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>> i know more people who are in the national association of realtors than i know people in the chamber of commerce and most americans do. people have real estate husbands and wives working out there and these things out there are things people can understand. that's what you get hit with in 2018. >> i think we're watching them recreate the aca process and the stakes are only higher than obamacare. jason john, thanks for joining me. thanks for joining me.
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good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 287 of the trump administration brings us new information about the russia investigation and it's connection to the current u.s. attorney general. the president's son-in-law, and the man who used to run his campaign among others. let's start with former campaign chairman paul manafort and his associate rick gates, both back in court today. the judge expressed concern about them being a flight risk so both men will stay on home confinement with gps monitoring until at least next week. we also learned that jared kushner has already turned over being involved in a conversation about russia before the election. the other brings us back to this march meeting attended by both trump on the right and sessions on the left. and in the middle, advisor
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george papadopoulos who is now cooperating with mueller's investigation. nbc news reports that during this meeting, for instagram, papadopoulos offered to use his russian contacts to try and set up a meeting between trump and vladimir putin. sessions rejected the idea. the "new york times" spoke to a different person in the meeting about a pitch, the pitch, from papadopoulos. and writes, mr. trump, listened with interest. mr. sessions vehemently opposed the idea. campaign advisor j.d. gordon recalled and he said that no one should talk about it because it might leak, he said. it's important to note that sessions is the one who shot ahead of time he was making that moscow trip. ken dilanian, national security or whether it was this march meeting, as if they are isolated
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>> look, he has contradicted himself so many times in the last, since january, that it really is hard to believe that he has been telling the truth at any one -- at any one point. >> now as all of this unfolds, a new poll takes the temperature of where americans stand on the russia investigation. a washington post abc news poll finds 58% of americans approve of the way muler is handling the investigation, 28% do not. that's more than a two to one margin. it also found 37% think trump is cooperating with the mueller investigation, 51% do not think he's cooperating. and 49% of americans think it's likely the trump committed a crime in connection with russia's work to influence our election, 44% think it's
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unlikely he committed a crime. to our lead off panel tonight. welcome to all of you. joyce, let me start with you. there is just this constant trickle of new information about people connected to the trump campaign who had something to do with russia. may or may not be a suspicious and it's face accept that everybody denied they had anything to do with russia. >> the cumulative incidents that we're starting to hear about will certainly lead to interest on the behalf of mueller's team. obviously they have a lot of information that we don't have in the public. perhaps they're not surprised by any of these new public disclosures, but the more contact we find out individuals had with russia during the
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campaign, after the campaign, the more difficult it becomes for them to explain it away. these excuses of i forgot or it wasn't significant, it wasn't what you asked if he about, once we have three or four events in someone's trajectory, it starts to look what prosecutors call willful blindness like their ostrich-like sticking their head in the sand, trying to ignore evidence of contact with russia as opposed to truly being unaware of it. >> and we to want remind everybody, shannon, about the exchange that the president had with julie pace of the associated press several months ago when, for the first of many times he was asked quite directly about his knowledge of his campaign team and their connections with russia. let's listen. >> can you say whether you are aware that anyone who advised your campaign had contacts with russia during the course of the election? >> during the election?
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>> so shannon, what do you think this means that we just saw that polling that's indicating that americans are beginning to -- the numbers of americans who are suspicious of the president's involvement with russia are growing, he has vehemently denied this and yet in the face of more russian interference in the election and evidence of it, he still has not take an position that he understands the seriousness of that. >> well, still nothing has shown that he knew of any collusion or he knew of meetings taking place, you know, that piece hasn't necessarily come out yet. and been flushed out yet, but of course, this was a tight knit campaign of people who worked on this campaign said, not much happened that, you know, candidate trump now president trump didn't know about. this wasn't a big bureaucratic campaign spread out over two
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cities. this was a pretty tight knit group. so, i mean, that is going to be a question people are going to ask of whether or not he knew about this. i mean what this does for his public perception, i mean, i think the country really is sort of fallen on, you know, two sides of the fence with everything that he does. whether it's russia, whether it's comments about the flag, his tweets, you know, his policies, you either love them or hate them. certain meetings, but why is this all going to jeff sessions at this point? >> well, it's just the drip, drip, drip of information and happens to be about jeff sessionings right now and as far as the white house is concerned, that's just fine with them because it's not about president trump. just as the news of the first indictments on monday being
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about manafort and gates, the white house initially, their reaction was, see, not about us, no collusion, this is just white collar crime issue, it'll be dealt with. that obscures some of the deeper anxieties that they have. it's fascinating if you step back and realize that this is a white house and a president in a defensive reactive posture, they're watching tv just like the rest of the country to find these things out. there's not really a possibility of them going back and doing a self-vet because this campaign was so free wheeling, it was just flying by the seat of their pants and it was really led by donald trump. so he may not have known about these conversations taking place, doesn't mean they didn't take place, but that may shield him a little bit. but in terms of protecting themselves now, knowing what's coming, very difficult for them to do that, and i know that even though the president is going to make phone calls to reporters
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and say everything is fine, i'm not worried, tells you something, one that he feels the need to make those calls and make those declarations, but also, they know inside this white house that whatever manafort knows, manafort's doing and jail time right now. if he doesn't cooperate or perhaps come forward. right. so he's being set out there as an example if he doesn't cooperate, but that case isn't over. he may cooperate. he may give some information. and you have news today that the mueller folks are getting materials from kushner who was at bedminister with the president the weekend they made the decision to fire james comey.
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so there's so much of this still to go, i know the white house likes to say, see, no collusion, and sort of check off each day. so he's like they didn't get us today, but there are a lot of days still to come. >> joyce, when you look at it from paul manafort or rick gates' perspective, if they've got information to trade, they've got decisions to make as to whether they're going to give that information in exchange for his eli says, less jail time or no jail time on what looks like a solid indictment. what if they don't have information to trade for? that's bad news. that's a solid indictment against them. >> well, they can still plead guilty, they'll get credit for acceptance of responsibility and get a lighter sentence than they would otherwise, but i think it's unlikely that they don't have information to offer here. we don't know what kind of information that might be. it could frankly be limited to information about other white collar-type transactions, perhaps apps, dealings overseas or it could be information about what went on during this campaign. but i think the idea that they are as involved as they were to this tune of millions of dollars, and that they don't have information that would interest federal prosecutors, that seems extremely unlikely. >> shannon, i want to bring up this picture again of that meeting in which george papadopoulos and jeff sessions and donald trump were all at. each time somebody comes out with information that may be connecting people or maybe connecting all of them to russia, the white house down plays it. and they have now described this picture as having been taken for instagram to basically quiet
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everybody down, to say that, you know, people who were saying you don't have a foreign policy team. they said this group never met again as a group, and they're down playing the whole thing. papadopoulos as coffee boy and low paid, low level volunteer, what do you make of this? >> well, we keep finding out more and more. it seemed like initially it was as you were describing, you know, papa who? carter page what, and like they'd never heard of these people. and then, of course, little bits come out more and more that, you know, there was this meeting with sessions and the president where he did speak up, that, you know, there was a dinner that carter page had with sessions where he mentions this trip to russia, that there were other meetings that papadopoulos was in with the national security advisors. so we're starting to learn more and more, but i still do hear from people in the campaign who did not -- these figures were doef nitly not part of the inner circle. they were definitely not advisor
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level, trump tower type inner circle figures. that is one thing people are consistent about during the campaign, but i think the idea of them being the coffee boy, we're starting to find out information that says it was, tfrs more than that. >> joyce, what do you make of the strategy then where mueller has started at the top with manafort and at the bottom possibly with papadopoulos, what do you make of his strategy and where it leads? >> so one of the hallmarks of a good prosecutor is that you don't delay a case when it's ready to indict. and i think that's what we're seeing here. the manafort case, that piece of the case was ready to move forward. and it's clear that mueller has established different teams within the special counsel's operation, we see different lawyers signing off on the manafort indictment than we saw
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on the papadopoulos line of case. and so those teams, although there may have been a little bit of coordination here, i think that they're moving forward with their cases separately. but one thing that did happen when these indictments were released to the public view is that we got a good sense of how mueller is working. and although papadopoulos may be at the lower end of the spectrum in terms of cull. ability and indeed that's what we're forced to conclude by the fact that he is now looking at a sentence of zero to six months, we're also seeing an elegantly crafted message that people who lie will be held accountable, but also people that cooperate with the investigation and provide information will have better outcomes than those who don't. manafort was obviously being courted by the special counsel's office. they obviously reached out, told him that he was a target and would have given him the opportunity to cooperate, and instead he chose to let them indict him, perhaps playing for a pardon at some point, but he
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will be on a very different trajectory than papadopoulos with his guilty plea. >> eli, jared kushner has come into play in the last couple of days. there is talk, probably, from the bannon camp that the president is very angry at jared kushner, holds him responsible for the decision to fire james comey and for other decisions that have taken them down a road they don't want to be on. is that the palace intrigue at the white house or something to that as far as you know? >> that aligns with what our reporting says. he is still talking to the president and serves him well and his interests to continue to sort of sew mistrust between the president and other people in his ear. jared kushner, he's an easy target at the moment to blame for some of these things. he was there for the decision to fire jim comey, the worst decision in american political history. so we know what steve bannon think abouts this already. i would go back to joyce's point about mueller sending this message. he is sending this message
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before his folks have met with jared kushner, with hope hicks, with the real inner circle -- >> the message is if you're lying possibly about anything, i'll come after you. >> he is basically saying, i know so you can tell me the truth, and question work together. or, you could be obstructionists and, you know, look what manafort is facing. i don't know if that's exactly what the message is, but i mean, clearly he's not, he's playing hardball with manafort and sent that message before, they've talked to reince priebus, they've talked to a few other folks, but they have not gotten to the inner circle, those are coming. and this whole thing, i know we had indictments this week, but this is still very much an early stages. >> shannon, joyce, eli, thanks to all three of you. still ahead tonight, president and republicans have a tax plan, but can they pass it? up next, the white house staying on offense says the indictments of robert mueller have nothing to do with the trump white house. steve schmitt and eugene robinson are coming when the 11th hour continues. when i was a navy seal,
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welcome back to the 11th hour. a veteran of the bush white house and mccain campaigns, both are msnbc political analysts. good evening to both of you gentlemen. steve, i want to play for you what sarah huckabee sanders said on monday about the russia investigation, and then let's talk about it on the other side. >> but look, today's announcement has nothing to do with the president. has nothing to do with the president's campaign or campaign activity.
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the real collusion scandal as we've said several times before has everything to do with the clinton campaign, fusion gps, and russia. >> papadopoulos is in on the campaign, it is specifically about the campaign -- >> it has nothing to do with the activities of the campaign. it has to do with his failure to truth. that doesn't have anything to do with the campaign or the campaign's activities. >> steve, it's remarkable to draw that sort of distinction. i don't think it logically exists in the minds of most americans. i mean, most of us can figure out a campaign is different from a presidency, but so many of the team members are the same and there's a continuous threat. what do you make of that strategy? >> well, first time the dishonesty is just breath taking. there's no normal democracy anywhere in the world where you see that type of lying from the podium of the seat of executive power. you just don't. nowhere, not in candie, australia, great britain. second, it has everything to do with the campaign. paul manafort was the chairman of the campaign. paul manafort, jared kushner, donald trump jr. were in a meeting with russian nationals who represented themselves as being part of the russian
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government for the purposes of delivering dirt on hillary clinton. later, the president of the united states from aboard air force one directed a lie to the american people, trying to cover up the real purpose of that meeting. all of this nonsense talk about fusion gps, the clinton campaign, just like the trump campaign engaged in opposition research. there is nothing illegal, nothing unethical about hiring an investigator, hiring a researcher to find out information through public records or other sources about a potential candidate for president of the united states. it is materially different than what happened with regard to the trump campaign where officials representing themselves to be part of the russian government contacted the campaign to collude with, to work with, to favor one candidate against the other meddling in our election process.
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and that's before we get to the massive russian misinformation, disinformation campaign that so profoundly divided the country and had the affect of weakening the american people's faith in our democratic institutions and our elections processes. the breath taking dishonesty, ally, is nonstop. >> go ahead. >> i'm saying, where you're seeing is a very deliberate effort, really a propaganda effort on the part of the white house and it's enablers across the conservative media to the breath taking dishonesty, ally, is nonstop. >> go ahead. >> i'm saying, where you're seeing is a very deliberate effort, really a propaganda effort on the part of the white house and it's enablers across the conservative media to misinform, to confuse the american people about this important and essential investigation. >> you bring up an interesting point, the concept is there are enablers across the media landscape. a little while ago, new york senator chuck schumer was in here talking to rachel maddow about this, let's listen.
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>> as usual, they are well organized and they also sing from the same hemal. they sure did. they are attempting to do one of develop things, maybe both. one is divert attention away from the investigation. that's futile, this is a serious investigation. the second may be to try and steer things offcourse, that would be -- if there were actions by the president, anyone in the administration, even the congress to steer things offcourse, that would be really serious. >>le he's talking about the far right media, gene. and i don't to want say conservative media, that would be unfair. there is a lot of conservative media out there that represents -- >> right. >> but there is a group that thinks it's all a conspiracy. and any criticism of this administration is a conspiracy, and that this may -- this story
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can keep on going. >> right. and that believes, apparently, that -- that it's going to defend the president by any means necessary, which includes flat out lying. i mean, and that's all -- that's the only word for what you hear sarah sanders do on many days from the white house podium. and you just have to call it what it is. it's not telling the truth. you know, i do think that it's possible that the -- the end that they're seeking is to derail the mueller investigation in some way by trying to train some sort of investigation on the democrats in a way that touches on mueller or that mueller would have to, you know, the head of the fbi then would have to testify or something like that. just to try to derail this investigation. i think this is a serious attempt to pervert justice susceptibly. >> steve, what chance is there of that happening? they're trying to tie mueller to this uranium one matter when hillary clinton was the secretary of state, it's been largely debunked as something that was a conspiracy, but, at what point does the -- are there enough people, enough
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conservatives to go along with it that it could get derailed and mueller could find himself under investigation? >> i think we have to look at the comments by the president yesterday, ali, where he talks about what a joke the american justice system is, he degrades the justice department. it's an assault on the rule of law. at the end of the day, robert mueller is someone who has served this country in uniform, combat marine in vietnam, his integrity has been unquestioned throughout his long public career. this is a deliberate, pretty meditated smear campaign to lay the predicate for the president to order the firing of the special counsel should the investigation move too close. now i do think that there is an hour coming for members of the republican party who are going to have to make a choice. they have been complicit, they have surrendered to this president's dig degradations of this office, the widow of a fallen green beret and 100 other outrages he's committed during
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his short presidency, but the most dangerous may be yet to come. and that would be the attack on the special counsel, the president ordering his firing, and then republicans are going to have to defend the rule of law. which is the bedrock, foundational base upon which our democracy lives. >> and some have come out already and said, lindsey graham said the other day, there'll be holy hell to pay if the president tries to get rid of mueller without cause. we're going to get a quick break, no legislative achievements to speak of and poll numbers historically low, can this president turn things around?
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>> president trump tonight on fox news touting his administration's accomplishments in the first ten months of his presidency. that as he has yet to get any of his signature legislation through congress. >> accomplished much more over the course of the first year. and look, the republicans are
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down to the package. after all of this time, unified government, this is not a massive reform package. it's a massive tax increase for a lot of middle income to upper middle income earners in states like new york, california, new jersey, these high tax states and i think when you look ahead, it's a massive tax increase for a lot of middle income to upper middle income earners in states like new york, california, new jersey, these high tax states and i think when you look ahead, it's inconceivable to me how you could be a member of congress from california or new york or new jersey or connecticut and vote for this.
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and i suspect that these members will not because republican members will not want to impose a massive tax increase on their constituents in those states which is exactly what this bill will do. >> no, that's absolutely right. i think, the assumption that these just sort of sails through -- well, we've seen, you know -- sailing through doesn't seem to work with this president or this congress. it didn't work -- >> even today, christmas gift to america. every time they put a target on something -- >> good luck with that, you know. good luck with that frankly. steve is absolutely right, i don't see how if you're a republican congressman from new jersey, california, new york, from i don't see how you vote for this. for a lot of those people, middle class people in those states, this will be a tax hike. >> it's going to hurt a lot of your constituents and voters, a lot of your donors. >> let me ask you this, steve, it may have been a matter of expectations, bill clinton wanted health care, didn't work. and it looked crippling. in the end, this administration believed with control of both
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houses that they could do big things like tax reform and health care and for whatever reason that hasn't worked, is it worth not resetting priorities, but sitting there and coming up with a bunch of little things that you can get done as opposed to this, they got a supreme court nominee, that was obvious. you know what can be achieved in 2018? >> i think part of the story here ali is the complete and total collapse of rigger in the policy-making process on the republican side. how astounding is it on the health care vote for example -- >> none -- >> that these were voting on something they had no idea what it would cost, how many people it would effect, they had no idea what it would do to insurance markets, none of them could explain it cogently in 30 seconds or 30 minutes. you look at this tax cut proposal, of course it's deficits, debt financed, it adds a trillion and a half dollars to the national debt, something that all of these members have decried over recent years. it hurts middle class folks version, if you have to deduct
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medical expenses or student loan interest, your taxes are going up on this. it's just a small board proposal and i think that's born out of years and years and years of degradation and collapse of the report structures around the republican party and the conservative movement. how it had become the party of ideas. and we have moved 180 degrees from that on a policy level that's mostly nonsense. and this would fall deeply and neatly into that category. >> you wrote an op-ed that both are stuck in crisis. the importance is that the parties have had a moderating influence historically -- >> yes, they would. >> on politics, and with the party's in crisis, there's nobody to reign people in from the extremes. >> there isn't. if you want to look at long ark, the number of independence versus people that have strong party affiliation has been going
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up and up and up over time the parties have become weaker. structures in washington through what's the party's channelled power have become weaker and, you know, just as the tea party sort of came in and fractured the republican party. you look at all the passion on the left now and you wonder if similar sort of thing isn't you have to assume at some point they get their acts together, that's not tomorrow, that's not next week. we're in for a bumpy ride without the parties, it's hard to govern this country. we're in for a bumpy ride without the parties, it's hard to govern this country. >> gentlemen, thank you for your time tonight. eugene and stephen, thank you for coming in.
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we're working to give the american people a giant tax cut for christmas. blah blah blah >> won't be, but that aside, house republicans unveiled a new tax plan. you saw the president praising it there, and as the clock winds down on 2017, the white house and republicans who control the house and the senate are in search of their first legislative win, but is this gop plan one that can pass?
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here with me tonight, robert trainum, former senior advisor on the bush-che anyway campaign and steve kornacki, nbc national political correspondent. steve, politics aside, promises about when things are going to get done has not worked particularly well for this administration or congress. sometimes it doesn't work well at all. it's sort of a thing people try and stay away from. >> i think this is where the urgency really is going to come more from congress, more from the house especially because every single member of the house is up in 2018, they understand that they have not put new achievements on the board this year. they want to have something they could point to to the voters next year. i don't know how valuable, i think they feel it's valuable and that'll give them urgency. and there's an indirect on serns. the interesting thing, it's skewed towards business and the business and corporate side. it's this indirect thing where they see the biggest asset right now is the stock market. notice how he talks -- >> all the time. >> i think they feel that wall street, the business crowd is going to like, it's going to keep the stock moving up, that's going to give them a barometer. >> i love talking about this stuff, particularly about stock market.
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it touches fewer and fewer americans as go on. there are other things americans are rightfully worried about, wages and job. and this is a strange approach. >> it is. let's back up far second. this will pass, the republicans can lose about 20 votes and still get this pass. the question becomes is what happens in the senate. and it's like a totally different bill when and frankly speaking. steve it's right here. at the end of the day it doesn't matter. house republicans can go back and say promises made, promises keep the stock moving up, that's going to give them a barometer. >> i love talking about this stuff, particularly about stock market. it touches fewer and fewer americans as go on. there are other things americans are rightfully worried about, wages and job. and this is a strange approach. >> it is. let's back up far second. this will pass, the republicans can lose about 20 votes and still get this pass. the question becomes is what happens in the senate. and it's like a totally different bill when and frankly speaking. steve it's right here. at the end of the day it doesn't matter. house republicans can go back and say promises made, promises kept, we're keeping your taxes low, we're going to eliminate
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the death tax, that's a buzz thing right there. it may not mean a lot of things to the average person out there, when they hear that, even though it may not mean anything, republicans are fighting for me. >> let's show you a poll that says the democrats are now better trusted to handle taxes than republicans, 43% think the democrats would do still not a majority, but do a better job dealing with taxes versus 36% for republicans. robert, that's got to hurt you in your heart. >> big time. two reasons. i mean, let's just be honest about this. slightly hypocritical here when it comes to this whole deficit spending and the whole nine yards. we as a republican party, this has been our gospel for years, probably since going back to barry goldwater. when you look at the numbers, they don't add up. george h.w. bush said it's called fuzzy math. it is. the reality is that it's ironic that democrats are perceived as more deficit than republicans. something's wrong with that
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picture. >> steve, how do they square this? this is just an ongoing problem for republicans. it's the same problem that sort of sunk them on health care and that is that there isn't one big tenth moderating force republican party out there. >> the interesting thing too again, look -- if the other number you can see on this, you can see how skewed this is towards business and corporate taxes and even among republicans, there is not a huge ground swell of support for if that. they like the idea of tax cuts and polls well with republicans, but the idea of corporate and business tax cuts does not, and i think what that speaks to is you talk about this as sort of goldwater, reagan theme in the republican party, tax cutting. the base of the republican party's changed since reagan. we talked about it a lot last year, the blue collar, non-collared whites, this isn't the same voting base they had in the '50u8, so that message of rahrah business corporate tax rates doesn't have the same effect. >> we're going to fit in a quick break here. the president's getting ready for a ten day, five country trip across asia. will his problems at home follow him on the trip? that when the 11th hour continues.
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north korea is a threat to the entire world. so all nations of the world must do more to counter that threat. that is happening. but the president recognizes that we're running out of time and will ask all nations to do more. >> national security advisor h.r. mcmaster today outlining one of the most challenging tasks that donald trump will face on his upcoming asia trip. he's going to spend ten days traveling five countries spending time in japan, south korea, china, vietnam, and the philippines and it comes at challenging time for this white house. an article titled "leave your troubles behind" the represent represents a break from the indictments of his former campaign aids and isis-inspired terror attack in new york city and the continuing inability of
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this administration to score a significant legitimative victory on capitol hill. back with me, robert and steve. steve, i want to show you a poll that indicates growing number of people are losing confidence in donald trump's ability to handle an international crisis. 39% are very or somewhat confident, 59 are not too or not at all confident. that 39 number, the very and somewhat confident is down from 48% six months ago. >> yeah, i mean, think about what we've seen in those six months. it's a president he breaks with protocol a lot when he's on these trips in a way that causes a lot of commotion. he tweets belligerently, he subscribes to this erratic he seems the more of the advantage that gives him. all of that puts doubt in people's minds, hey, if he's really in a situation where we have to count they are guy, we don't know as americans really what we've got here. >> one of the things, robert, that's interesting is one of the
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first thing that president trump did which he promised is rip up the tpp. when things have gotten hot with south korea, which is an ally and a country we have troops he's reminded them that we have a trade agreement with them that he may want to renegotiate. the hot with south korea and an ally and the troops, we has reminded them that we have a trade agreement with them that he may want to the renegotiate, but there is a reason to take this business trip and a lot of the ceos accompanying him and he may want to get them back online with him. >> yes, the chinese like predictability and all about the pomp and circumstance, and what they will do plet cli speaking is to play to the president's vanity here and they are going to be thinking that the president is the best the thing since sliced bread and what the president needs to get out of the chinese is specifically perhaps not trading with north korea, and cut off north korea and that is from the economic standpoint, it is going to hem usk but the second thing that the president needs to do is to articulate what the trump doctrine is in asia, because everybody is confused and erratic and seems like he is talking off of the cuff which is what you don't want to do with the chinese. so it is military, and
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diplomatic and economic message that he has. >> and the chinese work in five-year increments in the whole plan and their whole plan is long-term thinking, and nothing is off of the cuff ever. >> and the history have been around 2,000 year, and looking at the long haul here, and you to remember that president xi who just won the election and the ninth congress what they want from the president is some type of stability and vision as to what he wants to do, and not om as i said diplomatically but from the trade standpoint and you know this bert than i do, ali, the chinese have the upperhand here, and they know it, because they have a lot of our debt. >> and goods. >> and the question is if the president truly understands. >> maybe he does. and steve, from your perspective and the perspective of the american voter, what is the successful trip going the look like for him? >> from the perspective of the white house, it is to get the attention off of what we are
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talking about domestically and that is the special counsel and robert mueller and thinking of the trip to france a few months ago and that the trip to france came just as his son had taken the meeting with the russians in the 2016 campaign and donald trump found himself over there with macron in france and donald trump certainly likes to get away and likes to change the subject and a chance for him, i think that probably in his mind to show the american people that hey, there is something else go going on besides these things. >> and the success to come back here to sea, you know the made in china on the back of the mug? it is now going to be saying made in america. that is what is success. >> and as you are cropping the tax bill that is usually and historically going to be used on the president to use the bully pulpit to support it, and where we know it is not support, is it good or bad for the prospects of the tax bill that the president is leaving? >> i think it is good. it is good. pulpit to support it, and where we know it is not support, is it good or bad for the prospects of the tax bill that the president is leaving? >> i think it is good. it is good. let me back up, '86 you had ronald reagan and tip o'neill,
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and dan rostenberg, and so i think that it is best for mitch mcconnell and paul ryan to do their things. >> you have kevin brady and mitch mcconnell and paul ryan and all of the leadership for the republicans up there making a case of it and maybe ten days to do their thing might be good for them. >> well, i think that the urgency for this has to come from the kopg, and the leadership has to come from congress to get it through, but i think that donald trump is not really a legislative president, and he is a culture war president and that is where the interest is and it is not to get all of the folks from capitol hill there to hammer it out, and he does not want to be there for that, and he wants to be there for the signing deal. that is it. and put the impetus on them. >> thank you for being with me this evening, steve kornacki and robert traynham. and we will talk about something getting done which is nothing to do with what the president tweeted. we will explain.
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then the president-elect answered that question with what else a tweet. from december 5th, if the press would cover me honorably and accurately, i would have far less reason to tweet, but sadly, i don't know if that will happen. and so as president, he has made the case that he needs twitter to tell the people the real truth. >> and so, twitter definitely skipped a beat when the president's account was suddenly there, gone. none of it. gone. and twitter put out a statement that real donald trump's account
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was inadvertently deactivated due to a human error for the employee and the account has been down for 11:00, and we are continuing to investigate and taking steps from preventing this from happening again. and in the few minutes that trump's account was gone, twitter users had fun. trump's account vanishing and appearing again is best evidence that the events of the past two years are the results of warring sects of time travelers and let's hope it was ab test and rolling out site wide soon. some get 280 and some get zero. and this is from our friend rachel maddow. i don't usually cover the president's tweet, but before air, we learned more about the twitter because the company added this detail. through our investigation, we have found out that it was done by a twitter customer support employee who did it on the em employee's last day, and we are conducting a full internal review. and thank you for joining us
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from our headquarters in new york, i'm ali velshi in for a ailing brian williams. thank you. court documents are riosing new questions. house republicans another long awaited tax bill is top priority for some of the biggest changes and also big political questions. >> and concerns about former trump campaign man paul manafort. remain confined at home. monitoring abilities.

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