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steve scalise challenged sam johnson to a scooter race the other day. he has been using a scooter to get around since recovering from getting shot back in june. see, look at this. i'm glad he wore that helmet. extraordinary. these guys life-long friends. that wraps us up this hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. i won't see you at 11:00, i'm heading down to d.c. my friend ali velshi will be there. more news with my friend. >> i'm in for hallie jackson who joins us shortly from beijing. that's where we start this morning. president trump making nice in china, once his political punching bag now his sudden side kick. the president saying he doesn't blame china for taking advantage of the u.s. we'll have more on the big about face from asia that everyone is talking about this morning. on capitol hill, republicans cruising along with their tax plan. the committee mark up happening
right now. many in the party, though, still trying to pump the brakes. they're worried about projected increases to the deficit and changes in property taxes. one republican still trying to make up his mind on the plan. new york congressman john faso will join us live. we're also continuing our series. looking at the country one year after the extraordinary election. today, rahema ellis talking to democrats about wanting to see their country rebuild and mother and daughter on different sides of the election just now back on speaking terms. we start this hour overseas in china. chief white house correspondent hallie jackson is in beijing with the president. hallie, a pretty remarkable shift in tone. my question for you, does it represent a change in policy or is this a smart diplomatic move? >> i think it's a little bit of both, kristen. both policy and diplomacy essentially. it really is a kindler, gentler donald trump, if you will.
at this point, we are seeing the president praise not just pageantry. this big display at the state dinner and the chinese calling this a state visit plus and that is definitely what we saw. just a lot of the pomp and circumstance. the president seems to like that. he praised that and he also, far from his comments on the campaign trail blasting china. at one point saying that china is essentially the united states economy. he said hey, it's not your fault. the presidents that came before him for the trade imbalances he long slammed and it was a very interesting shift in tone. i want to give you an example of what i was talking about with the president's comments here. listen. >> i don't blame china after all, who can blame a country for being able to take advantage of another country for the benefit of its citizens.
i give china great credit. >> with secretary of state rex tillerson several hours ago saying that comment was a little bit tongue in cheek. i was in the room. i think the president was being funny or sarcastic. i don't know that was necessarily the case, although you did hear laughter in the room. one of the more interesting comments that has come out of this discussion. you talk about trade. you talk about the other big issue which is north korea. the administration insisting no space between the u.s. and china when it comes to a denuclearized north korea. this discussion about a potential dialogue and negotiations and it's not clear if and when the u.s. will open up direct talks with pyongyang. that would be a significant step. you have the u.s. pressuring china to do more when it comes to cutting off energy exports. at the moment, though, it does not seem the president is coming back to the united states with big deliveerables on that front to show. that is sort of the situation from here in china, kristen. a very interesting couple days
and the president heads to vietnam next. >> where it only gets more interesting. hallie, stay with us. another question for you before the end of the segment. but want to drill down on some of those great points you just made with us now former secretary of state and now msnbc global affairs contributor and along with our panel white house reporter for the associated press catherine lucy and national political reporter eliana jaupsoohnson. what a powerhouse we have this morning. pick up where hallie left off. she said secretary of state says this is a little bit tongue in cheek. will china hear it that way? >> i think president xi has played this trip perfectly and he understands the president likes pomp and circumstance and he has given it a lot of it. the president has probably been told by his advisors that president xi is up there in the constitution of china. he is very firmly in power. he doesn't have investigations
going on about his relationships with russia, so he is in the power position. he is in the driver's seat. and the president tried flattery, quite different from what he said on the campaign trail. quite different from what he says to american audiences. >> do you need to shift your rhetoric, though, when you go into an actual meeting with a state leader? the white house would argue, what he needs to say on the campaign trail is very different from what he needs to say as president. is there some legitimacy to this type of approach? >> of course. we saw this speech in japan. we saw it in south korea. we're seeing it here. trying to act like the president of the united states. i do wish he would do it at home where this country elected him. the chinese did not. the japanese did not. the south koreans did not. i would like to see that presidential behavior more often. but i do think hallie's bottom line is important here. did we get anything? will china do anything where north korea is concerned? will they really do something on the trade deficit? will they look at what they're
doing in the region and make sure they aren't eating our lunch. >> catherine, let me let you weigh in there. the deliveerables the big question hovering around this entire trip. do you think the president will walk away with anything and say, yes, we got china to agree to turn up the heat and cut back on exports. >> i think that is especially when it comes to north korea. that is one thing he came into this trip really looking for sort of shared strategy there for buy in that has been making statements leading up to it. but the president who is known for throwing punches, absolutely pulled them in china. he did not go too hard and either saying there is no daylight between them. but what does that mean? does that actually mean that we're going to see something coming down the pipeline? >> so much has been made of the timing of this. president trump first took office he met with president xi and had him at mar-a-lago.
why did we not hear this then? he extended an olive branch but didn't go as far as we heard him go over night. what do you think of the timing? why now? >> i think the administration has been trying to flush out what exactly principaled realism or america first foreign policy means and that's been an ongoing process over several months and i know from talking to administration officials before the president left on this trip that they've really been trying to thread a needle when it comes to china, in particular, about how to work collaboratively on china with north korea, but also push china on trade, but not in a bombastic way and to move sort of away from that campaign rhetoric and also to accomplish a third goal, which is to counter china's influence in the broader region. those are three pretty difficult things, i think. that is taking a series of several months and talks with the president's advisors that much more complicated thing than saying china takes advantage of us and we've got to counter this trade deficit. >> really important point.
and the other piece of this equation is russia. there's been a lot of talk about whether president trump is going to meet with president putin on the sidelines of the summit in vietnam. we initially thought he was going to. the white house was signaling that. ambassador sherman we're hearing that might not happen. what are you hearing? >> i think this is another occasion where secretary tillerson has been a little undercut by the white house announcements, as was happening on dialogue with north korea when the president made that famous remark. my understanding and i've just heard this, i don't know it to be fact that secretary tillerson was trying to leverage this meeting to get some things on syria. and if he got some of the things we want on syria, then the meeting would happen. my suspicion is the meeting would happen regardless of what secretary tillerson gets and, quite frankly, as much as russia has meddled in our election and doing a lot of things around the world, we don't like and they shouldn't be doing. it is important to sit down with president putin and talk about what is important to us. >> and, of course, the stakes
couldn't be higher for a meeting like that because of russia's meddling and president trump saying that russia could be critical. stand by, ladies. i want to go back to hallie jackson before we lose her and let her go. as your odyssey continues you are heading to vietnam next. pick up where we left off. what are you expecting? >> the apex summit, kristen. all about the economy and all about trade with some of these southeast asian partners and i think when you see the president speak to the ceo delegation and i think it's like 12 or 16 hours from now. tomorrow at least asia time today or tomorrow your time the president will be talking about those topics. i want to touch on what ambassador sherman had to say. that is going to be the big headline coming out of this vietnam trip. president trump and president putin sitdi putin sitting down and talking. rex tillerson said, yeah, maybe this won't happen. we want to get something of substance out of this. mentioning syria and ukraine. note, the kremlin has already said they're going to meet.
it would be more diplomatically dramatic, if you will, if the president decided not to sit down with vladimir putin in vietnam. the question is, what will come out of it? north korea will be a big topic once t one senior administration official said they're neighbors and that is a critical point here. when the secretary of state was asked, will russian meddling, russian interference come up? is that on the list of things to talk about or did the two say what they needed to say in germany. rex tillerson said it stays on the list. it is always on that list, kristen. >> great point. we'll have some of those answers. 16, 17 hours from now, hallie. all the days and hours are blending into one when you're working. thank you for all your great reporting out there. you guys are going to stick around for the hour. great conversation. thanks so much for being here. now, i want to get over to capitol hill where there's a lot of action right now republicans beginning the legislative process to get their ultimate tax plan to a vote.
still, though, not clear if there is enough support in the gop to give it a green light. garret haake is there watching all the action live. this is the so-called mark up. a lot of folks might not be familiar with that process. but, bottom line, what are you looking for? what are you expecting to happen today? >> yeah, sure. so, today is the final day of this markup process which makes it the most interesting day and some point today we'll get the manag manager's amendment. take all the input and all the amendments and everything discussed in this committee process over the last few days and he'll essentially issue his rewrite of what has been his bill and then it's expected to pass out of the ways and means committee. by the end of the day today, we'll have a much better idea of what the full house, the full republican house, i should point out, will be voting on maybe as early as next week. we expect the house to do their kind of official vote count next
week to see if what chairman kevin brady has cooked up with his committee is something that can get enough republican support in the house to pass as all democrats are expected to oppose it. we'll see for the first time the senate version of this bill, which is going to have some differences. >> well, break down some of those differences because, garret, it's my understanding they're pretty significant, actually. and it sort of raises the question, how does this ultimately get over the finish line? i know we don't have all the details yet, but what are some of the key differences you're looking for? >> a couple big differences and a couple things not settled upon. they're putting this airplane together at 30,000 feet. the two big differences that will get a lot of attention is what happens to the estate tax and what happens to your money if you're very wealthy when you die. the house plan will get rid of it entirely and the senate plan might have to phase it in or put a senate cap on they have to
stay below this $1.5 trillion cap on how much they can take a hit to the deficit and then what happens to the state and local tax deductions. i tried just a few minutes ago to ask the chairman of the finance committee orrin hatch about this and as he said, it's still a bit of a work in progress. take a listen. >> can you talk about some of the reported differences between what you're working on and what the house is doing. specifically the house tax and the state and local taxes. >> no, i'm not going to talk about that right now. we're going to have to coput we have for the average time it should be about $1,500 in savings. which is a big, big deal. at least that's what we're trying to do. >> and then, kristen, one other really interesting piece of this that we're watching. one way republicans have
realized they can save some money on this bill is if they try to repeal the individual or the employer mandates for obama care. that saves them a couple hundred billion dollars. very attractive on the pay for side of this. but, boy, talk about a political landmine putting health care policy in the middle of this tax bill. i asked lindsey graham about that a second ago, too. listen. does that make it a lot more complicated if you introject health care policy into this, as well. >> both of them are tax policy. >> so, lindsey graham in favor. i talked to john cornyn the senate whip. he says they're counting the votes on this. if it makes it a lot harder, they won't want to do it. but that bright, shiny object that republicans will be looking at if their tax plan comes in a little heavy on the budget side, kristen. >> garrett, great reporting. i think the way you put it is perfect. a political land mine to try to touch anything related to health care. we saw how tough that was when they tried to repeal and replace
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you have to go all in. and this agenda is a winning agenda. that was former white house chief strategist steve bannon last night in michigan blaming ed gillespie's loss on his lukewarm embrace of the trump agenda. others in the party are saying the exact opposite it was a clear referendum on the policy. here to help me is mark lauder spokesperson for mike pence and special assist tonight the president. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> let's start with what steve bannon said. do you agree with him? is embracing the president and embracing his policies wholeheartedly. >> they voted for tax reform, tax cuts and reducing regulation and getting our economy moving, again, defeating our enemies overseas. when you support that, you stand in support of the president. it's a place you want to be on if you're a republican. >> i want to drill down on some of the numbers as it relates to
that. first, take a listen to what orrin hatch had to say and get your reaction to that. >> is the president going to be a drag on republicans running next year? >> i don't think so. i don't think so. i think, if anything, if he had gotten more involved in these races and turn the other way. >> so senator hatch seems to agree with you. but if you look at the numbers, mark, according to exit polls from virginia. 51% of voters say that trump was a factor and then by a 2-1 margin those voters say they opposed president trump. so, doesn't that suggest that he is a drag? >> no. well, i think it's really important to look. when you look at virginia specifically, which was more of the contested state than the new jersey race, virginia has voted for a governor who is the opposite party of the president every year since 1977 with the exception of one time. >> and yet the state house losses were dramatic. >> and all of those are typically decided on local issues. i worked in local and state politics almost my entire career until recently here and we tried to nationalize these and read
the tea leaves and sometimes we forget about the tea itself. i think when voters see what's going on in the country moving forward and we're just in the beginning of this. not even a full year into the president's term. i think as we look forward, you'll see more progress and they're going to get onboard with that agenda. >> let's talk about strategy moving forward. ed gillespie did not have president trump come out and campaign with him. he had the vice president and robo calls from president trump. does president trump need to get out on the campaign trail. he did that in the luther strange race. didn't work in that fight either. >> i think most of these elections are decided at a state level by the voters there. while sometimes you're going to have -- if it can benefit the candidate and think it will benefit the candidate, then you know the president will be there and in some cases these elections they believe otherwise and they have got to make peace with their decision in that race. now, obviously, ed gillespie ran his race the way he thought was the best place for him to win. that didn't work out. they will look at that moving
forward. >> do you think he faked the trump agenda as bannon said? is that fair? >> i think he embraced the parts of it that he necessarily wanted to and he pick and chose. but, again, virginia has a long history of voting against the incumbent president's party regardless of party. and, so y really don't think that this is something that is going to turn either way. >> let me get your take on what ed rollins has to say. he is, of course, republican strategist with pro-trump super pack. according to "washington post" the white house isn't paying attention to the suburbs and never really been a political operation there but they have where the whole party is able to win. why do you think republicans ignored the suburbs in this race? >> i'm not sure if they ignored the suburbs. i think if you're talking about the d.c. suburbs in northern virginia, it's typically a very liberal, democratic in the state of virginia. when you look at when the president's success nationally last year, he received so much support from the suburbs.
and that's where a message on tax reform is going to pbe so important. >> before we get to tax reform, i want to delve into that with you when you talk about the suburbs, they are critical. i take you point about what we saw in 2016. when you look at the races last week, overwhelmingly, women, young people were turning out for democrats. so, what do republicans need to do to do a better job of targeting those critical suburb areas not specifically in a state like -- >> tax reform. when voters go to the polls when they go next november or in 2020 and the average typical family of four in america is looking at a $1,200 tax cut that is something they will credit the republicans for and the president for and if they don't get it we know the answer is not going to necessarily be looking for a democrat. >> let me, well, let me press you on tax reform because there is a lot of disagreement over these state and local tax breaks.
you have lawmakers in states like new york and new jersey saying we can't get behind this legislation because it will wind up costing middle class families more. is that living up to the promises that the president set which is he is going to lower taxes for middle class americans? >> the average american get $1,200 tax cut. it varies from state to state. >> get rid of that provision given it is so controversial. >> that is something they'll negotiate out as we move ahead in the house and the senate. indiana is a low-tax state. you have middle class families go why can't i have a larger tax cut because offset california, illinois, new york and new jersey. so, there is a balancing act there. it just depends on where the votes are going to come from and how they can put them together. >> let me put it into this context. can the gop hold on to the house and senate if they don't get tax reform passed? >> i think it will be -- that's going to be an interesting question. >> yes or no? >> i'm not going to get into that kind of prediction. here's what i will tell you. the answer going forward.
if you are looking at a 2018 electorate is if tax reform doesn't get done or obamacare is not repealed, is the answer more democrats? democrats are not going to -- you can go back and say if i had three more republicans in the senate, obamacare would already be gone. if i had a few more republicans in the house, maybe we didn't have to negotiate on this or that. i think the president has set this up very well going into 2018 and i think tax reform is going to get done. >> very briefly. republicans are in control of both chambers. how can you argue it's not a referendum on republicans if it doesn't pass. >> a lot of people with different ideas in the republican party and they vote on their policies. the question is if you have more, you get more wiggle room to get things done. at the end of the day, i think they will get tax reform done by christmas. >> marc lotter, thank you. coming up, we'll hear from democratic voters who hear about what is next for their party as they deal with their own
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look at this morning's headlines. a long feud between tech companies and the fbi reignited in the wake of the texas church shooting. agents were unable to unlock devon kelley's cell phone to see what evidence it might hold. renee the neighbor of attacking senator rand paul next week pleading not guilty in court this morning on charges of fourth degree assault. paul tweeted yesterday that he suffered six broken ribs in the attack, as well as lung issues. the first dreamer to be deported under president trump for trying to reenter the country for the second time. apprehended monday near the border town where he lived most of his life. the 23-year-old claimed he was deported back in february despite having protections from daca. the government said he left the country without getting approval. well, it was devastating and a difficult moment. that's how some democratic voters describe the way they
felt one year ago after donald trump was elected president. so, what's next for the party and how will it overcome party divisions and critiques like these that say democrats are united against trump but divided on everything else. she's talking with democratic voters and gauging their temperature for staying politically engaged. what are voters telling you? >> voters were offering insight on what they're thinging as they were preparing to vote this week. in the shadow of hillary clinton's former campaign headquarters in brooklyn, the coffee was hot and so was the conversation with some democrats. we brought together to talk politics. a year ago this week there was an election. and it turned some people upside down and made some other people very happy. i want to know what it did for you. >> well, the news was
devastating. to hear that trump had been elected. i didn't really think it was possible that he would get elected. >> i felt pretty confident that hillary clinton was going to win the election. i thought she's going to win it and, you know, it was a very difficult moment. it was a very difficult evening. but then the next day you go to work. >> i think she was a flawed candidate. she tried to, she tried to get that same cool factor, if i must, that bernie sanders had. she had her campaign headquarters in brooklyn. had a very young staff. social media and everything like that. but she just wasn't excited. >> do you think the next president is going to come from the democratic party? >> not 100% clear to me someone who is holding elected office. it could be someone from outside the office that runs as a democrat. i think we really need to have an exciting figure and i think what trump showed was the ability to be able to walk into a party and sort of take it over. >> trump was able to grab people outside the republican party to
come support his message. i think the next democratic candidate will have to do the same thing. grab the people who deflected in the last election as well as inspire the new voters. we'll have to get those people back into the party to have a fighting chance at the election in 2020. >> what do you tell your children or the people in your community about with the president that we have. >> get involved. if you're worried about health care. get involved. we have a voice. i think we've already seen that the resistance to some of trump's initiatives have really affected politics and decisionmaking. >> got to make a distinction between republican policies and republicans. we might not like republican policies, but what we don't do is we don't attack the person. it's really important, i think, in a democracy whether to continue to be discourse and if
you start and you are not checking out of the process because you didn't like the outcome of the election. >> no, i'm all in. i'm all in. >> me, too. >> it's always great to talk with voters. this group of voters made it clear they're not taking anything for granted. they say they realize democrats just can't be anti-trump or the party of protest. they have to be about grassroots organizing and connecting with everyone and working on issues that matter to voters in the places where those voters live. kristen. >> rehe am, ma, i love that poi about civil discourse. thank you for that great report. really appreciate it. here to continue this incredible conversation is white house reporter for the associated press and iliana johnson. thanks for sticking around with me, ladies. let's talk about what this week's election really means and, catherine, i'll start with you. some democrats are celebrating. they say, hey, this means that we have a real chance to take
back the house, maybe even the senate. are their celebrations premature after republicans say virginia went for clinton. new jersey is reliably blue. >> i think we always say this that you can only read so much into one election. that has to be the caveat here. they had a really good night. i mean, that's absolutely true and you saw it just not at the top levels in virginia and new jersey, but also in local races, you know, in county level seats and in row offices. we were just talking about the suburbs of philadelphia which are real bellwether counties that you need to win to win a presidential race. you saw sort of historic turnout for democrats which is unusual. those things are big. how do they now harness energy and get the right message going into 2018 and still a lot of moving parts. >> one of the really fascinating points about what we saw on tuesday was the role that women played. let me give you a couple of statistics and then i'll have you respond on the other side.
"washington post" came out with an article that ralph northam won 61% of the vote and democrat phil murphy received 55% of the female vote. and in addition to that, this is really interesting. a record number of female candidates ran for state legislature positions and we're talking about an 18% increase for women in the virginia ballot and 10% jump for the number of women seeking office in new jersey. what does this mean potentially when you think about the midterms? >> i do think that you're seeing women in particular, but also democrats more broadly really galvanized by their opposition to trump. we didn't see in the four special elections, but you are seeing it now. for republicans during 2016, they had hillary clinton had that effect and they really came out to vote against her. it wasn't that they loved donald trump so much, but it is really that hillary clinton brought the party together. what i think will be interesting to watch for democrats is that
when republicans were the out party for eight years, their opposition to president obama and then to clinton brought them out to the polls in droves. but now that they're in power, it's very clear there is no unifying ideology. the party is totally splintered. the question for me is, if democrats regain a majority in the house, perhaps in the senate, they clearly are unified in their opposition to trump. but is there more that unifies the party or are we going to start seeing these greater ideological fractures? >> what democrats still seem to be missing is a message. >> there's still, i think, this major division within the democratic party. and we've seen that play out in the last week or so too. you have the bernie sanders progressive wing and that still, those conflicts and those rifts from '16 are not resolved. that will continue to be a problem going into '18. i think the other thing, too, as you look at republicans, the results this week just put more pressure on the tax reform.
>> absolutely. i think that is going to be critical. all right. thank you. another great part of our conversation just a year after the election we're checking on a family that was so divided over president trump that a mother and daughter didn't actually speak for three months. coming up, their story of putting politics aside and family first. you don't want to miss it. natu, causing a lack of sharpness, or even trouble with recall. thankfully, the breakthrough in prevagen helps your brain and actually improves memory. the secret is an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. the name to remember. i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i got a medicare supplement insurance plan.
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year after the 2016 presidential election. remember these headlines? coping with family when politics gets a little too personal. one headline reads, i love my parents. i hate their politics. and here's yet another. can family trump trump? msnbc is following up with families that were divided among party lines during last year's elections. asking whether they made peace. so, mariana, have they made any peace since then? >> they're still trying to work it out. the election may have come and gone, but that created among families, among many close-knit friends. it is not fading. in fact, one therapist says tells me she's still getting an unusual high number of clients with how to deal with that personal divide in their relationships. we followed one family who is still trying to work it out one year later. a year after the election, tina win's family remains divided. >> i voted for hillary and my
mother voted for trump. >> in her home office in sacramento -- >> she'll post this. >> she's flooded by dozens of pro-trump facebook posts from her mom in missouri. >> i don't think she understands what she's posting. >> the biggest fight this year over the so-called travel ban and all played out on facebook. >> i just find it ironic that she could sympathize what was happening with this man. >> i'm a refugee. we need to know the background of the people. >> tina says the feud tore them apart. >> about three full months i hadn't spoken to her until her birthday. >> i lose her for a few months and that was a sad thing. >> their different political views didn't just affect the way this family talked to each other, it also changed their
plans for the future. >> it definitely makes me reevaluate my relationship with her. i really had to lay down the law and say if i do have children, this is what we can talk about. these are things you can share, but not the political. >> to sacrifice my own opinion to keep the family, i'll do it because my family is more important to me. >> hey, mom. >> although it's taken them a year, tina and her mom agree, family comes first. >> mr. trump has caused so much pain in so many families like myself that we just have to realize he can't have that big of an effect. we can't let him have that big of an effect. >> it's four years and then another election coming and it's just different opinion. we should respect each other. >> you see that strong mother/daughter bond. but that divide over the trump presidency has been tough for them to overcome.
and you also see what big a role social media plays in all of this. when you saw tina's facebook feed and her mom's facebook feed they were getting different articles because of the algorithms. social media exacerbating that divide. kristen? >> really interesting point. i love that they're now trying to work it out, though. so important. >> also the holiday is something that is, you know, on everyone's mind. how to deal with this political divide over thanksgiving and christmas and most everyone we talked to said the formula, no politics on the dinner table. >> i think that's very smart. lots of turkey and stuffing. not so much politics. all right, mariana, great story. thanks so much. really appreciate it. with thanksgiving only two weeks away, the aggressive timeline house republicans set for tax reform is just flying by. coming up, i'll talk to a new york republican congressman who is still reviewing the plan and they'll ask him about some possible tax increases for people in his district. can he get behind the bill? you manage your a1c, ave ,
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from the first place. >> that's senator john cornyn just moments ago saying the senate is just trying to stay out of the house's way when it comes to tax reform ahead of the senate releasing their own tax bill a little bit later on this joining me now is republican congressman john fasso. thanks for joining us. >> thank you very much. >> i'm curious. you said you're still reviewing the tax plan. you've had a week now. what are you still reviewing? what in particular is the biggest sticking point for you? >> well, there are a number of provisions. the deductibility of state taxes is an issue for me coming from new york state. the issue of medical expense deductions. and how the pass through arrangements for small businesses are being made. overall, there's a lot in this bill to get our economy going and get it growing much faster that i like. but i am concerned about a couple of provisions. the house ways and means committee is as we speak still marking up this bill.
so we don't have a final product yet. i'm going to wait to see what the final product is as i determine what's the best thing for america and upstate new york. >> so you can't say right now whether or not you support this bill? >> well, again, i can't, but there are many aspects in this bill that i think are terrific. lowering the corporate tax rates to incentivize jobs back in this country, that is something i think all americans want. >> congressman, yeah, let me drill down on you a little bit with the sticking points you just mentioned and it has to do with the tax breaks. middle class median household income in your district just shy of $60,000 according to a recent government report. more than 25% of taxpayers making between $55,000 and $75,000 will actually see an increase in their taxes by 2023. i know that you feel like a lot of those are your constituents. >> they are. >> so do you need to see that
math change in order to get behind this? >> that's on a five-year expiration of certain tax breaks which we believe will be extended by congress by 2021 or '22. the bill would provide a substantial tax reduction for those middle class taxpayers who are now getting stuck with a higher tax bill. what they're talking about is certain tax exemptions, credits, et cetera, are scheduled to exspie expire midterm in this window. we expect those tax breaks for middle class people to be extended. that's really just an accounting question at this stage. the larger issue is is this tax bill going to generate higher economic growth and there are higher wages for people? i believe it will. but again, there are aspects of the proposal as they're working it now, the higher the state and local tax deduction that are still a concern for people from new york. >> can you support this bill if
those tax deductions are not extended? >> well, i believe those tax -- the state tax deduction is one that we really have to try to accommodate in this. we shouldn't be able to just throw as of january 1, 2018, everyone's state tax deduction out the window. this effects new york state in a dramatic way. at the same time, only 30% of my taxpayers today in my district itemize. it's estimated that fewer than 10% would itemize if this legislation were enacted. because of the doubling of the standard deduction. >> well, let me ask you a little bit of politics now. in 2016 mr. trump won your district by about seven points. you won by about eight points which is a healthy margin. but do you think if you don't get tax reform done, that it could hurt your chances for re-election? i know some voters are already upset obamacare wasn't repealed and replaced.
>> i'm about trying to make sure we get this right for the american people. get it right for our small businesses. that's where 70% of the jobs in upstate new york come from. >> but isn't it critical that you pass tax reform to show -- and some republicans have said this to me. they say, we have to get this done to show we can govern. because we have control of both chambers. >> well, that's something i've been saying for ten months i've been in congress. get things done. and whether it's on daca or on tax reform or other issues, i've been a proponent of getting things done here. so i'm not worried about the politics next year. i'll let those of you, the pundits worry about that. i'm worried about getting this stuff done, getting the job done so that middle class taxpayers but also our economy grows faster. this is the key to creating jobs and opportunity in places like upstate new york. faster economic growth. it was too slow during the obama years. we've got to grow it faster. that's why fixing this broken tax code with 70,000 pages of
regulations is so critical. >> before i let you go. the question of the day and within republican circles right now seems to be, is it smarter to embrace president trump in 2018 in the midterms or is it smarter to run away from him? to distance yourself? >> again, i do whatever i said during the campaign. which is i support whoever would be elected president whether it was hillary clinton or donald trump when i agree with them and i don't support them when i disagree with him. there are areas i disagree with them, but that's just the way politics is. and i'm not worried about what the ramifications are for next year. the job in front of us is to fix this broken tax code, get our economy moving, and get more paychecks for our workers. >> congressman john faso, thank you so much. i know it is a busy day there. we appreciate your taking time to speak with us.
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heroi heroism. thank you for paying the medal of honor for these brave men and women. thank, y'all. >> a well deserved honor, indeed. thanks so much for watching this hour of "msnbc live." right now more news with my colleague ali velshi. we're tracking so many stories today. but that story on capitol hill, that moment may be the most important. >> agreed. kristen, thanks so much. we'll see you later today. kristen welker for us in washington. good morning, everyone. i'm ali velshi. stephanie rhule is on assignment in washington. it's thursday, november 9th. let's get started. >> its version of a tax plan that will have differences from the house version. >> the senate plan is expected to eliminate deductions for state and local deductions. >> could you guarantee no middle class family would see their taxes go up? >> i don't think you can guarantee every filer is -- that that's going to be the