 injured.
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similar tactics used on the london bring last may. 8 dead, another 5 killed in march. around the world attacks in barcelona, stoke home, berlin. and at ohio state university, 11 injured. isis has called for this type of attack calling for trucks ask cars to mow down as many people as possible. >> these small scale attacks using tools widely available make suppressing this entirely not just difficult but entirely impossible. >> reporter: in new york it was a deranged suspect on drugs who killed a woman and injured 22 after driving through a crowd in times square. nypd commissioner james o'neil said this year it's now using city trucks to wall off large public gatherings including
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thanksgiving. >> we had sanitation trucks along the whole route. we did it on new year's eve. >> reporter: they also called on rental facilities, telling them to be aware. much more on that next.
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we have been tested before as a city very near the site of today's tragedy, and new yorkers
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did not give in the face of these kinds of actions. we'll respond as we always do. we'll be undeterred. >> mayor de blasio describing the incident today as an act of terror. jonathan dean, chief investigative reporter for nbc news -- as a lifelong new yorker, my first thought tuesday was we have gotten so a combination of extreme vigilance and luck on the part of new yorkers for 16 years that a punch of things that were planned or tried to execute didn't happen. >> a lot of plots new york has
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seen since 9/11. most of them thwarted and few isolated like knife attacks and now this with eight people killed and 11 injured. everything we're hearing appears to be isis inspired. we're told from sources the suspect left a note in the truck. he represented that truck at 2:00 this afternoon, it's about a 30 minute drive into the city. and he took that truck he rented from home depot and carried out the attack. >> counter terrorism forces and nypd who have huge amounts of large crowds constantly trying to protect, and now listening to adapting to the truck threats and the trucks around. >> i remember i was walking from the subway this morning looking at the barricades and thinking they love death, they hate life
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so maybe they'll -- you would never figure they would get the bike path down along the hudson river. and i guess the main thing is the trade center is still there. i mean that's still the -- >> the focal point. >> i mean he came right through that tunnel. if he came through that tunnel, those people would have been killed. would have never gotten through. you've got to think that some of those people probably never knew what happened. riding downtown, you don't look behind you when you're riding a bike. there's a lot of traffic on the westside highway and it's loud. and you would pay attention to a truck. and then all of a sudden you get hit. >> in a dumpster on a side street off the avenue. >> another lone attacker carrying a knife in queens targeting officers posing for a
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photo. so in terms of anniversaries, routines, targets, i think we're past those. >> i mean this plot consists of the guy going to home depot, renting a truck and driving through the tunnel. >> yeah, going to home depot, getting a truck and then pulling off the act. the nypd has built-up this sort of legendary kind of counter terrorism unit. how big a focus is this for the department? >> well, you had the whole world there. i don't know if you heard the scanner, the whole world, like shut this down, you had srg, src, counter terror, the bomb squad. the fbi was there. i mean the whole world responded to this, and there was this one guy, this one knucklehead who represented a truck. and they called hundreds of
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truck and car rental places. >> i didn't even know they had a set of protocols on truck and car rentals. >> but there's no way to protect a guy like this. >> truck rentals, hotels, you have a thousand police officers every day their only job is counter terrorism. that doesn't count the counter terrorism unit and police officer overseas and foreign dar r departments sharing intelligence realtime. and they are working side by side, hand in hand with the federal government doing all they can because they know new york remains the number one target. >> over the last few years you've seen these stanchions sprout up everywhere. and now you've just got them everywhere. i remember when the time square thing happened, someone was on
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drugs or alcohol, sort of possibly out of his mind, the thing that stopped that was he eventually hit one of those. and we've seen those come up all over the city. and those have proved to be remarkably important. >> the thing that really struck me, the whole thing down there, they shutdown all the schools. there's a grammar school right there a block away from this thing started or end, and you had it on lock down. and you had all these parents waiting for their kids on halloween. you're sitting there for three hours waiting for these kids. they weren't even born when the trade center got knocked down. and these terrified parents, these kids are wondering whether they're going to go trick or treating or not. one came out in tears. another came out saying trick or treat, smell my feet. that was her saying you're not
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going to ruin my halloween. >> a school bus today was targeted. disabled kids, three of them injured on that bus because police say he drove the truck deliberately. >> if you were going to aim at school bus, that's where you'd hit. >> still do not have the victims identified. there are eight confirmed fatalities and 11 injured at this point. hopefully that number stays right there. thank you for joining me. next, the amazing scene happening just 15 minutes away from today's attack where new yorkers are carrying on with their lives just hours after that attack in lower manhattan. stay with us.
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in less than 90 minutes that parade will kick off. we will proceed with the parade, and certainly we've added more resources, more police officers heavy teams leading to street to the route as well as more sand trucks. and there's also heavy weapons scenes being deployed. >> they did not cancel the halloween parade, just blocks away. there will be an increased police presence throughout the area and throughout the city. what's it like down there? >> reporter: yeah, so many people out here.
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i want to show you what you were talking about. the world trade center over there, and this is where the parade is. let me show you what's going on right now. this parade was not going to be stopped by terrorists, people here saying they didn't want the terrorists to win. in fact, if you take a look over here this crowd doing the thriller, mike jackson's thriller here. and if i take you over here you can kind of see along this line there are officers about every 10 to 15 feet. there's also officers on the other side of the street. we saw them earlier. they were talking to each other saying make sure you're keeping an eye on all the windows that are open. they've been very vigilant. they've got teams all throughout here. i want to talk to some of these families out here. in fact this is keanu and his
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father, jeff. what happened here today was so, so tragic. tell me why did you bring your son out here? >> we just got to come out and enjoy yourself. whatever happens, happens. >> reporter: how important is a night like this for your family, for you and your son here? >> say again? >> reporter: how important is it for a family to come out and see this? this is a tradition for many people. >> it's all been going on for many years. like i said we got to live and -- >> reporter: this is cool. you got homework to do right? >> i did it at school. >> reporter: you did at school? so you can stay out later? thank you so much. may the force be with you. just one of the families out here. you've got literally thousands and thousands of families. and check this out, these are the officers going down.
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we've seen them coming by periodically checking the rooftop. the security around here is so tight. and again you can see so many people out here enjoying themselves. chris, back to you. >> okay, gaudy schwartz, almost drowned out by thriller there. that boy pretty sure in a luke skywalker costume. we will continue to monitor the gemts stemming from today's attacks in new york city. but a day after the indictments there is more big news coming from the mueller investigation. stay with us. most american homeowners would be shocked
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as the president tries to distance himsome from george papadopoulos the former campaign aide whose surprise guilty plea was revealed yesterday. the special counsel moving closer to the ininner sanctum of the white house. pleaded guilty to the fbi about his effort to work with russian procies during the campaign.
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he was told in april 2016, crucially two months before the dnc hack became public knowledge, that russia had dirt on hillary clinton in the form of thousands of e-mails. today the president who called papadopoulos a quote, excellent guy after he joined the campaign leader attended a meeting with him at trump hotel in d.c. tweeted, few people knew george -- >> i never heard of papadopoulos. he never showed up at trump tow, never had any interaction with the campaign leaders around me. and the leaders in washington of the campaign didn't know who he was until his name appeared in the press. he was the coffee boy. >> they can try to distance themselves all they want, but they can't distance themselves from the guilty plea. nbc news reports today that sam
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clove s, now the president's nominee for chief scientist of the department of agriculture was just questioned last week by special counsel robert mueller's team. clove s, who is not a scientist and who has been working in the white house while he awaits confirmation, verified today as the campaign's supervisor, which he corresponded regularly about his outreach to those russian representatives. he just met someone he thought was vladimir putin's niece who wanted to setup a meeting between campaign officials and leadership. it was clovis who responded great work. one of the people sort of rengiren ringing the alarm bells of this as loud as anyone else. first, your reaction having sat on the other side of this campaign, having watched all this development, having thought
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about the degree of russian involvement, your reaction to the facts we learned yesterday. >> well, the first thing i thought about was how far we've come, chris. the trump campaign and trump himself initially denied there was any interaction with any russians at any time. that fell by the wayside. ask enthen interactions they had with the ugz russians had nothing to do with the campaign in anyway. that fell by the wayside. now they're saying this is with some low level volunteer. but we see from mueller's investigation it actually reaches furg reaches further up into the trump campaign. the bottom line is what we have suspected for months is now clear, that the russian government offered help to the trump campaign to help him win and hurt hillary clinton, and the trump campaign was eager and willing to accept that help. and that wasn't just george papadopoulos. it was others as well. and it's entirely consistent with the previous stories of don
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junior and the meeting he held at trump tower. whether you use the word collusion or not, what you have here is the russian government serving up assist toons the trump campaign and the trump campaign chasing that assistance. and that is common cause with a hostile power to interfere in an election. got this person who says they're representing the russian government and they've got clinton e-mails, they don't know what to do with it, and then you've got the e-mail from don junior and then the hacks become public. take a listen. >> i don't think anyone knows it's russia that broke into the dnc. she's saying russia, russia, russia maybe it was. it could be russia but it could
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be china. it could be lots of people. it could be sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds. you don't know who broke into dnc. >> is it plausible to you that the president, that then candidate trump did not know? >> it's completely implausible. it was implausible during the campaign when intelligence came out and said it was russia and he denied it. and it defies all cred you'llty that donald trump was doing his best to take advantage of it. he referred to the podesta e-mails, the wikileaks hacks 164 times in the closing weeks of the campaign, cheering on russia's interference in the election while all the while denying it. >> what about the idea these were low level people. i think one of the most charitable interpretations even people not advocates of donald
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trump saying that campaign was just a mess, pulling people off the shelf as foreign policy advisers. how much do you buy that the. >> i'm not saying that george papadopoulos was the campaign chairman, but it sounds like information was at least being passed to the campaign chairman, paul manafort. that's an important fact. more over, everything about the george papadopoulos story is consistent with the don junior story. where a foreign official said we have information to help get your father elected and don junior said great. and this was clearly understood at the senior levels of the trump campaign, and they should have to answer for that. because at the end of the day they know it's wrong what they did, which is why they've been denying it all this time. still to come i'll talk to
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two prosecutors to talk about all the legal developments. stick around.
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the revelation that a trump campaign aide secretly cooperated with the investigation for months, would have legal implications for the president and around him next.
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george papadopoulos was first detained over three months ago but bob mueller's team successfully argued to keep his arrest secret because he was proactive cooperator, in other words because he was helping them.
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i want to bring in two veteran prosecutors, jennifer rogers and maruaty, a former prosecutor who litigated cases of corruption. we've now identified some of the people that were in those e-mails with george papadopoulos. he's unnamed in the complaint in the affidavit, but we think we know who he is, and sam davis and paul manafort. what's the significance for those folk tuesday be implicated there? >> well, it depends on what the rest of the investigation is showing, right. we now know that papadopoulos was cooperating and also had information that didn't make its way into the documents. we know at least to some extent they were informed of these activities papadopoulos was doing with the presser and authorities trying to get information from russia. so that is not good news from
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them. that still remains to be seen about whether there was actually a crime here that could be charged, but collusion just such as it is is looking more likely what happened given what we've learned. >> you pointed out details about paul manafort, which was pretty fascinating. am i right there somewhere in the filings it said he had three passports? >> you're right. you must twitter in between segments because i literally tweeted that just a few minutes ago. yeah, manafort has three passports. he was using multiple phones. he literally reminds me of the drug cartel members i used to investigate when i was a junior prosecutor. it's very much indicative of a novice that you're doing something that's criminal. why else would you need all of these phones, multiple ail ss, three different passports.
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it's very unusual, very suspicious. and it explains why mueller and his team didn't trust manafort and why they sought a very large bail number for him and why he's confined to his home. >> yesterday you got the announcement from paul manafort which was not surprising to people and gates as well and the papadopoulos plea. what do you make of the strategy, jennifer, here from how mueller's proceeding. >> it's very interesting you get the manafort and gates indictment, while not surprising that manafort was charged i thought the substance or heft of it was surprising. >> what do you mean heft of it? >> it's a very strong indictment. it carries jail time. it's just more than i think people were expecting. obviously they pick udup on investigation going on for some time and a lot of evidence collected. otherwise there's no way mueller could have put together that
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evidence in a short amount of time. and then you have that come out and the white house saying this has nothing to do with us, nothing to do collusion. and bloom, comes the news there is indictment and has something to do with that conduct. so i'm not sure whether mueller wasn't planning to release that until a comment from the white house. i suspect he was all along actually because this is his first kind of i'm here, i'm working, we're being productive and you can expect we're going to continue to be productive. >> it's funny jennifer said the heft. because i've not talked to prosecutors in a the way sort of a craftsman might admire a small piece of furniture. we're talking about a lot of years on the table, and it's very narrow what the government has to prove. existence or nonexistence, he's not actually charged with tax evasion, which is much more complicated thing to prosecute
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because you've got usually an intermediary and an accountant. they've tailored this to pack the maximum amount of years for the minimum they have to prove. >> i think that's fair to say. there are certain counts there that i would call a back stop, that are very straightforward. for example, either you disclose you're a foreign agent or not. either you have these foreign accounts or you don't. one thing your viewers may not know as a federal prosecutor you don't need to bat 1,000, you don't even need to bat 300. if you get a conviction at one count, a judge can consider this as part of the characteristics of the defendant at sentencing. so really the defense has to kind of clean the table there. they've got to bat 1,000. and then they've got that huge conspiracy that pumps the numbers up and allows mueller at trial to get a lot of evidence in over a ten-year period.
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so it's very weighty. what struck me, chris, is yesterday we heard all this bluster from the manafort defense team about how this was ridiculous and so on. what it told me is they're angling for a pardon. because no defense attorney in light of a pardon on the table, no defense attorney would have that ultraaggressive dismissive attitude towards this indictment. if i was representing a client facing this indictment and there was no pardon on the table, i would tell that client they're facing a very long prison sentence, it's going to be very hard to win, and we need to look at seriously cooperating with mr. mueller. >> what do you think of that? >> i think it's certainly irresponsible to be that way. the defense lawyer should be saying we've pleaded not guilty -- >> that struck you, too, that kind of like this is crazy, and chg out and saying donald trump has been vindicated, that struck you as well? >> well, he sounded more like a
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trump spokesperson. he should be saying we pleaded not guilty, we look forward to vigor vigorously defending these charges in court. and then you need to think about pleading not guilty -- >> we should note that the pardons under the constitution of the united states is only for federal crimes. there's been some report indicting that the attorney general of the state of new york has worked in tandem. the idea he'd be able to swap those in to deal with a pardon the president might give. thank you both. when at or near jeff sessions testified under oath in june he stated unequivocally he knew of no attempts of the trump
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campaign to collude with russian agents. >> let me state this clearly, colleagues, i have never met with or had any conversation with any russians or any foreign officials concerning any type of interference with any campaign or election in the united states. further i have no knowledge of any such conversations by anyone connected to the trump campaign. >> but sessions was present at a march 2016 meeting with george papadopoulos who we now know pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi about an effort to cooperate with kremlin proxies. at that meeting according to court filings when he introduced himself to the group he'd connections he could help arrange a meeting between then candidate trump and putin. the papadopoulos plea has blind-sided republicans. jennifer, we should note what's described in that plea document is not papadopoulos saying, you
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know, we can collude with the russians on something untoward, so it doesn't in of itself show sessions oo be lying or not recalling, but it put sessions in some real peril, don't you think? >> it sure does. a very broad assertion. people associated with the campaign, making contacts with the russians, that certainly would encompass somebody who's trying to setup a secret meeting between putin and the president. and then when you combine that with the fact that clovis, who was the senior policy person is encouraging him to go down this route, you certainly have people at the higher levels of the campaign who knew what was going on. and remember all of this preceded by quite a bit of time before we even knew there were hack e-mails when papadopoulos is saying, yeah, i knew there were thousands of e-mails they were potentially in possession of. so their effort to distance themselves both from
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papadopoulos and also from all these representations they made that nobody knew anything about russia and trump didn't know anything about russia. he was sitting in that meeting, too, you know, the level of lying here is pretty stunning. and if you don't think clovis and others are going to testify to more of this sort of thing, i think people are deluding themselves. >> to that point we should say that the paper you write for "the washington post," just breaking this. in late june or early july, 2016 last year he attended a dinner at the capitol hill club. another person at the meeting sessions also attended, papadopoulos was seated two seats left. a spokesperson for papadopoulos declined to comment. it's going to be very hard to distance himself from what happened here. >> absolutely. and we're not just talking about lies under oath.
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he was intimally involved in the lead up to fire james comey. certainly what sessions knew was that there was reason for trump to be worried. he himself had witnessed connections with russia. so he puts him in a very tight spot. no wonder he recused himself. i think we're approaching the point where he had some legal jeopardy. so i think this is going to get very interesting. >> here's what i keep thinking of. i keep thinking of putting myself in this position, whether at high levels or medium levels, to the back and forth, to don junior meeting, to papadopoulos, what's going through your head when the news starts coming out, when the dnc hacks start coming out, when there starts to be reporting that russia was behind it, wikileaks, even if you weren't involved you've got to
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be thinking whoa, what were other people in this campaign up to? >> and everyone starts running for cover. this is the beauty of a federal prosecutor, however. he doesn't care about all that dirt. he doesn't care about you'reanium one. he is methodically going person by person. he's now got clovis. he matches people's testimony, that written material. and he slowly puts together a case of who was lying and who knew what and why it was trump felt so compelled to get rid of james comey. >> do you think republicans on capitol hill, paul ryan, mitch mcconnell they've got their fingers in their ears. are there any actions mueller could take that would change that? >> you know, i used to think that there would, but i'm beginning to doubt that. i think these people are so far into the spin and the dulution that they have just latched
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themselves to trump and to this presidency. so frankly i would be surprised if they ever get off the ship. it's going to be an issue in 2018. the voters have a say. that good morning, everyone, it's wednesday, november 1st. we begin with the manhattan attack, west side. eight people killed, 15 injured after officials say a man drive rental home depo truck, mowing people down before crashing no a school bus. that's when officials say he got out of the vehicle and in the shadow of the world trade center screamed allah akbar which means go


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