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making any friends. >> it's easier to sit here and complain. it's easier to sit -- >> i don't have the money like you. >> i'm sure. i'm sure. easier to sit here and complain. you know what, that's the joy of public service. it is a serving folks -- it's serving folks. >> you were the one -- >> it's serving folks like you that is really such a unique joy. it really s. you are fabulous. any other questions. >> governor christie arguing with a voert. unclear what he was arguing about. i wish i heard her question. his approval rating 15% shoo before the 2016 campaign, before donald trump was serious about running, chris christie was going to be that guy, the one who was bombastic with reporters and with the public. >> i covered chris christie when i used to work at w nbc. and he's always been like that. >> totally. >> he will push back at you, scream at you in a news conference. >> i feel bad he missed his
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moment. >> he was donald trump before donald trump was donald trump. >> before donald trump came along and stole it away. >> before donald trump was in politics. >> ali very well she takes over. >> we are following alarming new details involving the shooter in the sutherland springs texas church shooting. we know that five years ago devin kelley once escaped a mental health facility in new mexico. we uncovered the police records. we will speak to the report who are broke the story in moments. at this hour, the fbi is trying the crack into devin kelley's phone for more clues. they have gott not been successful yet. they do say, however, just a matter of time. >> i can tell you we are still working on it. we have partners we work with on these things. i think it goes to complexity and how long it's going to take but we will get into that phone. >> we have a lot to get into. our team of reporters is in place to give you the latest on this. i want to talk more about the fbi database that the shooter
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should have been on but wasn't. hans nichols has stayed on this story from the pentagon. what is the air force staying about the information that they had on the shooter that somehow didn't make it into this database that should have stopped him from getting a gun? >> they had something simple, that is the general court martial order where he pleaded guilty to two assault counts. one of -- both from clearly domestic violence and that should have been transmitted to this national database run by the fbi. i've also got to tell you on the breaking news that we have out of our affiliate out of houston, a pentagon official is confirming the broad outlines of this story. let me recap the story. that is that the individual, mr. kelley was in a mental health institution off of the base. he escaped from that base. and on june 7th, 2012, he was picked up when he was behaving oddly. and there is a police report on this. he then goes into pretrial
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detention on june 8th, and is held in pretrial detention until he is sentenced on november 7th, 2012. so we have a sense now that he was in pretrial confinement for a good my months. then he makes these two pleas. then he is sentenced to a year in prison -- confinement, i should say. and that is done by a jury trial. that's the sentencing that's done there. we are learning a little bit more. but we do have it confirmed from a defense official that he was indeed seeking medical help and that he was in a mental institution and that he escaped from that mental institution. and then the very next day he was put into pretrial confinement. ali, one other quick point. the very fact that he was in a mental institution should have also been transmitted to the fbi. officials here are saying that that information was transmitted to the fbi, which means that the fbi's database should have had that he had this mental health block on his record.
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ali. >> hans, thanks very much for your continued research and reporting on this. hans nichols at the pentagon. i want to go to the story, the reporter who has been involved in the breaking this news on the shooter previously escaping a mental health facility. i'm joined on the phone by mario diez. he's an investigative reporter for our nbc station kprc in houston. he has helped break this news. mario, walk us through what you have uncovered. >> reporter: all right, what the channel 2 investigates team uncovered here this morning is that in june of 2012, june 7th, you had the shooter, devin kelley, who at the time was at a behavioral center, facility in new mexico, in santa theresa new mexico, the name was park behavioral health services. the el paso police department receives a call right before midnight on june the 7th stating
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that there was a person contacting them stating that they were concerned an individual appears to have then escaped from the health facility there. what happened was the el paso police department ends up connecting with this individual. we are not sure whether it was a counsellor or witness is advising him, obviously, someone who was acare of kelley and his track record. and what he informed officers on the scene and what officers learn from this individual was that he was in a behavioral center in new mexico, that in the past, according to him, he had posed danger to himself and others. he had been caught sneaking firearms on to holliman air force base, was was convicted of dairying out death threats on his military chain of command. the time line of this is interesting. this is june of 2012 this.
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comes after some of the incidents that have been reported here with regards to what he had committed to a child as well as to his ex-wife. this also comes five months to the day to the final signing of his divorce decree, which happened on november, 2012. >> we know from hans that the air force has figured out they didn't send appropriate information that would have stopped him from getting the gun. the final page of the report you are dealing with submits there was an entry in the national crime information center database. so this information the fbi should have had, is that right? >> it appears. they are trying to work it out because of the fact that -- what we are gather in talking to our people is that if there was a conviction it would have popped much greater, higher on the radar. because it was just a sirm report, hey we found this guy who was a member of the air pores who apparently went awol
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from a behavioral health center that wouldn't have that type of entry. >> doesn't have the same weight as a conviction. >> right. >> a complaint that goes before a judge or a jury and gets a conviction. >> no doubt. >> this is a police report. >> and the question, ali is why was he at this health facility? was there a preventive measure done by his team -- because we do know he accepted a plea with regard to some of the charges he faced from the military. was this a preventative measure by his team to perhaps light ten load when he went to court and accepted a plea. or was this instructed by the air force that he had to go there and check into the facility? >> what a remarkable story that is unfolding here. mario, thank you to you and your team at nbc affiliate kprc in houston for your great reporting. we learned that authorities are now trying to get into devin kelley's phone. i want to bring in pete
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williams, who is in washington. you know more about these things than i do, i would assume that in the case of a actual crime that authorities are able to get whatever technical assistance and provisions they need to get into the phone. >> not from the makers of the phone. this is big deal that changed in recent years. this was a big yang after for example, san bernardino when a telephone was found from one of the people who shot up the community center there. they recovered one of the phones and apple refused to open it. said they couldn't as a technical matter. and it took the fbi months to findly get into it after somebody came forward with a way to do it. here's the deal, ali. on these phones that require a code to open f the fbi can just try to keep guessing number combinations, depending on whether it's four or six numbers that can take longer. but if you input a sufficient number of wrong guesses it basically fries the phone's brain and you can never get into it. >> right.
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>> this has been a long standing problem for law enforcement and there are hundreds and holdups of phones in police and fbi crime labs that cannot be open. now i'm told that the fbi is somewhat optimistic they will be able to get into this phone. we will have to wait and see how that plays out. you might remember in the terror attack in new york, safullo saipov, they did get into his phone very quickly and got an amazing amount of information out of that. there is a reason for that. he failed to lock it, authorities tell us. i want to go back on a couple other points you have just been talking about. number one, yes it's true the police report says the information about kelley getting away from this mental facility was entered into ncic, the national crime information center. that's simply a missing persons report and that's not a qualifying factor for preventing buying a again. secondly, going awol would not be a disqualifier.
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the only thing that could potentially be a disqualifying factor out of this whole thing with the mental health facility is if he was involuntarily committed. under federal law, if you are involuntarily committed to a mental institution that fact is something that could diss disqualify you from owning a gun. hans says the fbi was told about that. but the fbi in texas says there is nothing derogatory in his background that would have prevented a gun sale. >> it's remarkable when you realize there are basic systems not in place to be able to get relevant information to relevant people. >> yes. and the other thing is when it things like men health it's complimented. >> because there are lots of mental health issues that would have nothing to do with your gun ownership or how safe you would be. pete williams for us from washington. new details coming out about the of the shooter are not comforting to the reeling commune of sutherland springs.
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marrian atencio has been there since the early hours of monday. she has been talking to people who lost friends and loved ones. what have you learned? >> reporter: ali, people here are just learning about kprc's reporting the fact that devin kelley escaped a mental health facility in 2012. it has been a hard pill for people to swallow here. also in the latest press release we learned that very few people in this church behind me were not injured or killed. if you put that next to this new information about the shooter, it just becomes incredibly hard for people to fathom here. you lived here most of your life. you knew people inside the church. i just told you this new information about the shooter you weren't aware of. how does that make you feel as local of sutherland springs. >> the fact it was a mental issue, i guess he shouldn't have
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had a gun at all. >> the fact this tragedy could have been avoided. >> uh-huh. >> tell me more about this community. how is sutherland springs dealing with this 48 hours later? >> the immediate family, of course they are hurting and we need to respect their wishes and give them their privacy. that's why you won't see them. and you may not see them at all. the rest of us are -- are numb. and then there are waves of emotion that come and go. realizing what's the reality of it all. >> the reality that is just incredibly hard. i can imagine. you told me that your family switched to evangelism but otherwise you would have been at this church. or dad told you, you could have been there this morning. >> we visit other chumps. we had went to visit the cowboy church. when we were driving by to get him to understand what was going
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on. he mentioned he had said yes he had thought about coming here this morning. and our -- you know a lot of the families are several generations that come to church here. >> you would have been seated there, you said, with your whole family. >> if we had not been called into evangelism, yes, of course, yes. >> final thoughts. how would you like the rest of the nation to remember this community. >> what else do you want them to know about sutherland springs? >> this -- this is a loving community. it always has been known for that. and the people are loving, very loving. but sutherland springs is known for healing, for the healing waters. and god is going to do something beyond what we can ever imagine. this will not be a community known for this tragedy but for what god is going to turn into something unimaginable, because god is not about hurting people. he's about healing. and the people that gave their
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lives up or that died, they won't be forgotten. and there's nothing -- they won't have died in vain. god's going to do something miraculous in this community. >> thank you so much for your time. a community known for healing, ali. officials here tell me they have set up a center of assistance for families. a sort of one-stop shop, if you will for families to heal and to recover. we know that will take an incredibly long time. >> it's hard to comprehend. being on this side now -- i was with you yesterday. looking at the scene, it looks like anywhere. it's hard to come prehelped that the four corners of the intersection you are in are central to community of 400 people many of whom know or have known each other through the generations of the to fathom the degree of death in a community that small, it's different. i don't wish to minimize any of these sorts of mass shootings,
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but that number of people in that small a town, i think people actually have trouble processing it. >> that's exactly right, ali. as we spoke about, 7% of the population gone in the blink of an eye. as sandra said it is a community known for healing and that is what this community will strive to do in the coming days, months, and years. >> mariana thanks for your great reporting, in sirtdland springs texas. right now a long time trump bodyguard and director of oval office keith shiller is testifying on capitol hill. he is being questioned behind closed doors about russia medaling during the 2016 election. also accepting into the spotlight is this man, carter page. he has a hat on. according to new transcripts from last week's testimony, page testified to the house intelligence que that several campaign officials knew about
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his trip to moscow in july 2016 including this man, jeff sessions. page also notified now communications director hope hicks, and sought permission from then campaign manager corey lewandowski. he claims lewandowski cleared the trip as long as it was not associated with the campaign. joining me now, former assistant attorney general for civil rights during president reagan's -- i'm sorry, during president ford's pardon of president richard nixon. his son serves on president trump's asian national security council and is currently overseas, an entirely different topic we don't have time to talk about now. but this guy, carter page, it's weird. if viewers are watching and saying i don't understand what carter page is what the deal is with him they would be right not to understand what carter page s. he was dismissed as
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unimportant, a volunteer, and now he keeps surfacing as a guy who had russia connections. >> the guy you have the most sympathy for in this situation is robert mueller and his staff. >> unbelievable. >> how do you figure out this stuff? it's very difficult to do. and there are things about this testimony that he made that are really funny. strange writing and strange testimony. someone who tries to say i'm taking the fifth amendment but i'm not ticking the fifth amendment. it's bizarre, and it's not easy for an investigator or a lawyer who is trying to investigate the fact to figure out how you get to the bottom of it. he's not talking. he has a right not to talk. as far as we know he's not talking. he might be talking partly and not the rest of way. >> he talks for a long time. there is a lot of testimony. he says lot of thing. he comes out to the media and talks a lot. but then he pleads the fifth on other things. he has not turned over all the documents that congress wants. but he seems to throw people under the bus a little bit from time to time. >> it's interesting about the
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fifth amendment. we have forgotten the lois learner case where she came on and was testify being the irs. >> right. >> whether she had abused their authority. and you may recall she took the fifth but not until after she had already started testifying. many people say i can't do that. and they put a lot of pressure on her possibly even to force her to testimony. now we have carter page who didn't remember that, saying i'll talk to you a lot but then when i don't want torque i think i'll plead the fifth. guess what. you can't do that. you either take the fifth across the board or you can't. so let's -- one thing that remains to be seen is whether there will be compelled testimony in this case. >> we can talk a lot about what he said and who he told he went to moscow. the one interesting thing to me is that people keep coming out and saying that attorney general jeff sessions who was a campaign person at the time was in the room, knew of this conversation. jeff sessions said when he was at his confirmation hearings -- he was very -- he was
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unequivocal about not knowing russians talking to russians, knowing anyone on the campaign talked to russians or had anything to do with russians. now there are ten people in the circle around donald trump who have previously undisclosed discussions or contacts with russians. >> and yet -- yet we still don't see anything that is more than raising questions. >> right. >> we don't have answers. >> absolutely. >> questions. questions, constant questions. in the case of sessions, context is everything. picture him sitting where you are, ali. >> right. >> and there are people all around him just as there are here on this set and saying this and that, and somebody comes up and say this guy carter page easy going to russia is that okay with you or what do you think of that? he says i don't know. what is he -- what is he doing, gossing to to see people and make a speech. sessions saying. >> you bring up a important point. if i was investigating this i would want the know if there was anything that resembled a chain
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of commands or a authority. if i were defending any of these people around trump i would say there wasn't. this seemed to be anybody telling anybody that they are doing? and nobody really being in charge of the whole thing. i don't know what the truth is. >> it almost is the best defense, isn't it? it's almost the gang that can't shoot straight. there are so many people who we have said -- we meaning commentators generally in the campaign who are not supposed to be there because it was a brand-new campaign. the never been ready, wasn't ready. accident have depth, no bench strength, et cetera. that may be true but then it's hard to say all these people were sfif kated enough to pull off some grand conspiracy with the russians. it's either one or the other. >> it's weird that nobody can come forward and tell us that they actually remember meeting a russian. >> nobody. >> i met a few pruns in my life. it stands out. i remember it. >> be careful. you may get a s&p. >> no kidding. stan, nice to see you, thank you. a senior law enforcement
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president trump continues his 11-day trip to asia and seoul south korea, but he is tamping down the fire and fury against neighboring north korea. listen to what he said during his joint news conference this morning alongside president moon jae-in. >> i really believe that it makes sense for north korea to
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come to the table and to make a deal that's good for the people of north korea and the people of the world. i do see certain movement, yes. but let's see what happens. >> all right. joining me now is nbc's kelly o'donnell. she's traveling with the president in seoul. kelly, this is important. it is a big deal. president moon, who has been president of south korea. he's a surprising new guy because the old president had to retire, had to resign under scandal. he has always favored negotiations with north korea or sort of a calmer approach. that has not been where president trump has been for several months of the now it seems they are coming together on this. >> well, a good wednesday morning to you, ali, from seoul, where it is already the start of a new day. and president trump's rhetoric has been dialed down. and there seems to be new eunty between president trump and
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president moon especially when you see the courtesies and the cultural gestures toward president trump from president moon trying to forge that relationship. the proximity to north korea, president trump is roughly 35 miles from the border, seems to have an inverted affect on the heat of his rhetoric. he so he has been much more subdued. sounding positive, talking about negotiation. at the same time stressing military deterrence, and emphasizing that south korea will buy billions of dollars of u.s.-made military equipment, and the assets he has ordered to be in the region, three aircraft carriers, a nuclear submarine as a show of strength. at the same time president trump is saying that this is about more than just the united states and south korea. and it needs to be a worldwide solution. so he's calling on china and russia. we know in a few days he will meet with vladimir putin at the apex summit in vietnam saying they need to do more. today the president will address the national assembly for south korea and pay his respects at
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their national cemetery. sort lying a state of the union and a visit to arlington. so there have been high level of courtesies exchanged here to try to emphasize the relationship. ali i'm sure you have been aware of a lot of discussion of trade. president trump leveraging south korea to reopen negotiations at a time when they need the united states for security. >> kelly, thanks very much, and a good wednesday to you. kelly o'donnell in seoul, south korea. joining me now is ambassador wendy sherman, msnbc global affairs contributor who served as undersecretary of state. wendy, good to see you. thank you for being with us. talk to me about your interpretation. is this a very big deal that president trump has tempered his comments on north korea? or is it the normal course of affairs, that he's there, he's had his fire and fury moment now, and he gets to say all right we've all yelled at each other. now it's time for us to think about possibly maybe
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negotiating. >> i think kelly put her finger on it as did you a little bit ali. it's like people who say before they go into the oval office they are going to tell the president really tough thing. then they get in the oval office, overtaken by the awe, and they don't do anything they plan to do. i think here the president understands he is in the neighborhood. he's in other people's countries. i think advisors have told him rightly to take down the language. frankly, what he has done in south korea is as much a message for china and russia as it is for south korea. i think president moop moon has worked very hard to say to president trump -- president moon jae-in has worked very hard to say to president trump we're in this together i'm there for you, i believe in dialogue but will also make sure these sanctions are enforced. we will do these exercises together, i believe in deterrence. i think president moon has done
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the right thing on this trip, but i think the pre of the united states is really speaking to people outside of korea as much as he is speaking to the people in his national assembly speech yet do come this morning korea time. >> weapony when is the real work to be done here? is it here in south korea and talking with moon jae-in or the japanese prime minister? or is it when the president goes to china? because china is still the most influential third party in this matter. >> absolutely. 80% of what north korea gets, they get from china. they get a little bit from russia. and russia has probably helping them some on the internet side, custom is also a danger point we don't talk enough about. there is also their biological weapons. the president wants china to ratchet up the pressure on you can no. i think at the same time the
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president is saying he is open to negotiation. i was in moscow a couple weeks ago on non-proliferation conversation. the north koreans sent a delegation there. unusual to be in a multilateral setting like that. although madam che spoke very tough it sounded to me like she was setting up the potential for a energies. >> we leave this conversation with a little bit of hope. ambassador wendy sherman, happy to see you, she served as upped seth of state for john kerry's state department and policy coordinator under president clinton. coming up, it's election day. there are fascinating races. one of them in original is. it's coming down to campaign tactics versus the political mood. i'm joined by tom perez on the implications today's races could have on the democratic party and its hope for 2018.
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virginia and the candidate in new jersey are leading in the polls. i want to bring in steve kornacki and garrett haake who is on the ground in burke, virginia. steve, let's start with you. let's lay this out. >> i mean, look, bottom line is there has been a lot of polls. i know a lot of people get queasy when they see polls. they say last time they were wrong. what good are they now. look, i can tell you, we have had a dozen in the last week this race. they have consistent. ralph northam, a democrat with a small lead. it would be surprising if gillespie won. but northam goes in with a lead in the polls. this is the clinton/trump race. s that state that hillary one, it has been trending democratic. donald trump's approval rating isn't that great.
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a lot of ingredients democrats think puts that area in their favor. these blue counties are outside washington, d.c. cross small geographically but giant in terms of population. 25% of the state, 25% of the vote coming out of here. here's the issue, this is a place that went very, very hard against trump. you got gillespie, the republican, running on this trumpism cultural issues, immigration, confederate battle statues, that sort of thing. this is the area where gillespie riffs getting a trump level here. he has to do a little better to get a win up here. he has to do better than trump. the flip side is with that emphasis on cultural issues that gillespie has, he is looking down here. surl virginia, southwest virginia, you are looking at places here where donald trump was getting 75, 80% of the vote. that was -- this is always republican, at least in modern times. but it got really republican with trump. what gillespie is going for is trump level down here, but he's
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got to avoid that trump backlash he had in the suburbs. very tough to pull off. >> and let me go to garrett for a second. garrett, a lot of voters, particularly democratic voters can be forgiven for having some flashbacks to a year ago. what is the energy on ground for democrats looking like? >> up here in fairfax county, one of the blue counties, democratic voters i was talking to are looking forward to the opportunity to vote against donald trump again. remember, as steve said, this is a place that hillary clinton carried heavily. a lot of the voters i talked to, it's not just that they like ralph northam who they like fine, but i'm talking to a lot of folks who see this as an opportunity to vote against donald trump again and make virginia a blue state for the second time in just a year. listen to one voter who i talked to a while ago who i think sort of encapsulates this. >> i am very much against donald trump and everything he stands
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for. and i think a vote for the republican ticket is a vote for donald trump. i think ed gillespie is following his playbook and turned on the back of what he's done before. >> and ali, that goes exactly to steve's point. ed gillespie used to have the perception that he was sort of a moderate mitt romney type guy that could do reasonably well in this area. for every voter that he adds in south virmg running on cultural issue he poe tlooengs tensionally turns off a northern virginian who is more moderate on other issues. it is a tight needle he has to thread. >> steve kornacki, let's talk about new jersey. chris christie on his way out with some of the lowest popularity numbers that state has ever seen. what is it looking like there? >> not as suspensiful. doesn't look that way in new
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jersey. you have got an open seat with christie being term limited. guadagno has three thing going against they are. new jersey is blue state to start with. two, chris christie's approval rating is under 20%. that is toxic. and number three, donald trump, the president, his approval rating here is somewhere in the low to mid 30s. the expectation here is that murphy is going to win. i will say democrats were hoping a month or two ago this could be 20 points or so. the margin has tightened a little bit but certainly doesn't look like it's going to get close enough to make this thing that competitive tonight. but i'm afraid to say anything is definitive after last year. >> remarkable in that race and in the debates both candidates trying to paint the other as being allied with chris christie. >> yeah. no. guadag guadagno, chris christie picked her.
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chris christie picked her eight years ago. kim guadagno now doesn't want to say his name. >> and phil murphy wants to say this is the chris christie pick. >> thanks guys. turn it to mtp daily tonight where we will break down the first exit polls. it's impossible to overstate how important the elections are for democrats nationwide after a string of high-profile losses in special congressional elections throughout the country, the party is trying to build momentum going into 2016. i want to bring in a man who has a lot riding on tonight's elections. dnc chair tom perez. easy the former labor secretary. now he's heading the dnc. tom good to see you. >> always good to be with you. >> it's been a tough running your time at the dnc. it's been a time of rebuilding. we saw donna brazilee's book, which seams to imply there are high jinx at the party which
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never go over well with the rank and file. where do you evaluate the democrats to be nationally right now. >> you look at what we have to do. it's about rebuilding, modernizing and it's about winning. what we've been able to do is invest in organizing. we lost our commitment to sustained organizing everywhere. we didn't do that well. we have redoubled those efforts. and we have seen success in places like oklahoma, where we won three special elections earlier this year and beat red districts because we had good candidates, boots on the ground, and we were talking about the issues that people cared most about. other similar victories in other special elections. when ear doing, the new democratic national committee we are all about helping to elect democrats up and down the ticket from the school board to the senate. i have spent the last few days, 700 miles of driving in virginia. and the energy is palpable. and what we've done there with our investment is all about putting boots on the ground. organizers partnering with the
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house of delegates candidates, and steve kornacki was going over the board. >> yeah. >> i think one x factor tonight to look out for is there are 88 democrats running for house of delegate seats. >> yes. >> in the past four cycles or so, ali, we've only had 45 or so running. so we've basically handed the other seats to the republicans. we have got a spectacular stable this time around of 88 candidates. and that is going to help people up the ticket. because i think ralph northam and justin fairfax and mark herring, they are a tremendous ticket. and assisted by the other candidates down ballot. >> let me ask you this, donald trump won because people didn't think parties and establishment worked for them. we saw that bernie sanders gained steam from a lot of people who otherwise weren't involved with parties and didn't feel that the structure supported the ideas we really needed to bring in.
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you yourself have been a labor organizer. you are one of these people who has had a career where you are close to regular people. but a lot of those regular people don't think the big tent moderating force of the party is useful to them today. how do you get the democratic national committee and the democratic party to connect with the remarkable energy in this country particularly of people had are very frustrated or frightened by donald trump? but look at the party and say you are a bunch of stall warts, a bunch of people who have been there too long. there is criticism about the age of the people running the party in congress. how do you make it feel new and energized? we have got to lead with our values. that's what we've done. we have been out there in virginia and new jersey talking about the issues that matter most to people. i hear it from voters all the time from virginia and new jersey. i need that health care. i have a relative who has an opioid addiction and donald trump wants to take it away. and he had gillespie is a donald
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trump clone. i need to expand medicaid in virginia. we need to make sure we have good jobs for tomorrow. and terry mccull off has ushered in 3.7% unemployment. let's keep moving in the right direction. >> that's a good one. health care is a good one. the value that many democrats put forward is a system of universal health care. bernie sanders and team, and it seems to be a large team of democrats, have now embraced in medicare for all idea, which is not just universal coverage. it's actually like a single payer system. is that an embrace of the values? because some people say democrats are going to scare people away by having gone that far down that road. >> democrats believe that health care is a right for all and not a privilege for a few. and we are 90% of the way there thanks to barack obama and the affordable care act. we have got 10% of the way to go. and you know what, i don't know how we'll get that final 10%.
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there are a number of different ways to go. senator sanders has one idea. other democrats have others. about you the fact that we have unity on the issue of the fact that health care should be a right for all and not a privilege for a few, and the fact that we shun be moving the clock back for people, which is what the republicans are trying to do, that to me, our unity -- the health care debate that we have been having is a perfect example. our unity against the repeal of the affordable care act was not only our best weapon. it was essential. >> right, so. >> that is an example. >> how do you take that energy and figure out that you are going to have a leading voice as opposed to a bunch of disparate voices. i know you think the disparate voices work their way up and that's what you end up with as a candidate. but you have donald trump, as unpopular as he may be, he has a core of support that sticks with him. how do you generate that in the democratic part? dauf your eye on a group of
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people or a particular leader moving forward? >> i see leaders everywhere. frankly, i think some of the biggest leaders have been women who helped rally this nation in the aftermath of january 20th. i get asked a lot about who is going to be our stannard in 2020. they are many who will move forward. i see it every day. i see it in virginia, new jersey. >> i guess we have to hope they don't read donna brazilee's book and think that if you are not part of the anointed you don't get to run. >> i spent a lot of time on the trail this week. i didn't hear one thing about her book. what i heard is we have got fight to take back america, take the fight to donald trump. we have got to elect healers like northam instead of dividers like gillespie. we have got to put murphy into the dorch's residence because phil is going to have
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everybody's back. that's what i'm hearing. people are focused. go back the virginia. in the primary there was a spirited debate. the media wanted to write a persony hillary redo story and frankly it got it wrong because there was a sirte spiritsed debate among two candidates who agree on just about everything. at the end of that debate there was record turnout in the democratic primary. contrast that with the republicans where gillespie won by one possibility. there was dissension his opponent said, and i quote, i don't believe in unity. you kind of got that story wrong. what i have seen in virginia throughout the primary election and every day since is democrats coming together because we understand that what unites us far exceeds what our differencesdifferences are. >> having that diversity of opinion feeling like it is a big voice during the -- you know, as the process rolls on. >> sure.
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>> tom, thank you for being with me. good to see you. tom perez is the chair of the democratic national committee and the former labor secretary of the united states. >> he we continue to look at what has changed in this administration and what hasn't. "vanity fair" has a new article on what is going at the department of agriculture. the usda reports the trump administration was slow to coordinate with the department during the transition and there was focus on climate change. one trump team member reportedly told people in the deputy to stop using the phrase. just going to let that sink in for a second. we reached out to the usda about all of this. they said the initial reporting is false and that the transition team members were frequently at the usda. they also say at no time was a directive issued to bar the use of climate change language and any assertion to the contrary is false.
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no one disputes that the climate is changing. as it has been for millions of years. that's the catch phrase. don't blame me, the earth has been getting hotter for millions of years. that must mean it's not because of what we do. this is the crazy part of this discussion. but i'm not that's what's so crazy about this discussion. he's a contributor for "vanity fair," plus money ball and the big short and a bunch of other remarkable books. michael, i don't even know where to start. who gains, other than an oil company or a coal company, what do you gain for denying climate change or saying nonsense like it's been going on for millions of years. >> i think the basis of it is an oil company or a coal company, you're throwing sands in the works to move away from fossil fuels to other things. it's so funny to have them say such a thing.
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all you have to do is go on the guardian website and you can see emails telling people not to use the phrase climate change. so, why do they care so much about it? i think it came from the top down, because it wasn't just the department of agriculture. >> we have been hearing this across the government. >> i had the same experience when i was meeting with people from the department of energy. in most cases the one person who rolls in to be the transition team kind of weeks a s after t election, he had for a list of anybody who's had to do with climate change research or climate change policy meetings, it was kind of a witch hunt for anyone who was working in the area. clearly what they were doing when they came in was scare off government employees from the science. >> which is doable. the government is not the
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highest paid people in the world. they have the security of working for the government. when they get word that your boss is not going to like it, do your job, don't worry about climate change, it can have a real impact. >> we all talk about the bureaucracy, because it's there for a reason. >> and there's no up side for being great things, you just get punished horribly if something goes wrong. >> the man whose name was in consideration for the chief scientist of the u.s. department of agriculture, sam clovis. >> trump nominated him for this position. so this job chief scientist, is not a trivial job. >> for the department of agriculture, i mean food is our biggest challenge of the next century. >> food among other challenges and he's to dispense $3 billion in research grants every year to
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determine the course. >> which means he has to choose? >> he has to choose which scientific research is word funding, he replaces kathy witokei. she was a serious agriculture skcientis scientist. this guy, who trump puts in to replace him is essentially a right wing radio host. >> and not a scientist at all. you really can't call me msnbc's chief scientist, because i have no science background? i last took science in high school. >> he's a trump crony. >> there's jobs all over the government for people like that. >> it's a job where you don't need to know anything. but why put him in this job? i mean the answer is only -- there may be a couple of answers to that, but one of the answers is you want to politicize the
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science. >> you're so good at making that accessible to real people, this one shouldn't even be a thing. this shouldn't even be a problem that we're discussing. you and i are wasting valuable time because we have to talk about stuff like this. >> they should not be giving me the quality of material they're giving me. >> next time make michael lewis work for it. michael lewis good to see you as all. mike lewis is the author of "the undoing project." now the gop is in the last phases of a ground breaking tax reform. how do the changes stand in this make or break week? ♪
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they are full steam ahead on this process, the house markup is supposed to go until thursday. they want to vote next week, and there's going to be a lot of kind of behind the scenes back and forth. there could potentially be hiccups. it sounds like increasingly it's likely that they may try to add a repeal of the obamacare insurance mandate to the house leader of the bill. leaders in the house don't think it will cost them any votes and it causes a problem here in the house side. they don they don't think they can get it through on the house side. right now, i think the feeling is this is on track, it does not feel like the health care bill, where it was unclear that anything could happen. the senate is a little bit more uncertain. we're set to see a bill late this week, and they're going to
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start marking theirs up next week, so it all could go to a vote before thanksgiving, actually. >> casey hunt in d.c. that does it for me, headline white house with the nicole wallace starts right now. hi, everyone, it's 4:00 in new york, it's listen almost exactly one year since donald j. slump won the presidency and the russian contacts with trump campaign officials is becoming clearer by the day. one more new revelation about contact with russians and the widening circle of trump age who knew about them. we're learning now carter page who trump himself described as a former campaign adviser told his colleagues during the trump campaign about his contact with russians, those


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