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president. katy tur is up next. >> i follow peter on twitter and i recommend it. have a good flight to tokyo. from msnbc headquarters in new york, i'm katy tur. a judge bowe bergdahl will serve no jail time. nbc pentagon correspondent hans nichols and nbc military analyst and retired four-star general barry mccaffrey join us. to hans, tell us what happened in this sentencing. >> bowe bergdahl opted for a trial by a judge not a jury. that judge said he does not have to do any additional time ruling those five years in captivity may have been enough when the taliban held him. we just heard from president trump. he tweeted about this. here is what he said. the decision on sergeant bergdahl is a complete and total disgrace to our country and to
our military. during the campaign, after president obama swapped bergdahl for five taliban prisoners, the president -- excuse me, then-candidate trump talked about potentially executing bergdahl, what would have been done in the good old days and now criticizing this decision. bergdahl's rank was reduced all the way to the lowest rank possible. that's e-1, a private. he will have to for fit $1,000 for a ten-month period for every month he's paid in that period. unclear what happens if he's discharged and no longer paid. he also will not receive any military benefits. that includes veterans haesealt care but does not receive any time in jail. >> i remember the first time donald trump called for bowe bergdahl to be exed. i believe -- the first time i remember it was in keen, new hampshire. you don't have to wonder why he didn't want a trial by jury. after all that and why he wanted a military judge.
general mccaffrey, the president said he should be executed. called him a dirty, rotten traitor. the army seemed to be struggling with how to deal with this case. does this sentencing surprise you at all? >> i think it's a perfect outcome. i think what most combat soldiers wanted to see was a dishonorable discharge so he didn't benefit from his misbehavior in front of the enemy. we can't allow in combat an infantry unit soldier to abandon your buddies in the face of the enemy. so good outcome. no doubt in my mind bergdahl would have traded 15 years confinement at ft. leavenworth for the horror he went through five years of the taliban. it's a good outcome. that judge wasn't going to pay any attention to what the president said -- >> you don't think he should have been executed, as the president says? >> oh, my gosh, that's ridiculous. >> what do you think of the
commander in chief saying that about an american soldier? >> well, it's beyond inappropriate. if any general officer in the uniform code of military justice chain of command made that statement, we would have fired him on the spot. i honestly think the judge and if there would have been a jury, they wouldn't have paid any attention to it at all. again, i think the central problem to poor mr. bergdahl was that he was probably never should have been in the armed forces. the coast guard promptly let him go because of psychiatric problems of some sort. his actions desserting his post would have probably resulted in an death nine out of ten times at hands of the taliban. he's just a poor figure. this is a good outcome. let him get back to civilian life. but not benefit from his
egregious misbehavior in combat. >> a reminder he was captured by the taliban and tortured by the taliban for many years. hans nichols, general barry mccaffrey, thank you very much. now to president trump jetting half a world away for his asia trip, yet unable to leave his russia problems behind. >> mr. president, do you remember george papadopoulos during that march meeting? >> i don't remember much about that meeting. it was a very unimportant meeting. took place a long time. don't remember much about it. >> trump says he does not remember the meeting of this picture in march 31st. trump told me he has the world's greatest memory. apparently not here. nor potential conflicts with russian officials. also in the picture is george papadopoulos who told the special counsel otherwise. papadopoulos attended a national security meeting in washington, d.c., with then-candidate trump.
when defendant papadopoulos introduced himself to the group, he stated in sum and substance that he had connections that could help arrange a meeting between then-candidate trump and president putin. according to a meeting participant, whose account was confirmed by nbc news, mr. trump listened with interest. jeff sessions was also in that meeting. his memory is also under question after repeated denials to congress about exactly these kind of campaign discussions. in fact, according to the first-person account, sessions, quote, vehemently opposed the idea. let's bring in white house correspondent kristen welker and nbc carol lee. kristen, that was you speaking with the president this morning. he said he doesn't remember that meeting but he does remember that that meeting was not important. >> reporter: yeah, it's a tough needle to thread. look, as you have been
discussing, it seems like the president, jeff sessions, don't remember a whole lot about these meetings, particularly when it comes to russia. the challenge for the president is that he has been asked about this publicly before and he's given a very different message. in february he was pressed over and over again about whether he was aware of anyone in his campaign having any contact with russian officials. take a look at that exchange. >> can you say whether you are aware that anyone who advised your campaign had contacts with russia during the course of the election? >> well, i told you, general flynn, obviously, was dealing, so that's one person, but he was dealing, as he should have been -- >> during the election? >> no, no, nobody that i know of. i have nothing to do with russia. to the best of my knowledge, no person that i deal with does. >> reporter: katy, the president's tactic today was try to shift the focus away from this discussion of russia. he again said, look, the bottom line is there was no collusion. he tried to put the focus on
hillary clinton. again, alleging that she engaged in behavior that was inappropriate, she rigged the election in the wake of donna brazile who raised ethical questions about the clinton campaign. he is again calling on the attorney general to investigate -- he was asked today if he plans to fire attorney general jeff sessions if that doesn't happen. he wouldn't go that far, but he's pretty clear he's disappointed in the doj. he said, i think a lot of people are. that's his tactic as he prepares to go overseas on this 12-day trip to asia. he'll try to keep the narrative focused on foreign policy. >> in a radio interview he said he was frustrated, he can't get involved in the fbi or doj and maybe at some point down the line they'll have to have it out. don't know what that means but we'll play that sound for our viewers in a little while. carol, jeff sessions is coming under more scrutiny, not only
from the president, who seems to be hitting him and seems to be very frustrated with him, but also because he has had some questionable slips of memory. yet again having to go on the record to correct the record yet again having to do with what sound bites -- excuse me, what conversations he may have had during the campaign. let's first hear what he previously had said. listen. >> i'm not supposed to be doing the kind of things i would love to be doing. i'm very frustrated by that. >> i'm sorry. that's not -- that's not the right sound bite. that was president trump. here's sessions. >> if there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the trump campaign communicated with the russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do? >> senator franken, i'm not aware of any of those activities. i have never met with or had any
conversation with any russians or any foreign officials concerning any type of interference with any campaign or election in the united states. further, i have no knowledge of any such conversations by anyone connected to the trump campaign. >> you don't believe that surrogates from the trump campaign had communications with the russians, is that what you're saying? >> i did not and i'm not aware of anyone else that did. >> so, he's pretty clear that he doesn't believe anyone in the campaign had any sorts of discussions like this. carol, what is the trouble with just coming out and saying, we have an adviser -- low-level adviser talk about this, someone only loosely connected with the campaign. i personally, jeff sessions, i shot it down immediately because i knew it wasn't appropriate. >> that's the question about -- that everybody wants answered is why jeff sessions isn't just coming out and saying something like that. you know, if you talk to people
around him, the argument is he just doesn't recall. yet they're also saying he did shut down papadopoulos in this meeting when he raised the prospect of setting up a meeting between now president trump and president putin of russia. look, jeff sessions is in a very particularly bad spot now after -- you have all of the tape, which you just rolled. then you have these facts listed in the court documents that -- papadopoulos cites e-mails for papadopoulos about this meeting. and then you have him with -- on the other end of, you know, pennsylvania avenue with the white house. the white house daisht president being very frustrated with him so he's stuck in the middle a little bit. what you're seeing now is increased pressure for him to come back to congress and talk about this. you know, whether or not he'll do that, we don't know. if you remember, the most recent hearing he had, it was not about russia. it was just there are pro forma
type hearings that he's accountedable to congress. he may come back for one of those. there's increasing demand for him to come back and clarify these statements. as people -- you know, they aren't saying very much on the record about this at this time. but so far we haven't seen a real push, particularly among republicans, for jeff sessions to be pushed out. >> it's interesting you're not hearing that either from the democrats either, at least as of now because i would assume the question is, who could possibly replace jeff sessions? who would donald trump nominate? that person would not be -- would not have to recuse themselves from the russia investigation. and they could go as far as deciding the special counsel was not necessary any longer. it's a very delicate balance that people on congress are trying to find with that at the very least, as of now. kristen welker, carol lee, ladies, thank you very much for joining us. >> thanks.
matt miller and nick are joining us. nick, the white house and the president seem to be pretty frustrated with all of this. they are denying they're angry, the president is denying he's angry but he's admitting himself that he wants to be more involved with the fbi and the doj. we played that sound bite a second ago. i think we should play it again. the president frustrated that he himself, the commander in chief, who's not supposed to have any contact with niece two administrations, he himself wants to be the one in charge of this. let's listen. >> i'm not supposed to be doing the kinds of things i would love to be doing and i'm very frustrated by it. >> it goes on a little longer than that. he's frustrated that he can't be involved in the doj. frustrated he can't be involved in the fib. he says he might have it out with them later on. for those of us -- for those out there who might say, why can't the president be involved in
these two -- these two departments? after all, he is the head of the country? >> well, it's very important that the investigative and law enforcement function be separated from the political function. and the president really represents a good part of the political function, even though he's the head of the executive branch. so you want a certain independence. people have to know when someone is being investigated for a federal crime in this kurngts it's above politics. it has nothing to do with politics. it's based purely on the facts. let the chips fall where they may. whatever the evidence shows is where we want the grand juries to go and the prosecutors to go. >> let's remember, this is a federal investigation. yes, there are charges of money laundering that have now hit donald trump's campaign chairman and his deputy.
but it's also a larger investigation into election tampering, into a foreign government tampering or at least attempting to tamper with our election, something that could plague us for many years to come and probably will. when you see somebody like jeff sessions, the chief law enforcement officer of the land and it appears he may not have just misled congress once or twice, does that mean that jeff sessions is in a lot of big trouble. if he's not in a lot of big trouble, that it will take him off capitol hill, what are lawmakers hoping to get from this? >> well, i think lawmakers ought to insist he come back up and clarify his testimony. as you point out, he's now a repeat offender. he's not just any witness before congress. he's the nation's chief law enforcement officer. he heads a department that every week is indicting people, prosecuting people for lying in
court, lying to fbi agents. for the to have any credibility at all, the attorney general himself has to set that example. >> chuck schumer last night talked about perjury on msnbc. he said its going to be looked at, the standard, does it meet the standard of perjury, nick? >> i think it's getting pretty close. perjury is always a tough crime to convict somebody of because you have to get in their mind and understand they have lied. but here jeff sessions outright stated that he was unaware of anyone in the campaign meeting with the russians, he had not met with any russians when, in fact, we know he met with kislyak three times, the russian ambassador, and we know from what papadopoulos is saying, that he knows that papadopoulos was involved trying to arrange a meeting between donald trump and putin. and who knows what else was said at that meeting? keep in mind that that proffer
that was put before the judge, is very sketched out. it's not a detailed recitation nor does it purport to be a detailed recitation of everything that occurred at that meeting and what he knows. >> so, matt, if jeff sessions has to resign because of these lapses of memory, just say worst case scenario for jeff sessions, he has to resign, what's the concern about who might replace him? >> obviously the concern would be that someone like a rudy giuliani, chris christie, someone who has shown themselves to be an absolute todayy for the president, but you have to ask the senate to do their job. as serious as concerns are about sessions' inability to tell the truth when he goes up to the congress, the thing i hear when i talk to career people at doj, they have real concerns about him not standing up to the president. the president's attacks on doj, that's not the first time he's done this. he started in the transition and it was intense over the summer when he was saying he was disappointed that the department
wouldn't prosecute clinton. an attack he's now returned to. we never hear anything from jeff sessions or his deputy rod rosenstein defending the department's independence. they never come out and say this is wrong for the president to do. he needs to back off. if the attorney general isn't willing to say that publicly, you have to wonder, does he eventually cave to this intense pressure the president is putting him under and make prosecutorial decisions that are not appropriate law enforcement calls. that's the danger. if he cannot meet that standard of independence, he ought to go. the president can find someone else and the senate can do their job and make sure they only will confirm someone who can be independent as they're supposed to be. >> matt miller, nick ackerman, thank you. the former chair of the democratic national committee is accusing hillary clinton of exerting massive control over the dnc. did that tilt the nomination, though, in hillary clinton's direction? clinton's former director of strategic communications joins me to respond. later, isis is now claiming
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brazile. she writes, she resolved the party's debt. it had become dependent on her campaign for survival for which she expected to wield control of its operations. during the primary campaign, many bernie sanders supporters claimed the system was rigged in favor of hillary clinton. let's bring in adrian elrod, former director of strategic communications for the 2016 clinton campaign. nice to see you. >> you, too. >> what if bernie sanders supporters say, hey, this is evidence it was rigged. what do you say to that? >> first of all, when secretary clinton decided to run for president, she wanted to rebuild the party. the party was in shambles. it was in absolute debt. she needed whomer the nominee was going into the general election needed a strong, robust democratic party in place. she was very dedicated to raisesing money for the party. secondly, senator sanders and secretary clinton's campaign signed the same jfa. secretary clinton chose to raise
money as part of that agreement, senator sanders did not, which is completely fine. >> the sanders campaign says they would not have been able to raise the amount of money hillary clinton was able to raise because of her relationship with those big spenders so the jaf wasn't going to benefit them and the party in the way hillary clinton would be able to do that. >> that's his own prerogative but i will say secretary clinton wanted to see a strong democratic party in place. she wanted to utilize her donors to raise money for the party because we had a strong party going into the general election. unfortunately, we did not win but we had a strong party in place. >> i understand if she wanted to have a strong party in place. i think that's perfectly reasonable desire. what donna brazile is claiming is not only did she want a strong party in place, but in return for that, that she was going to be in charge of everything, in charge of communications, of how they
spent their money. as someone who was not the nominee at the time, do you feel that is an appropriate amount of power for hillary clinton to have been demanding of a party that had not yet nominated her? >> it's simply not true. the washington post reported last night that part of the discussion that the dnc had with both campaigns during the primary is if you raise enough money to cover the cost of the voter file, you'll have influence over the way the money is spent in the general election. that is what we did. we raised more money than -- we raised a lot of money. bernie sanders didn't raise any. again, that is fine. this is an agreechlt made with the dnc to both the sanders campaign and the clinton campaign. >> debbie wasserman schultz, former dnc said, sent out a statement in response to donna brazile and says, i'm proud of the work our team did to support the democrats up and down the
ballot in the 2016 election and to re-elect the president in 201. our values and democracy and remain united towards our goal of elects democratic congressional majorities in 2018. so, wasserman schultz here is not directly refuting donna brazile's claim. can you say without ais shadow a doubt that hillary clinton wasn't demanding more control over the party for her fund-raising efforts? >> no. congresswoman wasserman schultz is exactly right. we have major elections coming up. we have a virginia's governor race on tuesday, which by the way i'll be knocking on doors this weekend with many of my former clinton colleagues in virginia. look, we do have a lot of work to do. congresswoman schultz, it's very clear we did not have a very
strong party going before we went into the 2016 elections. we didn't have basically any money. the democratic party was not able to make its payroll. secretary clinton- the clintons have made it clear for years they want a strong party. they've been raising money for years. secretary clinton and the president clinton have been raising money for the democratic party well before she decided to run for president. again, for her going into this campaign, she did everything to ensure the democratic party was in place. >> i hear that. are you saying that donna brazile is lying when she says that hillary clinton demanded control over who did communications, that hillary clinton demanded control over how the money was spent? >> i think if she's implying that that took place during the primary, absolutely. did we have control of the party in the general, absolutely. that's what happens when you become the nominee of your party. >> thank you very much for joining us. always great to see you. >> thanks, katy, you too. new details appear to show
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when he rammed them down with their rental truck. pete williams joins me now. pete, we're learning more about how this suspect was radicalized. what do we know? >> well, i think the big question right now is the pressing question for investigators is, was he in contact with other people who encouraged him or directed him or egged him on because they're really making a vast use of the cell phones he left behind. they've been able to use those to look at all messages and phone calls he's made in the days, really the hours, days and weeks leading up to this. that has given them dozens of leads to check out. they want to know all the people that he talked to, did they have any idea of what he was doing, did they help him in any way, are they people we should be concerned about. that's the bushing question, the most pressing question for investigators to know who he was in touch with. they're talking to many of those
people now and some of those people are his relatives. some of those people are folks that he -- fellow truck drivers, people he knew. some of that contact is undoubtedly innocent but they want to make sure they run all of those leads down. that's a very urgent priority for the fbi right now. >> do we know if he traveled overseas at all? >> we don't. that's something they're looking at. frankly, i've heard conflicting things on that. we know he came into the country in march of 2010. the question is, between then and now did he ever go back to see relatives in uzbekistan or did he go somewhere else that might have exposed him to terror groups with training or propaganda or was that a factor in his radicalization. as far as i know, there's no confirmed travel overseas but i know they're still trying to run that down. >> what's the difference for investigators if he was radicalized directly by isis leaders or by members of isis in a foreign country or just being
radicalized here at home? >> well, in terms of the prosecution of the case, nothing. but, obviously, every time something like this happens, the investigators, the whole country really wants to know, well, what led up to this because are lessons to be learned there, channels to be shut down, you know, potentially if there was people overseas involved in this attack, the government could reach out and try to arrest and prosecute them as well. in terms of prosecuting him, the case against him, it's not a big issue. and i should say, by the way, that you mentioned isis has claimed credit for this. this is a departure from the normal isis practice. they don't usually claim credit for an attack when it doesn't end in the get of an attacker. when someone is arrested, they usually don't say anything. >> pete williams, thank you very much. >> you bet. senator elizabeth warren reacts to claims the dnc was fixed in favor of hillary clinton during the 2016 primary. what does she think?
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further. >> do you think, though, that what we're learning from donna brazile's book suggests that the campaign, what the democratic national committee did, meant this election was rigged? >> i think it was. . >> that's a pretty powerful charge. >> well, what we have to focus on now as democrats is we recognize the process was rigged and now it is up to democrats to build a new process. >> let's bring in washington post opinion writer dana milbank and charlie sykes, conservative commentator and msnbc contributor. that was pretty surprising for elizabeth warren to go that far. bernie sanders hasn't gone that far. >> it was pretty incredible. earlier this week, before all this happened, i was noting that it's been a century or so such comedian will rogers says i don't belong to any organized political party, i'm a democrat. and here they go again.
you would think that this would be a terrific time to be a democrat. we've got the two indictments, the guilty plea, donald trump hit 33% in the gallup poll, all kinds of divisions on the tax plan. so, what do democrats do? they decide to launch their own civil war. and that's what they've been doing. tom stier has been doing it, bernie sanders with universal health care. the question of that is a litmus test, as many of his advisers are trying to make it and now we have the donna brazile and elizabeth warren teeing off here. and they've done exactly what donald trump wanted, they changed the subject. >> donald trump has been tweeting about it. he's repurposing or bringing back, i should say, his nickname for senator warren saying pocahontas just stated that the democrats led by the legendary crooked hillary clinton rigged the primaries. let's go fbi and justice
departments. senator warren not one to shy away tweeted right back. you might think your tweets are cute, real donald trump but they won't stop mueller's investigation or keep your people out of jail. elizabeth warren stands to gain a lot by getting more attention in that way and coming out strongly against the party's structure, but also coming out strongly against the president. dana, why would she stand to benefit so much from that? >> look, the democrats are leaderless and rudderless. they need a leader to stand up. elizabeth warren is getting attention for this. donna brazile is getting attention and perhaps money in the form of a book. the problem is it's playing into the other side's hands. they're all about, you know, everybody wants to be talking about impeaching the president. guess how you impeach the president? you gain control of the u.s. house of representatives. the problem is when you're fighting among yourselves, you're not dedicating yourself to that task. and, you know, they fundamentally have taken their eyes off the ball as they have
time and again. >> is this really just a gift for the president in order to deflect, to change the topic, to find a way to rally his supporters around him and against the dnc and against his best enemy, which is hillary clinton? >> absolutely. if hillary clinton's campaign did not exist, he would have to invent them. >> he'd have the media to go after just alone, i guess. >> i would recommend that they go back and read dana milbank's column earlier. you think about the timing of this. after these indictments, the day after the republicans roll out their tax bill, the weekend before crucial elections in virginia, what are democrats doing? their forming the circular firing squad. they're not only continuing to relitigate the clinton/trump election without learn, the lessons, but now they're going
into the clinton/bernie civil war. it is an extraordinary moment and a significant gift to president trump at this moment. >> it's in the past. her campaign hasn't been a campaign for a year, charlie, for a year. >> but he's living it. >> he's living it. also the democrats are still finding it to be potentially problematic. there are questions now about what this is not only going to do to the dnc currently and tom perez but what this could do to the virginia race and how it could potentially negatively affect ralph northum, who's running for governor there. we'll have him on at 2:00. charlie, how do you think that could throw a wrench in the process? >> i don't know about next tuesday but it's certainly going to throw a wrench in the process for 2018 and 2020. we're reminded, what a complete mess. i want to say cluster something, the dnc has been. when you think about it, first of all, what we're learning
about, how broke the democratic national committee was after eight years of being in power. it kind of reminds you of the way the democrats are in disarray, not to mention, they are leaderless but also they have not come come up with coherent, sellable ideas going into this other than we are against donald trump. that may be enough in 2018, but you're really, again, exposing the fact that the democrats have not really recovered from what happened to them in 2016. i don't think they're asking necessarily the right questions of themselves. >> let's remind ourselves that there was a book by one of our friends about the republicans called "the wilderness," supposedly this idea the republicans had nowhere to go after 2012. and look what happened in 2016. so, it is too soon to make too many predictions for 2020. dana, really quickly, people at home who might be saying, how dare -- how sdar we be talking about the democrats. this is all about donald trump,
about russia, we're not talk enough about this, we shouldn't be piling onto the democratic problems. this just feeds into donald trump's narrative. what's the response? >> the response is the democrats invited this when you have the chairwoman introducing the topic and elizabeth warren re-emphasizing it with even more inflammatory language. yes, the process was rigged in a sense the party establishment wanted hillary clinton and the dnc is the democratic establishment. how are we not going to talk about it? >> bernie sanders wasn't a democrat, technically. he was one, running as a democrat, but he wasn't really a democrat. dana milbank, charlie sykes, thank you very much. >> thanks, katy. new allegations of misconduct taking a different turn by actor kevin spacey on the set of the hit series "house of cards." we'll tell you why many on the show says the atmosphere on the set was toxic. i can't wait for her to have that college experience that i had.
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they have been sexually harassed by other members of congress. they say most of the incidents occurred years ago when they were newcomers to the hill. in one instance, republican congresswoman mary on the house floor telling her he had been thinking about her in the shower. they said he still serves in congress. new allegations against oscar winner kevin spacey and harvey weinste weinstein. kate, i understand you have new reporting about kevin spacey. >> we have a little bit of our own reporting, we were able to talk to one former staffer who worked on that set who says, yes, there was essentially a toxic atmosphere that she knew of complaints against kevin spacey in recent years. in addition we have eight
talking to anonymously to cnn and saying the same, particularly younger males, one made a further allegation against spacey. spacey has had no comment. last night his publicist and agent quit and said we're not representing you anymore now we're reaching out to his attorney. we have not heard anything back. we did get the statement from the company that produces "house of cards", we're deeply troubled to the new allegations that being made to the press, create ag safe working environment for our cast and crew has always been our top priority and netflix, they said they were just made aware of one incident five years ago onset also that we were informed was resolved swiftly. we continue to collaborate with mrc and others to maintain a safe reand respectful working
environment. they were in the middle of shooting season six and that's been suspended. >> harvey weinstein, where do we stand with the investigations into him? >> that's interesting. there's a new accuser, we're up to 87 by our count at nbc. new accuser today saying in 2011 -- >> from "boardwalk empire." she says weinstein raped her twice. she went to the police here in new york. her lawyer spoke with me and said it's a compelling criminal case and he believes the da may file charges. now the zae's office will only say a senior sex crimes prosecutor has been assigned and looking into all of this and working with nypd. also verifies that they have been investigating. >> this isn't just hollywood. this permeates almost every industry there is and now gone to capitol hill. reed, linda sanchez says a male
touched her inapproachly and made it look like an accident. she said the problem is as a member there's no hr department. you can go to. there's nobody you can turn to, ultimately, they are employed by their constituents. >> we're hearing the same excuse from everybody, i couldn't come forward because i didn't think anything would get done. i thought i would maybe have a negative reaction against me and in this case, she's right, it's not like you can go to someone high up and say, hey, there's a problem here on pt house floor and they are going to fix it. it's got to go to the voters. katie, this is a problem. i spent the last couple of weeks talking to state legislators in capitols across the country and heard a lot of what linda sanchez said, there's no hr department. the speaker of a statehouse or u.s. house of representatives can't go in and discipline or fire a member of congress because he's not their boss.
he's not -- he doesn't have any power or thought over them in a lot of state legislators there are aren't guidelines that detail how to handle sexual harassment charges or where a victim of harass. would go to report any of this that could be made public. >> if she's saying ultimately his constituents and voters and not naming him, not even giving them an opportunity to potentially take him out of office. why would you not name -- especially in this climate when we have so many feeling consequences, why not name them? >> this is a pervasive feeling and fear among a lot of women who were harassed, what good does it do them especially if they are a staffer or lobbyist talking to whether it's a member of congress or state legislat e legislature, even if you're a fellow member of congress, you worry about retaliation and whether it's your bills you need to get passed or your career prospects going forward.
with no clear outlet for anything to actually be done about this, what's the recourse? what's the benefit in making something like this public? that's what a lot of women around the country told me they felt and feared about coming forward from with these allegations. >> kate? >> same reason the women -- men rather on house of cards are not saying these things out loud. there's a fear there. there was an interesting piece on our site called think, arguing whether it's enough to just fire individual men and companies -- not congress, that's impossible but at companies you could fire men. is that good enough or did we need a systemic change this was the article written, usually a system of systemic rot, but a culture more likely to retain abusive men -- >> let's also not forget,
especially with capitol hill, the president himself is still facing a number of allegations of sexual harassment unresolved to this day. he promised to sue the woman that accused him during the campaign on day one he got into office, he still has not done so. those -- there's a lawsuit that is still ongoing where she wants to do discovery. we'll find out if anything comes of that. but there's a feeling that there's a lot of consequences out there. for some reason donald trump is sort of swinging in the wind. >> weren't we in a moment right now? i've been covering the harvey weinstein story that became a story about bill o'reilly and story about this man and that man, powerful men coming under fire in many industries across industries right now and i think that does say something about maybe the younger generation saying we're not going to take this anymore. >> kate snow, good to see you.
>> reid wilson, thanks you very much. >> you got it. >> coming up, allegations of democrats rigging their 2016 primary comes days ahead of the virginia gubernatorial race. we'll talk with lieutenant governor ralph northam in the next hour. stick with us. so that's the idea. what do you think? hate to play devil's advocate but... i kind of feel like it's a game changer. i wouldn't go that far. are you there? he's probably on mute. yeah... gary won't like it. why? because he's gary. (phone ringing)
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