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we're going to bangladesh and a story we've been following on this show. a 4-year-old rohingya refugee who fled myanmar two months ago with thousands, this week the u.n. security council called on myanmar to stop its military campaign against the muslim minority group. the french ambassador calling this one of the worst humanitarian crises of our time. the photographer here for reuters. and thank you so much for watching this hour of msnbc live. right now more news with my colleagues ali velshi and stephanie rhule. >> always good to see you these days in the morning. we'll see you later today. good morning, everyone. i'm ali velshi. >> and i'm stephanie rhule. people voted yesterday. let's get started. >> we are back by popular demand. >> a very, very good morning for democrats. >> this is voters' first strong rebuke of president trump. >> virginia has told us to end the divisiveness that we will not condone hatred and bigotry
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and to end the politics that have torn this country apart. >> trump tweeted, quote, ed gillespie worked hard but did not embrace me or what i stand for. >> in new jersey, another big win for democrats. >> new jersey sent an unmistakable message to the united states. we are better than this. >> donald trump was undeniably on the ballot in a number of races. >> the nation's first openly transgender elected official. danica roan knocking off one of virginia's most prominent social conservatives. >> who's ever needed someone to stand up for them when they didn't have a voice of their own because there's no one else who is with them. this one's for you. >> and it all comes exactly one year after the president was first elected. >> north korea is not the paradise your grandfather envisioned.
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it is a hell that no person deserves. do not underestimate us and do not try us. >> the president attempting to pull off a surprise visit to the dmz. bad weather forced to abandon the mission. >> reaching out to democrats over the gop tax plan. calling 12 senate democrats from overseas telling them my accountant called me and said you're going to get killed in this bill. >> over the dysfunction in the senate. >> all right. democrats waking up to the hope of a major political comeback this morning. one year to the day after donald trump's stunning election as president left that party dejected and demoralized. >> hoping, but no victory laps just yet. in the first senate elections since the 2016 election, democrats won up and down the
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ballot in hotly contested races. the big wins coming in virginia and my home state of new jersey with victories also in washington, new hampshire, maine, and georgia. as nbc first team puts it in perspective, it was a crushing move across the country. was it the trump effect? and what does it say about 2018 and more importantly 2020? >> let's find out. let's break down what happened first of all in the swing state of virginia. ralph nor tham beat ed gillespie for governor by nine points. this was the biggest gubernatorial win in this state since 1985. doesn't stop there. virginia democrats also swept the races for lieutenant governor, attorney general, and they took ten delegate seats. they've got a shot at winning control of the house of delegates now. the richmond times dispatch called it, quote, a tsunami election. according to nbc news exit polls, half the voters in virginia said that trump was a factor in their vote and they
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oppose the president by a 2-1 margin. 34% oppose. 16% support. in the new jersey governor's race. democrat phil murphy beat republican kim guadagno. by 13 points. the exit poll shows that 63% of new jersey voters disapproved of the way donald trump is doing his job. it's also noteworthy in new jersey that the outgoing governor chris christie had the lowest popularity rates they've seen in that state for a very long time. in washington state, democrats appear to have won control of the state senate in a special election by winning just one seat. political newcomer manka dhingra led by double digits. in new hampshire, joyce craig will become the first woman mayor of manchester beating out ted gatsas. so it was a good night all
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around for republicans. >> no, it wasn't. >> for democrats. >> there you go. >> whatever. i had a 50% chance of being right. right? either republicans or democrat hs a really good night last night. >> joining us now is garrett haake also along with cnbc editor at large john harwood. garrett, you say moderate republicans are panicking. what's the reaction on the hill today? >> reporter: well, that's not the reaction i'm hearing from senate republicans who've been trying very hard to put a fence around these races last night and say, look. new jersey's a blue state. they shouldn't be surprised about that. virginia is trending increasingly blue. so they're essentially trying to down play the results we've seen. but when you start talking to folks about the results in these down ballot races. virginia house of delegates. folks winning in places where democrats just don't win in the old dominion. they acknowledged there is this burst of energy on the democratic side. and it's going to be challenging
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for their candidates particularly in places that democrats have traditionally won. so if you look ahead to 2018, you might be seeing places like michigan and pennsylvania. and places trump made competitive in 2016 all of a sudden looking a lot more complicated. on the house side, you did hear one sort of moderate republican scott taylor from virginia say, look. some of this goes to the president. he's got to tone down his language and rhetoric or it's going to be very difficult for republicans next year. history has sort of repeated itself in virginia where they go to the party out of power. and i think a lot of people are waiting to see how far down this can project if it goes all the way into 2018. >> picking up on that point, what's scott taylor said, you wrote today that voters just raised massive red flags for the gop's agenda which hadn't had smooth sailing until now. we also saw maine approve medicaid expansion in a rec
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referendum going against its republican governor. more importantly across the country now for republicans who are now in some ways thinking that they're freer to break from the president's message? >> well, first of all on health care the fact that maine expanded medicaid by referendum, the fact that virginia has a chance now especially if democrats win the house of delegates to break through and expand medicaid there, that would take it to 33 states further entrenching obamacare. on taxes, what you saw is the big nor tham victory in virginia was fueled by high income suburbs outside of washington with a lot of white college educated voters who went overwhelmingly or much more strongly than they typically have for ralph northam. that sends a dangerous message for republicans who represent suburban districts in states like others to back away from that tax bill. especially, stephanie, because
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many suburban republicans -- upscale suburban republicans would face tax increases from the republican bill. >> correct. i'm going to take the other side though and we could potentially see the state and local go away. we know how opposed it is. but could last night's big democratic win only fuse republicans together to force tax reform through even if they moderately oppose it. they've got to get a win here. if they don't get a win on the board, it looks like 2000 whatever year we're in, 17? >> we're in 17. no major legislation at all. >> well, you can't rule that out, stephanie. that's the argument that republican leaders are making. here's the challenge with the argument though. you've got a party that now has a deeply unpopular president with an increasing number of republicans speaking out against the president. and now many of those suburban republicans seeing that he's toxic in their districts.
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what passing tax reform on a partisan basis requires is maximum party unity. they don't have that right now. and president trump fueled this unity after this election going after gillespie in defeat. so it is -- look. it's not impossible that they can do this. but if they did get rid of -- that's going to make the bill expand the deficit more. make it more difficult to get through senate rules. mean that the bill is going to increase the deficit in ways the deficit hawks are going to have. >> that's going to be the problem, garrett. >> john doesn't know when you disagree with me on the show, we're going to stop asking you questions. >> john, hold on a minute. garrett, to that point, john's point is valid. that if this thing becomes more
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shall we say liberal or progressive, this tax bill which means giving those state and local tax deductions back to blue states where they don't have republican senators, that's not going to help the fiscal hawks on the republican side. >> fiscal hawks have thrown that out the window. they need a win. >> no. that's exactly right. when it comes over to the senate. that $1.5 trillion price tag isn't just a goal, it's a ceiling. that's what they have to keep the price tag under if this is going to comply with the senate rules that let republicans pass this with just 50 votes. so the shell game essentially, the moving and the sliding of the money here to keep that total under $1.5 trillion gets important when you move to the senate side. on the state and local fax deductions, look. this bill has been out for a week now and we've only seen six republicans in the house from the high tax states saying they will vote against it because of this. that's not enough to stop it. republican leadership feels that only six republican house
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members are going to vote against this on the issue and maybe that's the total no vote, they may feel they don't have to address this at all because they can afford to lose six votes. they cannot afford to make this priced out of passing the senate. that's the bigger part of turning this into law. >> john, you can come back into the show if you want. >> nope, not today john. i thank you both for joining us. msnbc's garrett haake and cnbc's john harwood, our dear friend. thank you, guys. >> if i disagree with you, do i also have to go off the show? >> i've been trying to get them to put wheels on his seat for weeks so i can push him off. >> but they did put a lever on the seat so you can do this to me. >> let's keep it like that. also one of the big stories i want to focus on from election night. danica roem. she beat out bob marshall. she's held that seat for 26 years. >> that's not the most interesting part. the irony in this win is she
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beat the guy who proposed the anti-transgender bathroom bill. he also describes himself as virginia's chief homophobe. >> so he lost last night. virginia what is it? for lovers? virginia didn't love that. also elected to virginia's house of delegates, chris hurst. he beat out joseph yost. >> his story is extraordinary. chris was a local tv news anchor whose girlfriend i'm sure you remember this was shot and killed while reporting live on television. and get this. the republican he defeated has an "a" grade from the nra. coming up later this hour, baer going the talk live to the newly elected chris hurst. >> and joining us now on set, of course -- >> the newly elected mayor or mayor to be of hoboken, new jersey. he is the first sikh mayor elected in new jersey beating out five other candidates in the race. he won last night despite this.
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check out this ridiculous flier conducting him to terrorism. it was altered to look like it came from his opponent who strongly condemned the fliers. mayor elect, good to see you. congratulations. >> thank you for having me. >> this was no the only election in new jersey where we had these unidentified, false fliers that had racist overtones. in one area it was to make new jersey great again or something like that. >> in edison, new jersey, which has a huge indian population. >> you know, these fliers as reprehensible as they are are not reflective of the state of new jersey or the city of hoboken. >> absolutely not. >> we're a very diverse and welcoming community in hoboken. i'm honored and privileged to serve as the next mayor. i want to send the message that's not what hoboken is about. that's not what new jersey is about. >> we know that the sikh community has been targeted
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since 9/11. we remember president trump himself saying that there were muslims cheering on the roofs of buildings right after 9/11. we know that's absolutely not the case. but what has it been like for the last few years for you and what drove you to run? i mean, just a week ago when we saw the terror attack right here in new york city in tribeca and that terrorist was from patterson, new jersey, there was a lot of fears from the muslim community there would be a backlash. >> yeah. it's a very different environment right now. and a lot of minorities are under assault. my campaign was based upon local issues. improve infrastructure, protect ourselves from the next superstorm sandy, fiscal responsibility, the basics. so it's important to step up and
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stand up. >> i just want to say that. obviously sikhs are not muslims. >> good point about the fear that people have of those who seem to be different. i mean, the sikh community in america has been here in some parts for over a hundred years. >> correct. >> they were involved in the building of the railway out west. but you were no particular stranger to politics. one of the things in this paralyzed federal government that we're talking about is that more is falling to states and local municipalities to get things done. people actually like the relative lack of politicalization and fact people like you have specific policies to get done. what kind of things are you most looking to get done in hoboken? >> first focusing on the basics i just mentioned. but you're absolutely correct. with the national -- in washington, d.c., with, you know, the administration. the governors of the states and the mayors of cities to really be at the front lines of defending our rights as
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citizens. so, you know, we are a welcoming community. we're very diverse. we want to work with washington, d.c., with the administration. but if there's ever an instance where the citizens of hoboken or people of new jersey have their rights under assault, it's our obligation to defend and protect them. >> very good, sir. thank you very much for joining us. >> new jersey and you, perfect together. >> you new jerseyans taking over. good to see you. >> the first sikh mayor in hoboken history. our other big story today, president trump is in china. coming up, he's set to formally meet with china's president today. arguably the most powerful man in this visit that he's making. why china matters so much to the united states not just in terms of national security but to you as well. >> and the late show's stephen colbert joked about the visit last night. here are the highlights. >> it's tough for trump to be overseas because that's where all the foreigners are.
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welcome back to "velshi & rhule." president trump is expected to step up the pressure on china
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over its ally north korea in formal meetings with the president xi jingping today. >> issued a stern warning to north korea. he spoke before north korea's national assembly in seoul which is just 35 miles from north korea. >> the regime has interpreted america's past restraint as weakness. this would be a fatal miscalculation. do not underestimate us. and do not try us. i also have come here to this peninsula to deliver a message directly to the leader of the north korean dictatorship. every step you take down this dark path increases the peril you face. >> meanwhile, north korean
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officials were reportedly watching his address closely telling cnn, quote, we don't care about what that mad dog may utter because we've already heard enough. earlier in the day, president trump tried but failed to visit the demilitarized zone dividing the two koreas. white house officials say the president's helicopter turned back because of the dense fog. it was the surprise attempt despite one senior administration official previously calling such visits, quote, a bit of a cliche. i'm speaking about sarah huckabee sanders. >> do you think they didn't know that mattis' nickname was mad dog? maybe they were talking about the secretary? anyway. when president trump meets with the chinese president, he's once again going to be alongside one of asia's most powerful leaders. china. it's a big country. population of $11.4 billion people. donald trump has been known to compliment and criticize china.
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he's raged about the, quote, rape of the u.s. economy and what he calls the theft of american jobs. how much of that is actually true and why does it matter? let's take a look at trade. this is the big deal. trade between china and u.s. is estimated to be worth $648 billion last year. that makes china our number one trading partner. so far this year, u.s. exports to china totaled $91 billion. that's a 15% increase from the same time last year. good, right? well, take a look at that. $91 billion. this is what china sells to the united states. $365 billion. that's four times what the united states has made. it's all contributing to america's trade deficit. when you buy more than you sell, you have a trade deficit. despite the president's vows to narrow the gap between this and that. >> -- have to remember so different from a budget deficit. when xi jingping went to mar-a-lago in the spring sitting
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next to ivanka trump the same day she got approvals for trademarks in china. he said there would be a hundred day review led by wilbur ross on that hundred day review. we never heard about it again. >> china sales to america are higher than they were. and partly -- >> we sent more beef after. >> china is the world's factory. it pumps out disproportionate shares of all sorts of things. iphones come from china. clothing comes from china. seafood. christmas lights as you're getting ready to, you know, color up your house. this stuff. everything. 60%, 80% of what you buy at walmart coming from china. >> you know who manufactures clothes in china? >> the trumps. >> correct. >> there's also national security by the way. china has the world's largest military. it seems key to solving the north korean crisis. china is also north korea's main ally. some willingness to condemn its
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neighbor but done little to rein north korea in. and kwun of china's strongest alliances is with russia. they follow the lead on votes at the united nations security council. president trump's visit has brought other issues into the spotlight from climate change to human rights violations. china is e the number one green house gas emitter in the world. but it remains in the paris climate agreement. only america is not in the paris climate agreement or is pulling out of it. >> and china is actually addressing it. china is saying we have it, we own it, let's do something about it. and we're going in reverse. >> that's right. china is trying to contain it. for decades, by the way, china has come under fire for forced labor and as we know it continues to suppress free speech. so china does have some real human rights problems. what all this comes down to is money and power. china is so big and rapidly
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changing that its actions ripple around the world. it's china that determines the price of the things we buy, what we earn at our jobs in some cases and even the quality of the air we breathe. china's rise on the global stage has shown many of its allies that it can be -- and this is important -- it can be a stable alternative to the united states. it's problpositioning china to as the leader. >> you said something so important there. china being a manufacturing force absolutely affects what we get paid for our jobs here. >> right. >> companies can have corporate tax reform, they can have tax cuts. but you haven't seen wage increases in a significant way. >> manufacturing jobs go to china or other places. >> correct. and as long as companies can manufacture overseas where labor is cheaper in places like china and we mentioned ivanka trump. we reached out months ago to her company and they said we have to focus on the bottom line. right now we don't have plans to
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manufacture anything here. why? because it's cheaper to manufacture in china. that's not changing. remember the president had been calling china is currency manipulator during the campaign. then the decided, oh, forget it. they're not. you know why? they're not. >> yeah. all right. stand by. right now on capitol hill, senators are grilling current and former executives from equifax and yahoo on how billions of user accounts were compromised. we'll have the latest on the hearing and how they could have an impact on the rest of your life. >> glad they're testifying. right now in boston, we're awaiting an update in the kevin spacey scandal. any minute now we're set to hear from a former news anchor with new allegations against spacey. she claims he assaulted a loved one. you're watching "velshi & rhule" where else? msnbc.
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welcome back to "velshi & rhule." happening now on capitol hill, current and former top executives at equifax and yahoo are being grilled on the massive data breaches at their companies. >> it is the latest in a series of congressional hearings on the
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hacks that exposed personal information from billions of accounts. yahoo admitted just last month finally that a hack in 2013 affected all 3 billion users. it's amazing. originally it said a billion were compromised. equifax says its breach which it says it discovered in july but didn't report until september exposed personal information of 145.5 million people. you know what that is? half of america. former head of equifax who resigned in the wake of the breach was asked about the potential consequences for those people. >> now he's got something, a black mark on his credit rating that is not real but has been placed there because of a data breach. and the poor little fella can't close on his house. this has huge consequences.
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what are you going to do about it? >> mr. senator, there's no doubt that securing data is the core a value of our company. and i would also apologize deeply to the american public for the breach that we had. we let the public down. >> did he say he was going to donate his giant exit package? i didn't hear that when he said his apology. >> other people got exit packages from equifax as well. joining us now is senior editor for policy and politics at recode. tony, we didn't see marissa mayma maier there. she had to get subpoenaed. >> she definitely refused. her representatives said she stepped away from the company. yahoo was purchased by verizon. so they felt she wasn't the right one to testify. but the senate commerce committee was not having that. for a change, democrats and republicans found a reason to
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agree with each other. they decided to subpoena here. while she ultimately chose to come on her own behalf, that is still active. she's testifying today. >> all right. hold on a second though, when it was recode that broke this, how big the breach was. and broke it because they were employees inside the company that were distressed over the secretive nature of how they were holding this down. company had no comment. >> yeah. and lawmakers are distressed by the way in which yahoo handled this and why it took so many months for this company to admit it suffered from yet another cyber attack. and once again when it admitted later it was tripling the number of users who had been affected by the security incident. >> shareholders are also -- you've got lawmakers distressed. shareholders were distressed every inch of the way since marissa mayer took away.
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>> not just this hearing but at the other hearings and other companies that suffered from these breaches. it's whether there should be penalties for the executives who walk away with golden parachutes after these bad things happen. >> i'm going to share the number. she left with $187 million exit package. the company did not thrive in any way under her. and americans -- billions of people with yahoo accounts experienced a breach they had to deal with. and the ceo gets to walk away scot-free. >> that is a separate and important conversation. one we often have on the weekend show. but getting this kind of reward when you actually mess up this kind of thing is kind of interesting. what do we know about both these types of hacks and why people don't get notified of them y erl? >> we start by acknowledging what hackers got. with equifax, 145 million americans were affected and hackers were able to walk awe
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with sensitive personal information. things like their home addresses. their driver's license numbers in some cases. credit card information and so forth. with yahoo, it was a little less. but hackers were able to access backup e-mail accounts and answers to individual's security questions. which is very valuable for hackers of this sort. they can then use that to break into other accounts on other websites. so it was a trove of data they walked away with it. but your other question was what happens when it comes to notification? what do companies have to say and when do they have to say it? the fact of the matter is there's -- they tell everybody when they ultimately suffer a breach. but despite breach after breach. target, home depot, equifax. things have not moved swiftly enough. >> be good if that's one of the outcomes here that we decide why and what circumstances people
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should be informed. >> these hearings are massively important. the problem when you hear any of them, it's just lawmaker after lawmaker getting on their pedestal speaking, shouting, then you don't see a change. after this we need to see a change. >> tony, thank you for being with us. tony romm from recode. nice to have you in studio with us. stick around, everyone. right now republicans in the house and senate are working on their own tax plans and we are hearing about the big differences between the two versions. which deductions are at stake and what it could mean for your tax returns. and we're watching the markets for you this hour. right now the dow is off about 25 points. nothing to be made of that. it's about 0.1%. >> we are paying attention to saudi arabia. we're todaying attention to oil prices. that matters. >> we're worried about what happens to taxes because of the elections last night. that's why you're seeing a bit of a pullback on the markets. >> just a slight. stick around. you're watching "velshi & rhule"
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since late october, spacey has faced a growing list of harassment and assault allegations. nbc news has confirmed at least three other accusers. the fallout first began with actor anthony rapp told buzzfeed news of spacey's sexual advances towards him when he was just 14 years old. >> let's listen into this press conference. >> just want to let you know i'm here not as a journalist today and as a mom. in july 2016 actor kevin spacey sexually assaulted my son. it happened late night inside the club car restaurant and bar
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on nantucket island. the victim, my son, was a star struck, straight, 18-year-old young man who had no idea that he famous actor was an alleged sexual predator. or that he was about to become his next victim. my son was not of legal age to drink alcohol. he told kevin spacey he was of legal age. but whether he was over 21 or not, kevin spacey had no right to sexually assault him. there was no consent. kevin spacey bought him drink after drink after drink. and when my son was drunk, spacey made his move and sexually assaulted him.
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i want to make it clear, this was a criminal act. the room at the club car was very crowded. it was dimly lit. spacey stuck his hand inside i had s-- my son's pants and grabbed his genitals. this was completely unexpected and my son's efforts to shift his body to remove spacey's hands were only momentarily successful. the violation continued. my son panicked. he froze. he was intoxicated and kevin spacey was insisting that he come with him to a private after-hours party to drink even more. fortunately kevin spacey left briefly to use the bathroom. and when he was out of sight, a concerned woman quickly came to my very shaken son's side and
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asked if he was okay. obviously she had seen something and she knew that he was not. she told him to run and he did. he ran as fast as he could all the way to his grandmother's house. where upset and afraid he woke his sister and the two of them called me in the middle of the night. and the next morning i joined my family on nantucket. nothing could have prepared my son for how that sexual assault would make him feel as a man. it harmed him. and it cannot be undone. he has tried his best to deal
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with it. as he says, it's always there. and it continues to bother him. all of us have had sleepless nights and tremendous anger and anxiety. right now my son is worried but he's also confident that the time to act is now. he did not report the crime at the time. and that was largely because of embarrassment and fear. he knew the kind of attention that would result from making an accusation about such a public person. i could assure you this is not the kind of attention any person wants. certainly not the kind my son and family wants. but the climate in this country has changed now. thanks to the brave women and
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all sexual abuse victims who have come forward with their accusations against harvey weinstein and other sexual abusers. last week my son filed a police report and handed over evidence to the nantucket police. and now a criminal investigation has begun. he's committed to doing -- >> my god. >> wow. >> kevin spacey can't remember what happened with anthony rapp 26 years ago, how about with heather's son in 2016? >> msnbc has reached out to spacey but haven't heard back. we want to bring in danny cevallos for more on this. what are you making of this? >> this is another classic allegation of indecent assault. which almost every state has as a crime. and it involves any unpermitted, unconsented touches for sexual gratification. massachusetts has this law. the statute of limitations would
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be six years because this individual it appears he was 18 or over. if it was a child under 14, it would be unlimited. there would be no statute of li limitations. it would be six years. but that would be paused if they don't live in massachusetts. the bottom line is if it was 2015, 2016, there's no statute problem. and these cases frequently involved -- the evidence has one person's testimony against the other. nobody else may have been around. >> how common is it when you see heather's son here who's only 18 and she said he lied about his age and he was drinking under aged. how common is it that the victim is afraid to come forward because they don't want to get in tr you believouble? he didn't put himself in a position to be attacked. >> it's common even if the victim is doing nothing at all that they might get in trouble for. if you add onto the fact he
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might have been drinking under 21 and thought he might get in trouble, i mean, this is the kind of thing you wouldn't expect a victim to report. there are so many studies, so many kinds of -- so much evidence that victims frequently blame themselves and don't come forward and talk about these things. however, the law also recognizes sometimes that a delay in reporting can be evidence that goes against credibility. >> yeah. and now we've seen the reporting in the harvey weinstein case that private investigators are hired to dig up dirt on come play tants which gets into your psyche. if you realize you're going up against somebody in a position of power, there are a lot of forces against you. >> listen, i don't want to invite this criticism, i don't want to invite the drama. >> that's not really the fault of the law. the law cannot correct the problem which is anyone that comes forward as a victim whether it's a sexual assault or any kind of assault is necessarily going to be put in the crucible of cross
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examination by someone. >> culture is the problem. here's the good news. we can change it. danny, thank you so much. coming up next, a stunning story from last night's election. chris hurst just won a seat in virginia's house of seat in virginia's house of delegates on a platform to reduce gun violence. >> you might remember him. his girlfriend was shot and killed while reporting live on television. the republican he defeated as an "a" grade from the nra. we'll speak to chris next. so that's the idea. what do you think? hate to play devil's advocate but...
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." an upset win in the house of delegates is making international headlines this morning. democrat chris hurst, a former tv anchor, running his first political race unseated joseph yost, the three-term republican incumbent. you may have seen hurst before even if you don't live in virginia. >> his girlfriend and fellow coworker, allison parker, was shot and killed on national tv in 2015. allison's death prompted hurst to run for office, his platform including gun violence prevention. chris hurst joins us now via skype. chris, ali was talking about the upset. you're one person who is definitely not upset today, but is this win a bittersweet moment? you never would have pursued a career in politics had allison still been with us. >> you know, i really haven't been able to give too much
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thought to that question, steph, but yeah, it really is very bittersweet. obviously i wish that i was still with allison and was still a journalist working at the television station that we worked at together, but that wasn't the plan that god had intended for me and for her, and so i sought about trying to forge a new path and create a new plan. >> i remember the day it happened. i remember feeling so stunned and shocked, as we do with each one of these horrible gun killings. tell me how this worked for you. how did you get from that day to the idea that you would run for office, and what do you plan to do with that? >> well, i tried very hard to go back to the television station and do the kind of reporting and do the kind of investigative journalism that i was so proud of and enjoyed so much here in southwest virginia in
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appalachia. but the emotional toll of going into the television station became too much for me. i knew about, geez, almost about a year ago now that i needed to make a change for myself to help myself emotionally, but i didn't want to leave southwest virgi a virginia, an area that gave me so much happiness. i need to do develop new habits, a new routine. it was around that time i settled on glassburg and a whisper in my ear told me i might be suited for politics and a way to get back and directly serve the people of our district here in the new river valley. >> you made a very powerful statement when you said, i'm not running for allison. i don't want your sympathy. i'm running for you, the people of virginia. i got to ask, how did you win? i mean, it was just a few months ago that charlottesville took place, a place where neo-nazis
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were the outright thought they should convene and hold hate rallies and shout racial slurs. how did we go from charlottesville to you winning? >> first off, i think my district is not what some people think is stereotypically appalachian or rural. it has the campuses of virginia tech and radford university. at virginia tech we have more than 100 countries represented in the student body and the faculty. it's a very diverse district, it's a very welcoming district, and so it was a democratic district that we thought we would be able to be successful in, and certainly we were able to win this victory. >> let's talk about guns and gun control. you ran against somebody with an "a" rating from the nra. that's not unfamiliar territory in virginia. what are your views on guns and
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what level of control can be helpful to preventing these kinds of deaths? i think we may have lost our audio. do you still have us, chris? okay. i think we've lost our audio to chris hurst. he is a newly elected virginia delegate. thanks for joining us, chris. >> what an emotional win. >> unbelievable. in light of the ongoing fight against charlottesville, we want to introduce you to m monumental americans who deserve a statue. today it's dorothy height. >> she became the president of national council of negro women and served as president there for four decades. she fought for voting rights, integration and improved conditions for domestic workers.
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in the 1990s, she shifted her work, calling on african-americans to fight against drugs, illiteracy and unemployment within their communities. >> she received the presidential medal of freedom in 1994 from president bill clinton and the congressional gold medal from president george w. bush in 2004. height died in 2010 in washington, d.c. she was 98 years old. a life well lived. >> without a doubt. if you have a monumental american in mind, tweet us, #velshi&ruhle. there are so many americans that don't get attention. >> it's the bernie sanders pafrt of the sh -- part of the show, meeting these people i didn't know about in most cases. some of them i did, some of them i didn't. thanks for watching "velshi & ruhle." i'm ali velshi. >> i'm stephanie ruhle. now we hand you over to andrea mitchell for "andrea mitchell
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reports." democrats dominate across the country with delegates voting trumpism the day after the election. >> va irginia has told us to en the divisiveness, that we will not condone hatred and bigotry, and to end the politics that have torn this country apart. >> tonight we declare the days of division are over. we will move forward together. >> the blame game. the former democratic party leader donna brazil taking on democrats, including barack obama and hillary clinton and her campaign in a blistering critique. bottom line, why did they lose? was it, at the end of the day, arrogance? >> yes, joe. i felt like it was a cult. you couldn't penetrate them. >> coming up,

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