tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC November 3, 2017 10:00pm-11:00pm PDT
here comes lawrence and plan ahead for tuesday night. special live election night coverage all night tuesday night right here. you need to cancel whatever else you were planning on doing it. we'll see you on monday. now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening. >> good evening. friday night, of course, there's breaking russia news. this time starring carter page. >> well, starring carter page notifying the trump campaign of something they have up and down denied ever knowing about. >> yes, exactly. >> a big deal. >> he's always side stepped and said did you meet with, did you talk with government officials, russian government officials? he never gave any kind of clean answer to that but i guess seven hours under oath to the house intelligence committee might change things. >> not telling the truth to jerks like us is one thing. not telling the truth about that under oath or to federal investigators, that's, you know, that's a different matter. >> rachel, i know you have to run out of the building because
it's friday night an 10:15 friday night you are deep in new york night life i know and i got to let you go. but, this is a special russian night for the last word because we have coming up in the show vladimir putin's worst nightmare. pussy riot is here. >> oh my god. >> in new york live in studio. >> what? >> here tonight. >> what? are you serious? >> yes. say hello before you leave the building. >> okay. >> right there. down on your floor. >> bye! i'll be right there. >> bye, rachel. the president of the united states has reopened his public battle with the department of justice. he objects to the department of justice pursuing justice. instead of pursuing donald trump's grudge matches with hillary clinton who got got 3 million more votes than donald trump did in the election and also tonight john kelly is on his way out of the country stopping in hawaii on his way to an asian trip with the president who must be so very proud of john kelly for doing what donald
trump would do if he was caught telling a stream of angry lies about a black member of congress. john kelly completed two full weeks now of refusing to apologize to congresswoman wilson after the proof he lied about her was revealed on videotape two weeks ago. now when you find yourself in a test of character, no matter how big or small, and you choose to do exactly what donald trump would do, you are living in a very dark place and you are not the adult in any room. turns out the only adult in the room in the trump white house is special prosecutor robert mueller who's haunting every room of that white house now. >> a lot of people are disappointed in the justice department, including me. >> sessions is now the guy who may implicate him in a very dire way in the actual russia investigation.
>> what you are seeing here is a test of whether authoritarian can survive in the united states. >> we never hear anything from jeff sessions or rod rosenstein defending the department's independence. you have to wonder does he eventually cave to this intense pressure of the president putting him under. >> for someone who's boasted about how great his memory is, there's a whole lot of amnesia going on when it comes to the trump campaign and the meetings with russians. >> i don't remember much about that meeting. it was a very unimportant meeting. took place a long time. yoent remember much about it. >> one of the great memories of all time. >> every time people ask about it, the stories change. >> i'm going to vietnam. so donald trump is finally going to vietnam. i hope that that bone spur that kept him out of vietnam and out of the u.s. military during the vietnam war doesn't act up on him when he's in vietnam. maybe he can take a tour of the prison museum in hanoi and imagine what it was like for ym
to be a prisoner of war there for 5 1/2 years and maybe then donald trump will apologize for this. >> he's not a war hero. >> he's a war hero. >> he is a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured, okay? i hate to tell you. >> nah. like john kelly, donald trump is never going to apologize. donald trump's never going to apologize for saying not just the worst thing i have ever heard anyone say about an american prisoner of war, but the only bad thing i've ever heard anyone say about an american prisoner of war. american prisoners of war really are sacred as john kelly would say and isn't that curious that john kelly did not demand an apology from donald trump for insulting an american prisoner of war before john kelly agrees to go to work for donald trump and support everything donald trump does and says every day of donald trump's life. in my lifetime, i have heard
exactly one person insult exactly one american prisoner of war. one. donald trump attacks people and things when he is afraid. donald trump is attacking the department of justice tonight as if he was a drug kingpin under constant surveillance and investigation by the fbi and the justice department prosecutors. instead of the president of the united states who appointed the head of the justice department, attorney general jeff sessions. donald trump's history tells us very clearly that he launches these public attacks that seem to come out of the blue when he is worried, when he is afraid, feels threatened by whoever he is attacking. he will for the rest of his life be haunted and threatened by the simple fact that 3 million more americans voted for hillary clinton for president than donald trump and he is attacking hillary clinton for the rest of his life including demanding that she be investigated. but donald trump who attacks hillary clinton is the childish and nasty sore loser donald trump, the donald trump attacking the department of
justice is the constitutional crisis dlmp. we have never seen this before a. president publicly attacking his own department of justice. we do not know what president trump is capable of doing or trying to do to the department of justice to stop it from pursuing justice in the russia investigation and we do not know what the other branches of government, the congressional and the judicial branch, might do or might be able to do in reaction to an executive branch out of control if the president tries to interfere with that simple one-word mission of the department of justice. which is, of course, justice. we will study this conflict in detail tonight. the first question that must be asked about this conflict between the president and the department of justice is very simple. do you believe donald trump? polls show that most people don't believe donald trump.
donald trump knows that most people don't believe him. he has known all of his life that most people don't believe him most of the time and that is why he constantly says, believe me. says it all time. it is a habitual verbal tick of his. a desperate plea to be believed when he knows he shouldn't be believed. believe me. liars like donald trump know better than anyone that they should not be believed. that they should not actually say those words. believe me. and they have a very high level of anxiety that you do not believe them and that anxiety produces the repeetded, uncontrollable eruptions of believe me in the middle of a string of lies. several weeks ago i asked the staff to do a google search and all other resources we could bring to it to find how many times president barack obama publicly said believe me and i invite you all to do this tonight. we need your help. because we could not find one. we found zero.
none. in an eight-year presidency and presidential campaigns, barack obama never felt the need to say, believe me. he never felt the need to beg that you believe him. in the 200-year history of this program, i have never said, believe me, when i am trying to convince you to see something i see it. instead bring in whatever facts and perspectives and sometimes emotions that might get you to see it my way but i do not beg you to believe me. i do not say believe me. believe me is a liar's tell. everyone knows it. whenever you're in a car dealership and the salesman says, believe me, whatever he's saying after believe me is not true. believe me, i'm losing money on the car selling it to you at this price. every time you hear that, you know that's a lie. if you believe that, you just might be one of the minority of americans who believe donald trump.
>> i am truly not involved at any form of collusion with russia. believe me. >> donald trump usually puts the believe me right there, right after a big lie. i'm not saying that he was lying right there. i don't know that. i'm just saying that he does have a pattern. and he's usually lying in whatever words he's saying that ramp into one of those desperate believe mes at the end and that same interview with sheryl atkinson that will be shown in the entirety on sunday, and the president insisted he is not under investigation but this time he didn't use the old device of james comey told me i'm not because he knows that time's run out on that one since he fired james comey in may and to accept that donald trump is not under investigation now by a special prosecutor who is investigating everyone from donald trump's campaign chairman who is now indicted to a mid level foreign adviser who secretly pleaded guilty weeks
ago, you have to just believe donald trump. >> have you been told to expect to be questioned by the special counsel? >> no. nobody's told me. as far as i'm concerned i have been told we're under investigation. i'm not under investigation. >> okay. so that's settled. donald trump is not under investigation. only if you believe donald trump. it's every man for himself in trump world. that's not me saying that. that is what one unnamed source who's under investigation by the special prosecutor told cbs news today. it's every man for himself, the source also added i do believe the russians interfered or tried to interfere. he said. but he pointed to others associated with the campaign. i don't know what they were doing and whatever those people did that's on them. joining us now, ej dion for "the washington post" and political analyst, co-author of one nation after trump. also with us, daniel dale,
washington correspondent for toronto star an here in new york, nick ackerman, former federal prosecutor and assistant special watergate prosecutor, a msnbc contributor. nick, there's the president saying, i'm not under investigation. and, of course, believe me. but, i see his campaign chairman indicted. i see a mid level staffer who's there in pictures with donald trump indicted. and self convicted with a guilty plea. is it conceivable -- look, the special prosecutor is doing all of this and just not looking across that line to donald trump? >> oh, i think it's inconceivable. i think this whole thing is heading directly towards donald trump. i mean, you've got two shots over the bow here. one, you've got did campaign manager and everything about that indictment screams out russia, connection to russia, connection to all of the various people around putin. and then, you've got papadopoulos who is all part of the collusion. it fits in with what happened
june 9th at the trump tower meeting and this is the tip of the iceberg. this is how a normal investigation starts. papadopoulos is not going to be the first person to come in and sing like a canary. you're going to see a whole series of other people, people's names that are not household names. name that is we don't recognize. that are going to be coming forward in the course of this. people who are going to be indicted additionally to the first one with manafort and his sidekick. you will see a series of indictments and a whole series of other people throwing in the towel and telling the truth as to what happened. >> and, ej, we are seeing stories change along the way over the weeks and the months. carter page's story kind of changes dramatically tonight in this new report and the president lashing out and lashing out at the justice department. that usually if we follow his pattern of lashing out in the past, that usually means there's something he's worried about. >> right. i think there are two scientific
rules in this inquiry. rule one is what you just said. whenever he's attacking the justice department he's in a lot of trouble. and scientific rule two is, you can determine the depth of that trouble by how often he says the words hillary clinton. and we have had a cascade of attacks on hillary clinton over the last week. and it is a classic trump technique which is he doesn't really know how to win on his own. he wins. he can only win by attacking some adversary. he can live without friends but not without enemies. and i agree that this investigation is moving in a way that's very dangerous because robert mueller's running this like a mob investigation which is appropriate where money and power are concerned. and he is really looking into the money involved in the trump empire and that's i think what
trump is most afraid of. and i think that's where this -- part of where this investigation is going to end up. >> let's look at the president this morning when he was asked about his memory of that meeting with george papadopoulos. >> mr. president, do you remember george papadopoulos during that march meeting? floating the idea of meeting with putin? >> i don't remember much about that meeting. it was a very unimportant meeting. don't remember much about it. >> daniel dale, he is in a bind having claimed to have a perfect memory and why his version of the phone call, condolence phone call to sergeant la david johnson's widow is accurate and her memory is inaccurate. he doesn't have that memory today but in a photograph with papadopoulos in that meeting so he couldn't completely deny knowledge of it. >> he couldn't. i think we have learned over the
past couple of years that donald trump will say whatever he needs to say to get out of a jam in that given moment. no matter what he has said ten minutes prior or a day prior or what he'll say ten minutes in the future. we have an amazing moment in the latest sbr view on fox decried the false reporting that he's been angry about things. that was his quote. it's false i've been angry about things literally under ten second later he said i have a certain anger about the media so he doesn't -- he lives his life and makes public statements and doesn't show he's given them a lot of thought an think of him as a strategist attacking the justice department, for example. think that he's playing a sort of chess of an institution that challenges him and i think it's pure impulse. scrambling without thinking of what the impact will be on him in the days and weeks to come. >> nick, we have a report tonight of "the washington post" that keith shiller will speak to
house intelligence committee investigators and long time trump bodyguard and predates the campaign by many, many years. they intend to ask him about some of the allegations in the russian dossier and ask him about donald trump's personal behavior in moscow in 2013. and it seem that is that would be territory that the special prosecutor would want to go over with keith shiller, also. and keith shiller knows more about what donald trump has done in his personal life in the last 15 years or so than anyone alive including probably anyone who's ever been married to donald trump. >> i totally agree. this is, again, the same analogy that was brought up about the mob investigation. i mean, if i were looking to find out what the boss was doing, who the boss was sleeping with, where the boss was, i'd go for a chauffeur, go for the bodyguard. that's exactly what they're doing. >> federal prosecutors turned guys like that specifically in mob cases like that. >> i used to do it. i had a series of people like
that in the witness protection program. you go for the people knowing the most, closely aligned with the person, with them every day, joke with them, talk about all kinds of things and the people that really know what's going on. now, whether or not he tells the truth, that's a different story. >> we have to fit a break in here. nick, thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, donald trump publicly talked about firing the attorney general today again. i'll discuss that next. and later, direct from moscow and right here in the studio, pussy riot will join us here tonight. here's a first peek at pussy riot's new video to premier next week. ♪ ♪
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guidance from professionals who take their time to get to know you. the president of the united states is publicly talking about firing the attorney general. again. donald trump left open the possibility of firing jeff sessions this morning. >> will you fire jeff sessions if the justice department doesn't take action? >> i don't know. i'm not involved with the justice department. i'd like to let it run itself.
honestly, they should be looking at the democrats. shay should be looking at podesta and that dishonesty. they should be looking at a lot of things and a lot of people are disappointed in the justice department including me. >> not surprisingly, republican senator bob corker objected to the president's attack on the justice department. senator corker said in a statement that trump's comments are totally inappropriate and not only undermine our justice system but erode the american people's confidence in our institutions. now that donald trump knows just a tiny bit more about government than he did when he was campaigning for president, he now sounds like he'd rather be attorney general. >> you know, the saddest thing is that because i'm the president of the united states, i am not supposed to be involved with the justice department. i'm not supposed to be involved with the fbi. i'm not supposed to be doing the kind of things i would love to be doing and i'm very frustrated by it. i look at what's happening with the justice department. why aren't they going after hillary clinton with her e-mails
and with her -- the dossier and the kind of money? >> back with us, ej dionne and daniel dale. so there's the president saying will you fire -- question, will you fire jeff sessions if the justice department doesn't take action against hillary clinton and the president's answer is, i don't know. and then he goes on to throw some words at it after that. ej, when you just heard the president talking about how he really wishes he could direct prosecutions and the justice department, no doubt direct tax audits in the irs, can you explain to him and perhaps some of the younger viewers, what happens to presidents, the last one we know tried to do things like that? >> he resigned in disgrace after being impeached. you know what? donald trump is frustrated by he's the leader of a free country with judicial independence. and our country has spent years
criticizing foreign dictatorships for politicized judiciary. i looked at the state department human rights report and the 2016 human rights report on belarus says, i quote, the judiciary experience political interference and a lack of independence trial outcomes often appeared predetermined. that is exactly what donald trump is proposing. i don't think he read the state department report on belarus. but that's exactly what we don't want in the united states. >> and, daniel, if barack obama had been caught in someone's memo, if someone somehow captured him saying that he wanted the justice department to investigate his political rivals or investigate mitt romney, investigate john mccain, barack obama would have been without question impeached for exactly that by the republican house of representatives. if he had just said he wanted to
do it, and even if the justice department didn't do it, and that's, of course, the thought exercised that trump supporters are not putting themselves through. >> well, i don't know about impeach but would have been big trouble for him for sure. i think trump has this extraordinary kind of trick which is to do the impropriety publicly rather than privately and agree with the general point. trump in the campaign saying, hey, russia, if you're listening, how about you get me those e-mails? caught in memo or another private communication saying that, it's a scandal. with glee for everyone to see, i think people see it and say, well, it can't be that bad if he's doing it before my eyes but in fact a lot of these things, nlg, according to, you know, experts are bad. you know, he is damaging the rule of law. he is undermining faith in democratic institutions. so i think we need to do a
better job separating trump's manner and the ease with which he does these things from the seriousness of what he's actually doing. >> and, ej, what about this -- that jeff sessions now is back on the i don't know list on the question of is donald trump going to fire him? >> well, i wonder, by the way, i want to correct the record. nixon, the articles of impeachment were voted by the judiciary committee. but i think that donald trump it may preparing the way to pressure sessions to give him a choice either you cooperate in some way in firing mueller or in stopping mueller or in obstructing mueller or i am going to be ready to fire you this time. i mean, the very thing that trump was upset with sessions about was sessions' decision to recuse himself because he knew he should not be part of this inquiry.
now sessions may be a problem for trump because he may have misstated a lot of things, possibly to the point of perjury, when he testified before the senate so i think trump has two grounds for going this direction. one is to pressure him and the other is there may come a point when he is going to have to throw him overboard. >> daniel, of course, the president wants a -- the justice department and the fbi to do an investigation that they already did which was the investigation of hillary clinton's e-mails. there is some independent analysis of pollsters that james comey's intervention, public intervention in the case and comments about it, especially the last comments about it, involving anthony weinerer's laptop were the thing that tipped the election to donald trump. he is not satisfied with that investigation. he wants a new investigation of the same thing.
>> he does. or he wants to make noise about doing that to muddy the waters for the inevitable trouble that he is going to face. we have seen him make this long-running effort to redefine words by simply using them to attack his opponents even when they don't apply so, for example, in responding to the dnc controversy the other day trump said that's money laundering. why isn't the justice department and the fbi investigating money laundering? whatever that was or think of that controversy, it was not money laundering. that, of course srks what his campaign chairman paul manafort is charged with. so i think trump is very good with the certain segment of the population and inclined to believe him of muddying the waters by accusing democrats of the things that he is more seriously accused of. >> he is very good at getting a minority of people who are devoted to him to continue to be devoted to him. he hasn't changed a single mind in his favor since election night. ej and daniel, thank you very much for joining us tonight. appreciate it.
>> thank you. >> thank you. coming up, thomas freedman explains why he calls trump a chump. and, pussy riot will join us to talk about the similarities of vladimir putin and donald trump. we come into this world needing others. ♪ then we are told it's braver to go it alone. ♪ but there is another way to live. ♪ a way that sees the only path to fulfillment- is through others. ♪
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last night on the eve of the president's trip to asia the president was asked why he has left so many positions unfilled at the state department. >> let me tell you. the one that matters is me. i'm the only one that matters because when it comes to it, that's what the policy is going to be. >> so the most ignorant president in history embarked on
a 13-day, 5-country trip without the state department support that every president before him has had. what could possibly go wrong? yesterday hr mcmaster, national security adviser accompanying the president on the trip, asked if the president would continue using the fire and fury rhetoric of north korea visiting south korea? you remember that came out of his mouth not reading -- speech written for him. >> north korea best not make anymore threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. >> the president's national security adviser admitted that there is no way to control what the president says. >> okay.
so the president will use whatever language he wants to use, obviously. and what the president has done is clarified in all of his -- all of his discussions, his statements on north korea, our determination to ensure that north korea's unable to threaten our allies and our partners and certainly the united states. so he's done that with a great deal of clarity in the past and i'm sure he'll do that during the the trip, as well. >> so here's an example of the great deal of clarity that hr mcmaster was talking about. >> what this represents? i don't know. maybe it's the calm before the storm. >> what is the storm? >> could be. a calm before the storm. >> the world is still wondering what the calm before the storm meant. in his "the new york times" column this week, thomas freedman writes nothing trump ever says has a second photograph. build a wall, tear up the iran deal, tear up tpp, defeat isis,
send troops to afghanistan to kill terrorists, kill climate policy, kill family planning, cut taxes, raise military spending, every box just marks an applause line he needed somewhere to get elected. nothing connects and we will pay for that. joining us now, thomas freedman, three-time pulitzer award winning author. the latest, "thank you for being late." it's now available in paperback. tom freedman, you know asia, you know where the president's going. what could possibly go wrong if the president speaks his mind as hr mcmaster would put it? >> well, lawrence, let's start at 30,000 feet with you. if you think about where we are in the world right now and this is the argument of the book, three climate changes at once, the climate, the change of the climate of globalization from an interconnected world to an interconnected world and the
climate of data of big data and ai. how does china lead that? clean energy, globalization and integrate with the neighbors and with technology they have a plan called made in china 2025 to lead basically all of the key strategic industries of the 21st century. what do we have with president trump? denying climate change. trying to -- already pulled us out of tpp. the asian trade alliance. and we don't know what the future of nafta is basically. and on technology, this administration really has no plan other than a tax bill that is designed purely to get any kind of tax corporate tax cut out and claim credit for it. without embedding it in any kind of strategic plan for how we would reform our tax code to actually int centivize and enable stronger investment in the technology. that's what i find appalling.
china says how do we align ourselves with the trends in the world to cushion the worst and get the most out of it? we have a leader basically who is literally tweeting 24/7 and scrambling around for any tax bill he can hold up to get him through the next election. that is the real long-term i think threat to our country. >> what are the dot that is you would like to see the president connect on this plane on his way to asia? >> well, let's go back to tpp for instance. obama negotiated the transpacific partnership. it had 12 countries in it. those countries control 40% of global gdp and i think the importance of tpp was it made up for a lot of mistakes in nafta in terms of labor rights, labor organization and other things that were seen as weaknesses in nafta. what does trump do? think about this, lauren.
comes in office and i think day one tears up the agreement and throws it out the window. how would you like to be negotiating with xi xinping the president of china? trump could have said, mr. xi, i'm the head of a 12-nation trading bloc that you're not in that controls 40% of gdp that's based on our interest and our values. that's called leverage. instead, he tears that up and he's basically been going to xi begging for crumbs that chinese sell us carpets, multiple times on trade. because he doesn't have the leverage. that's why trump is a chump. okay? he presents himself as mr. smart and mr. tough. he's actually a chump. trump is a chump because he doesn't know anything. >> i want to go to something in the column this week. we have seen the tragic deaths of four soldiers in combat in niger and but you have highlighted something that no one else is talking about in that incident and you say that
niger highlights a much larger problem, just how foolish, how flat-out dumb president trump is behaving. you connected dots for me that i haven't considered. >> i did a documentary there last year for years of living dangerously and the whole problem of that region of africa, four things have come together. one is dramatic climate change. that region is heating up much faster than any other region. and so the desert is coming down. we have got huge population explosion going on there. the average woman in niger 7.6 kids. i met men there who boasted of 17 children and then misgovernance. okay? and then the rise of isis and al qaeda groups coming there because men will join them for $50 a month. what are we doing? sending troops there. we discovered. four of them killed fighting these isis or al qaeda types. at the same time we're doing that, same time we're sending
our best young men and women to a place like niger, the president is wiping out all climate change policy from the government, even mention of climate change, so any effort to mitigate the forces that are really driving the problem there and at the same time he's taking the united states out of all support from global family planning and contraception. that's nuts, lawrence. that's flat-out nuts and somebody comes to send your kid to niger, okay, and the president, the same time is wiping out all of the things that would actually mitigate the problem there, that's a travesty. >> tom friedman, the book is "thank you for being late." tom, thank you for joining us and thank you for being on time. >> a pleasure. thanks, lawrence. >> thank you. coming up next, vladimir putin's worst nightmare right here in the studio. nadia from pussy riot here on a rare visit from russia. she'll join us. ♪
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vladimir putin. nadia said this. democracy is being eroded by authoritarian or pro-authoritarian leaders like putin and donald trump. and nadia from pussy riot joins us now here in the studio. thank you very much for doing this. it's very rare for you to be in the united states. and to join us on television so we really appreciate it. >> my pleasure. as far as i know, you're punk now a big part of the program and glad to be here. >> i'm going to check our files. this might be our first segment on punk. it might be. i'm not sure. we may have done many i can't remember. >> this is my job to share punk music. >> you are spreading the word. and so, you have a unique perspective on these two men that are kind of an obsession now with the world. vladimir putin and donald trump. how do you see the two of them and how do you see the similarities? >> i would like to send them both to the moon and really
concerned with the way how moon will feel like. i wouldn't do that just because i'm compassion to the moon. you know, they're both are eroding our institutions and our job here is to protect these institutions. i think they make us forget the citizenship is not just using things that your government is giving to you but giving back to your government and protecting those institutions like democracy, for example. they're both hate critics. and they have the same attitude to media which is concerning to me. and i've seen how badly it can turn. i've seen it in front of my eyes fst lart 17 years. and i hear it from donald trump the same words about media that putin was using for 17 years. that it's fake news. that are paid, that they are paid by foreign governments and whoever.
>> so, donald trump believes that vladimir putin likes him. what do you think vladimir putin really thinks about donald trump? >> so, the thing about vladimir putin that he separates people on people who are not comfortable for him and people uncomfortable and speaking with one of those uncomfortable and people who do have real beliefs they're uncomfortable for vladimir putin. including foreign leaders. that's why he doesn't like people who really do believe in democracy and really believe in freedom of speech and human rights. donald trump doesn't have any real political beliefs. he really concerned with himself, with his fame and his wealth. and that's perfectly understandable for putin as kgb agent. he knows how to deal with people who are easy to understand or easy to bribe. >> so all right. we'll squeeze in a quick break here and we can just keep talking for hours. we'll be right back with nadia.
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media is bad they're really dishonest people. these are very very dishonest people. it's totally fake news. it's fake, it's made-up stuff. its disgrateful what happens but that happens in the world of pop ticks. >> nadia a founding member of the protest, funk rock band, pussy riot is with us. nadia does that sound like vladimir putin in. >> it does sound how it starts. then you have arrest of
occupational leading -- >> so it began in russia with putin at that verbal level before taking action against people? >> when he came to power he definitely didn't like the am of credit tick that he faced. obviously as kgba agent people predicted he wanted to bring his country back to oppression, so they started to criticize him. the next thing they knew people in -- was always -- came to their studio like this one and just took over. and now they're saying media channel in russia is russian t.v. propaganda channel. the worst thing about it is it's paid by russian tax payer's money. so we're paying for them telling
us bull, so, yeah. >> and you did two years in a russian prison, and yet, and you stay at this. the chances of you ending up in a russian prison again is very possible. >> they are pretty high, it's true. but we're trying to treat it as -- joke i would say. >> prison a joke? >> prison not a joke but every time you waking up in prison you try to find thing to make fun of and bring back joy you're government is trying to steal from you. because we want to leave orvals right now and lead joyful life right now even though we're surrounding by politicians that are not really healthy. so, the same thing when you're in prison, the same thing when you are facing prison. i'm writes my script for my music video and i'm joking with my friends, do you understand this could be in your criminal case and they're like ha ha. so when it happens we're like, we knew we saw it coming.
>> i have to tell you how brave it looks from where we are, the resistance in the united states does not involve that kind of risk. very few people will take that risk here. even here it's hard for the resistance to maintain their energy in the resistance against donald trump. and you have a much more difficult fight in russia and yet you seem more determined. >> i don't really know why it happens but again i'm trying to find joy in what i'm going and i think when i take a look back in history, let's say in '60s they knew how to lead farm life and divide this political protest and that's what changed the whole political landscapes and created civil rights. i think we need to reconnect our
everyday lives with politics again and stop separated. i believe the main problem right now about political actors and the people training as boring duty that they have to do, i don't know, part-time thing. i believe that if politics will become important and joyful part of your life then things maybe change. >> before you go, i have a birthday present for you because i foe your birthday is coming up next weekend. on your birthday, my second book, first one in a long time, will be published. this is your birthday gift. i'll sign it after the show and this is about the protest of the 1960s and the activism in the 1960s that you're saying inspired you. >> they definitely did. i think 1968 is my favorite year in history. >> this is not -- if audience is
going to think this is rehearsed because they already know that this book is about 1968, this is not -- we're talking for the first time. >> and -- >> anyway, that's right we have the same birthday. nadia of pussy riot happy birthday. >> happy birthday to you too. >> thanks for joining us appreciate it. the pussy riot video previews next week. ♪ ♪ no sir, no sir, some nincompoop stole all my wool sweaters, smart tv and gaming system. luckily, the geico insurance agency recently helped baa baa with renters insurance. everything stolen was replaced. and the hooligan who lives down the lane was caught selling the stolen goods online. visit geico.com and see how easy it is to switch
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time for tonight's last word. trump called a "new york times" reporter to projelkt an air of con over the charges. >> hello, failing "new york times" i just wanted you to know that i'm not at all worried about the thing i called you up to tell you that i'm not even thinking about. >> adding this is true, i'm not under investigation as you know. yeah they're just rounding up all your friends and family and asking them questions about you. maybe robert mueller's planning your a surprise party. they're going to give you an orange jump suit and a new pair of bracelets. >> steven colbert gets tonight's last word and he will surely get the last word on me on monday night when i appear on steven
colbert's show to discuss my new book which would be published next week. playing with fire. available in stores on tuesday shlg you can preorder this weekend. that is tonight's last word. "the 11th hour" starts now.preo weekend. that is tonight as last word. the 11th hour starts now. tonight, new details on george papadopoulos and the role he played as a trump adviser. and a breaking report on carter page and what he told the trump campaign about his trip to russia. plus, a year after beating hillary clinton, donald trump calls on the justice department and the fbi to look into his former opponent and the democratic party. and we're live in hawaii as the president heads on a high stakes asia trip with the threat of north korea looming. the 11th hour begins now. good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in