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>> fascinating conversation about virginia. we're going to continue it in this hour. also in the 2:00 p.m. hour. thank you very much, andrea. good afternoon from msnbc headquarters in new york. i'm catty tur in for craig melvin. there are a lot of stories we're following at this the hour including deadly mistake. the pentagon is investigating a major error by the air force that allowed the gunman in the church shooting to buy a rifle. we're learning new details about the shooter's motives. and trump versus obama. all eyes on the virginia governor's race that pits a republican candidate who sounds a lot like president trump against a democrat that former president barack obama hit the campaign trail with to support. we'll find out today whose message resonates more. and army of spies. a bombshell new yorker report said disgraced movie mogul harvey weinstein hired private investigators to dig up dirt on his accusers and track journalists. the lengths they went to to stop allegations from being made
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public. but we start with the latest mass -- the latest on the mass shooting in sutherland spring, texas, and new details on the shooter's violent history toward women and children. today, the air force is admitting it did not properly document a 2012 court-martial conviction for domestic assault on the suspect's wife and stepson whose skull he cracked. the error was meant -- the error meant there was no information in federal databases to prevent him from buying the firearms that he used to kill more than 2 dozen people on sunday and more than half of them were children. two reports now from the justice department and from the pentagon. let's start with pete williams and talking about the justice side of this. what more have we learned, pete, in terms of the investigation about the shooter's history and his involvement in domestic gun violence, domestic violence? >> well, i think the facts of his violence in domestic violence are very clear, but i think an important point has to be made here about what
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information the government should be providing, all levels of government, specifically in this case the military. it's not just the domestic violence part of this. which of course was the reason that devin kelley was brought before a general court-martial and convicted. under the law, the government has to -- the military has to tell the fbi not only if somebody is convicted of domestic violence, which he clearly was, but anybody who is convicted before a general court-marti court-martial. i'm sure hans will have more to say in a moment but that's the highest or most serious level of court-martial, most serious basically military trial. under the law, anyone who is convicted of a felony, that's what the law says, federal law says anybody convicted of a felony cannot own or buy a gun and a conviction before a general court margin is for the purposes of the the law considered a felony. it says so when you go into the gun store to fill out the form.
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says so in the instructions. have you been convicted of a general court-martial. you have to check yes on the form where it says have you been convicted of a felony, indicating you can't buy a gun and the military has to pass that information along to government and clearly that's not been done. >> we're going to get more on that. the breakdown between the military and the gun database for a background check. at a news conference a couple minutes ago, pete, the fbi said they had the shooter's phone but they're unable to get into it. what are they trying to get out of that phone and are there any new developments about the shooter or how he went about this or whether he planned it, that we learned from that news conference? >> so this is an old problem that we've known about since the san bernardino shootings. that's when it became the most prevalent or when we learned the most about it. so if you have a pass code on your phone, and the government's trying to guess it, it can only try to guess it so many times
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before the phone is permanently locked and the data is sealed forever. there are thousands of phones like this around the country that local law enforcement has that either can't open in their own crime labs or have sent the fbi to open and they can't get into them. why does the government in this case want to get in? well, they want to learn more about what text messages he was sending to people. was he going on to websites? was he interested in mass killings? was he in communication with anyone else? no indication, the authorities say, that he was in communication with anybody else or that anybody knew of or helped him plan this. >> yeah. >> so it is a very serious issue, and by the way, katie, you know, the government did get into the phone of the man who drove his truck down the street in new york and killed people last week. they did get into his phone and they did see who he was talking to. >> so what's the government -- >> why were they able to get into -- >> go ahead, i'm sorry. >> i was just going to say, why
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were they able to get into that phone? we're told he just didn't lock it. >> what's the recourse for getting into this phone? are they going to be able to -- and forgive me, i don't remember with the san bernardino shooting. >> right. >> were they ever able to get into the phones of that couple? >> eventually they were. it cost the government a lot of money. somebody came forward with a way to crack the phone so that the fbi could get the data out without locking it up forever. but that was good only for that kind of phone. we don't know what kind of phone kelley had but it's not a universal master key. was only good for that phone made at that time running that particular ios operating system. so this is a vexing and continuing problem for law enforcement. >> pete williams, thank you very much. pentagon correspondent hans nichols joins us now. hans, i'm sure you were listening to the discussion pete and i were having about the break groun and what exactly what wrong between the pentagon and law enforcement.
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how was this man able to buy guns even though he was not supposed to? >> katie, the short and unsatisfactory answer is they don't know and that's why they're doing a comprehensive review. we heard from secretary mattis here recently. he's in brussels. he's pledging to get to the bottom of this and if they find the problems how to correct it. specifically to the air force problem, excuse me, they don't know if this was an administrative error or some sort of systemic issue they need to address. what they do know is this data was not inputted into the federal database, the ncnis. that needed to happen. and it didn't happen. now, senator mccain on capitol hill addressed this very issue. >> the problem arose with the congress in sequestration which cut readiness, training, equipment and ability to defend the nation. it lies with congress. >> what about oversight hearings? do you expect to be calling people in soon? >> what do you think we just did
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with the "uss mccain" huh? yes, we will be holding them accountable. >> senator mccain making the readiness argument. that because the government has been -- at least the pentagon has been under sequestration, basically budget caps, not full spending that the pentagon wants, mccain making the case that is playing an effect here. that is part of the issue -- >> but how so? it seems like at the very -- it's a communications breakdown, there's different language used for a military trial than a civilian trial. paperwork is maybe just not being handed over. is that a financing thing? >> well, didn't -- to be fair, i didn't hear the question to senator mccain there. i just heard the answer. so i don't know how that was phrased. i think in general you hear this across the board inside the pentagon that they've had to cut corners because they haven't been funded at adequate levels. whether or not you can make a direct correlation between an incident happening, whether or not it's the failure to report
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or it's an incident like a crash in the pacific, in the western pacific, it's very difficult to make that directly and directly correlate that back and was there causation. you do hear quite frequently though and it's an argument why -- especially republicans are saying why you need to spend more for it on the pentagon. because if you don't, you're going to have these issues coming out. when you truth squad like you are on individual cases, it's very difficult to cause direct causation. >> the pentagon's doing an investigation. any idea how quickly they'll be able to conclude it and then make fixes to the system? >> no, because they don't know the scope of the problem. so they don't have a time line on it yet. they're looking at the backlog and trying to figure out how many of these cases should have been reported that maybe weren't reported and they don't have a handle on that yet. they simply aren't there yet. >> hans nichols at the pentagon, thank you very much. pete williams, thank you as well. and our other top story. president trump striking a more optimistic tone on north korea.
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no fiery rhetoric or calling kim jong-un rocketman. today, he hinted at diplomacy. msnbc senior national correspondent chris janicing is traveling with the president in seoul and steve clemens is a foreign policy analyst with the atlantic and an msnbc contributor. so chris, you were with the president. how is his rhetoric different? why is his rhetoric different now? and should we read into it, read anything into this greater than he's just there and that is what the moment called for? >> well, it's strikingly different, that's for sure. he said a lot of progress is being made in moving toward some sort of an agreement. he wants to make a deal with north korea. he didn't give any specifics, however, about what makes him so optimistic. look, he has struck a strikingly different tone. none of those provocation against kim jong-un. none of the talk about fire and
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fury. about how the united states could totally destroy north korea and obviously this is playing right into what the president here, president moon, wants to hear. he has been one of the most vocal proponents of diplomacy. when the two held a joint press conference, this is what president trump had to say. >> i really believe that it makes sense for north korea to come to the table and to make a deal that's good for the people of north korea and the people of the world. i do see certain movement, yes. but let's see what happens. >> what happens next is a very closely watched speech that's going to happen a little after 9:00 tonight in front of south korea's general assembly. talking to white house officials, they say that he is going to call on countries to rally behind the growing threat. posed by north korea.
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and he's made it clear he's making some moves in that direction. the other things president trump had to say and obviously he's going next to china where he's going to have that three-day summit and he'll talk directly with president xi. he was complimentary. he said they've been trying to help solve the problem. he also of course is going to have that meeting with president putin of russia when he goes to vietnam help says they can be a key player in all of this. now, having said all of that, the president is not without his commentary on u.s. military strength. he's already visited two military bases while here in asia. he talked about the unparalleled strength of this military. he gave a reminder that there are three aircraft carriers and a submarine that are in this area. so the real question that a lot of people here are asking is which of the president trumps is going to show up at the general assembly. will he maintain this more moderate tone throughout the course of this 12-day trip.
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cat katie, i've been talking about this. a local survey, two-thirds of the people here think donald trump is dangerous. so they obviously have a very clear stake as well as a clear concern about his trip here and whether or not he's going to be consistent and what he's going to say today. >> steve clemens, at the very least, this sis a momentary change in tone. who knows if will last beyond this asia trip or if it will even last while he's in china. but do you think that we should be reading into this in any way? >> well, think as you just laid out and chris laid out, you know, donald trump in a very unusual way is playing both his own good cop and his own bad cop. usually you have two people doing that. but this is the same person play both tones. and i think that what is important is that in this different posture and tone that donald trump has taken, remember, he called moon jae-in, the president of south korea, an
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appeaser. he called kim jong-un rocketman. all of that is gone. and he's begun to talk in ways that you and i have talked about before, recognizing that china plays a role, russia plays a role. just came out of japan. consulting and taking a more constructive tone with south korea. that that neighborhood unified together can actually create outcomes with north korea, that it couldn't be if they were all divided and saw the united states as weak and solvent and wobbly in the region. so to a certain degree, donald trump is at least hitting the right tone. we don't know whether when he comes back he will change this. there was one impish moment last night, i guess whatever time it was, it was 2:00 in the morning here, when he did a presser, where he actually talked about camp humphreys where u.s. forces are stationed and saying had he been the one to do that, he might not have put that much into it, that it would have been done cheaper and that base wases there to protect south korea and not really the united states. there was an impish moment where
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there was a division between south korea and the united states when his objective is to show we're joined at the hip. >> it's got to be somewhat confusing for these foreign powers, for south korea, for china, for japan. it's the same sort of thing he campaigned on. he would take all sides of the issue. he would be hard line on it, then the next day he would seem to soften his tone. it allowed a number of different sectors of the republican party and independents to decide what they liked about what donald trump was saying and then decide to cast their ballot for him. this is obviously a lot different. there are millions of lives at stake. if we go to war with north korea, especially if that war ends up being a nuclear war. and there's all sorts of talk about how that is a much more likely possibility than anyone really wants to admit right now. the likelihood of us at least doing a first strike. so when you're south korea, when you're japan, when you're china, which donald trump do you trust? >> well, right now, they're all trying to pretend and paper over
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the fact that there are deep divisions within the region. they're trying to pretend, as abe did in japan, that abe and trump are making the alliance great again. you had president moon last night saying that they -- that donald trump -- that he sees donald trump making america great again. this is silliness on one level because beneath it, there is profound doubt when it comes to kind of war and peace and what will drive the issue. and i think what donald trump is also doing over there with secretary of commerce rocss, th u.s. trade representative and others on this trip, is figure out if there's a trade path, which is what matters to a lot of these countries. the united states withdrew from the pacific partnership. that now the economic vectors in the region all towards china, away from the united states. that created immediate doubt. that's even before you get to north korea and these national security issues.
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that america gave away the game. and so that is the -- that is the arena of doubt that donald trump is swimming in right now. that's why he's spending 13 days in the region, to try to say no, this matters to us, my time matters to us and we're there. >> we're going to have more about this coming up at 2:00. i'll talk to nick christoph about the likelihood of war in north korea and where our pasture seems to stand, at least at the moment. also, how north korea might react to these differing versions of donald trump. in the meantime, chris jansing and chris clemon, guys, thank you. big developments in the russia investigation. a former trump campaign adviser describes his meeting with russian officials and would he told on the campaign about his trip to moscow. and we'll look at one of the most consequential races this election day. it is tuesday. the battle for virginia governor. will the political climate or campaign tactics be more powerful? let's take a look at some numbers:
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new developments in the russia investigation are raising new questions. we have new details on what former trump campaign aide carter page told the house yesterday about his connections to russia. page told committee he sought permission from senior campaign officials for his july 2016 trip to russia and reported to other trump officials about the trip when he returned. and nbc news has learned the special counsel now has enough evidence to bring charges in
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their investigation of former trump national security adviser michael flynn. along with michael flynn's son. lawyers for both of the flynns have declined to comment to nbc news. the special counsel spokesperson had no comment as well. and there was no comment from white house lawyer ty cobb. let's bring in nbc news national intelligence reporter and national security reporter ken delanian. also, the former acting director and nbc security analyst as well. the ranking member on the house intelligence committee was not happy with carter page and he spoke about it this morning. >> it was apparent right from the very beginning of the hearing that what carter page had been saying publicly was completely at odds with what he would later testify to and the documentary evidence that we were already in possession of. >> there was some contentious
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moments according to that transcript where schiff was pushing carter page on what he said and producing an e-mail, in effect, do you remember writing this. these contradictions and the e-mails they were in possession of, does that put page in any sort of legal jeopardy? >> i think it's certainly possible. carter page testified for five hours under oath for house committee without a lawyer. which is pretty extraordinary. and not generally recommended. and as you said, you know, he had to make some admissions that really contradicted his long-standing story that this july 2016 trip to moscow is a personal trip and entirely unrelated to the trump campaign. he appeared to assert the fifth amendment and not turning over certain documents to the house committee. it was very clear they had other sources for some of these documents and e-mails and, like you said, confronting him with e-mails that seem to contradict his statements and then getting acknowledgements out of him. where that leaves him legally is
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unclear. it paints a different picture of the moscow trip. >> the e-mails show he was in contact with campaign officials about the trip both before and after and those officials include lewandowski, hope hicks. correct me if i'm wrong, but corey lewandowski had always talked about this, but he said you can go, just so long as it's not a part of the campaign, correct? >> yes, and that is what carter page testified happened. but j.d. gordon told us this morning, told kacie hunt, that he tried to block this trip by page and thought it was a bad idea but carter page went around him to more senior campaign officials. as you said, lewandowski was on the chain, hope hicks was also informed. i mean, yes, they said it was a personal trip but of course the russians who are meeting with carter page in moscow knew he was a foreign policy adviser to donald trump -- >> so it didn't matter if he was saying i'm going on a personal trip. because he's associated with the campaign, he's going to make
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connections that he would not make on a -- i guess a holiday to moscow. >> i think that's fairly clear. and then he reported back to j.d. gordon and others with e-mails saying look, i've got some great insights with my meetings from russian legislators. he talked about the meeting with the russian prime minister who he said was very supportive of donald trump. clearly this was very much about the trump campaign. >> is it possible that he was just trying to oversell himself, ken, to the trump campaign? he was trying to get in? he was trying to gain a standing with them to impress them and this is a guy who was maybe sitting in his hotel room in russia as he claims and watching television and then coming back and saying i learned a lot from russian officials when he didn't actually talk to them? i mean, is that possible? >> of course, it's very possible. it's clear that carter page was a low-level figure. as you know better than most people, not a significant figure in the trump campaign. nor was george papadopoulos, who's now pleaded guilty and is
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cooperating with special counsel mueller. but what's clear is these were figures the russianings wes werg to co-op, trying to seduce, use them to infiltrate the campaign and they were in touch with more senior figures who knew about these russian contacts. that's what i find significant. >> talking about the senior officials, we're hearing jeff sessions name when we talk about carter paige and george papadopoulos. there are pictures with jeff sessions in the same room with papadopoulos. there's some news now that carter page may have had a conversation with jeff sessions about his trip to russia. when you hear his name come up in these con texts, does that raise any red flags for you and if so what kind of flags? >> well, it raises red flags in so far as clearly picking up on ken's last point, the russians were cultivating all of these people and trying to run them into the campaign in some way. that's the clear thing that comes through in what we've learned so far.
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and clearly one of the people they'd want to run them against or want them in the room with would be jeff sessions because of his role in the campaign and the likelihood that he was going to have, as he has acquired, an important position in the campaign. you know, i thought, particularly over last couple of days, carter page's testimony just drives this home for me, if i was writing a spy novel this is basically how i'd write it. this is how i'd write it. we haven't learned a lot yet about the american side but we've learned a lot about what the russians were doing. >> you'd be teasing it out so the readers would stay along, i presume. >> well, you know, this is classic stuff. the way the russians operate here is through a stage of recruitment that goes through spot assess develop recruit and report. it's what all intelligence services do. in the case of least four or five individuals, they went through steps one two and they were well into step three. people like donald trump jr., carter page, kushner, manafort to a degree, and then these people, interestingly, one of
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the things we've learned just in the last couple of days is a number of these people like manna afor manafort, papadopoulos, page, volunteered themselves to the campaign. if i were writing a novel here, i would say that's what the russianings would want them to do. spot them, assess them, get themselves to insert themselves into the campaign, and then see where it goes. so we're still learning a lot about the where did this go, what did the american side do, and one of the things we get from carter page is that in the case of corey lewandowski, well, actually, they started to play. >> yeah, and john mccain calls this a senty centipede with mor shoes to drop. we have nbc news reporting that says there is enough evidence for the special counsel to bring charges or to indict michael flynn, not that he necessarily
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is going to do it, but there is enough there. when you hear about that and you hear that this could go as far up as the national security adviser, how concerned would you be if you were at the white house? >> this is hugely important. hugely important. we you're ta when you're talking about paul manafort, interesting, but he wasn't sitting in on the most sensitive intelligence briefings. flynn was. and also i think if this turns out to be as the reporting indicates, it moves this whole thing closer to the president than manafort does or that papadopoulos does. because flynn of course was very close to the president and the president, recall, took steps with james comey to try and get the fbi to back off of flynn. so, you know, what i see mueller doing here is the classic fbi technique of moving in from the
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periphery and who's more on the periphery than page or papadopoulos, and important figures on the periphery now moving in, gradually tightening the net. when you get to flynn, you're getting into the inner circle. this would be hugely important if it turns out to be as reported. >> i will say this about paul manafort. he was there for a few months. donald trump and him didn't always see eye to eye. there was some attention between the two. when it comes to michael flynn, michael flynn traveled on that plane with donald trump during that campaign day in and day out. they were extraordinarily close. and then, again, as you said, he became the national security adviser and donald trump even spoke to james comey according to comey about potentially stopping the investigation into flynn. gentlemen, thank you very much for joining us. and we have some breaking news in the harvey weinstein scandal. a senior law enforcement official familiar with the new york investigation into weinstein tells nbc news
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manhattan -- the manhattan d.a. is planning to present a case to a grand jury starting next week. the d.a. tells nbc's new york affiliate that he cannot comment but, quote, we'll move as fast as he can to resolve the outstanding issues. nbc senior national correspondent kate snow joins me now with more on that one. kate, lay out what could be happening. >> we've known there was an investigation going on here in new york city. also investigations going on in the los angeles area and in london of harvey weinstein. this particular case in new york has to do with one woman who made charges that in 2010 harvey weinstein raped her twice. harvey weinstein, we should say, has denied allegations of nonconsensual sex. what you're reporting is incremental but significant, that they're going to take this now to a grand jury. as you know, grand jury can be the next step potentially toward an arrest and toward charges against harvey weinstein,
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criminal charges. >> cy vance came under a lot of fire for not bringing charges against him when there was that woman who was the nypd setup with the wire -- >> years ago. >> years ago. there was a moment where weinstein seemed to admit touching her in a way she didn't feel was appropriate -- >> right that audio came out in the new yorker. >> trying to get her into that room. he came under a lot of fire for that. looked as if cy vance was trying to cover this up. he obviously denied that. do you read anything into this news now that a grand jury might be called? >> well, we don't know what the case looked like, obviously, it's all very top secret, as you just said. vance was asked by our new york affiliate w nbc on camera whether he could comment on the investigation and just this afternoon said i can't comment, i can't comment, but we'll move as fast as we can to resolve outstanding issues is how he put it. we know there is a case file. we know that this one woman that i mentioned has made these allegations from 2010.
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that's within the statute of limitations. here you can do that based on that date. we don't know whether their case might include any others of the many women we're showing right now. these are all the women that have made public accusations against harvey weinstein. we don't know exactly what nypd has gathered who they've talked to who they interviewed, but we know they have. last week, the chief of detectives on friday acknowledged that they are building a case and trying to arrest him. and we believe he's in arizona but we don't know that for sure. >> there's also a lot of new developments from ronan farrow about how harvey weinstein tried to push back on this. i know you got reporting on that and we're going to get to it in the 2:00 p.m. hour. it's my other tease to stick with us for two hours today on msnbc. kate snow, we will see you in just a little bit. voters are heading to the polls in the highly anticipated virginia governor's race. a test of how voters feel about the president's performance.
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it's giving me i don't know chills. flashback, that's the word. it's being called a referendum on the trump presidency. voters in virginia head to the polls today to vote for the state's next governor. democrat ralph northa.m., the state's lieutenant governor, is facing republican challenger ed gillespie. most leading polls show northam with single digit leads. president trump in a series of tweets urged voters to turn out for the republican nominee. for more on what is at stake in this race, i'm joined by msnbc's garrett haake who is in northern virginia. what are you hearing? what's turnout been like? what do you think is inching on the other right now? >> hey, katie, so we're in fairfax county, typically a democratic stronghold. a place where northam needs to have essentially blowout numbers to have a good night here tonight. that's what democrats typically do. despite the cold and the rain there has been a pretty steady
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stream of voters coming to this polling place and one other we visited this morning. really all day long. and just anecdotically from talking to these folks, it does seem like northam may be getting some of what he needs here, particularly when i talk to some voters who say they were republicans once upon a time but they're voting for northam because they want someone who stands up to trump. that kind of nationalizing of this race is really what the ticket would like to see happen. take a listen to some of the folks we talk to this morning. >> i've been a republican my entire life. but i'm really scared for our country right now. >> i want to make sure my vote actually expressed my disdain and disappointment with our president. >> got a prediction for tonight? >> gillespie. >> you think so? >> yes. >> polls have shown it pretty close. >> did you see what happened last year with the polls? yeah. >> hear that last voter saying
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they don't really trust the polls. that's part of the calculus of why gillespie is still in this. he's got to get sort of mitt romney republicans for whom he was an aide and an adviser to trust him again here in northern virginia. i talked to him about this sort of dichotomy when he visited a polling place this morning, listen to that. >> you've got to have a good working relationship with the president of the united states and the vice president and the cabinet and i'll be able to do that. look, you know, if i'm elected today which obviously i hope to be, it will not be my job to be always for president trump or always against trump but to be always for virginia. >> and, katie, as you look at the polls, you see how close this is. gillespie in his last race in virginia ended up closing the gap down to a fraction of a point. so democrats aren't sleeping on this at all. polls open for about another six hours here in virginia closing tonight at 7:00 and we'll see
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those results start to roll in. katie. >> that is if you trust the polls. at least the pre-election day polls. i'm with that last woman you interviewed, garrett, i'm not going to trust anything till it's over and i see it happen with my own eyes. i don't believe in political gravity anymore. i don't know about you. garrett haake, we'll talk to you again in a half hour. and breaking news, meanwhile, on the suspect in the texas mass shooting. we're going to go live again to our justice correspondent pete williams for the latest. stay with us. last year, he said he was going to dig a hole to china. at&t is working with farmers to improve irrigation techniques. remote moisture sensors use a reliable network to tell them when and where to water. so that farmers like ray can compete in big ways. china. oh ... he got there. that's the power of and.
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we have breaking news on the suspect in the texas mass shooting. let's bring in justice correspondent pete williams. pete, what have you learned? >> well, this raises another question about whether there was another opportunity to put information into the system that would have denied devin kelley the ability to buy a gun. our affiliate in houston kprc has figured out that -- gotten a police report that indicates that devin kelley while he was still in the air force awaiting his trial on the charges that would ultimately resultness court-martial was apparently referred to -- we don't know if he was committed involuntarily, but was sent to a mental health facility near the base in new mexico according to the police report because he suffered from mental disorders and had been caught sneaking firearms on to
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the air force base and that he said he wanted to carry out threats that he had made on his military chain of command. so he was in the mental health facility, a behavioral health facility. he left that facility or in the words of the police report escaped and said he wanted to take the bus and leave the state. police were called. he was found at the bus station and turned over to local police. so a couple of things we learned here. one is more information about what was already a clear picture of somebody who had some very serious mental problems and problems with anger. second thing we learned is he was accused here of planning or claiming that he wanted to make threats against his military superiors and was trying to sneak guns on to the base. but then the other question is this. if he was, in fact, involuntarily committed to this mental health facility, then
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that could trigger yet another provision of federal law that denies people the ability to own a gun. the law says you can't have a gun if you were -- and this is the words of the law, adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution. so one question here is was he actually involuntarily committed and if so, should that information be put into the fbi database? we believe it was not because authorities said moments ago at the news conference there was nothing in the database that would have disqualified him from buying a gun. >> pete williams, thank you very much. >> you bet. >> in the years since president trump was elected, his first major legislative achievement remains elusive. how did democrats who crossed over to help vote him into office feel about this president? our own nicole wallace went around the country to find out. >> we as a country are making him look like an ass so he needs to try to defend himself.
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months later. nbc's host nicole wallace hit the road to talk to those voters. nicole, what did you find? >> there was a revelation for me. i was out on sunday and i went back to pa which is one of my favorite spots and talked to dave and judy who are two trump voters who were life long democrats. dave was a bernie sanders supporter and voted for trump. i pressed them on what they think we in the media are doing wrong. they think that we should cover up the instances in which trump looks bad. >> we have your package. i want to air it so we can hear directly from the folks you talked to. let's listen in. >> my grandpa and dad were union guys. >> the voters who shook washington. >> first time i voted republican in many years. >> former democrats, supporters
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of president obama, even first-time voters all crossing over one year ago helping to send donald trump to the white house. >> we all thought it was time to change. >> reporter: how do they feel n now. thousands of democrats help make donald trump the first republican. >> if you listen to talk radio -- >> i support them now more than ever. >> this is still trump country. >> he is doing it that way. >> a recent poll by a local university finds the president's approval is slipping. >> said six in every ten voters say they have an unfavorable opinion of him. >> i think there is a sense that he isn't doing what he said he is going to do. >> lisa adams saw strong support before election day. now she is seeing something
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else. >> i think policies are respected by people who voted for him but his behavior and all of those distractions make it hard for them to believe that he is really going to accomplish what he said he is going to accomplish. >> donald trump's approval rating dropped almost ten points since election day. why do you think that is? >> when we met judy phelps in january she was excited for the future. >> how did you feel on election day? >> this is wonderful. >> reporter: how can we forget this message for then president-elect. >> ingamg in your brain before it comes out your mouth. she still supports him but worries he didn't hear her advice. >> i was keeping fingers crossed. >> a little bit. >> it is getting worse and
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rougher. >> dave lock lost his job at general electric last year. he supported bernie sanders in the primaries but moved on to donald trump. >> we see what has happened with general electric where they are cutting way back. >> reporter: when trump campaigned here he spoke directly to dave and hundreds of other laid off ge workers. >> we are going to bring it back. >> reporter: a year later ge is shedding more than 500 additional jobs. dave has no regrets. we always see the harrison fords that play the president who is tough, punches the bad guy in the face. now we have one of those people and he is going to get things done and i think it is good cht. >> reporter: you were pretty critical of the president for some of the fights he was having right at about the 100-day mark. >> that fight is over. >> reporter: now he is fighting with members of his own cabinet,
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former presidents, republican senators. >> i think they would go away if we quit advertising them. we as a country are making him look like an ass. he needs to try to defend himself. >> do you think he does anything to make himself look like an ass? >> he helps, absolutely. maybe he is not doing it the protest appropriate way or with the most appropriate of words, but leave him alone and let him do his job and see what he can do. >> this is the sort of thing we saw during the campaign, as well, which is every single day if donald trump had done something we considered or people in big cities considered outrageous or breaking with taboos or just not of the decorum that we see from pa politicians people would bend over backwards to try to justify it or blame it on somebody else. that hasn't changed. the question is why hasn't that changed?
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why when that gentleman who last interviewed says yeah he does help make himself look like an as but ultimately it is us that need to take responsibility for feeding into that perception? why do you think that is? >> you know these voters. you know the daves and judys in every trump city because you were there. they want this so badly but it almost goes to the same place from which we want the bad boyfriend to be a prince. it is this deep desire, this deep investment in their own bet on him. they are so invested in his success that they want us to be a part of that, too. that force is pushing against the 67% of the country that is offended by him, that is terrified of normalizing like you said the sort of place wheres he breaks with tradition and decorum and it really is just this -- i grew up along the san andreas fault. it really is that tension that you see in every city in this
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country. >> and this is what i remind people, don't discount the devotion that trump voters have. don't believe just because it has been a tumulltuous year don't believe that those people are not going to go out and vote for him again. i want you to do these packages all the time. i really enjoyed it. come with me. >> i would love to. >> remember to watch deadline white house today at 4:00 p.m. eastern. it is a great show. stay with us.
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