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under thea served as the road. after the tight turns, it appears congressman johnson pulled out the win and by the way, he cared about safety first. he's wearing the helmet. come organization congressman scalise. use a helmet. "the beat" starts right now. >> good evening. >> thank you very much. we will keep our helmets handy as well. >> since 2016, the political aftermath raises three questions we have. one was this a rejection of trump? two, does this mean dems can take back the house? and if they do, will that make trump's life harder on russia? the first two questions are just up for debate. the third is not. because it is now a political legal fact that democrats taking the house would hand a powerful subpoena power to those
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democrats. today, republicans control those subpoenas on the russia investigation if democrats win and they sure won last night. that no matter what happens to those bipartisan investigations, or the mueller probe, or even the i'm athletic cal talk of point guards, no matter what, if they win this house race, going into next year, you would have democrats like adam schiff and elijah cummings, to come the that he will evidence, to force testimony from any lawful witness including people in the trump white house. now, the politics of that potential develop rmt open questions. tonight we can tell you, as i've bet you've heard by now, there are strategists in both parties, completely recalculating their maps for the 2018 mid terms, interpreting what was by any estimation, a broad sweep. dems taking governorships in new jersey and virginia. where mark murray notes it was largest win for dems since 1985. taking control of the state
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senate in washington. taking two state legislative seats in georgia. and beating some incumbent republican mayors. one out of five virginia voters made their decisions in this last week. that's the same time as the first indictments were handed down of trump's aides. donald trump responding by arguing the candidates were not trumpy enough. republicans on the ground say this was a referendum on him. >> i think it was a referendum in the division and the divisive rhetoric in the country right now. i think it is important for republicans to self-reflect, start from the top. all the way down. i do think it was a referendum on the national policies. >> was it a referendum on donald trump? >> i believe so. >> let's get to senior editor mark murray. a guest we need at times like this. caty kay who covered the race from richmond just last night. as well as jamal simmons who worked on the clinton and obama campaigns. mark, let's start with you.
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what happened last night? >> it was a sign that the political wins are at the democrats' backs. there is a definitely trump factor, at least that played out in virginia and new jersey last night according to the exit polls. we saw voters who went to vote, 40% approved of president trump's job performance. that's not good if you are the party in control of the white house. and more importantly, half the voters said that president trump was a factor in their vote in virginia. and those voters broke 2-1 in opposition of president trump. so you can say democrats were more motivated. and they turned out in droves. in northern virginia but also around richmond, virginia, which at one point was a swing part of
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the state or even a bastion for republicans. so you add that together. it doesn't necessarily mean they'll take back the house of representatives next year. on the one hand, you have to look that virginia isn't the same turf that will play out in many mid material congressional races across the country. be it in the kansas city suburbs or places like iowa. last night, they won by 9 points. and whether the democrats would get power of the house, that's a huge upset. but still, it took democrats to win a race by 9 points to even almost get a 50-50 tie due to resorting and also gerrymandering. so the big lesson is democrats could have a really big night in 2018 but still fall a couple seats short of taking back the
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house of representatives. >> you make such a good point. as we've reported, barack obama has made it their issue in the post administration period. we're seeing new characters. if you're not a politics junky, you might not know of every candidate across the country but you have probably heard of chris christie and tim kaine right now. you probably have heard the song, you don't even know my nail. the democrats putting out new names in virginia and new jersey. take a listen. >> virginia has told us to end the divisiveness that we will not condone hatred and bigotry. and to end the politics that have torn this country apart.
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tonight we declare the days of division are over. we will move forward together. >> will we be hearing more from them? >> we will probably hear more from them but let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. we have 2018 coming up. so i think we'll see a lot of democrats who will get in this race for 2018. i think you mention someday republican who's drop out. who go home for thanksgiving. have a little turkey and decide, it is pretty nice around here. it's been not just the 2018 psych bull if you're a republican, 2020 will be worse than 2018 because trump is on the ballot and there will be no way to run away. so we have to be, if you're a republican, you're really worried about that. last night, women really made their stand last night. that's a place where in the 2016 election, democrats, a lot of democrats raise their hand. particularly about white women who didn't show up for hillary as much as they wanted. but last night they upped that number by about 7% or 8% for
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ralph northam. so that mattered. even in atlanta, a woman for mayor, in charlotte, a mayor's race. a bunch of places around the country where we saw women really surge yesterday. >> what did you see? >> it was such an interesting race. i saw ed gillespie the night before the election. he is actually a very impressive candidate. ed northam wouldn't exactly set the world on fire. and he flip-flopped on a totally unnecessarily on the issue of sanctuary cities. so that made the democrats' victory even more of a surprise. for me, the real story of yesterday was how much better their turnout operation was. the democrats spent a lot of money in the northern suburbs on turnout and it paid off. they got people to the polls. the anti-trump feeling mattered but getting, translating that into wins was a structural issue for the democrats. and that's i think the story of
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virginia in many ways. >> and on that point, i think that's true. i think there's something about the resistance that's real. and we have to be careful. it is like an unguided missile. i don't think the democratic party is guiding it as much as it is coming from outside the party and the party is benefiting. >> and what about the emphasis on division? >> let's be bhons the virginia race. they were pretty divisive on northam's side, too. one about immigrant kids that was running by an outside group, albeit. but it did have to be taken down. i think virginians must be so happy this election is over because the ads were so terrible on both sides of the aisle. i think republicans would say we had an option to run hard on trump i. hard on culturally divisive
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issue. hard on racial issues. hard on immigration and crime. that didn't work for ed gillespie. maybe we need to recalibrate. >> and i'll turn to one of the winners. thanks for your analysis. i included seattle electing its first mayor who was gay. a lesbian there. and the first since 1920 who is a female in that election. virginia electing the first openly transgender lawmaker. the first sikh mayor. and charlotte, north carolina, affecting its first female african-american mayor. and she joins me now. she defeated her republican challenger by double digits. first, congratulations. >> thank you very much. >> now sometimes we ask tough questions in the press. i have an easy one for you. why did you win last night in your view? >> my view is that people in charlotte were really looking for a way to connect to the issues around good paying jobs, affordable housing and trufst i
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law enforcement. we had to heal from the scott shooting. people wanted a leader who was positive and optimistic about the future and saw we could be better than what we have been in the past. >> when you look at those issues in policing brutality, how the justice system works. they seem to get less national attention. these are big issues in a lot of cities. how did you thread that how did you speak to communities concerned about discrimination laws, while speaking to officers and the rest of the police force? >> you know, what i had to do was find that place that everyone found they could build around the issue have trust. when we talk about community policing, that's what officers want to do. that's what our neighbors want them to do. so i often say, i want a police officer to knock on your door and you don't fear they will. you trust them to open the door and talk about the issues. >> we've heard a lot about donald trump. would you say his presence here,
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this one year we're on the anniversary of his election was a net gain? for you? a net loss for your campaign? or it didn't make any difference? >> what makes a dmifs charlotte right now is that we need better paying jobs. not only do i want to be the first african-american female mayor but a jobs mayor. that's what we're focused on here. >> thank you vex for joining me. i want to bring back jamal to broaden this. you have run democratic campaigns on the winning and losing side. >> you had to mention the losing. >> that's real talk. i just spoke to a winner, as they say. you heard her on the trump answer. not really wanting to get into it. what do you think was key for the democrats winning last night? and anything with the mayor-elect as well. >> what we saw yesterday, a couple things. we saw investment from the democratic party but that might get you a point or two in turnout.
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getting 8 points, 9 points, that's a huge jump. that's the energy of the trump resistance. at the same time though, ralph northam, the governor, he talked about important issues. he talked about health care and education. we talk about a contrast. he gave people a contrast. not just to the negativity but also what he wanted to do for them. >> issues. so fascinating. so obvious but sometimes the truth is obvious. issues, health care, policing, jobs. this is what we're hearing from people out there doing some of the work. thanks for joining us. >> one more thing. they also ran candidates up and down the ballot on all the state legislative races. democrats have to keep running candidates all over the places. i think those drives turn out in their districts. >> as always, a man who has been there and done that. thank you. coming up, why are trump aides suddenly remembering meetings they'd forgotten about?
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i mean, he's changing up so much. back and side stepping. we've got, we've got to name this condition that he's going through. i think, i think it's called rom nesia. that's what it's called. >> a sick burn from simpler times. rom nesia was dr. obama's diagnose i of mitt romney's
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ability to remember things that were hurting his campaign. some trump aides seem to have their own rom nesia about russia but it looks line there's a cure. the mueller investigation. consider how corey lewandowski couldn't even remember who carter page was in march. >> i don't know who carter page is. i never had a conversation with carter page. i never met carter page. he had no former role in the campaign. he had no role whatsoever in the campaign. he had nothing to do with the campaign. >> lewandowski did not remember page. instead, he did not grant permission for him to take a russia trip. fast forward this week, he says while he also has some rom nesia, he says he did tell lewandowski about the trip. in that same testimony, he would not rule out that he's talking to bob mueller's team. and voila! it's cured. >> to the best of my recollection, i don't know carter page. my memory has been refreshed. so when a low level volunteer decides to take a trip overseas
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and doesn't report to me or work for the organization, what jurisdiction would i have have telling him he can or cannot travel overseas. what i was clear about is, if you're going to travel, please do not pretend to be part of campaign and say you are part of the campaign. >> his memory has been refreshed. jeff sessions' memory also left him with no knowledge about russia contacts in october. >> i have no knowledge of any such will conversations by anyone connected to the trump campaign. >> you don't believe that surrogates from the trump campaign had communications with the russians. is that what you're saying? >> i did not and i'm not aware of anyone else that did. i have not seen anything that would indicate a collusion with russians to impact the campaign. >> but sessions was at the march meeting where papadopoulos pitched that meeting between trump and putin. and now he's also cured, saying
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he does remember it and he rejected the proposal. and then there's carter page himself. as chris hayes dubbed him last night, the carter. last week he was still forgetting his official meetings in russia. >> so -- >> again, i had no meetings, no serious discussions with anyone high up or at any official capacity. >> so let me ask you this. >> just man on the street, you know. >> man on the street. not true. pressed by russia investigators, he remembered he did meet with putin's deputy prime minister for a private conversation. and remembered meeting with a high profile russian energy official to boot. a meeting mentioned in the sealed dossier, although the dossier did not name the correct official. then there's our forgotten coffee boy. in the heat of the general election, george papadopoulos himself represented trump at a british government meeting. this was september. trump doesn't remember that. or the march meeting with sessions and papadopoulos. >> i don't remember much about
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that meeting. it was a very unimportant meeting. it took place a long time. i don't remember much about it. >> and maybe he doesn't. or maybe his medicalory could also, too, be refreshed by investigators' questions down the road. as mark twain said, if you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything. >> with me now, barbara mcquaid, and former prosecutor, cynthia. barbara, the memories. they're coming back. >> it's very interesting to see. i think what we have going on here is, when it is convenient, people are quick to say, i don't remember. i don't know what happened. when you realize that someone might have copies of your e-mails, or as we've heard about reported fisa intercepts, recorded conversations, recorded statements. once you know that somebody might have evidence that contradicts your statements, sometimes people do remember. and they know that they're going to be held accountable. so they want to get a chance to explain their side of the story. >> and that makes some sense. and we know how that works.
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how do you differentiate between being refreshed, i've said on air and i'll say it again. corey lewandowski's, a utility that he had hundreds of e-mails and didn't remember a single one, could be plausible. in fairness, witnesses do forget things. how do you as a prosecutor separate from this is an excuse, from the more sinister rom nesia, if you will. >> you have to look at the whole picture. if you look at it in a vacuum, it makes sense that he would forget. this is the day before he gets fired. he probably gets thousands of e-mails. this carter page guy is a little weird. >> is that a legal term? >> it's a gut level decision. a gut term that you use when you're trying to figure out what really happened. and do you believe this guy. >> i was talking on chris hayes about this last night who spent time with him. how weird do you think he is? at a certain point too, weird means less credible in the eyes of a jury. >> i think he's too weird.
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i do. >> too weird as well? >> well, i don't want to get into a discussion of this legal term weird. certainly, you assess witnesses and their believability to juries. carter page would have some issues. even george papadopoulos has some issues because he's an admitted liar. those are all things that you consider in deciding whether somebody makes a good witness. but you can often bolster a witness who might have some credibility problems if you can have objective evidence to corroborate their story. so if e-mails support the story or recorded conversations support the story, then it doesn't matter if the witness is to use your term, weird. >> cynthia? >> well, for example, papadopoulos says he's in this meeting with sessions. there's a photograph that supports with sessions and trump, a photograph supports it. also, there are witnesses in the room. this guy j.d. gordon says not only was he in the meeting. he brought up russia. trump listened intently. sessions responded vehemently. not only do, we're not going to do that, but he told everybody
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to be quiet about it. j.d. gordon remembered almost every detail. he had a friend had london. that supports what papadopoulos says. that's what you're going to have to have with carter page. because he's, the only mystery about carter page is why he continues to talk to people. i find it completely confusing. but you would never base an indictment on carter page's word alone. everything. every little tiny detail must be corroborated and much of it can be. >> so that's part of what investigators can do. they have their obligation to the facts and not just running down any lead that might seal incriminating. that's the investigation side. then the count eer pressure. we have to make decisions about what and when we cover things. bynum to make a decision, there has been no public evidence suggesting what we would call a legal conflict of interest for bob mueller. the fact that he served as fbi director is generally seen as a plus factor. so i play this not to give heat to the conspiracy theory but to
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show this is some of what we're seeing. a house republican going after mueller. take a look. >> we are at risk of a coup in this country if we allow an unaccountable person with no oversight to undermine the duly elected president of the united states. and i would offer that is precisely what is happening right now with the indisputable conflicts of interest that are present with mr. mueller and others with the department of justice. i join my colleague, the gentleman from arizona, in calling for mr. mueller's resignation or his firing. >> cynthia, have you seen any public evidence of what the congressman calls indisputable conflicts is. >> i have not seen it. it is not surprising to me that he was given time to speak when there was nobody else in the room to listen. and bob mueller is one of the most honorable people i have ever known or worked. and it is outprags these people
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go on and on and abuse him. i just, it disgusts me. >> cynthia and barbara, as always, we appreciate your expertise and your candor. thank you. up next, new reporting on the russians pulling potentially a fast one at the republican convention. it is becoming a focus of the russia probe. and later, the man who co-authored the art of the deal tony schwartz, is live here with us. and later, what was going on with obama? ♪ [vo] progress is an unstoppable force. the season of audi sales event is here. audi will cover your first month's lease payment on select models during the season of audi sales event.
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it was exactly a year ago today americans went to the polls. a number chose hillary clinton, a smaller number chose donald trump, and a number that continues to sting him even though he won the more important contest among the states in the electoral college. if trump had lost, would russia
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have ever gotten anything for all their meddling? investigators now think yes. russia would have gotten a gift in the campaign when trump aides changed the gop platform to help russia. investigators are probing into that issue. others say they are bracing to hear from mueller's team. the platform is usually a rallying point. the nominee controls it. when the rnc approved it, many touted a reaganesque approach. >> we are creating a winning platform. i have seen how the process works. i have compared it to the democratic colleagues. ours was open. it was a bottom up process with participation of 112 committed delegates. >> it harkens back to the world of 1980. when an equally discredited presidency was called into account. our response then was a republican platform which told
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the truth. we do the same today with the same unity and the sail courage shown by those who some 36 years ago made the reagan platform a manifesto of liberty and opportunity for everyone. >> reagan not known for going soft on russia. and delegates involved said the russian language came from the top of the trump campaign. as for that open process, there are reports that records for the meeting are disappearing. one thing we do know is that was not technically can you onfirme. paul manafort was hiding his part. he was pressed about it at the time. >> there's been some controversy about something in the republican party platform that essentially changed the republican party's views when it comes to ukraine. how much influence did you have on changing that language, sir? >> i had none. >> everybody on the platform committee said it came from the
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trump campaign. if not you, who? >> it did not come from the trump campaign. >> so nobody from the trump campaign wanted that change in the platform? >> no one. zero. >> the problem with that, i don't know, call it tv testimony sprgs it is contradicted by real protest the several other people now. and they, unlike paul manafort, have not been indicted. i'm joined by the u.s. ambassador in the bush administration. he is at the atlantic county now. and back with us, katty kay. was this something that was helpful to putin and how unusual was in it your view? >> it was definitely helpful to putin. it was a very positive signal from the russian point of view. it changed what was a traditional public policy since the invasion of ukraine of supporting, earling the ukrainians. obama had been sharply criticized by the republican
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leadership and many democrats as well for not they know ukrainians defend themselves if we weren't going on intervene in their behalf so this was a gift from putin. he could hope if trump were elected, the u.s. would back away from its support of ukraine and there were concerns that he would lift the sanctions unilaterally to boot. >> how do you view this coming up in the investigations? >> it will be an interesting issue for the investigators. because this is the one thing that we know that russia has got. willingly or not, out of the election of donald trump. look at the language that was changed in the platform. it was changed from giving kiev lethal defensive assistance to giving kiev he appropriate assistance. that was the big shift that we looked at in the republican, after the republican convention. and it basically said, we won't help them with the weaponry we want. anti-tank missiles, radar equipment, that kind of thing.
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what was so fascinating about this at the time was it was not just a departure from the obama administration. it was departure from almost every leading foreign policy security expert on the republican side who had come to the conclusion that what they wanted was more lethal assistance for the ukrainians. at the moment, this is parked, as the ambassador says on, donald trump's desk. but it is not clear that donald trump wants to go there. that he wants to give assistance that the ukrainians need. >> based on his public commentary, i don't know time trump is spending, the meticulously analyzing this, a chess piece this putin's strategy. mr. ambassador, i want to read to you from the campaign e-mails. you've been around the foreign policy circles. you know these players. there was now documented evidence that has become public that they were directly working this in contra doiks what paul manafort did. as for the amendment page, carter page e-mailed, excellent
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work. do you have a view based on what we know, whether this was an unusual policy idea within the campaign? or given the exposure on the foreign agents, that this may have been an the every by people, paul manafort and others, to essentially hijack u.s. policy? >> well, i'm eagerly awaiting the results of the investigation. it is obviously something to really speculate lively about. whether this was just part of the, let's get along with russia attitude that we heard from trump on many occasions. there were there was direct conspireing by some people in the campaign. maybe in communication with russia. we don't know. so i think we have to wait and see. but it is ironic that trump in office has actually come one a reasonably decent policy toward ukraine. he is appoint ad special envoy. he is trying to negotiate a solution that gets the russians
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out of eastern ukraine. so the only missing piece, is he going to provide lethal defensive weapons? that's on his desk now. i hope he does it. putin needs understand the costs will increase. the longer he drags out the occupation. he has the opportunity to kind of fix this, even if it was a real outrage during the convention. >> and we're limited on time but to be clear, you're saying you hope trump stands up to putin on that ukraine issue and overrides what they did in the platform. >> absolutely. and i think his whole government is recommending that. the pentagon, the state department. >> and his envoy as well has said the time has come to at least look at giving him those weapons. >> and this is why there's skin in the game. ambassador, katty, thank you both. still ahead, the man who
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ran for re-election. will trump's odd tweets today be the last he says about the loss? could the reaction hurt republicans further? with me, the co-writer of the art of the deal. after hearing about trump during the deal, he told the new yorker, if trump wins and got the nuclear codes, there's a possibility it will lead to the end of civilization. we should mention, tony has decided to donate the royalties of his book to immigrant rights groups. thank you for joining us on "the beat." you look at trump's tweets today. is this the end of his response? >> no. it is of course the beginning of his response to the election. he is a person whose focus is very, very narrow. and what he's always looking at is a mirror. and he is deciding whether or not what the near mirror is reflecting back at him is
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positive or negative. if it is negative, then his counter punching aggressiveness comes in. the surprising -- not surprising but the unusual situation here is that he's thousands of miles away, preoccupied with some other world leaders. so i don't think he's had the ordinary opportunity, because he is getting some positive feedback in the mirror. he won't, when he gets back and then we'll see a whole flurry of further activity. >> you spent a lot more time with him than most independent observers have. you're not an aide. you're not an assistant. you're an independent writer. and you've outlined your concerns about him. including millions of people who voted for him and believe he represents their interests will learn what anyone who deals closely with him already knows. he couldn't care less about them. your theory of trump and his supporters is the trump university theory. that some people love him so
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much, they want to put their time and energy and even money down. but by the time trump university ended, and it went bankrupt. you had a lot of people who went from loving him to saying, he conned me. >> yeah. and that quote you started with, where he was talking about what happens if you con people, his assessment of carter, is classic projection. so what trump does, if you read his tweets, when he's talking about other people. almost invariably he's describing himself. and that was the case in the book. of course, he hadn't yet decided to run for president. but that notion that he's a con man. believe me, that is deep inside what he knows himself to be. >> you think he has that self-awareness, or that self-doubt. >> that's the latter is a better way of putting it. i think he knows, he has probably one of the profound
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cases of imposter syndrome that has ever existed. he is pretty distanced from it. because he keeps himself so occupied with getting what he wants. >> almost frantic. >> yes. he has a franticness. i've often said, he is like a black hole. you pour down, who could get more accolades and more positive feedback than someone who is president, and yet it is still not enough. even from his base, it is not enough. >> from observing him up close, how do you think he is handling the mueller probe? >> i think he's in a rage right now. i think he's in a rage most of all about mueller. because mueller stands to really topple the whole building. i think it is exacerbated by the fact that he seems to be taking blame for what happened last night and all the statistics suggest rightfully so.
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so i think he is in a really highly activated and aroused state. >> the top white house lawyers say mueller will ultimately be good for trump because he won't find anything that directly implicates trump. >> i may be the only person who says this. but i have believed since the day mueller was appointed to the job, that he will be the end of the trump presidency and he will find indictable offenses. i don't know if they will be about russia. who knows? trump may or may not be able to insulate himself. but i know that he's had a career that spanned more than four decades. and during those four decades, there's an awful lot of behaviors and choices and actions that he's taken that are potentially criminal. >> tony schwartz, the co-author of the art of the deal. very interesting to get your take over this. coming up, why democrats are winning on health care. and why it might help them next year. stay with us.
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democrats won big last night all over the country. a lot of people are speculating on why. there's no single answer but one former virginia governor says he has the answer. >> we campaign on bread and butter stuff. it is always about the jobs and education and health care. >> simple answer. is it right? jeff is a democratic pollster who was involved in races last night. you heard the governor there. you look at health care. was this key? >> yes. the medicaid expansion is the wedge issue that democrats have been searching for. a great issue. the number one issue for virginia voters. even in new jersey, phil murphy won 86% of voters who said health care was their top priority. and in maine, 59% of voters
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voted to expand medicaid. this is an excellent issue for on democrats. it goes to real world kernels and it breaks the hold of these largely symbolic issues that ed gillespie and donald trump have been violence and confederate monuments. if you need a doctor, a statue of stonewall jackson doesn't help you much. >> that's true, jeff. no matter what you think of the statue. >> that's true. it's what the republicans have done to assault health care. we've seen that the biggest negative against the republican party right now is that they've tried to mess with health care. cha is right, when you look at voters from last night. health care the number one issue. and northam won those voters overwhelmingly. 17% of the voters made up their minds in virginia late. and those people broke towards ralph northam by a 60/40 margin.
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there is something bigger going on here in terms of the late momentum. and that's what feels good if you are a democrat today. >> do you have a sense of what the late momentum was? >> the two biggest issues that dominated the last week of the race were the manafort indictment and the shooting in texas. it was said voters don't care about gun control and russia. ralph northam proved it false. late deciding voters tend to be less idealogical and less partisan. good people can't really disagree with corruption. corruption has a huge impact and influence on late-deciding voters. unfortunately for democrats we saw it with the comey letter and the impact it had on that race a year ago. >> ralph northam's campaign was positive for a good portion. i believe they had positive
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advertising beginning to end. ed gillespie was decidedly negative over a huge period of this. when you look at the data, if you want to look at sort of what the #fakenews is here, i think it's that ed gillespie tried to be too negative. he was too tough or pretending to be too tough. the ms-13 stuff back fired. ed gillespie at best had a tied favorability and was more negative throughout most of the chain. >> i want to resist the media urge to put it into one narrative. is part of it the idea that national elections can turn more on symbolic issues for whatever reasons. the presidency, people forget, it's the only race everyone votes on is a national race, none other. at the state level, the health care, the jobs, that's what's always going to matter more. so ed tried to go trumpee but didn't come close to a trump number. >> well, look, reality is what ed gillespie did kind of worked.
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he got 72% of working class whites, the same number donald trump got. the problem is he lost everybody else. the issues we had last year with the election, hate to say, was that the stronger together theme hillary clinton had really didn't talk about real-world concerns of voters. it actually went into the trumpean sort of turf of talking about the idea that trump is divisive, racist, sexist, et cetera. if hillary clinton had emphasized much more her working-class message, health care, jobs, those sorts of things that she talked about quite a bit but that didn't get through the media focus of the campaign. we might have had a different result. thank you both. the russia inquiry is not far from over. we'll explain how it all comes together next. 'm here to fix the. nothing's wrong with the elevator.
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we are a year out from the 2016 election. a public and political fight we all saw. the legal and national security drama that was below the surface looks a little different today. here is our special breakdown. >> donald trump says he really is running for president. >> we are going to make our country great again. >> i am running for president of
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the united states. >> russia, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails. >> we did not find clear evidence that secretary clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws. there is evidence that they were extremely careless. >> director comey had said that my answers in my fbi interview were truthful. >> no reasonable prosecutor would bring this case. >> history has been made tonight. hillary rodham clinton has laid claim to the democratic nomination. >> hillary clinton is the most corrupt person ever to run for the presidency. >> the fbi may be reopening an investigation into the hillary clinton e-mail server. >> the biggest political scandal since watergate. >> i have now seen director comey's letter to congress. the american people deserve to get the full and complete facts. it's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. >> because you would be in jail.
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>> the russian government has engaged in espionage against americans. >> has no respect for this person. >> well, that's because he would rather have a puppet as president of the united states. >> no puppet. no puppet. >> it's pretty clear -- breaking news involving hillary clinton and her use of a personal e-mail server. fbi director james comey sent a letter to congress -- >> nine days later what the fbi is now saying, and it's significant, never mind. james comey misfired in the first letter. >> good morning! >> here we are. >> it is tuesday, november 8th. election day. >> what's happening today? >> here at last. >> unbelievable. >> secretary clinton has conceded to donald trump. this is a political upset of huge, huge magnitude. >> i pledge to every citizen of our land that i will be president for all americans. >> this loss hurts. but please, never stop believing that fighting for what's right is worth it. >> democrats did keep fighting.
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scoring those wins last night in the two states clinton carried, virginia and new jersey. as for the legal questions, a year later we can report authorities found far more evidence of crimes on the trump side than clintons. meanwhile, two trump aides indicted. presumed innocent legally until their trials. that does it for the beat. see you back at 6:00 p.m. tomorrow. "hardball" starts now. the mother of presidents delivers a spanking. let's play hardball. good evening. i am chris matthews. consider the message sent across the country yesterday from the top of the ticket in virginia and new jersey to local races in new hampshire, pennsylvania, georgia, florida, and out in washington state. american voters delivered a rebuke to president trump. in


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