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tone in north korea. president trump now in seoul calling on pyongyang to make a deal. plus, the new promise he's making to american troops. and it's election day. a live look here in virginia with polls now open in a tight race for governor with national implications. the president weighing in from overseas. we've got that and the vote to replace governor chris christie in new jersey. steve kornacki is also here with the big board. and we'll tell you all you need to know. we'll go first to sutherland springs, texas, where we find mariana atencio near the church where the mass shooting took place. mariana, what is the latest going on there? >> reporter: in the early hours of the morning, they are still identifying victims, notifying the next of kin and waiting to reveal that full list of names of the people that were massacred in the crime scene behind me, the first baptist church here in sutherland springs. they also told us that the crime scene has been processed. the bodies have been removed.
and they are now at the medical examiner's office where those autopsies are being conducted. we still have not heard about any funeral plans or any services. we're waiting to hear about that in the coming days. they also revealed to us what was found inside the crime scene. they collected hundreds of shell casings. approximately 50 magazines. up to a 30-round capacity magazines, which gives you a sense of what the suspected gunman planned to do. also, the vehicle where he drove off along 87 highway right here behind me where he was chased by the good samaritan, by the good samaritans, that vehicle was processed as well. his autopsy was conducted. and it revealed that devin kelley, the gunman, received three gunshot wounds, one to the leg and torso, and one to the head, which was the self-inflicted wound. and the one that most likely killed him.
we're also hearing about the victims, the 26 people who died, of course, but there were approximately 20 people injured. this morning, four remain in serious condition, ten remain in critical condition. and kristen, this morning, the air force is also coming under fire because the suspected gunman, devin kelley, received a bad conduct discharge from the air force. and tbecause of the domestic assault behavior on his wife and child, did not show up on the civilian databases. that legally most likely allowed him to purchase these firearms. so the secretary of the air force on cnbc this morning saying they are working to fix those loopholes. and they assume all responsibilities for the families here in sutherland springs. kristen? >> mariana atencio, thank you for reporting from the ground. we are going to dive into the point that mariana brings in.
and i want to go to the pentagon with hans nichols. you heard what mariana had to say, what is the air force saying? how do they plan to prevent this again? >> reporter: was this a single failure or is there a larger systemic problem in inputting this kind of data into the federal system? the federal system is called nics, this is what everyone needs to report into so that individuals can be put on a no buy list. here's what the air force secretary had to say about it earlier on cnbc. >> we are checking all of the air force databases. and there are several of them to find out and confirm that all court-martial convictions for these kinds of offenses have been reported in the civilian database. >> have you thought about whether the air force will have to accept some formal liability from the families as a result of this? >> i'm more interested in responsibility. we take responsibility and we're going to find out what happened. and fix it. >> reporter: we know that the
system does function. we don't know how well it works, but we know it functions because there have been a thousand purchases that have been denied because the system has had, raised a red flag, that an individual received some sort of dishonorable discharge. does the simple court-martial, which is what this individual had, does that automatically trigger they can't buy a weapon? or is it that they need to report every incident of domestic violence? here's the other issue, the pentagon, a lot of the individual services don't have a specific charge for domestic violence. what they have is general assaults, but it doesn't necessarily translate that. so they're going to try to find a common set of languages, not just in the air force, the common set of terms across all of dod and try to make sure they have a 100% reporting rate when their cases get discharged from the air force army marines or navy and get properly put in to this federal system. kristen? >> hans, very briefly before i let you go, striking that the
air force took responsibility for this. they are not waiting until the investigation is over. why was that so important? >> reporter: because the air force knew they failed to do this, that's clear. and they knew they had an administrative error. they didn't know they have a systemic problem. they are owning up to the administration problem and looking into a broader problem. heather wilson, former member of congress, very public and very confident in the public eye, and you have seen her almost immediately take the responsibility, not shying away from any media engagements long planned and take responsibility and try to correct it. >> hans nichols, thank you from the pentagon. now i want to bring in justice correspondent pete williams. how does the resolution that the air force did not convey this information to federal authorities about the shooter's past, how does that impact the overall investigation at this point? >> reporter: well, it answers one question, which is how was he able to get the guns despite his military record.
but the real question, i think, for investigators in texas is pretty well answered by now. which is why did he do this? they'll continue to exploit his social media, look at his e-mails, see what he was looking at on the internet, was he looking at other mass killings? was he taking inspiration from that? was that fueling this obvious rage he had, this is a person who clearly could not control his temper for many years of his life. he beat his dog, he beat his wife, he cracked the skull of his infant son. he was charged with -- in the military, he was accused of rape at one point. those charges were dismissed. so this is obviously a person with some very serious problems. but i think they generally understand what happened here. now, today the forensic work will be to understand exactly how the shots were fired inside the church. that's a step that investigators always take in these cases. but we did learn last night an astonishing figure.
he had 15 high-capacity 30-round magazines. and the authorities say when they got inside the church, every one of those magazines was empty. these are the ammunition clips that go into the rifle. so that means that he fired 450 shots inside the church at minimum. it is really astonishing that anyone was able to survive this. you know, you have seen the inside of the church in the videos, it is a small building. so it's really quite astonishing. i just want to pick up on the point you were making with hans, i just want to say, as a former pentagon official, which is what i am. i think the air force, you know, it is quite surprising that they have stepped up so quickly. to answer this question. so, you know, even though there were obvious problems here in all the services and reporting this derogatory information, it is commendable that they have stepped up so quickly. >> indeed. pete, let me follow-up with you on that point, because you have worked at the pentagon, because
you do have such a broad perspective on all of this, is it an aberration for there to be some type of lapse in communication, some type of inner agency lapse as we're seeing in this case, particularly when you map out the background of the shooter, which is so devastating on its face? >> reporter: here's the problem, kristen, i was talking to a former lawyer for the brady center about this. the fact is that this is a sort of problem throughout the federal government. this problem of reporting, potential derogatory information to the fbi, to put it in their database, this has been an issue ever since the brady law came into effect requiring a background check. the weakness in the system is making sure that all the derogatory data that would disqualify someone from owning a gun is in there. and that has always been the problem. states have been reluctant to do this. but the federal government, too. and it's been an issue ever since the law was in effect.
>> pete williams, thank you for your reporting and your perspective this morning. really appreciate it. >> reporter: you bet. and with us now, our panel for the hour, white house reporter for politico, nancy cook, and political reporter for "the new york times," kevin vogel. and we are awaiting house speaker paul ryan to take questions on capitol hill. we are monitoring that and we will bring you any news that we get out of that weekly briefing that we get from the house speaker. thanks to both of you, nancy and ken, for being here. president trump was asked yet again by ali vitali about gun laws, should there not be stricter monitoring for people buying guns, particularly coming from a president who wants to vet immigrants. let's take a listen to that and i'll get your reaction on the other side. >> if you did what you're suggesting, there would have been no difference three days ago. and you might not have had that very brave person who happened to have a gun or a rifle in his truck, go out and shoot him and
hit him and neutralize him. >> nancy, your reaction to what we heard from the president overnight? >> well, the president really tried to skirt the issue a bit. and even leading up to the way ali asked the question, he put it off by saying, this is not the time or place to and this question, we are in south korea on a foreign trip, but he really made the point that, you know, these things would happen anywhere. whereas that is not necessarily true. you can put in stricter gun laws, both democrats and republicans in congress haven't had any luck doing that, but there could be stricter gun laws that would lead to fewer people being able to purchase these weapons. >> can the president -- he's getting criticism, not only for the uneven response in the wake of the terror attack in new york, he immediately proposed new policies, stiffer immigration laws, he said it is too soon to talk about policies when it comes to guns. and yet, when first asked about this, he tried to put the focus on metal health. the first action he signed into law reversed the obama-era order
to make it tougher for people with mental illness to access guns. where does the president fall right now? >> well, the debate in congress is going nowhere. that's sort of the key issue here, he's not going to -- there are certain things he could unilaterally do, but something to expand background checks would not be among them. and the interesting thing here is that per nancy's point about him saying it is not the time, that's what they said after the las vegas massacre, you know, we're a little more than a month after that, so what is the waiting period? and it's sad to say, like if you say, well, two months after a mass shooting, then you can start talking about this, we are getting to the point where we have mass shootings in a frequency of more than every two months. >> nancy, i think what is striking to me about this moment is that after las vegas, which ken brings up, there was a bipartisan discussion about doing something on the issue of bump stocks. and yet it went nowhere. i mean, what moves this debate forward if not yet another mass shooting? >> it went nowhere and they took
the bump stocks off a month and then a month later they went back on the market. the gun lobbyists are such a special interest, i looked this up this morning, they spend over a million dollars on lobbying just this year alone in the last election cycle. they gave 99% of their money to republicans. and so the republican party that controls the white house and congress now really isn't in a political position to necessarily challenge the gun lobby. and they have not really seen the desire to. their argument is to better enforce the laws on the books. >> ken, what does it aic to move the debate forward? not even on gun laws but for men call health. we have not seen action from the mental health, what moves that argument forward? >> the gun boblobby sees any mo to expand background checks and to focus on mental health as sort of a book-door effort to go after their positioning on these things. where i do see the potential for
there to be progress and where there has already been progress is at the state level. you saw the lieutenant governor or republican of massachusetts on friday sign into law a bill that outlawed bump stocks in the state of massachusetts. so there is action there. it is obviously a very blue state. so the nra's political power is not as strong as there, but that is really the only place where you see any action as far as legislating on gun control right now. >> and i guess the question is, do we see the states apply pressure to the federal government at some point to do something, whether it is on guns or mental health. nancy and ken, thank you. stay with us, we'll be back. president is in south korea today and changing his town ne addressing the threat from north korea. after the break, what the president is saying about diplomacy and we'll preview the next leg of his trip as he prepares to visit china. come on dad!
we have many things happening that we hope, we hope, in fact, i'll go a step further, we hope to god we never have to use. >> that is president trump speaking in seoul, south korea, last night, appearing to trade-in his fire and fury talk on north korea for a far more moderate tone. i want to go straight to my colleague and friend, nbc's hallie jackson, in seoul, south korea, for us. working around the clock on very little sleep, great to see you. the president signaled there may be some type of progress on the
diplomatic front. everyone taking note of the new tone. i wonder what you think that progress may be, what you make of all this? >> reporter: so here's what i got, kristen, two takeaways over the last 10 to 12 hours here in seoul. by the way, we are 35 mimes from the north korean border. right now, what the president did not say nearly as important as what he did. he referenced this a bit, but we didn't hear the phrase "fire and fury" or no nickname of rocketman. we did not hear destroy the north korean regime. that's a tone down for a president who merely minces words. here he did, to a degree. the second takeaway is what i call the art of the deal diplomacy with north korea, the president just six weeks or so after saying talks with north korea are a waste of time in that tweet aimed at the secretary of state, seemed to open the door to some kind of negotiation. i want you to listen to what he had to say at a news conference we were at a few hours ago. >> i really believe that it
makes sense for north korea to come to the table and to make a deal that's good for the people of north korea and the people of the world. i do see certain movement, yes. and let's see what happens. >> reporter: so the president leaving the door open there for potential, what sounds like negotiation, but also not going too for a his comments. the big question is, what does progress look like? and part of that will come in china, that's the next stop here, and obviously the north korean threat will be top of the agenda for president trump and his team. we miss you, pal. i wish you were here. you could tradeoff the sleep shifts with us. >> haley, i miss you, too. you are doing tremendous work out there. don't go anywhere, because i want to drill-down with you on the point you just raised up on why china in a bit. standby, joining me onset is bruce clinger for northeast asia at the heritage foundation. and ken and nancy continue to be
here. bruce, thank you so much for joining us. let's just pick up on that point that hallie made, the shift in tone, and you say it is not just on north korea but the issue of trade as well. what do you make of the new tone, is it a sign of progress? >> well, the president is certainly keeping us guessing. before there was a lot of speculation whether the u.s. was going to do a preventive attack or attack north korea to simply prevent them from completing development of the icbm. that seems to be toned down. and also trade with south korea. the president has been very critical of the chorus, the u.s./korea free trade agreement, including when standing next to president moon at the whimeet. both subjects had much more toned down subjects or dialogue from the president. >> i want to get your thoughts on the meeting, the upcoming expected meeting with russia's president, vladimir putin, the president was asked about that. all eyes will be on that meeting and i'll get your reaction on the other side. >> i want to say that president
xi, where we'll be tomorrow, in china, has been helpful. he's been really very, very helpful. so china is out trying very hard to solve the problem. with north korea. we hope that russia, likewise, will be helpful. >> we hope that russia will be helpful, too, do you expect the president to take a tough tone when he sits down with vladimir putin, if, in fact, that meeting happens? >> i think the president has this kind of chummy approach to diplomacy, and he doesn't necessarily hue to the typical briefing standards of standards of diplomacy, he thinks he's going to saddle up to a leader and woo them with his charm and that will work. what happens with russia and china is he ends up sort of using phrases that he doesn't understand the implications of, which signal things to russia or chinese officials that don't necessarily fulfill what the u.s. wants in terms of foreign
policy. >> all right. let me go back to my colleague, hallie jackson, before i let you go, you talked about china. we're talking about china here, how tough do you expect president trump to be when he goes to china? the white house thinks china is the one country with president xi jinping who has the power to stop north korea from the nuclear provocations? >> reporter: that's going to be the u.s.'s biggest card to play, if it ends up playing that card with north korea, and that is why that visit is so important, not just because of the north korean discussion, but the trade talk as well. remember, you have the ceo delegation heading to china, too, so a lot of business folks are watching to see how that develops. i think on north korea, you are going to see the president exert as much pressure as he can on xi jinping. these are two leaders that unlike president moon here in south korea where the president is starting to develop that relationship, he and xi are
frankly pretty tight. remember the mar-a-lago summit in florida back last year or end of the year when the two of them were sort of together, they were building this relationship, raised eyebrows then just given xi's status in china and how early the president was meeting with him, but i do think you're going to see what is being called this state visit plus. so tons of pomp and circumstance, tons of pageantry, the president likes that, you know, the president loves the lavish warm welcome. you saw that here at the blue house in seoul. you will see that to an exponentially degree when he gets to beijing. there are folks who are watching to see how laudatory he will be to president xi who just consolidated a lot of power recently in the last few weeks. president trump going so far to call him like a king in china. that's the kind of talk that analysts are looking at and going, hey, i hope he doesn't go quite that far and doesn't need to be so deferential to xi while
there, but to president trump, it is an important opportunity to relationship-build. >> i know you'll be watching and reporting on every single minute of it. keep up all the tremendous work. we miss you at home. thank you for that, pal. bruce, let me give you the final word, you heard hallie's preview, what are you anticipating? what else do you think we'll see there in china? >> there are two lanes in the road with china. we can implore, control, pressure them into doing more on north korea. we have promised a lot and underperformed. but there are also things to do with the u.s. law that we continue to pull our punches on. secondary sanctions against chinese violators, the u.s. money laundering and other crimes. >> why aren't we doing that, do you think? >> it's a good question. several administrations have not going after those misusing the chinese system. we don't need chinese permission to go after them, we can do it ourselves. imposing sanctions on chinese banks and businesses, and then when we had the new executive
order a few months ago, we saw the momentum stop. it's a new peg point to say, forget about the past transgressions, from now on we'll look for more compliance. >> we'll continue to track this closely. bruce, thank you for being here to help us understand all of it. nancy and ken, stick around. and voters are headed to the polls today for some key gubernatorial races in virginia and new jersey. right after the break, what president trump is saying about the big race in virginia. he's had some tweets this morning. plus, our own steve kornacki is at the big board breaking down everything you need to know on this election day. stay with us.
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and we're back with a look at the headlines. rene boucher could be facing more serious charges as rand paul is suffering from five bruised ribs. boucher is charged with fourth-degree assault. florida state university is suspending all greek life indefinitely after a freshman pledge died this weekend and a
fraternity member was arrested on drug charges. if a statement, the school said the suspension was needed to reflect on the loss of life. the victim died on friday following an off-campus party. and the trump administration is ending the protected immigration status for nick nicaraguans. immigrants from nicaragua were given protective status by the clinton administration because of destruction from hurricane mitch in 1998. and today high-stakes races in new jersey and virginia. folk there is are choosing the next governor today. that race in virginia between ed gillespie and edward norton has gotten pretty heated. we asked voters what got them to the polls. >> i feel like we need more democrats. i've been a republican my whole life, but i'm scared for our
country right now. >> i want to make sure my vote actually expressed my disdain and disappointment with our president. >> do you have a prediction? >> gillespie. >> you think so? >> yep. yep. >> polls show it pretty close. >> did the you see what happened last year? the polls -- yeah. >> msnbc and nbc news national political correspondent steve kornacki is back at the board. we have missed this, steve. bring us all the top lines. what are you tracking? >> why would you doubt the polls? i have no idea. >> no idea. >> well, let's take you through what happened here in virginia. and from a democrat standpoint, this is what democrats don't just want but need. they have been looking all year ever since donald trump got elected. they are looking for the marquee win. they need this one. the polls do now ralph northam. it's a small but steady lean.
virginia, it's a state trending blue over the last ten or 20 years. donald trump's approval rating isn't great. virginia tends to favor the candidate for governor who is not from the white house party. all those factors line up for the democrats. they really don't have much excuse if they can't win this race. what we're looking for tonight, these are the results last year in virginia, you remember hillary clinton won this by 5%. in particular, look right here outside washington, d.c., this is a small area on the map. don't be fooled, one out of five votes in virginia will be cast in the blue area here. arlington, alexandria, fairfax county, huge margins for democrats. this is sort of the heart of the resistance to donald trump in virginia. democrats want to get the kind of numbers and turnout hillary clinton got last year. and they also want to see, this is a big question aimed for 2018, what is the black turnout like in virginia? in a presidential election last year, 20%.
it is the post-obama era. can you get that level or will it go down? that will go down from the standpoint of republicans, if gillespie is to pull off what would be an upset to win, what would he need? look to the d.c. suburbs here. he's not going to win them or come close to winning them, but can he cut into that margin? we're looking at places here where donald trump is getting 25% of the vote. can gillespie be more in the 30s in this part of virginia? he did when he ran for senate a few years ago. can he do it now in the trump era? the other thing he needs, look at the campaign he's run, he's running on trump issues and running on cultural issues and immigration. he's running on sanctuary cities, against them. he's running on confederate monuments. talking about all these smaller red counties here, southwest virginia, rural, they add up. these are places that are republican but donald trump absolutely blew the roof off last year. and gillespie is going to try to get trump-like margins running
on trump issues. that's what he needs down here. he needs trump margins. then he needs to cut in. he can't have that backlash that trump generated. that's a very difficult thing to achieve. that's what he would have to pull off today. that would be the formula for him. we'll keep a close eye on it. that's the marquis race. and the other one we're watching, there's a governor's race in new jersey. kim guadagno, republican lieutenant governor, new jersey is a blue state, chris christie's approval rating has decreased. the expectation is a solid win for the democrat, phil murphy, but we'll be watching it and following it all throughout the night. >> there's nothing better than election day. and steve, your board, thank you so much for breaking that all down. really appreciate it. and joining our panel now is robert costa, msnbc political analyst and national political
reporter for "the washington post." thank you for being here, robert, appreciate it. you just heard steve's breakdown. and of course we know that the president has a 35% approval rating in virginia, that state that clinton won. today gillespie said he appreciates the president's support. president trump has been tweeting about him from overseas, what are republicans telling you? how optimistic are they heading into tonight? >> both parties i'm talking to are on edge. this virginia race is a microcosm for what is happening in 2018. and they are on the republican side, whether ed gillespie's strategy of embracing the culture war a little bit but not fully embracing president trump, whether that can work for more moderate establishment republicans next year. >> and we have seen this strategy as you point out that really does replicate what we saw from trump. to some extent, you see gillespie talking about crime, even though when you actually look at the statistics, virginia's ranked the third lowest in the nation when it
comes to crime rates, will this line of attack work? will this fear factor strategy work? >> it really matters how voters in northern virginia react to this kind of campaign. when they look at ed gillespie's campaign, they see him talk like president trump and that could turn off voters in the washington suburbs, at the same time, northam has the challenge to get the independent voters in richmond. that's where you are i ceric ca before. you have to appeal to the voters in some way as well. >> nancy and ken, i want to bring you back to the conversation. we have new polling out overnight that i want to put up. this is the president's job approval rating overall. 50% disapprove. 48% approve. that's down two points from july.
if you look at the state of the nation, 32% say it's better off, 41% worse off, and 56% are satisfied with the economy. 55% say the president is keeping america safe. how do the numbers weigh on a race very close like virginia? >> hugely. it's impossible to overstate that the degree to which this is a referendum on trump. and also a blueprint as robert suggested for both parties as to how they can position themselves in the trump era. my sources tell me that there are polls in virginia that show that trump is a drag on gillespie, yet you see him embracing some of the issues. notably, you don't see trump in virginia. he is the first sitting president since richard nixon not to campaign in that off year election in virginia for the candidate of his party. that's really telling. for democrats, if they lose this, it would be such a huge blow. they have yet to win a big race in the trump era. polls are tight anything.
if they lose, they will be sent right back to the drawing board, how do we run against republicans in the trump era? >> the polls we were looking at were in trump counties. to your take, nancy, we have this big bombshell over the weekend where the former dnc chair came out and defectively accused the clinton campaign of not breaking any laws but crossing some lines. could that keep some democrats at home? could that depressed voter turnout for democrats for this critical race, which ken was just laying out all the sort of parameters of? >> it could potentially, but i think the democratic voters are much more disaffected by trump than they will be about some of the democratic party's own problems and identity issues. and i think we heard it even from the voters, that one of your reporters talked to, that they see this as a reaction to president trump, even if ed gillespie is not mentioning his name at all on the campaign
trail. you wouldn't know he was president according to ed gillespie. so i think democrats are really trying to cast their vote as the anti-trump measure. >> nancy, ken, bob, appreciate that great conversation on what will be a fascinating race. and nancy and ken are going to stick around a little longer with us. coming up next, new details from former trump campaign manager carter page's testimony before the house intel committee. who he told on the campaign about a 2016 trip to moscow? and what it means for the russia investigation? all that coming up right after a quick break. watch me. ♪ i've tried lots of things for my joint pain. now? watch me. ♪ think i'd give up showing these guys how it's done? please. real people with active psoriatic arthritis are changing the way they fight it... they're moving forward with cosentyx®. it's a different kind of targeted biologic.
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the house intel committee is releasing a transcript of their interview with former trump campaign adviser carter page. page says he asked for permission to travel to russia for a july 2016 from then campaign manager corey lewandowski and he green lighted the trip that he was unassociated with campaign work. for more on this, i want to bring in nbc national security analy analyst, and julia ainsley, i want to start with you. what is your big takeaway. >> the way carter page described this was he was going to the university and he was unaffiliated with his work on
the campaign, but what came through was eight hours of testimony, so there was a lot to go through. but what jumped out first was there were people on the campaign who knew what carter page was doing, and relaid to jd gordon that he had incredible insights from the trip. that is changing the narrative. and at the time, carter page was a foreign policy adviser. and the people he met with, including the russian deputy prime minister, knew that. >> and jd gordon, the former campaign adviser, advised him not to go and said carter page basically went around him, went to lewandowski and got permission and said, you can go as long as it is not related to the campaign. >> jd gordon said he went to campaign leadership and then we're asked, what did you think when he got the e-mail after coming back to say he got incredible insight? he said, i've got thousands of e-mails and can't remember them all.
that's something we are hearing off in this investigation. >> page was presented with an e-mail he did not previously disclose during the house intelligence committee hearing. and the e-mail was from page written to trump campaign officials. this is in reference to his russia trip. and it was read by california democrat representative jackie spear, the e-mail says, please let me know if you have any reservations or thoughts on how you'd prefer me to focus these remarks. now, we want to underscore the fact that, look, this is page going to campaign officials, not the other way around, but what do you make of this e-mail? >> well, i think it shows that the campaign officials knew contempt ra contempt rainously what they were going to do. it has allegations that we know the fbi is investigating, the dossier, it said that carter page met with fishes from the russian government and from the
state-owned oil company. carter page largely denied it in public appearances over the last few months. and in this interview yesterday he confirmed it. did everyone at the campaign know the full details of what he discussed with them? that's not entirely clear. i don't think a lot of the people are being completely forthcoming. they will have to talk to the senate intelligence committee and to bob mueller to explain what they knew about his trip. and whether they heard anything about a potential quid pro quo deal on which the campaign would express support for lifting sanctions on russia, should they win the election. >> and nancy, let me bring you back into this conversation. we also know that page did plead the fifth on some of these matters, what do you make of where things stand? it seems like we keep getting incrementally more information about his trip to russia in 2016? >> well, what is so interesting is that the narratives keep changing. and the white house's reaction to it. you know, meanwhile, it sort of stays the same. so we keep hearing from different officials that
actually a few more people knew about russia or carter page is saying, well, actually, someone in the campaign did know and was informed. the white house, meanwhile, keeps trying to characterize all the people as low-level aids. they weren't part of the administration. you know, these people that were not influential, but really the takeaway is that there are at least nine trump associates from the campaign and the transition that had dealings with russian officials: and that is an increasing number. and i think we're going to see more revelations from bob mueller soon about michael flynn that could add to that. >> can you have all these investigations going on, you have bob mueller and the investigations going on on capitol hill, but on the face of it, isn't this an issue at this point, at least, about optics? the president is overseas in asia, the critical diplomatic trip, and then another night of new revelations, some of them are not so new, but new events being highlighted that relate to carter page in that trip to russia? >> yeah, certainly. to nancy's point, the white
house has struggled with this and their default explanation that someone just played a limited role for a limited amount of time. those were the words they used that sean spicer famously used from the white house platform to talk about paul manafort. two points on carter page, first of all, it is not illegal. there's not necessarily anything improper with them reaching out to communicate with foreign leaders. number two, carter page, having just said, this excuse is getting old, carter page from these e-mails, it's revealed that he's sort of a low-level person and that this campaign is in disarray. there's no one there to say definitively, don't do this or do this. i have the authority to speak for the campaign. can you imagine on the sort of, on the analogy of the clinton campaign, john podesta getting something like that and saying, don't do it. no one would dare do something he said not to go. >> guys, great conversation. we'll be right back.
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this speaks to making sure that we actually enforce our laws we have in the books.
that's why we have questions with the air force with this how is it this person left the air force after he was in jail for a year, i think, how did
he get -- slip through the cracks and what has to be done to enforce the laws on the books. because this man should not have had a gun in the first place. >> and that was speaker of the house paul ryan with strong language on enforcing the laws. we are turning back to texas where we are learning more about the victims. one family losing three generations. gabe gutierrez has more. >> reporter: good morning. the sheriff here says about half of the victims were children. the youngest a toddler. one family dealing with three generations gunned down here at the church where they worshipped. this morning in this small texas town, prayers that the 26 who
died. the holcombe family with eight members wiped out. three generations spanning 60 years. >> i knew right away that carl and brian were killed. i knew that. and i called her and her phone rang and rang and rang. i knew then. >> reporter: brian holcombe filling in on sunday leading the congregation in prayer. his wife carla there too as sunday service is a family affair. son danny with his 18-month-old daughter noah and sister-in-law crystal. she and three of her five children did not survive. >> just the worst feeling knowing those individuals and knowing his children and his wife are all gone. >> reporter: and they were not the only family torn apart. joann ward and her children gone. their brother shot five times now fighting for his life.
and daughter rihanna. she hid under a pew. a bullet shattering her glasses but sparing her. >> we've had a long night with our children and grand babies. >> reporter: pastor frank pomeroy and his wife were out of town when it happened but they lost their 4-year-old daughter annabelle. >> what do you tell the other grieving families? >> i'm still working on that. >> reporter: but some answers too. >> you don't run into people like the holcombes. >> reporter: how does a community replace a family like that? >> they don't. the only thing the community can do is use the example they set. be good neighbors to each other. give. and love each other. >> reporter: 20 people were wounded. the most serious taken to a hospital in san antonio. overnight two people were discharged. two adults and two children
remain hospitalized there. their conditions range from serious to critical. kristin? >> heart breaking. thank you for that report from sutherland springs, texas. and we're just moments away from atf officials holding a press conference. we will bring that to you live. stay with us. we'll have much more ahead. ♪ everyone deserves attention, whether you've saved a lot or just a little. at pnc investments, we believe you're more than just a number. so we provide personal financial advice for every retirement investor.
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>> hey there. good morning to you. i'm stephanie rhule. >> and i'm ali velshi. it is tuesday, november 7th. let's get started. >> it makes sense for north korea to come to the table and to make a deal that's good for the people of north korea and the people of the world. >> president trump now here on the korean peninsula. >> we have many things happening that we hope, we hope, in fact, i'll go a step further. we hope to god we never have to use. >> avoiding fire and fury rhetoric. instead more subtly touting the american military in the region. >> it has to work out. >> a member of president trump's foreign policy committee said he told several officials he was heading to moscow in july of 2016. carter page. >> a very odd picture of this man emerges. >> here's another russian