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"andrea mitchell reports." craig melvin is up next in lower manhattan, at the scene of the terror attack. >> good afternoon to you. craig melvin here, lower manhattan, as andrea just mentioned, near the scene of what transpired here yesterday, that terrible attack that has left eight people dead. a live look here, you can see that life is getting back to normal. there are -- perhaps can you hear them in the background -- children playing on a playground, people walking and up down greenwich street, chambers avenue. a short time ago, president trump making his first on-camera comments about the deadly incident. >> we have to get much tougher. we have to get much smarter and we have to get much less politically correct. >> thank you. >>. [ inaudible ] >> i would certainly consider that. i would certainly consider that.
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send him to gitmo. i would certainly consider that, yes. >> it was a similar tone to the one the president struck this morning on twitter. there he used the attack as a bludgeon against this country's immigration laws as well as new york's chuck schumer, democratic leader in the senate. we'll have more on what senator schumer said was the president's decision to, quote, politicize a tragedy. first, eight people dead, 12 hurt. investigators now trying to piece together the background of the 29-year-old suspect, the uzbek immigrant and new jersey resident rented a truck from home depot, attacking people along a bike path that runs near the world trade center. we have reporters and we have eyewitnesss, we have analysts here in new york and washington, d.c. on the new details we continue to learn about the suspect. let's start with our justice
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correspondent, pete williams, there in washington. what more do we know at this hour, especially as it pertains to how long he'd been planning this attack? >> we don't know exactly how long but authorities in both new york and washington, federal authorities, say it's obvious he's been planning it for some time, for a couple of weeks. exactly when, they don't know. we knew he left a note behind at the truck, praising isis, saying isis would live forever. we know he was looking at isis propaganda online. he began doing it, as one official says, recently. we don't know precisely when that started. from all indications this was a case of self-radicalization. in other words, authorities say he was not directly in touch with any terrorists oversaes. at some point in his life he began to be interested in the isis propaganda message and on his own began turning to it. now, authorities have been talking to friends, they've
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talked to his wife. they all say they had no idea he was planning anything like this. one friend said he began recently beginning to express some interest in the terrorist message. what caused him to do this, whether was despondent about something, upset about something, what that turning point was is something that's of interest. second question, was someone helping him? so far the answer appears to be no. it's a very important question because they want to know if there's someone out there thinking of doing something like this. but they haven't found any indication that someone was. this would not have been an expensive attack to carry out. to rent that pickup truck from home depot, as he did yesterday afternoon, about an hour before the attack, it's $75 for -- or, rather, $19 for the first 75 minutes. and he was mowing people down with that truck within an hour of when he rented, it plus a $50
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deposit. that means this attack cost him $69. it wouldn't have required a lot of money to carry out. that's the second point on further indicating that he acted alone. finally, the president said a moment ago, craig, that he was considering sending saipov to guantanamo bay. it sounds from all indications that we have that that is not something under active consideration. there are discussions going on now between the u.s. attorney in new york and the district attorney over whether he'll be officially held on federal or state charges. no decision has been made on that. charges could be filed as early today which could keep him in civilian court, and the goal here is to try him in federal court ultimately. and there's also a serious question whether the u.s. would have the legal authority under the authorization for use of military force to send an isis-committed american -- a
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person in the u.s. to guantanamo bay. he's not an american citizen. he's here as a lawful permanent resident, better known as a green card holder. someone who had a license to drive trucks. he had been driving trucks for several years. had a number much businesses and was even driving for uber. there's no indication, as far as i know, despite the president's brief mention of that possibility, that they would send him to gitmo, craig. >> what more do we know about his cooperation with authorities right now? >> it's minimal. >> is he in the hospital recovering from this -- okay. so he's not talking? >> he's talking, literally making words, but he's not saying anything about how he planned this. what we're told, when they initially went to the hospital to talk to him, and obviously they'll try again, he basically seemed very unremorseful, sort of smug about what he did.
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>> criminal record? >> nothing serious. a number of traffic violations. he was a truck driver. he appeared to have several moving violations and was also cited in missouri for having improper brakes on one of the trucks he was driving but nothing criminal, nothing violent in his past. >> justice correspondent pete williams with the very latest on the suspect. thank you. nbc's ron mott remains on duty here with me in lower manhattan. ron, as we watch the investigators still standing in front of that home depot, a rented truck pete was talking about, investigators continue to pore over evidence at the scene. he also have information on the timeline, precisely how this played out yesterday. >> it started across the hudson river in new jersey. the suspect drove his van to a home depot in new jersey, rented the home depot truck,
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calculating this at $69 for the truck. let's take a look at the timeline that was just given out to us by deputy nypd commissioner john miller. at 2:06 he rents this vehicle from home depot. at 2:43 a license plate reader on the george washington bridge, which connects new jersey to upper manhattan, saw this vehicle go by. he exited going southbound on the west side highway. then at 3:04 a port authority camera outside the holland tunnel shows his vehicle entering a bike lane at west street and houston and targets bike riders and pedestrians in that bike lane, collided with that school bus and injuries a number of additional people. at 3:08, police reported more than a dozen 911 calls reporting people were down, the school bus had been hit and there was a man waving the gun in the street. two police officers who were alerted by folks in the street. a third also joined them. that's when they say ryan nash of the nypd brought this all to
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a close by firing his service weapon and striking the suspect in his abdomen. what's unusual is we have a suspect who was alive and can talk. so, that may lead us to a lot more clues about finally how long he's been planning this, whether there was a larger plot involved. he apparently at the hospital has expressed some sort of pride in this horror. the one thing i noted this morning, it's not lost on people who lived in the city and 9/11, we're in the shadows of the new tower. we all remember, of course, how horrific the scene was down here in lower manhattan 16 years ago and here we go again. the nice thing is, as we started this hour, to hear the sound of children playing on the playground. new yorkers have done what officials said -- >> they're getting after it, too. they're having a high time on that playground and seeing so much new yorkers doing what new yorkers do. the most resilient in the world, bee bopping along here in lower
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manhattan. thank you for that. christiane wagner, who was walking in the downtown area of tribeca. he was walking just feet from where we stand right now. he is with me, so is tahik, local college student, eyewitness to the tragedy, also here when it happened. tahid, i want to start with you because you shot some video of this guy. we deliberately are not using his name every three minutes here, but you shot some video of this guy. i think we have the video. we could show that now. there's the video of the guy you shot. tell us what you saw when you were shooting that video. >> he already killed eight people i didn't know what happened before. at first i thought he was just a random guy or doing for halloween or something. then when i got in front of the
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bridge, some. students told me he's a shooter and the cops are after him. i looked up again and he was just running around the road. that time i shot the video, first video. he was just running. there was another guy who was just trying to catch him. but he was with the two guns just running around. when i finished my first video, then i heard like five, six gunshots. i was scared. where is the shooting coming from. that time i got really scared. like something big is happening over here. i didn't realize that before. then after that, i looked up again and i saw the guy daisht guy down on the ground and three, four cops got him over there. >> it's tough to tell from this particular vantage point how close you were to the guy. were you close enough to hear him saying anything or streaming
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anything? >> when i was in the intersection, he was like 10 to 15 meters away from me. he was in the middle of the road and i was on the corner. he was just running. i thought he was just a halloween or something. those are -- i thought those are fake guns because the one is a big gun. it seemed fake to me. i didn't pay attention to him. then i took the stairs and i went -- so, he was like close to me. he looked scared. i didn't see him, anything shouting or say anything. didn't see anything like that. he looked scared and nervous, like why should he go like this. he was looking around and just running. he was just running. >> christiane is here with me. as you watch this video of the
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suspect yesterday, does this jibe at all with what you saw? >> i didn't see any of this part because i had run away at that point around the corner. so i turned my back to him, the minute he started raising his arm, getting ready to shoot. i didn't realize at the time, even though the guns looked kind of odd, i didn't realize at the time that they were not real guns. they appeared to me as real guns. so, as he was raising the guns, i just turned around and yelled at the kid, you know, gun, get out of here. and they started -- the kids really started yelling and screaming. they started running away. i couldn't hear anything, what the gunman was saying or if he said anything. at that point it's like let's get out of here and get the kids around the corner and we'll figure it out from there. as i was walking away, around the corner, i could hear
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gunshots. i was worried the gunman actually had shot some -- also, i knew since there were single shots and his guns looked as if they were repeater type guns -- >> you could tell? >> well, i looked at them and they were bulky and big and i thought, that looks like a gun that could fire several bullets. fortunately, it wasn't the case. when i heard the single shot, i figured it was the police officers that got shot. >> what's it like for you today being back here a few people from where it all went down yesterday? >> well, it's -- for me i'm going to avoid that corner for a while. it's just a bad -- lingering. a lot of people lost their lives. it's terrible. it's just terrible. you know, you just can't go there. >> and you are from? >> i've lived in cal for 40 years. i've only been here six weeks. i'm originally from amsterdam.
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>> new to new york. >> well, i lived here in the '60s. quite a while ago. >> it's changed a bit. >> it's changed a bit. i've come out here a lot to work so i've been here on a regular basis. >> thank you. thank you for coming by. >> certainly. president trump just last hour called on congress to get rid of the diversity visa after earlier reason, the issue of extreme vetting of immigrants coming to this issue. would that have stopped yesterday's attack? and how do lone wolves like the attacker, how do they become radicalized? i'll talk to a former extremist turned counterterrorism operative next. i've been thinking. think of all the things that think these days. businesses are thinking. factories are thinking. even your toaster is thinking. honey, clive owen's in our kitchen. i'm leaving. oh never mind, he's leaving. but what if a business could turn all that thinking... thinking... endless thinking into doing?
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in the hour since we learned about the suspect in yesterday's attack, uzbek national, president trump weighed in on twitter, tweeting, i just ordered homeland security to step up our extreme vetting program. being politically correct is fine but not for this. then he took aim at senate minority leader chuck schumer for a statement the suspect used to enter the united states. to the president's twitter attack, the senator then tweeting, i guess it's not too soon to politicize a tragedy.
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nbc chief white house correspondent, hallie jackson, joins me now. hallie, walk us through this back and forth of the president and the democratic minority leader. >> and even more recently, craig, what has happened with the president inside that cabinet meeting. sure, you heard the president within the last hour or so escalate this essentially attack on the diversity visa lottery program. that seems to be where the focus is now getting centered here at the white house. chuck schumer in the house supported it but it was signed by a republican president, george h.w. bush. it lets in 50,000 green cards a year randomly selected from countries that didn't have a lot of immigration coming into this country in the first place. there are certain requirements including high school education, a couple years work experience, no criminal back ground. now, it is confirmed that is how the suspect in this terror attack got into the u.s.
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i spoke with one administration official who said, yes, this is now going to be a concerted effort to try to tear down this diversity visa lottery program. that was inherent in what president trump has been trying to do in his immigration system in the first place. you look at the president's immigration priorities. it came out last month. a merit-based immigration system that would essentially dismantle this visa lottery program is in there. this is not an action. let's be clear here. at the president in the cabinet meeting says he's now starting the process of terminating this program, it's a law. he can't do that. he has to work with congress. it's my understanding he will be working with congressional republicans, including, for example, senator tom cotton, senator david perdue, to push this merit-based immigration system to passage. it's something the president is putting on congress's plate in addition to everything else going on this fall, most notably tax reform. when you look at where this fight is headed, that's clearly the direction of it.
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let me notice something else the president is talking about, too. he was asked by one of the reporters in the room, from one of our fellow networks here, if he would consider sending the suspect to gone tan notice bay, to gitmo. president trump said, yes, send him to gitmo. he seemed to warm to that idea. our pete williams points out there doesn't seem to be legal authority to do that right now. then the president mentioned the families of the terror suspect, questioning where they came from, sort of what involvement they might have in the context of chain migration here, which is something else he's railing against. bottom line, step back and pull back for a second here, craig. in the past, i'm thinking to what happened last month after the las vegas mass shooting, the white house said it was too early to talk about policy, essentially, because it was a time for mourning. today the president is talking about policy and specifically immigration policy and what he wants to see, issuing what he calls directives, what you might call encouragement to
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republicans to act on this. i expect this will be the topic of conversation heading into the press briefing in just about an hour here at the white house. the press secretary sarah huckabee sanders, and we'll follow it all from here in washington, craig. >> hallie jackson, with a comprehensive report there. hallie, thank you so much. we'll check in with you in a bit. malcolm nance, former u.s. intelligence officer and msnbc terrorism analyst is back with me here at the scene and sew is modine sheikh, former counterterrorism operative for canadian intelligence. malcolm, let me start with you, what we just heard from hallie about this particular program the president has decided to focus on. again, it should be noted. its not even clear whether ending that program would have prevented what we saw yesterday. is that where our focus should be right now? >> no. our focus shouldn't object the visa program. that started in 1986 under ronald reagan. it's been going almost nonstop.
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the 9/11 hijackers who were on a student program, they would have gotten in with the merit-based program. they were from rich saudi families for the most part. where we should be focusing our focus is on improving national intelligence, improving domestic law enforcement, improving counterideology to stop the spread of this consult-like fundamental ideology. no one has put any emphasis on that type of program. by further vilifying an entire religion of 1.5 billion people, all you're going to do is create more terrorists. >> going back here to what malcolm was just talking about, what we heard from pete as we continue to look at these investigators surrounding that car that was used in this deadly rampage, radicalization, here is another guy who appears to have been, based on limb reports, he was self-radicalized. how does one become
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self-radicalized? first of all. secondly, what more can we do to stop this self-radicalization? >> well, great comments that i'm hearing. i mean, definitely this daisht anti-muslim talk is going to make things worse. you're putting fuel on the fire. you're literally and actually doing what the terrorists want. in fact, they wrote about this in black and white. they said, we're going to do these attacks. we're going to watch the divisions in society. we're going to have people hate on islam and muslims. this will push those people who are already vulnerable into our waiting arms. to your question, very good point about counterradicalization programs. self-radicalization, what we're trying to say is these are people who radicalize not in transitional groups like before. they go online, get most of their ideology. this is something they've already decided to engage in. a person doesn't go online and read something and decide, oh, i'm going to be -- oh, i believe
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this. i'm going to act on this. they already have this going on in this them before they turn to the internet or somebody like in a real human network. we need to look into why this person even feels they need to look that way. one of the things is hatred. hatred alienation and marginalization. when you tell a kid he's dumb, he's stupid, he's going to amount to nothing, what do you think is going to happen with that kid? he's going to take that, intentionalize that and externalize it by acting it out onto other people. it does require a number of steps to be taken complimentary but simultaneously. not just domestic law enforcement peeshgs not just the intelligence piece, especially from these communities. if you kip flipping off the muslim community and demanding they give you the intelligence, the reality just doesn't work like that. >> malcolm, over the past year we have seen vehicular terrorist
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attacks in nice, in berlin, in london, stockholm, barcelona. now here yesterday. was it just a matter of time before we saw something like that here in the united states? >> yes, it was a matter of time. in fact, there was an incident that took place, i think, in ohio a couple of years ago which could have been the first type of attack using a vehicle as weapon system. but, you know, terrorists have devolved. as our security gets better, our intelligence gets stronger. as we start to push down on them, they become more adaptive. what they've done is adapted a palestinian technique we saw in israel used over 50 times to europe. now it's come to the united states. it only involves a driver's license. technically it doesn't even need that. so, we're going to see these attacks go to a lower grade attack, which impacts everyone because everyone has to walk across the street at some point.
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and if we provide more security with that, with bullards and other types of barriers, they'll start attacking in lower grade attacks. in the u.s. we just saw a mass murder of 50 people with a firearm and we still don't know what the motivation of that attack was. but it impacted 600 people who actually shot -- >> but it does seem as if, as a society, we have decided that mass shootings like that, there's nothing we can do about those. but when something like this happens, everyone has an idea, whether it's ending some sort of government visa program or more money to fund the counter terrorism efforts online. why is there such a difference when it comes to how we treat mass casualty events? >> it depends on who's doing the mass casualty event. i'll tell you straight, we do have a measure of bigotry that goes along with that. we see terrorists attacks from
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south asia, central asia, the middle east, as far more interesting than the ones generated here. canada had an incident where they had a convert to -- from christianity carry out an attack in parliament. that could happen here as well. >> malcolm nance, stick around. we'd like to spend some more time with you. thank you so much for that. a big thanks as well to our friend there in canada, mubin sheikh. the quick-thinking new york city police officer who stopped the gunman from taking more lives. what the mayor had to say about the cop that many are hailing a hero today. also, what more are we hearing from neighbors about the 29-year-old suspect? we'll go live to his home in new jersey and hear from a fellow worshipper.
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every here had been encouraged to get back to life as usual and the folks here at
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ps34 taking it very seriously. take a look here. this has been the scene. you can sort of see through the fence there. kids playing and screaming for the last few hours here. there's been recess at the school. lots of folks also enjoying nearby washington market park as well. here's what we know this hour about yesterday's terror attack along new york's lower west side. eight people dead, six died at the scene along the bike path, 12 others were hurt. three of them had been released from the hospital. the nine remaining victims have suffered serious bodily injuries but we're told that they are expected to survive. meanwhile, new york police officials said this morning that the suspect had planned the attack over a number of weeks and carried it out in the name of isis. he had never been the subject of nypd or federal investigation. mowed down cyclist and mow down
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cycles was rented hours before. a 28-year-old cop, a hero today, for taking quick action, for wounding the suspect. he shot him in the abdomen. new york's mayor a short time ago praising that officer for his actions. >> and i want to commend officer ryan nash. i spoke to him earlier today. a good, young man five years on the force. he was very humble about what he did, but what he did was extraordinary and gave people such faith and such appreciation in our police force. >> nbc's anne thompson is outside new york's bellevue hospital where the injured are being treated. nbc's ron allen is in paterson, new jersey, where the suspect had most recently been living, we understand. ron, let me start with you. what are his neighbors saying about this guy? >> well, craig, the investigators wrap up their work here in the neighborhood now so
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we can move in front of the suspect's house, saipov's house. it's number nine, the door that's closed. can you see this is a small sort of nondescript apartment buildings. we believe it's a two-bedroom apartment on the second floor. can you see down here some toys outside. he lived here with his wife and three young children. numbers say they saw him from time to time taking his kids to school or his kids out here playing. most people don't really say they knew him or noticed him. he's only been here for a matter of months, one neighbor said perhaps up to a year. but he apparently kept a low profile. the other thing about this neighborhood you should know, there's a mosque over there, right behind the apartment building, which is the center of this community. it's a very muslim community. in fact, paterson, new jersey, is one of the largest muslim communities in the united states, neighbors are telling us. nobody seems to have seen him at that mosque. and that's, of course, important consideration because investigators are trying to understand where he came up with
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these ideas, this radicalization that led him to go on this rampage. members of the mosque are pushing back at the suggestion that he might have been part of their community or they might have anything to do with this. here's what one person we spoke with had to say. >> every type of nationality. so, you come here to look for people to fit in, you know, similar to you. nobody's heard of any type of terrorist activities occurring in paterson, new jersey, as far as i'm concerned. it's not what the community's about. >> there's some people speculating that the suspect may have come to this town because it's so diverse, because it's a place he could blend in. we met people with roots back to egypts, lebanon, palestinian. he, of course, is from uzbekistan. it's a place where he might not have been noticed. some people speculate that may be why he chose to come here. the investigation here has
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wrapped up. some neighbors told us that they seem to be focusing on the basement area that's underneath the apartments. earlier we saw them pulling out a number of boxes. not sure what they had them-n them, but that work is done. now the work continues of trying to piece together his life, his motivation to understand why he committed this act. neighbors we talked to are just stunned, some are scared. it's stunning to know something like this could happen in your neighborhood because authorities say it appears he had been planning this for quite some time. well below the radar of anything anybody saw here overtly. people still trying to understand, get their heads around what is happening here in paterson, new jersey. >> ron allen for us there. thank you. anne, what do we know about those who were injured? >> reporter: well, craig, we know that 12 people were injured in the attack yesterday. three of them have been released from the hospital.
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nine premain hospitalized today. and they have a variety of injuries, anywhere from chest and neck and head trauma to someone who had to have a bilateral amputation. eight people died in the attack. most of them were foreign tourists. there was a young woman from belgium, 31-year-old, a mother of both a toddler and an infant. she was killed in the attack. she apparently was here with her mom and too sisters. there was another belgian family as well that was injured in that attack. three members from that family remain hospitalized. as can you see on the screen, we also had a number of people from argentina. there was a whole group of men who came to america to celebrate the 30th anniversary of their high school graduation. five of those people died yesterday. a sixth man is in the hospital. behind me here at bellevue there are four people who are being treated, including the suspect who underwent surgery last night. we understand today he's alert,
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he is awake and he is in stable condition. craig? >> anne thompson for us at bellevue hospital, thank you. there's also a big story happening right now down in washington, d.c. we'll get to that in a moment. some other headlines. let's start with the russian investigation. in newly unsealed documents last night, robert mueller revealed a lot more about the case against paul manafort and rick gates. telling the court, quote, defendants pose a risk of flight based on the serious nature of the charges, their history of deceptive and misleading conduct, the potentially significant sentences the defendants faced, the strong evident of guilt, their significant financial resources and their foreign connections. to capitol hill now, a house committee hearing is about to start for lawyers for tech giants, facebook, twitter, google, about their role, the
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role those sites played in russia's campaign to influence the 2016 election. they appeared before the senate intel committee. this morning nbc's jo ling kent has been following it from capitol hill. jo, what's happening on the hill? >> reporter: we just got out. senate intel committee where they heard from facebook, google and twitter and we're moving to the house side. can you see behind me there's a pretty serious interest in what's going on here. the senators overall quizzing facebook, google, twitter. their lawyers and relatively not pleased with the answers they have. we do have new information for you. 150 million americans, according to facebook, have now been exposed to russian-backed content in the last two years leading up to the election. we can also show you new data from twitter as well. about 37,000 tweets were generated by those bots we've been telling you about. they were seen -- they were tweeting content 1.2 million times. then they turned around and
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retweeted and shared over and over, exposed to 288 million views. then you have the new data coming out of google as well and what is going on at youtube, which google owns. there were 18 youtube channels, very likely linked to russia and 1100 different videos in the lead up to the election that were posted on the youtube platform. and we also want to show you some ads that have been coming out of this facebook, google, twitter intel committee. we can show you from senator byrd's office. you can see some images backed by russians, posted by russians, encouraging and sowing discord american american voters. now we want to show you what happened with senator feinstein. take a listen.
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>> there you have it. you can see the senators in the intel committee were grilling facebook, twitter and google and they're very much on the defense here on capitol hill. behind me is the room where they're going to be testifying before the house intel committee beginning at 2:00 today. >> jo, thank you. we had some issues there with the sound bite. while try to get that to you a little later. meanwhile, how will lawmakers reacting to president trump's calls to do away with the diversity visa program and push for extreme vetting in the wake of the truck attack here in tribeca? virginia congressman scott taylor, a former navy s.e.a.l. s going to join me on the other side of this break to talk about that. law enforcement also says the terror suspect not on their radar. not on any watch list. so, is there any way to combat a lone wolf attacker like this? she's nationally recognized
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it's not good. it hasn't been good. we've been against it. >> president trump there last hour doing a cabinet meeting, talking about yesterday's deadly truck attack here, doubling down on his criticism of the diversity visa lottery program. for more on this, i want to bring in republican congressman scott taylor of virginia. he's also a former u.s. navy s.e.a.l. congressman taylor, always good to have you. >> good to be with you. >> president trump there saying he wants to work with congress to do away with the diversity visa lottery program. first of all, how likely is that? >> it's hard to defend it in light of the reality we find ourselves in today. get rid of the rhetoric. i'm not interested in inflammatory rhetoric but it's hard to defend the diversity lottery. we need to understand who's coming in here. we need to make sure we're not just using classified sources, law enforcement sources but
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social media as well to figure out who's coming into the country. i think that's a reasonable thing americans want to see. >> your fellow republican congressman peter king also talked about this. he talked about it this morning. this was before the president's comments on the visa program. here's what congressman king had to say. >> as far as the diversity visas, that's also known as the lottery system. to be honest with you, i've known a number of people in new york who have come in under the lottery system and madeout outstanding contributions, become citizens. >> so, here's a guy, again, a suspect with no criminal record. he likely would have passed a background check. it doesn't sound like this is a program necessarily that would have saved lives yesterday. so, how do you justify -- how do you justify getting rid of it? >> well, i take a little exception to that because, yeah, he came in under that program. it essentially, perhaps, could have saved lives.
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i don't disagree with my colleague mr. king as well, too, that there are folks here who have come under that program, certainly plenty of immigrants who have come here and been productive citizens and done an amazing job, raising the living standard of their families and generations to come and huge contribution to this nation. i'm interested in that. i think it's important that we have -- that we do have diversity, if you will, and folks that come into this country and want to do great things for us. at the same time, in light of the reality and the world we find ourselves in, i don't think it's not -- i i think it's reasonable to make sure that we do properly vet folks, that we are looking at every single source possible, classified, unclass, that there's communication, not simply among federal law enforcement or big law enforcement agencies like new york but alsole small local touns, also cities as well, too, because that's the reality that we find ourselves in today. >> this suspect is from uzbekistan, not part of the president's travel ban proposal, which you've been supportive of. should uzbekistan be added to
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the list? >> you know, i don't think there should be an overreaction to let's not put a ban on all countries. one of the reasons i suspected the president's ban in certain countries is because identify been to those countries, because i understand that they don't have the capacity to be able to vet to be able to vet some of these folks and some of those countries if they don't have government -- some don't have governments that are functioning let alone have the ability to make sure we understand who would be coming here or help us understand that. i'm not for -- like i said i'm not for inflammatory rhetoric or anti-immigrant or any of that stuff. >> this is the fourth person from uzbekistan within the past year who's been responsible for a mass terror attack outside that country. >> sorry, can you say again, i lost my ear piece? >> this is the fourth person from uzbekistan within the past year that's been responsible for a terror attack. how can you say there isn't some sort of problem in that particular country but there's a problem in the others on list?
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>> there is a growing problem in southeast asia and uzbekistan, yeah, there is a problem there. however, that government -- like i just told you when i supported some of the bans, for example, in yemen, i spent years in and out of yemen. i understand the lack of capacity of that government. i don't believe uzbekistan's government is where yemen is right now. do i think it deserves more scrutiny? sure but i'm not prepared to say i'm supporting a travel ban there. >> when it came to the shooting in las vegas, just 30 days before what transpired here, president trump said memably it was far too soon to plit size that to start talking about policy. but here within hours after these eight people were mowed down, the president starts talking about ending a visa program. what's the difference between las vegas and tribeca. >> i'll continue to have the
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position that i had after the vegas shooting, that i don't think we should be having this as a political football why folks are still fighting for their lives. i don't think it's helpful. >> so it sounds like you're taking issue with the president's tweets this morning. >> please don't put words in my mouth. what i said is i don't believe chuck schumer and the president going back and forth is helpful at all. i'm going to say my position that i don't think we should be using this as a political football right now. >> thank you, congressman, i wasn't putting words in your mouth but i appreciate your attempt to clarify. >> thanks for having me. >> we have breaking news to report here on president trump and his relationship with his son-in-law, believe it or not. a new report from vanity fair says the mueller investigation created a rift between the president and jared kushner. an msnbc contributor joins me
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now on the phone. gabe, you're reporting that the president brams kushner for his current predicament, is that correct? >> yeah, this is a story really that tried to look at how the white house is figuring out a strategy moving forward. and trump has been venting to allies inside and outside the white house and one of the people that has become a target of his frustration had been his son-in-law because the president believes that some of the decisions that jared kushner was a part of the decision to fire jim comey, decision to fire the national former national security adviser mike flynn laid the groundwork for the appointment of the special prosecutor which is now the mess that the white house finds itself in. donald trump is is -- understandable been venting about the pickle that he's in and unfortunately one of the people who's now taking the brunt of that criticism is his son-in-law, jared kushner.
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>> is it right that there was a phone call to steve bannon in which the president talked a little bit more about this? what happened during that call? >> this was a phone call yesterday, trump and bannon had been talking in the wake of the indictment of paul manafort and rick gates about strategy and steve bannon had been advocating that the white house really needs to take this legal mess a lot more seriously. he wants the president to stop tweeting and told me he wants the president to bring in a new lawyer to take a much more aggressive approach with the prosecutor and assert executive privilege so west wing officials do not have to testify and do not have to turn over documents. and in this phone call, one of the people that trump expressed frustration about was his son-in-law, jared kushner. and really, it is not totally unprecedented. the president as we know likes to call friends and allies
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outside the white house and have free wheeling discussions about jokingly who should be fired and who's in, who's out. the difficult thing for the president is that now one of the people in his crosshairs happens to be married to his daughter. >> how often do the president and steve bannon talk on the phone? do we know? >> based on my reporting, it seems like they are talking regularly. i know of at least two phone calls that took place in the last several days. so it seems like even though steve bannon was left the white house and cast out of trump's inner circle, he is still exerting a lot of outside influence on the president. i think that speaks in part to the fact that donald trump knows that as his poll numbers sink, in the low 30s according to the latest gallup poll, the ban on breitbart base is the one reliable support he can count on. people close to the president tell me he's been very weary and
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worried about losing his grip on the breitbart base and we saw this in the wake of the alabama republican primary, trump backed the establishment candidate h e luther strange and lost to roy moore. since then he's been making concerted steps to cultivate and make sure he's retained support of the base. >> gabe sherman on his new "vanity fair" article detailing the strained relationship between the president and his senior adviser, jared kushner. sarah huckabee sanders set to take the podium shortly, will be fielding questions from repor r reporters and likely to be asked a great deal what went down in tribeca shortly 3:00 yesterday. we'll bring it to you live. y, innovation in the finger lakes is helping build the new new york. once home to the world's image center,
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that is going to wrap up this special hour of msnbc live. i'm krygcraig melvin. >> it is 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. in new york city. sayfullo saipov is boasting about killing eight people and injures others. the 29-year-old uzbekistan national drove his piup


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