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president trump and vladimir putin taking place on the sidelines of the asia summit. the president telling reporters the topic of election meddling did come up. president trump says putin again denied meddling and that he believes putin's repeated denials. meanwhile, president trump is on to the next stop on his asia trip, landing in hanoi, vietnam, just over an hour ago where he received an elaborate welcome. nbc's chris jansing is in hanoi with more on this discussion between president president trump and putin. what more did we learn about the meddling question? >> reporter: yeah, it's really extraordinary. this whole conversation between putin and trump lasted, according to press secretary sarah sanders, less than five minutes. but then he talked about it with reporters on air force one for about 25 minutes. not only did he say that he asked president putin about meddling, that he denied it, but then he went further to criticize both hillary clinton and barack obama and said that this made-up story about collusion, this made-up story
about meddling is, in fact, costing lives. i want to read to you a couple of the chunks of the conversation that the president had with reporters, and let's start at the top when the question was asked, did russia's attempt to meddle in u.s. elections come up in the conversation? the president said, he said he didn't meddle, he said he didn't meddle. i asked him again. you can only ask so many times. question, today? i just asked him again. he said he absolutely did not med until our election. he did not do what they are saying he did. do you believe him, the president was asked. well, look, i can't stand there and argue with him. i would rather have him get out of syria. i would rather get to work with him on the ukraine rather than arguing about whether or not that whole thing was set up by the democrats. look at podesta. look at all the things that they have done with the phoney dossier. those are the big events. putin said they did not do what
they said he did. we have a good feeling toward getting things done. we have a relationship with russia. that would be a good thing. in fact, it would be a great thing, not a bad thing because that could really help us in north korea. and he went on later in that 25-minute interview on the plane saying how much this is getting in the way of getting things done, for example on north korea. he said, it gets in the way and that's a shame because people will die because of it. and it's a pure hit job and it's artificially induced and that's a shame. he said hillary didn't have what it took to have the kind of relationship that he has with putin and that barack obama did not have the right chemistry. as a follow-up later on, he was asked about his relationships with authoritarian leaders, his admiration for people like xi in china. he said, he's a good person, a good person who wants a good man, who wants to do the right
thing. he said, he also has great relationships with a lot of other people. everybody in that room, he said. theresa may he named. he mentioned angela merkel, justin trudeau. he said he asked briefly of president xi would he be willing to open up china to twitter and other social media, but he said that was a very brief part of the conversation. they were more focused on north korea and trade. one domestic issue that came up in that gaggle on air force one, dara, was about the alabama senate candidate roy moore, who is under a lot of pressure to drop out of the race amid accusations that he had inappropriate relationships with teenagers when he was in his 30s. the president said he hasn't had a lot of time to focus on that. look, i've been meeting with the leaders of china and russia, but i will look further into that when i get home. he has a state dinner here tonight, and then he will be heading on to manila before he wraps up this 12-day asian trip. dara? >> chris jansing traveling with
the president in vietnam. chris, thank you so much. happening now in honor of this veterans day, vice president pence this morning has joined volunteers in cleaning the wall at the vietnam veterans memorial in washington. this is a live picture of that event. pence's wife karen is also taking part, along with the secretary of veterans affairs and interior secretary ryan zinke. rater this morning, the vice president will take part in a service at arlington national cemetery. now to the president's overseas trip. let's bring in kevin cirilli and jonathan allen. great to have you here this morning, guys. >> good morning. thank you. >> jonathan, i want to start with you. this is a big point this morning. president trump asking vladimir putin whether he meddled in the election. he said he asked him a few times, are you surprised that the president asked? because it's not surprising that putin would deny it, correct? >> it's not surprising that putin would deny it.
it is a little surprising that the president would ask, since as he told reporters on air force one, he believes it's not true in the first place and believes it was something generated by democrats. again, at the same time, it's interesting because what you have right now is the president of the united states essentially saying he doesn't believe the russians meddled. not that he doesn't believe there was collusion between his campaign and the russians, which is a secondary question, but that he doesn't believe there was meddling by the russians, which is at odds with essentially the entire american intelligence community, you know, that was in place during the 2016 election. a lot of the people in the intelligence community who continue to serve there under president trump and pretty much anyone who's familiar with the allegations that russia meddled in the election. >> and kevin, president trump seems to say that he believes putin's denials with respect to the election meddling question. what's your reaction to that? >> good morning, dara. that, i think, is the broader takeaway here, president trump continuing to suggest that perhaps russia did not meddle
into the election despite a series of top u.s. intelligence officials from various agencies from the nsa to the fbi, cia, all testifying before congress several times, saying that there was evidence of that. we should note that it was not just meddling into republican institutions but democrat party institutions as well as business and financial institutions like those in silicon valley. hearing after hearing after hearing, lawmakers in both parties have raised the concerns about how russia has done this. and the question becomes from expert thats i talked to as well as republicans, including people like senator suzanne collins, it becomes what is the u.s., what is this mrlgs, what are lawmakers doing to prevent this from happening again in 2018 and 2020 elections? but also, what are lawmakers and what is government doing to protect business institutions from hacks not just from russia but from china as well as other countries around the world. >> jonathan, does the president have but no choice to say he
believes putin here? >> i think it would be very difficult for him to say that he doesn't believe putin. rightly, the president points out there are a lot of issues on which the united states and russia are under dissension and in negotiations, including how to deal with the syria situation p situation. to call out putin as a liar wouldn't be good. that said, the president saying the russians didn't meddle is very much at odds with the intelligence community. i think most of the president's team would argue there was no collusion. i think a lot fewer people in the president's orbit would argue there was no attempt by the russians to meddle in the election. >> jonathan, stay with me. i want to ask you about this fallout over the allegations against senate candidate roy moore. two senators have taken back their endorsements, as opposed
to waiting for more proof of the allegations. you've been talking to republicans who are saying roy moore is more trouble than a senate seat's worth. how do you see the implications on this, and how much leverage do they have at this point? >> the farther you get from the senate chamber, the more likely republicans are to say that they don't want to see roy moore win that election in alabama, that they don't want to see him seated in the senate. however, if you are a republican member of the senate, you understand that you kind of need as many votes as you can get. if roy moore losings that seat, that's one fewer vote you have for tax reform and other items on the president's agenda. there's a concern about that, and there's a concern if he gets seated that, will have ramifications for other republicans, that there will be a spread of difficulty for other republicans heading into next year's midterms. so as one republican strategist told me yesterday, it's a no win situation through and through. i asked, you know, so is it worth it to have him, he said no, it's not worth it. >> and kevin, what do you think?
how does this go forward? >> i think first and foremost, these allegations are so damning. the caliber of republicans who have come out against him from all different factions of the conservative movement, people like former presidential nominee mitt romney, as well as senator mike lee, who essentially said, i don't want my face anywhere near this guy in terms of fundraising, please remove it. so the denouncements have been swift. the second point that i would make, dara, is to piggy back off what john was saying. remember todd aiken and that rhetoric he was using and every republican on the down ballot had to answer to that. that's a similar situation republicans could find themselves, even well beyond the next five weeks. >> kevin, jonathan, thank you for spending your saturday morning with us. great having you. >> always. nowhere else i'd rather baa. >> thanks, dara. the legal implications as alabama senate candidate roy
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a reminder for you that today is veterans day, time to salute the men and women who courageously served in the armed forces. that means parades will be held throughout the country, and you'll find post offices closed and most banks. as a special thanks, restaurant chains across the country will give free or discounted meals to veterans and those on active duty. alabama senate candidate roy moore delivers his first interview since he was accused of sexual misconduct. this as republicans leaders scramble to maintain damage control. nbc's gabe gutierrez is in alabama where moore is expected to make his first public
appearance since the allegations surfaced. gabe, what other fallout has there been since these accusations? >> reporter: hi, dara. good morning. a lot of fallout on capitol hill. here in alabama, roy moore still enjoys a lot of support. now, he's scheduled to appear at a veterans day event here at this public library later today. as you mentioned, it would be his first public appearance other than that radio interview since the bombshell allegations first broke. and now at least two senate republicans have pulled their endorsements from the controversial candidate. >> you should stand and put your hand over your heart. >> reporter: this morning, roy moore is not backing down, attacking the explosive "washington post" report that detailed allegations of sexual misconduct with a 14-year-old girl back in 1979. >> i believe they're politically motivated. i believe they're brought only to stop a very successful campaign, and that's what they're doing. >> reporter: in a radio interview, moore, the combative republican candidate trying to
fill jeff sessions' senate seated, says he does not remember his main accuser, leigh corfman, and says her allegations are completely false, but he did not rule out dating other teenagers when he was in his 30s. >> i don't remember that, and i don't remember ever dating any girl without the permission of her mother. >> reporter: one of the accusers claims that moore provided her with alcohol when she was 18, beneath the legal drinking age. moore denies it. >> we're also doing an investigation, and we have some evidence of some collusion here, but we're not ready to put that to the public just yet. >> reporter: among many republicans, swift criticism. john mccain and mitt romney calling moore unfit for office. congresswoman barbara comstock tweeting harvey weinstein, anthony weiner, roy moore, no more. >> i believe in the second amendment. >> reporter: but the judge's supporters say the allegations are false and politically motivated just weeks before a crucial special election. >> he's a man of honesty and integrity. he's a man of faith.
it's just not in his dna to do anything like that. >> reporter: the state auditor telling nbc news there's been a long history of romances and marriages with teenage girls. >> i just don't think that he did what he's being accused of. >> so you plan to vote for roy moore in the election next month? >> yes. >> reporter: the senate gop campaign arm has now severed ties with roy moore, making it harder for him to fund raise. that special election is in about a month. again, roy moore insists he is not dropping out. back to you. >> gabe, no doubt a busy day ahead for you. gabe gutierrez live in alabama. thank you, gabe. joining me now is msnbc legal analyst. danny, good morning to you. do any of these allegations leave roy moore legally exposed? >> probably not, but it is a close call. here's what i mean. in 1979, the statute of limitations for felonies, and that's the year that this alleged conduct happened with an
under 16 victim, the statute of limitations was three years. so that would have brought him up to 1982. in 1985, the alabama legislature amended their statute of limitations to infinity for crimes like these. in other words, there was no statute of limitations after 1985 for sex crimes involving a victim under 16. and that's the category this alleged crime would have fallen into. in this case, the statute of limitations in 1979 expired in 1982. if this conduct did happen in 1979, there is no longer time to bring this case. >> so if there is no statute of limitation involved, would his behavior still be considered criminal? >> theoretically, you know, for that we go back to the film "casablanca." legally it may be the case that if it's a kiss, a kiss is but a kiss and it's not a crime. there are virtually no reported cases, not just in alabama, but
in the entire country where a kiss alone was conduct that was criminal because alabama law requires sexual conduct, touching for sexual gratification of someone's intimate parts. are the lips considered intimate parts? reasonable minds may disagree, but practically speaking, it's almost never the case that a criminal prosecution is brought for the kiss alone. it's often a kiss in conjunction with touching of intimate parts. if those things happened, if we could theoretically remove the statute of limitations and allegedly these things did happen, then this could be a prosecutable offense. >> danny, i want to ask this question to you because in that -- what roy moore said, he said he had to ask their mothers for permission to date. does that make any difference? >> legally speaking, it makes no difference. you can imagine that if a mother consented to someone dating her
12-year-old, and that's not what happened here, it makes no legal distinction whatsoever. in fact, it would make the mother a co-conspirator. and this is just an imagination, a conjecture. just a legal thought exercise. but no, it would make no legal difference. it might make a moral difference, but it would make no legal distinction whatsoever. >> so many more questions here. danny cevallos, thank you for joining us this saturday morning. well, it was a change of heart or a new strategy? what to make of the president's comments, new comments this week about trade with china. copd makes it hard to breathe. so to breathe better, i go with anoro. ♪go your own way copd tries to say, "go this way." i say, "i'll go my own way" with anoro. ♪go your own way once-daily anoro contains two medicines called bronchodilators, that work together to significantly improve lung function all day and all night.
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steve, good morning to you. >> good morning. >> mr. trump said he asked the russian leader again about the country's election meddling. as you might expect, mr. putin denied it. so what is the president's motivation to keep asking if he himself doesn't believe it? and which audience is he trying to satisfy? >> well, i think he's trying to satisfy an audience and in part american reporters and even his own staff who are pushing him to continue to put this on the agenda with putin because the u.s. audience expects the united states president to kind of get somewhere on this election meddling question. it's an issue that we're going to be litigating for a long time. even john kelly, the former secretary of homeland security, presided over the department of homeland security, which communicated to 21 states, specifically telling them they had been hacked by the russians. so we're hoping at some point to see donald trump recognize that and stand by his own intelligence agencies and what we've found, and then to get vladimir putin to pay some sort
of price for that or to commit not to do it again so that we can move beyond the relationship. there's nothing wrong with trying to find a different pathway with russia as we move forward, but there is something wrong with doing that without an acknowledgment and a change of course by russia in that. so trump is at a standstill where he's being compelled by his advisers to continue to raise it, even though he seems very, very swayed by vladimir putin on the personal level and reluctantly raises this and in a way takes putin's side, which is a fascinating thing to see. >> and steve, mr. trump is also blaming democrats for putting up what he calls artificial barriers between himself and putin. so what's preventing him from meeting officially with vladimir putin? >> frankly, i don't find that to be true. i don't find any reason why they couldn't have had a more full meeting when they were over there. i don't understand donald
trump's comments. they met three times during this meeting in vietnam. and originally h.r. mcmaster had come out and said they were still trying to sort out the meeting. it seemed a lot like the run up to the g-20 summit in hamburg where they were unwilling to say what kind of meeting. in fact, they came out and said the two would not meet because of conflict and schedules, then we find out they've had three encounters, side discussions, and they're even going to issue a joint statement on syria. so they are trying to evade the press to some degree on this. >> steve, i've got to get this in real quick. i want to ask you about kim jong-un, who's been a big discussion point. why do you think kim jong-un has not conducted a missile test in 58 days? >> i think china is having an effect. i think china is basically putting it to kim jong-un that during this trip, it was very surprising, many of us expected some sort of test. i think china's having some effect. >> steve clemens, great to have you here. thanks so much for your insight this morning. >> thank you. >> have a great saturday.
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