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gamal, the hole grown isis supporter. and khaled al fawaz, one of al qaeda's embassy bombing defenders. it is an amazing record of success. of the eight innocent people, saipov allegedly killed yesterday, two were americans. the rest were foreigners visiting new york city. it has been reported that five of the victims were childhood friends celebrating a high school reunion. those he arch arn men came here like the millions of other visitors to see the sights and spend some time in the greatest city on earth. for the same reasons that millions visit this city and find it so special, the alleged terrorists like second baseman view the city as a prime target for the hate-filled crimes. the thing is for the alleged
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terrorists, like saipov, they will find in new york city something else. justice. they will find and have found that law enforcement and everyday people in the city are not afraid of their evil. they see through their false hateful rhetoric, and are committed to putting, bringing them to justice. that is what we intend to do with sayfullo saipov. i would like to bring to the stand now bill sweeney, assistant director in charge of the fbi. >> thank you. >> good evening. for the past 24 hours, hundreds of personnel from the joint terrorism task force both on this side of the river and in new jersey have been working around the clock, developing and tracking leads and executing searches as we dig deep entire the life and motivations of saipov. the charges announced this evening, while significant, should be taken as no indication that our work here is over. we will continue to employ all
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investigative techniques necessary to understand his social network and unearth his motivations. rest assured, we will not stop until every last lead has been covered. i do have one recent update i would like to make you aware of. earlier as we came in this evening, we were seeking information about an individual many of you in this room received that alert. we are no longer seeking that individual. we believed he had information related to yesterday he but we are not looking for that individual any longer. i would encourage anybody who believes they knew mr. saipov or has information about yesterday to proactively contact law enforcement. a reminder to the public, the tip line is 1-800-call fbi with information that may help us in any way. we also have a link set up where you can upload any photos, any videos you may think are relevant. that link is
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tribeca. the ncp has the tip line set up. 1-800-577-tips. following the chelsea attacks last year, i highlighted the importance of an engaged public. today is no different. i cannot overstate the critical role the public plays in combatting these threats. please remain engaged. be aware and immediately report suspicious activity to the authorities. in closing i would like to thank the partners, especially the hundreds of men and women working on the jttf represented by at least 50 agencies on this side of the river alone. your work has been exceptional. i would like the thank the u.s. attorney's office. the fire commissioner, and the state police, the work you've done has been absolutely extraordinary. thank you.
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>> good evening. today's announcement of an indictment of sayfullo saipov on federal charges sends the strongest message to those who seek to commit acts of terror in our country. the swift and decisive charges demonstrate the resolve of our federal law enforcement whose work so closely, who worked so closely to both prevent terror as well as bring those who commit acts of terror to justice. the nypd wishes to thank our close law enforcement partners in the fbi, especially fbi assistant director bill sweeney. and our federal prosecutors in the southern district led by acting assistant u.s. attorney, united states attorney for the
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southern district, june kemp. >> we'll take a few questions. >> we've been listening to a briefing there. the big news, federal charges against the terror suspect, now defendant, charged with material support for terrorism in that horrific new york attack that killed eight yesterday. that is the news that comes out of this updated briefing and we will continue to follow it in our newsroom and bring further updates as warranted. now to another breaking story tonight. duelling accounts this week. a brand new interview with "the new york times." the president speaking out and projecting a call, cool and collected demeanor. that is in some contradiction to other reporting from "vanity fair" suggesting the quote, it
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enraged donald trump in a white house facing chaos. here's the president's side of the story. he tells "the new york times," he's not angry at anybody, and he's quote, not under investigation. other accounts differ, including directly from the white house. donald trump being under investigation, according to chief of staff john kelly who said this two days ago. >> it is very distracting to the president, as it would be to any citizen, to be investigated for something, while at the same time, trying to carry the weight of what being president of the united states means. . >> and the claims of a kind of claim are also conflicting with there "vanity fair" report. saying he is enraged and indignant. his top staff on edge that the work isn't done is that the report is from gabe sherman. he writes for "vanity fair" and
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is an nbc analyst. he says six people in trump's orbit describe the president as apoplectic and he blames jared kushner for firing jim comey. and steve bannon who is out of the white house but in this report still talking on trump. there's a report that trump's hold on power is, quote, slipping. now let's be clear. nbc news has also reported that bannon has a lot of conflict here and his own agenda. in the "vanity fair" report, it says something else that could be significant. it has an account of a potential change to the president's criminal defense team. that could be a huge development if the lawyers are telling trump what he can do impacts how aggressive he is with bob mueller. this is a high stakes debate happening in real-time. white house staff like hope hicks are prepping for these interviews with mueller's team right now. so the report says one aggressive idea comes from roger stone who allegedly is telling trump, while you can't fire
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mueller, you could cook up a new clinton probe in order to put bob mueller under criminal investigation. the panic also allegedly has trump advisers dodgingfully talk. reporting that dina powell and gary cohn leaving the room whenever mueller's name comes up. i'm joined by a former federal prosecutor and a candidate for attorney general. and "huffington post" director. >> i want to focus on this. first on the law, what would happen if donald trump did change the legal team and change his approach? >> this could be interesting. so far his lawyer, ty cobb, has taken traditional approach publicly telling everyone that
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he's interested in openness. that the white house is cooperating. he's basically saying the white house is obligated to comply with requests and he is complying with them. turning over e-mails, making witnesses available for interviews and so forth. if we were to have, say, a steve bannon universe defense team where the white house in essence went to war with bob mueller, that could lead to some very interesting results. as we've seen the last couple days, mueller is playing for keeps. indicting without first speaking with defense counsel and it could become a very fierce, pitched battle if the defense strategy inside the white house changes. >> and it has been to cordon off certain individuals. also, take a listen to him speaking with chris hayes.
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>> probably a few. >> were you in e-mail chains about russia. >> it play come up from time to time. again, there is nothing major. >> speak to how that plays in and the president's claim that is in cross purposes with the claim that he is not under investigation. >> wow! i don't know what to tell mr. page on than he should seek the advice of counsel. everything that he tells chris hayes that can be used against him. i know when rob blagojevich was under investigation, the u.s. attorney's office, and i was there at the time and i'm not telling you any secrets. mr. blagojevich would comment about this publicly. that he would get videotapes or recordings from the u.s. attorney's office that were marked of exhibits of his interviews on television. and realistically, what mr. page is doing is digging himself into a hole while answering questions while he is the subject of an
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investigation. as for the president of the united states, there's no serious question that he is certainly a subject of mr. mueller's investigation. and there is no question at all. if you look back, before i came on the show today. i was looking at the document requests that were made to the white house as reported by "the new york times" and washington boast a month ago in september. if you look at the document requests, they're about the meeting the president he had with russians, with the russian ambassador and others the day after he fired comey. where he talked about relieving pressure. there's a document request regarding discussions regarding the firing of flynn. so there's clearly, there is a number of other document requests that related specifically to the firing of james comey. the only person who fired james comey and michael flynn was the president of the united states. that's not something you can say some intern made that decision. so at least he in the obstruction piece, i don't see how anyone could say that.
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>> you're drawing a link on the firing. that was also the last time we heard donald trump proclaim apparently wrongly that he was not under investigation. he weirdly, i would say, bizarrely, put in it his letter firing jim comey. while he appreciate, he said, you telling me three times i'm not under investigation and on and on into the firing. so throws twoe points of law. now i want to go to washington. except i have washington right here in new york with me. >> we wanted to bring washington to you. >> here's the thing. we just talked about the law. then there's the hype. there is a famous washington saying, don't believe the i'm. but it is also a public enemy song. even if folks watching at home think, donald trump just came on. he may have a tell when he says, why are you telling us you're calm. when you were walking into the set, you mentioned there's more to this when you see the
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sniping. >> so first off, there are people in the white house at a very senior level who have actual jobs to do, who are determined to keep doing them. as gabe reported in the piece, as we know elsewhere. i talked to one of them about an hour ago. them, look, we've got important matters coming up. we're staying in our lanes. and don't forget, the president is about to go on this long massive and very important trip to asia. those people, the mattis types, the mcmaster times, they're staying in their lane. and they are conducting the world's and america's business. now, as for donald trump, the key here, i think, is that bob mueller has shown that he understands that trying to make the case on donald trump about solely obstruction of justice is a political case subject to
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interpretation. but collusion is collusion if the facts are there. the import of the george papadopoulos film, the import of the people that mueller is looking for now is that he believes, and he knows pits important if he's going to be sxrebl convincing. that he has to make the collusion case. not just the obstruction case. and he thinks the collusion case is there. and that is the political bombshell here. because i think even the bannons and the stones of the world thought donald trump could fight his way through an obstruction case. because it's political to some extent. one man's obstruction is another defense of a valid move. but if there's collusion, if mueller can go after it and prove it, that's causing the hysteria in the bannon stone base win. and frankly, the institutional wing doesn't know what to do about it.
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they don't know what to do. they have ty cobb in there. they're running out these people to be interviewed. if mueller real has his hands on the collusion case, the only way to save themselves is to attempt to blow it all up. >> you're not saying they're ethically right. >> no. >> you're saying strategically -- howard is saying they strategically understand if there's an existential threat, you don't want to cooperate with someone who may be trying to legally slit the throat of your organization and that is a view that this is too cooperative. so speak to that that he so intelligently laid out. if there is a collusion case and papadopoulos is cooperating, you have a report in bloomberg that he says a secret meeting was approved by the campaign.
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>> so let me start with howard's first point and i think it is a profound one. i think the words were, blow the whole thing up. as an american, somebody involved in law enforcement, what we're referring to is the american criminal justice system. the sense of rule of law that we have. and the idea that the president of the united states would try to defund mueller, would try to create separate investigations, to try to investigate others without any reason, or any warrant for that whatsoever. it is very disturbing. the use of law enforcement is a tool to investigate enemies and to try to derail law enforcement that is investigating your friends. it is deeply disturbing to me as an american. as to this other piece, but howard may be right that that may be the best strategy if he has the goods on you. certainly defendants that i
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investigated tried to do everything they could. they just didn't have the power of the presidency. >> we're using the word strategy. and it is a type of strategy but at a certain point, if what you're advocating for is a witness tampering, obstruction, it would be dangerously euphemistically to call that only strategy. >> absolutely. and at some point, these people who have been in government. even those who are recently out of government. i think the greater obligation, frankly, to the people of the united states. and their idea is to protect criminal conduct via strategy, to take on bob mueller and turn him into the target of an investigation. in an effort to take some of the pressure off the president. then they're doing a terrible injustice to the oath that's they swore and the people they claim they want to serve. at the end of the day this goes back to what he said. it is a rule of law issue.
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we're talking about whether the president is above the law. whether he can create conditions where he can protect his friends by virtue of the office he holds. and the answer has to be a resounding no. the criminal justice process needs to go forward for him like it would for anyone else. >> it is a fitting point for us to pause. this is not so much a political issue as an american issue. a lot more we'll discuss about it. i have a former trump adviser on the show tonight. thank you so much. coming up, what is candidate trump saying in public versus what his campaign was doing in secret. i have a special time line on "the beat" and how do trump officials feel? i have a key trump adviser live on the beat. i have a few questions. stay tuned. you're watching "the beat." and . we like cage free,
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this week started off with a bang and we are still days later, pouring through what we've learned. not only from the guilty plea and those indictments but other documentation that has come to light. right now i have a special breakdown of what we're learning. the mueller indictment revealed that a trump adviser, george papadopoulos was doing all sorts of things involving russians. on march 6, we know papadopoulos made arrangements to meet the foreign adviser. he was joining an unusual campaign with an unusual posture for a republican within a week, trump told a rally this. >> putin said good things about me. he said he is the leader and there's no question about it. he's a genius. so them to the media, you saw it in the debate. they said you admire putin.
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emi don't admire him. i am he was a strong leader which he is. he might be bad. he might be good but he's a strong leader. >> within two days, papadopoulos was then abroad meeting with a man claiming putin connections and one week later, trump announces him as a campaign adviser. >> we heard you might be announcing your foreign policy advisory team soon. >> if you want i can give you some of the names. george papadopoulos. he's an oil and energy consultant. excellent guy. >> then trump said this the same day. >> putin says very nice things about me. i think that's very nice. it has no effect on me other than i think it is very nice. >> no effect but march 24, papadopoulos does that meeting in london and then he meets with the national security team and there you have it. telling the new york times, papadopoulos talked about a possible meeting with putin. today bloomberg reports the trump campaign approved the idea
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for that poutin/trump campaign meeting. we should note it never took place. and then he received an open invite by putin for trump to meet him had. now we get to a key moment. it was the next day. april 26th. papadopoulos meets a russian contact in london saying the russians had dirt on then candidate clinton, including thousands of e-mails. so what else was going on now that we're piecing this together? that night, i am a 26, trump was celebrating a primary victory and said this. >> we have a lot of power. we're going to have a great relationship with putin and russia. >> most primary victory speeches don't involve references to putin, by the way. then it was a day later that
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papadopoulos e-mails a high official. putin wants to invite the team to moscow when the time is right. that night, trump has a foreign policy speech that you may have heard about. it was with sergei kiss lack attending. >> we desire to live peacefully and in friendship with russia and china. we have serious differences with these two nations and must regard them with open eyes. but we are not bound to be adversaries. we he should seek common ground, based on shared interests. i believe an easing of tensions, improved relations with russia from a position of strength only, is possible. absolutely possible. some say the russians won't be reasonable. i intend to find out. >> now here's the fairest thing we can say about trump's overtures to russia. a lot of politicians advocate reversing even harsh stances
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toward adversarial country. nixon famously went to china. it does happen. the issue here under investigation is not whether it happened but what else was happening. so back to our time line. on june 3, donald trump jr. gets an e-mail in the morning from someone linked to russia saying they can provide official documents to incriminate hillary and he implies, if it's what you say, i love it. later that day, at a campaign rally in california, trump says this. >> putin said donald trump is a genius. he will be the next great leader of the united states. think of it. so they wanted me to disavow what he said. how dare you call me a genius. how dare you call me a genius, vladimir. never say a thing. wouldn't it be nice if we actually got along with russia? wouldn't that be good? is that a bad thing? >> it could be nice. it is not, itself, evidence of
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anything other than a policy plan. but we're seeing other evidence that june 9th secret trump tower meeting days after what you just heard him say at that rally. we all know about that. january 20th, he becomes president. four days later he interviewed mike flynn touching on russia. by january 27th, there new nail, papadopoulos is first speaking to the fbi and he has admitted he was lying that day about his contacts with russia. keep in mind that same day donald trump takes the unusual step of asking the fbi director, jim comey, to come to the white house for a one-on-one dinner which we later learned was about a demand for loyalty. >> he called me at my desk at lunch time and asked me he, was i free for dinner that night. he called himself and said can you come over for dinner tonight. he said yes, sir. the dinner was in effort to
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build a relationship. he asked specifically of loyalty in the context of asking me to stay. as the president of the united states with me alone saying, i hope this, i took it as this is what he wants me to do. i didn't obey it but that's the way i took it. >> that testimony under oath. what comey describes as an out of nowhere call. the same day papadopoulos admits in court he lied to the fbi. it was july 27th when this got going. papadopoulos arrested at dulles airport. and they say sometimes history echos. that july 27th was a year after another piece of potentially incriminating evidence, a public statement from a candidate to an adversary, when donald trump said this. >> i will tell you this. russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.
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i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. >> congressman jim hines joins me. that's the time line that has emerged as we put all the pieces together. your response? >> well, it is a rich time line but it over mitts a number. other critical, weird questions about russia. that the fbi ultimately fired jim comey and told a reporter that he did he that to relieve the pressure on the russia investigation. it admitted the national security adviser was forced to step down because he lied about contacts with the russians. a persist tent theme in this whole development. the hallmarks of this administration has been to lie about contacts with russia. the attorney general didn't fully disclose before the senate, his contacts to lie such that one individual has pled
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guilty. another individual has lost his job. many are you understand a cloud and the question is why? why does this keep happening? >> right. the time line. it is like when book something. here's another one if we're going back. what is suspicious about moving people from the room. >> a really significant fact is why would you kick everybody out of the office? the general, the chief of staff out, to talk to me if it was about something else? so that to me as an investigator is a very significant fact. >> when you look at that and you look at the overlap between the discussions in public about putin and then what we've seen at certain levels of the campaign, what questions do you have left about george papadopoulos? >> well, of course, the big question about george
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papadopoulos is what has he been doing these last couple months when he's been cooperating with mueller's investigation. i'm sure i'm not the only person here. i suspect there are many here down pennsylvania avenue who are thinking the same thing. of course, he has been an active source now for the fbi. he is presumably been out there asking questions, having conversations, rule thatbly recording the conversations. so really the big question is, what other shoes are there to drop here. the big question for us of course, it is interesting. last week you'll recall, many of my friends on the republican side were calling for a winding down of the congressional investigation because they said there wasn't evidence of collusion. we can have a long conversation about what collusion means what we do know is that there are now two people, the president's son and george papadopoulos who by their own admission were seeking collaboration with the russians. and that points to another big question is, then what happened? the answer may be nothing. but we certainly don't 3
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about the trump campaign. what about people who actually worked on it. michael caputo was an adviser before leaving the campaign in 2016. he spoke to congressional investigators and he joins me now. thank you for being here. >> thank you for inviting me. >> have you talked to the fbi or mueller's team? i thought we would do a couple of quick yes or nos. >> no, i have not. if they call i'll be happy to cooperate. >> is it bad for a campaign in the united states to get help or something of value from a
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foreign country? >> i think if i were contacted by an intermediary or a foreign country, i would have kicked it right upstairs and tried to make sure. would it send a red flag for me. but i've been in politics for 30 years and papadopoulos had been in politics for 30 seconds. donald trump jr. was on his first campaign. so when these he entreaties come in, if you don't have the experience, you might not know what to do. >> so when he says, they got thousands of e-mails, and they have dirt on hillary clinton. you think he shouldn't have taken those meetings? you wouldn't have continued to talk to them? >> no. i think what i would have done is kicked it to paul manafort or other people in the campaign naflt typical campaign, especially for a presidential campaign, you have an opposition research department, a legal department sxfrlt we didn't have either of those in the trump campaign. >> you paid jones plenty of
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money. >> no doubt. we had outside counsel. >> you said kick it up. i hear that. that makes sense. now we know it went to a campaign supervisor. he said these meetings were great work. and bloomberg saying he they approved the meeting. do you agree he that? >> no, i don't. i don't think it actually happen. i don't believe paul manafort would ever agree to any meeting and i've heard that same leak saying 2 a secret meeting. i don't believe paul manafort would have ever agreed to that. he claims it was just being polite. i don't imagine under any circumstances that a person at such a junior level would bring such a cockamamy idea to a campaign and anyone with any sense would task that young man to do anything so stupid.
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>> looking back, do you think the trump campaign should have doctor hired papadopoulos? >> i don't think they did hire him. do you think they should have used his services and had him in that meeting? >> no way. >> what about carter page? >> probably not. he was not qualified to be a presidential foreign policy adviser. he was certainly more qualified than papadopoulos. >> what about michael flynn? >> i think a four star general we combat valor is qualified to do whatever he wishes. i can tell but papadopoulos for a motel. >> what about paul manafort? should they have used his services? >> absolutely. the job was absolutely designed for paul manafort. it was a challenge at the convention. no one was better with delegate head counting at a convention than paul manafort. he was the right man for the job. >> so legally he is presumed innocent but you say legally he
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was right for the job. he is now exposed as hiding and failing to admit that he was working for a foreign power all the way to 2015. a lot of americans are working for american campaigns. why would you still stand by employing someone who we know is working for a foreign power in 2015? >> well, i think there are dozens and dozens. if you include internationally, hundreds and hundreds of international consultants working all over the world. paurt is one of they will. there are so many democrats who do the same thing. in fact, during one of the reelections campaigns for the campaign, paul manafort hired over a dozen delegates. this is part of the deal. this is what goes on in international elections. people who are really good at it end up being invited to do in it other countries. paul manafort was one of the best at what he does. he hadn't worked american campaigns for a while. the challenge we had on the trump campaign called for a guy with his kinds of skills.
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>> my last question for you is the one just hard to square, even if you want to give white house the benefit of the doubt. with all of this coming out, and you just said some of these people shouldn't have been hired why. does the president say, of course you shouldn't of taken e-mails like that, and of course anyone who did that, why doesn't he just say that? >> i can't say i sit in the president's head like that. i can tell you at no time during the campaign, at no time after i spoke to him in the campaign, did he even breathe the word russia to me. there was zero russian collusion. the fact that everybody is hanging medals on the chest of a guy experience like papadopoulos who had zero qualifications to be advising the campaign, and did zero for the campaign at all. hanging it out there like he will be the smoking gun on the
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trump campaign. that's hilarious. >> well, hanging it out there. we'll put the picture up one more time. he was seated at a table with then candidate donald trump and jeff sessions. it is not other people putting him there. the trump folks made a decision to put him at that table but i take your point that there's a lot we don't yet know and we like to get multiple perspectives. thank you for being here. >> it is always a pleasure to be on with you. >> thank you. i appreciate that. have a good night. up ahead, grilling social media execs about russia. one man not taking questions, mark zuckerberg. marshall, i have some questions of my own. i'm going to ask them to you on air. stay with us. a heart attack doesn't care what you eat
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while the russia probe is focused on people including three former trump aides charged with crimes, another phase focuses on corporations like twitter, google, and especially facebook. today, senators began grilling those companies including a tech litigator who leads the russia
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portfolio. under oath today he admitted russia has reached even more people on the platforms than originally thought. 150 million people. but facebook's lawyer doesn't set the company's priorities. he just implements them. any fundamental changes require mark zuckerberg who didn't testify today. he did make time to speak to facebook investors today and announced record earnings. but he's not taking questions from russia right now. so mark, even if you're not taking questions, i do have some for you. and mark, the first question is obvious. why didn't you realize facebook had and has a problem? we know when facebook serves up lies in the news section, it tricks voters and it influences our voters. why did you reject that as crazy? >> personally, i think the idea that fake news on facebook, it is a very small amount of the
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content, influenced the election in any way, i think is a pretcr idea. ? & the denial that's facebook isn't no. we are a technology company, not a media company. >> now you say fake news is a big problem on facebook and you regret those claims, which sounds like a good change of heart if it was a response to new facts you learned. and that raises a second question, the watergate question. >> what did the president know? and when did he know it? >> at today's hearing facebook says it learned of some of these problems as early as 2015. and a facebook investor warned you, mark, prior to the 2016 election about bad actors exploiting facebook to cause harm in politics. so mark, when did you first learn that, one, fake news was
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some of the most popular content on facebook during the general election and two, russia spent over a hundred thousand dollars an ads and when did you learn they were trickering fake accounts. bots, political cat-fishing. 40 million fake accounts your company admitted to just today. and mark, it didn't take russia to show problems with fake accounts that don't have real identity. we heard about that from you. >> those things are on the web, aren't designed primarily to use your friends. they don't assume you have real identity. it means that this is really you, you're tied to it. you're going to put higher quality content in there and not flame or do something disrespectful because it's tied to who you are. we think it's a profound change. it's -- the web looks a lot different when everything is completely anonymous than when some things are -- have your friends and real identity.
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>> you got that right. and if most americans on facebook are using their real identity, why let russians be totally anonymous? today we saw that during the campaign russians falsely pretended to be pennsylvania miners for trump. fraudulently posed as an african-american activist group and russian voter suppression trying to trick clinton voters into thinking they could vote by text. mark, voter suppression is a crime. when americans suppress votes they get charged, a gop operative was convicted of sending phone calls to falsely say the democrat had already won. that was fake news and it was illegal. >> should it be this easy to game facebook? americans have a right to post most speech on the nintet. foreign espionage operatives have fewer rights. can you also answer the question, mark, that your board
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member ducked at her recent washington trip? tell us whether your companies targeting for russians did or didn't match the trump campaign's targeting. >> what have you learned between the oplap in targeting between the trump campaign and targeting of the russian accounts. >> targeting is broad. >> the overlap between the trump campaign and the russian accounts. >> targeting is something everyone uses. >> the trump campaign and russian accounts. you don't know or won't tell me? >> when the ads get released we'll also release the targeting for the ads. so, again, we're going to be fully transparent. >> come on! we are in the territory of questions on questions on questions. one of which is why won't she answer. if there is overlap and you didn't know, why not just tell us now. and mark, do you get why people are suspicious about all this? you run a cooperation. doesn't have automatic loyalty to any one nation. and the kremlin is not the only autocratic regime exploiting
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facebook. most of your customers are from outside north america. 85%. in china you agreed to suppress dissenting comment. russia was so important you personally went there and met with putin's hand pick minister. an anti-human rights group urged you not to be friends with a dictator to jails bloggers and sentences free speech. are you going to keep up the corporate diplomacy or draw a line with them about meddling in u.s. elections? do you really think you should meet with kremlin officials personally but only send your lawyer to today's u.s. congressional hearings about russia? you say facebook is great for transparency and that's what the government should provide about digital data they request. >> the more transparency in communication the government could do about how they're requesting data from us, the
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better everyone would feel about it. >> so mark, why is your position transparency for government, transparency for all of us facebook users and secrecy for you. i oppose basic labeling requirements for foreign ads an facebook which could have flagged the russian ads. before 2016 your company said a disclaimer on facebook ads would be inconvenient. mark, do you still think transparency would be inconvenient when it might actually protect our elections? one of the regulators told us the rule would have helped. >> if we have firmer disclosure rules, stronger disclosure rules that has both a deterrence and protection function that the supreme court has long recognized it really important in addition to just informing people where they're getting their information, because who wants to get their information from a russian troll farm. >> another good question. and mark, maybe you have some good answers. we don't know because you
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haven't taken questions about russia in public all year from congress or journalists since that november appearance when you dismissed the impact of fake news. and i want to be clear. mark. you are go ahead at technology. you are amazing at capitalism. nobody doubts that. you get things intuitively most of us could probably never figure out. but right now this is actually about something bigger than technology and capitalism. this is about democracy and justice. so a lot of these questions, they circle back to one question. whose side do you want to be on? n security events every day. ddos campaigns, ransomware, malware attacks... actually, we just handled all the priority threats. you did that? we did that. really. we analyzed millions of articles and reports. we can identify threats 50% faster. you can do that? we can do that. then do that.
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i was speaking about mark zuckerberg's 2012 trip to russia, a meeting with the kremlin official under new scrutiny. i want to reiterate mr. mark zuckerberg has an invite to come on this show and answer any questions. we appreciate everyone watching tonight. that's it for the beat. see you back at 6:00 p.m. eastern. "hardball" starts now. witness for the prosecution. let's play "hardball." good evening. i am chris matthews in new york. threatened by an escalating russian probe that's bearing down on the white house itself, president trump has disavowed george papadopoulos, the campaign foreign policy adviser who trump once called an excellent guy. now that papadopoulos is a proactive cooperator in the special counsel's investigation, the message from the white house and trump's allies is we hardly knew him.


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