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received. i just want to thank my family and friends for their support and all other responding officers who assisted me. >> one of new york city's heroes of yesterday. new york city police officer ryan nash gets tonight's last word. "the 11th hour" starts now. tonight, donald trump online one. the president calls "the new york times" directly today to push back against news accounts that describe him as fuming over monday's indictments. plus it's not the normal thing to do in the first 24 hours after a deadly terror attack in america's largest city, donald trump spent the day attacking a top democrat, pushing his hard line immigration policies and calling the american justice system a laughingstock. and the president's political alter ego is pushing for a more aggressive and negative line of attack against robert mueller before it's too late. "the 11th hour" begins now.
good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. i'm nicolle wallace in for brian williams. new court documents showing a man running down people in a pickup truck told the fbi he wanted to kill as many people as possible and that he felt good about what he did. he was in court for the first time late today in a wheelchair facing a judge and new federal charges. we'll talk more about the case and president trump's reaction to it later in the broadcast. but first with a simple phone call this afternoon donald trump changed the subject back to robert mueller and the russia investigation. "the new york times" headline. "in a call with times reporter trump projects air of calm over charges."
"the times" quotes the president, i'm not under investigation as you know he said late wednesday afternoon, pointing to the indictment of his former campaign chief, paul manafort, the president said even if you look at that there's no reports in there. since then his résume has raised questions about how he got on the campaign in the first place. a question former campaign manager cory lewandowski tried to answer on mtp daily. >> it was a hasally put together list. it was one meeting the advisory committee. so these names were added. i can tell you, this, it was exactly one meeting. what woo eknow about george papadopoulos he was originally hired by had ben carson campaign, and he came originally
hired from one in washington, d.c. >> the investigation has washington and the white house waiting to see what's next and proceeding with extreme caution. joining me now "the washington post" national political reporter robert costa, jennifer rogers, now with columbia law school, and michael crowley. our second date of the day. thank you for coming back to be with me. robert costa, let me start with you donald trump's pattern of bringing everything back to russia. with the call today to "the new york times" guaranteeing that his interview with maggy haberman and her colleague, peter baker, will now drive the conversation with russia for another day. >> we shall see, nicolle. what we saw in this interview with "the new york times" as you mentioned at the beginning of the show, there was no mention of trump in these indictments
that came out. but when you look at george papadopoulos he is under scrutiny and has pled guilty with cooperating with these charges and working with federal investigators because of the work he did when he was on the trump campaign, how he talked to the fbi about what happened during that campaign. >> for lying to it fbi, i mean that's why he plaed guilty. >> correct. >> let me ask you, donald trump likes to jab people. in terms of a political asymmetrical campaign, it was an effective strategy for the president. but under a legal strategy, do you think calling george papadopoulos low level george will do him any good? >> based on conversations he's advised to layoff on
conversations with special consul mueller, to let it proceed carefully. but there are many conservative allies on capitol hill who are telling the president privately to engage with mueller in a more combative way. this is the tension we're detecting at the post. the president yoz you said is protect projecting calm in a "the new york times" interview. but tensions are running high because they know these indictments may not be the end of the story. in fact, they may just be the beginning. >> jen iffnifer, let me pick upt point with you. i can't think of anyone more impervious than bob mueller. can you talk about the investigation and the political climate and the chaos created by donald trump and his political associates and surrogates. >> well, i think they're certainly trying to stay insulated from that. at some level they can't avoid
some of what's going on, and as you know they're not completely insulated because they could be fired. >> but short of firing him, bob mueller isn't someone who's going to be intimidated by a mean tweet from the president. >> well, personality-wise that's absolutely true. there's no question he and his team are working hard and not concerned with what the president's doing. he's not angered by it, not going to be goaded into something by it. that is definitely true. of course if the president goes further and tries to get rid of him, of course that will affect his investigation. >> let me ask you swrg. i can't remember the last time that a presidential campaign would announce its team and you wouldn't recognize the name on it. let me read you something from "the new york times." headline "ongoing trump migraine."
mr. trump's surprise march to the nomination had left the parties establishment openly questioning whether he had the foreign policy experience and whether he was too much of of a loose canon to be entrusted with the presidency. mr. trump's solution, cobble together a collection of men who was written off as loose thinkers in washington circles. to put it less politely, they had people with no experience. papadopoulos came from the carson campaign and wasn't even recommended by his previous employer on the carson campaign as a foreign policy advisor. >> it was a rogue gallery. and i do remember when these names were rolled out, we were laughing. people who were foreign government officials and foreign policy experts, have jow heard of this guy? i mean i remember conversations with people who said i worked in foreign policy for years, i know
everybody in republican foreign policy establishment, and i've literally never heard of these people. and george papadopoulos was one of them. and it's a reminder to step back from the russia stuff, specifically, first of all how prepared donald trump was to become president. really there's a lot of evidence he didn't expect to win, when he did, had no transition plan in place. we still have a huge number of unfilled jobs. and we do see in places throughout the government people who appear to be unqualified. this is an ongoing problem, not just a weird thing that was happening in the campaign. it's very endemic or emblematic of donald trump as a president. one consequence of this is that he's been poisoned by some of these frankly kind of weird characters who came in carter page is another one, pretty unusual, mysterious guy. and we're still trying to figure out who are these characters who he opened the door to and what
are the consequences for him. >> well, one other thing they all have in common at least carter page and george papadopoulos, they both had contacts with rugs, they both initially lied about their contacts with russians, they both confessed to their contacts with russians. but what does trump's inner circle has to say about this rogue gallery as michael crowley accurately described them, what they have in common is an affinity for putin and a pension for lying about their contacts with russians? >> well, what we detected last year throughout the course of the reporting on the trump foreign policy team was that this was a group not part of the foreign policy establish lt in washington, and they did not have smf oit hawkish views in particular with regard to russia like some of the people have in washington. he actually came to "the washington post" last year to unveil this list, and i spoke to
then candidate trump as he was unveiling this list. ask it was kwloclear at that mo he was trying to assert himself as someone who had a little bit of gravitas in foreign policy, although it was clear he wasn't familiar with the names. he did put an emphasis at the time when he announced this list that he did know them somewhat. he met with them at the trump hotel, then under construction in washington. and he was trying to always show he had people around him. while he didn't have deep connections with them, he did use them throughout the course of the campaign as a way to signal his seriousness as a candidate. >> robert costa, looked up the transcript of that editorial board meeting which was extraordinary and remains an extraordinary document in american history. do you remember what he said? >> i do. excellent guy, something to that effect. >> excellent guy. >> excellent guy who lied about
whether he had done model u.n. >> right, an excellent guy who was not recommended by his previous boss. >> and attorney general sessions ran that group, and he's part of this whole question as well about who was in this group and what were they doing? >> he also has in common with carter page and george papadopoulos when asked about his contacts with russia, he lied about them. can you speak to this sort of undercurrent of a group of foreign policy advisers who not only were they not part of the foreign policy establishment but they were reflecting what donald trump was saying, anfinity for putin's leadership style. >> all the while there's this noise about russia and who's communicating with russia, and time and time again we're seeing people actually were communicating with russia. and it wasn't just actually
george papadopoulos, who who can dismiss as this low level guy. it was carter page, papadopoulos. it was flynn as a paid guest speaker. the question is who wasn't. but it's papadopoulos communicating this stuff to upper level campaign people, too is where i was going. and in the documents that were released it's not just he was on his own, he's communicating with his supervisors in the campaign up to paul manafort with these communications. >> and getting some positive feedback. great work was one e-mail -- >> from clovis. let me ask you the exposure, is that what you're watching for? >> i am. the problem is, though, everyone is talking about collusion and what it means, but the problem is what is a crime? you still have be conspiring to do something illegal. conspiring to win an election is
not illegal. so you're really looking for some conspiracy to hack the e-mails, to break into the election itself, the election mechanisms in different states. >> perjury is a crime, though, right? >> perjury is crime, false statements is a crime. >> is it possible they've been interviewed and not told the truth? >> it's possible, yes. we're going to squeeze in a quick break. coming up, hours after the attack in new york president trump goes negative against the senior state chuck schumer. so much not wanting to get political in the hours after a national tragedy. and later hardball chris matthews weighs in on the latest of the russia investigation and tells us the most important thing that donald trump could learn from kennedy. "the 11th hour" back right after this. speaking of tech wonders, with the geico app you can get roadside assistance, digital id cards... or even file a claim.
if i had told you nine months ago that i believe we would find evidence that the russian government threw intermediaries would offer assistance in the form of derogatory information about hillary clinton to the very top levels of the trump campaign including his son, son-in-law and campaign manager as what they described as part of the russian government effort to help donald trump, and that the reaction from the campaign is we would love that help, you would say you're crazy, no one is going to be stupid enough to put that in writing. and yet that's exactly what we found. >> that was a top democratic on the house intel committee, adam schiff encouraging people to take stock of where we are in the russia investigation.
and today some released some on the social media ads russia paid for doing the campaign. like this one showing satan saying if i win, clinton wins and, jesus replying not if i can help it. or this one saying make america great again and asking people to attend trump rallies. like this one advertising trump is not my president march in new york city four days after the election. this came after facebook, twitter and google testified an capitol hill. let me start with you, michael. the social media companies as i understand it from karen fisher and others who follow them daily were very reluctant to come to this point, to disclose, to share. and there's a sense they're sort of being dragged towards transparency. do they understand at the end of this process they are likely to be regulated more than they are
now, and that they are going to face the same kinds of scrutiny in most sort of political scenarios that i understand, but media company space. >> i think it's finally beginning to dawn on them. i think that silken valley has had this eluceary bubble, that they've created they're own utopian world out there in california. and they don't need the government, they're creating a better culture and civilization inside of these platforms like google and facebook. but it turns out that the big bad world intrudes and that the russians are trying to get in, and who knows who else is trying to hack into private dat aa on their servers around the world. and there are actually national implications. of course twitter has done with implications having to do with harassment. so the government is coming after them, and they are going to have to accept that. and they're also fined if their
reputations are being transformed, including tightens like mark zuckerberg, who had hillary clinton won the election we would be having a panel talking about mark zuckerberg would be hillary clinton's -- in the white house. partly because you were naive about the threats to had systems you created. >> and do you think they were prepared? i mean i had the sense from talking to them that their initial posture well, the trump campaign just took better advantage of our tools. they really didn't want to take responsibility for the way that a foreign adversary manipulated the american public. do you see any changes either to laws, the regulations, to the practices of these companies? >> elwith, are i think we will have some. there will be new laws, increased regulation, there's no question. and you know companies never want to be regulated.
they want do it opaquely usually just because they want to control all of that. i do think we'll have legislation. diane feinstein is out pretty strong saying we'll have things like that. >> robert costa, i'm going out this weekend to talk to folks i've been spending time with over the last 12 months, every single one of them told me they got the vast majority of their news about donald trump, about hillary clinton from facebook. >> and it's going to have consequences as we were discussing on capitol hill because there's already skepticism in the republican party about the rise of big tech. and you see many conservative lawmakers talking about regumenting that industry in a more significant way. and we see political advertising regulated on television and on radio with federal laws in a way that we just really haven't figured out as a country when it comes to social media. that's something we're all going to be paying attention to in the coming year in the wake of this.
what do we really know about what's happening on social media through technology to influence elecks both from foreign powers and here at home? >> robert costa, jennifer rogers and michael crowley, thank you see much for starting us off. coming up, the president of the united states called our justice system a joke and a laughingstock. that really happened. that's ahead when "the 11th hour" continues. david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance..." through the tuition assistance program, every day mcdonald's helps more people go to college. it's part of our commitment to being america's best first job. ♪
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i am today starting the process of terminating the diversery lottery program. diversery and diversity lottery. diversity lottery sounds nice, it's not nice. it's not good. we need quick justice and we need strong justice. much quicker and much stronger than we have right now. because what we have right now is a joke, and it's a laughingstock. >> mr. president, do you want the assailant from new york sent to -- >> i would certainly krd thcons that. send him to gitmo, i would certainly consider that, yes. >> thafs the president less than 24 hours after a terrorist
killed eight people in new york city. he said he's consider sending a suspect who reportedly has a green card to guantanamo bay. that suspect now faces terrorism charges. he's accused of renting a truck and running over cyclists and pedestrians on a bike path in the name of isis. he told the fbi he's been studying isis videos, and his intent was to kill as many people as possible. joining my now shawn henry form assistant director at the fbi and nbc news analyst, and charlie sykes, animist nbc contributor, also on his second date with me for the day. so cut him some slack. vivian, let me start with you and any late reporting you have on where the investigation stands and what strikes you from
the president's response to it thus far? >> well, the president's response is obviously something that's been very systematic with the president in terms of lashing out at the immigration policies of our country and particularly allowing admitting people from overseas especially from majority muslim countries, something he has been very much against and very suspicious of since the beginning of his presidency, since his campaign actually. and what we saw today is the president coming out and sort of out of the blue calling attention to extreme vetting, saying we need to get tougher on it. and again proposing we look into this diversity visa program. that triggered a number of responses from capitol hill specifically from chuck schumerhoods that the president is really politicizing this issue, and he's really dropping the ball on a number of counter terrorism measures that should be taken into consideration that this administration is proposing to cut as part of its budget proposal. and so there are a number of
fema related programs, specifically grants that are specifically designed for counter terrorism that this budget proposes to cut. and so here we have this suspect with a green card who the president is now at to use as an example of why we need to get tougher on admitting some of these people into the country. so it's a very, very contentious subject, a lot of legal implications which we're not sure of the president, how extent he's been briefed on it, or he's shooting from the hip or proposing these things on the fly. that remains to be seen. definitely some legal questions as well as some ethical, diversity, racial issues coming along with it. >> shawn, let me ask you about this scenario itself. i was on the air in the hour after it happened, and people were sort of saying under their breath, and nbc was very cautious not to report anything
until we had from two or three or four sources that this looked like niece, this looked like barcelona. i know from counter terrorism folks that this lone wolf, self-radicalized on the internet is a nightmare scenario. >> i think that's exactly right and for the reason you suggested. people are being radicalized online. isis is looking for disenfranchised people, people s susceptible to this type of manipulation. and they're telling them to create as much harm and havoc and kill as many infidels as possible. the vehicle is the perfect weapon. and we've seen this happen time and time again it throughout the western world for the last few years. this has the mall park of an isis inspired event. and according to the kplapt that i read, he was inspired by isis, he's been looking at isis.
there are more than 90 videos on his phone. there are dozens and dozens of searches, thousands of isis photographs. so clearly he was engaged and radicalized by isis to create this havoc throughout the city of new york. >> charlie, let's turn to the president's response. there's a whole normal range of things to do. president bush, president clinton and president obama all had different approaches. they all dealt with terror attacks and mass tragedies on their watches. but in my quick cursory glance i didn't find anyone who attacked the senate minority leader on twitter. i didn't find anybody who called the american justice system a laughingstock or a joke in the 12 hours after a terror attack. and i didn't find anyone who didn't find it an urgent priority to have some display of empathy or some display -- there were five argen 10ians killed in the attack. we are the host country of which
five argentineans were killed. the president might have considered a trip to maybe sign a condolence book or some other gesture. can you just talk about not only what americans woke up to do but what they saw from 600 pennsylvania avenue this morning? >> i think where we've come from 9/11, where president george w. bush made that a purpose of national unity, and then what we saw this morning with the tweet attack. it's not just that donald trump cannot resist lashing out, cannot resist having a fight -- >> but no one had attacked him yet. who was he lashing out at? >> he doesn't seem to understand the fundamental role of the president of the united states. one said it's going to be very difficult for me now because the president of this country is turning us against one another. he's basically now using this as an excuse to deeminize all of us
of a certain faith, all imgrnlts. look the diversity program has been around for very long time. a million people have come in on all of this. and the president has decide he's going to make this a wedge issue at a moment as you point out, empathy would have gone a long way. this is the one thing that really strikes me about the president. we can talk about him not being presidential, but there's also a fundamental zeesancy that people in his hometown have been killed, there is a human tragedy. and he uses this as an excuse to lash out at the senator from this state where this tragedy took place. this is not normal. this is not something that we should just, you know, put in the box of, you know, the presidential reactions. this is disturbing. >> and it also doesn't keep us safer. i mean isn't it true after 9/11 some of our best work was the quiet work inside the muslim community, where people worked with law enforcement, with the very skilled counter terror
units in new york city and other cities around the country to help us find people that were troubled, people that were susceptible to radicalsization? >> i think that is one of the answers when you talk about lone wolves. when we've been able to intervene in some of these large conspiracies it's been through wifing people who are communicating with each other. they're transferring money, buying weapons. and there's some kind of conspiracy which has allowed law enforcement to pierce that veil. when you're talking about lone wolf, someone who has has been radicalized you require someone close to that person to come forward. neighbors, coworkers -- >> someone in the mosque that seems them as a little bit odd. >> exactly. and it you disenfranchise, you lose that edge. when i was in washington, d.c., we had a very large outreach program with the muslim community. and it was bringing them in and
developing a level of trust. this is not a war with islam but a war with radical extremists, people looking to kill those who don't believe the way they believe. >> and there's this comment on what a laughing stock and a joke our criminal justice system is. that is also a slander. every criminal justice system has had guilty pleas. so this dissing of the incredible work we have done in the criminal justice system, in bringing to justice these terrorisms, just doesn't seem to register with the president of the united states. >> add it to the list. vivian, did you want to get in a a last word? >> also you risk alienating communities and hurting communities. this diversity visa program has been beneficial foration and african imgrnlts as well. so you're ailulating those immigrants and others as well. so it has huge implications all
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joining me now jeremy peters, anita kumar and charlie sykes is back with us. jeremy, let me start with you. the "vanity fair" reporting aside, if you want to survive a 25th amendment challenge, maybe you should stop attacking your cabinet on twitter. >> well, there is that. i mean the attorney general, right, we thought he say a goner a long time ago. i think donald trump is one who loves to remind his subordinates who's in charge, and he loves to publicly humiliate the people who work for him. but i think that, you know, before we go predicting whether or not he's losing his grip on power or whether or not he's in any type of political peril, removal from office or indictment or whatever, we should remember that we're often pretty bad at predicting these things. i mean i think the predictions of his political demise or
inversely proportional to his actual political peril. and donald trump has survived far worse than what we've seen him go through this week. >> and jeremy makes a good point. i talked to trump advisories -- anita, i'm sorry, in and out of the white house all the time. and they're alarmed by the kind of things cork sees up close. they're alarmed by how he handles himself in office. i have actually not heard anyone really sort of gaming out a strategy for the 25th amendment or for impeachment. >> haven't heard a word of that. i will say this week on monday clearly after the plea agreement came out, they were not thrilled with that for sure. but there are other things to worry about, and there are other reasons donald trump is having problems. obviously you mentioned 1, fighting with republicans. but his approval ratings are not high, and he's really got to be worried about what's happening on capitol hill. i mean they did not pass the health care bill, and now tax
reform looks like it's in trouble, too. so we'll see, but it's really make-or-break on tax reform. so there are a lot of other things on his plate, tweeting as well which is not really popular. so he's got to worry about a lot of other things. it's not just the investigation. >> and charlie, something that really demoralizes them, more than the other things like the 25th amendment, they view those things largely out of their control. but when the president spends eight days and can't let go of a fight with a gold star widow or when general kelly sort of gets dragged into a fight about monuments, it's those things they view particularly the national security folks and not just through the white house, they view that in the category itself of inflicted wounds. >> the donald trump presidency is not the staff, the cabinet. steve bannon is wrong and right
in this. that san important insight. but jeremy peters is absolutely right. there isn't going to be any 25th amendment. this guy is not going anywhere. on the other hand, there's a lot of reasons to believe this will get worse. that "vanity fair" article you referenced also describes the president who is still talking to roger stone and to steve bannon. okay, so we have the voices from crazy town, and apparently has become very disillusioned with jared kushner. so you have someone right now who is increasingly isolated from the country, from his own political party and within his own white house. you know, jeremy is right, you have to be careful about making predictions, but this cannot be good. >> jeremy, let me ask you to speak to the influence of bannon. we all know he's advocating a tougher line with mueller. he's resisted that at the moment, but is that something the president could turn to if the investigation turns closer? i guess kirk schiller from the
house intel and other folks from the president are getting closer and close door the line of fire. >> i would never rule anything out with trump, nicolle, he's prone to firing anybody on a whim. and certainly you've been noticing a drum beat on the right in the conservative media building the case for the delegitimization of robert mueller and ultimately the removal of him, not that that's what donald trump is going to do, but you can hear the allies laying the groundwork for that scenario. saying people who worked for mueller, they're corrupted, given money to democrats, they can't be impartial. and then there are these conspiracies on the right about the uanium deal clinton was involved in that mueller should have been investigating. and it's pretty clear they are trying to impeach his credibility. and donald trump listens to that. that's important. he watches this on fox news, he
gets print outs of these articles handed to him, and it could have an effect. >> anita, one other thing that could have an effect, establishment republicans by and large are still defending bob mueller's integry, his rorld as an fbi director in the months and years after 9/11, his military record and just his reputation of inpeccable integrity and sort of professionalism throughout many decades. >> right you you saw at the white house this week sarah sandsers and others pushed on the notion that president trump was going to fire mueller. i wouldn't put it past him, but it doesn't sound like they're going down that route. i think one of the reasons is in part they would get pushed back big time on capitol hill on the part of republicans. i don't think they'd go there. now, there are other ways to undermine him.
and one of the things you've heard about is whether or not he should defund the investigation or just not provide a lat of money for him to continue on. so you might things in that vein, that they would undermine him but not outright fire him. >> thank you so much. coming up, the new author of a new biography of bobby kennedy, our own chris matthews will join us to tell us what our on j own story could teach us about the story today. and we covered it, july first, twenty-fifteen. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
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all we need in the united states is not division. what we need in the united states is not hatred. what we need in the united states is not violence and lawlessness but is love and wisdom and compassion toward one another and a feeling of justice towards those who still suffer within our country, whether they
be white or whether they be black. >> that was bobby kennedy in 1968 in indianapolis as he announced the news of the death of dr. martin luther king, jr. hardball's chris a new book, "bobby kennedy: the raging sprint." symbolizing spirit and unity. it's such an honor to be interviewing you. you have been interviewing me my entire career. i have to say that this is the best book you've written. zblaif writt >> i've written a number of them. i hope that is everybody's case. that is such a statement. relations weren't worse or better. but to go into a black community, a ghetto, they used to call them, in indianapolis, with the police refusing to come in with you.
word of mouth is how you learn things. someone had to tell you. we get the nbc tapes. he said the guy, do they know yet? he didn't know then until he had to stand up there in front of this crowd of people, we're on his side. there were democrats, i guess. they knew why the guy was killed, immediately. and he had a talk about it. and it was awkward. bobby was awkward but he had this great heart. and he said, finding a connection with the crowd, he said, my brother was killed by a white man. how many people can do that? because he had a moral compass. and he was a white guy and it was a black crowd, they knew all he could do is say, you know, i've been through this. we have to have peace and love.
this can't go on. more politicians could talk like that, it would be a better country. i think, they all take sides. we have the black lives thing and the police. bobby, when he was a senator, he wasn't a snooty liberal that walked by the police post. he would stop and talk to the cops every day. and that told me about a bunch of things. he is not an aristocrat. he looked at regular people. we put up a picture on the back. >> i was writing for "the san francisco exam examiner" years ago. i wrote a cover piece. they found that. here's a guy who is probably an enlisted man in the service. he knew how to salute properly. regular clothes. the kid also, and there's the
wife. saluting patriotically to a politician. that's gone. white working people and democrats, it's just a politician. reagan came along and trump came along and picked them up because they weren't being tended to. a friend said, people don't mind being used but they mind being discarded. what did he do? he went into cities, like gary, indiana. went on one side, like in a convertible. the old champ that beat rocky. they put him next to him. and the first african-american, richard harris, on that side. he said, i want you to know, i'm for both sides. i'm a guy for the cops, the firefighters, the waitresses, i'm for regular people. that's gone. >> i want to ask you after the break, how the democrats get that back. i don't know how they win a national election until they figure out how to do that, do
we're back with chris matthews. two-part question. one, we were talking about. how do the democrats get these voters back? how does america get somebody like bobby kennedy to want to be in politics in this climate? >> there's a patriotism where you like the country because it's been good for you. then, there's gut patriotism, where you feel it when the star-spangled banner is playing. and you get gut conservatives in your stomach and your heart. it's real. that's what i grew up with. i accept that on the side. other people are too sophisticated about the country. and condescending to regular people. what's this thing with clinging
to guns and religion? what do you mean by that? knob hill, in the nicest part of san francisco, with all of the rich people, talking about the little people. gary hart years ago, talking to a gay group in l.a., and not a solid waste dump in new jersey. that's a cool line. when my father heard that. why is he making fun of us to sell himself to a sophisticated, well-educated group. why did hillary talk about deplorables. i'm telling you, republicans do it, too. the 47%. and archie bunker. hollywood started this in the '70s. let's make fun of the irish guy that lives in queens. have george jefferson laugh at him. meathead laugh at him. we're better than that. they got the message. you don't want to in the party.
they fell in love with ronald reagan and trump. they were looked down to. and people didn't like being diskoodi discarded. >> bobby said my people are the cops, the pay tres waitresses firefighters. i may be for minorities. but the people i care about are black and white. not just minorities. all of his staff people called him bob. nobody called him senator. he had friends like frank mankiewicz and ed guffman and paul corbett. i got to know them all. they felt for this guy because he was a true democrat. ethel said, bobby was born a democrat. he was a person of the regular people. all these money, he never acted any different. i wanted pictures to be america again. reaching out the young kids, minority kids that were exuberant to see him. and staying true to working class people. >> it's an incredible book.
the timing is perfect. >> you know why? >> we need it. >> i think trump doesn't understand unity. >> we need to think there's another bobby kennedy out there. i need to think it. >> you can't build every argument how we're going to divide islamic people and christian people. >> we're out of time. chris matthews, thank you so much. "bobby kennedy: a raging spirit." that's for everyone here at our broadcast. we'll be back. from all of us in new york, good night. it's been a busy news night. investigative reporter mark hosenball has reported he's discovered the price tag for the trump-russia dossier. commissioned by fusion gps research firm. trump administration and republicans in congress have been trying to turn the existence of that dossier into its own giant scandal, what le