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tonight on "all in" -- >> he said you're just a child. >> new accusations in alabama. >> if you tell anyone about this, no one will ever believe you. >> another woman comes forward saying roy moore sexually assaulted her when she was 16. >> mr. moore attacked me when i was a child. i did nothing to deserve this sexual attack. >> tonight the harrowing story of roy moore's latest accuser. republicans run for the exits as they scheme to save his senate seat. >> i believe the women, yes. >> and the white house floats a jeff session appointment after roy moore wins. >> this article is a prime
example of fake news. then, as the president defends putin -- >> i believe that president putin really feels, and he feels strongly that he did not meddle in our election. >> explosive new reporting from the atlantic's julia yafey on donald trump's secret campaign connection with wikileaks. >> "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes, and we are now witnessing in realtime one of the most spectacular political and moral implosions in recent political memory. not just of a single politician, but of an entire political party. today a fifth woman came forward to accuse roy moore, the republican senate candidate in alabama's special election next month of pursuing her when she was a teenager and he was an assistant district attorney in his 30s. at a press conference today, beverly young nelson said she was inspired by the four women who told "the washington post" on the record last week about their own run-ins with moore as
teenagers decades ago to recount her story of being violently sexually assaulted at age 16 by the man who could still be alabama's next u.s. senator. according to nelson, moore was a regular at the restaurant where she worked in high school. and after flirting with her over a period of time and signing her yearbook, one night he offered her a ride home. a warning, nelson's account is disturbing. >> he stopped the car, and he parked his car in between the dumpster and the back of the restaurant, where there were no lights. the area was dark and it was deserted. i -- i was alarmed, and i immediately asked him what he was doing. instead of answer aing my questions, mr. moore reached over and began groping me and putting his hands on my breasts.
i tried to open my car door to leave, but he reached over and he locked it so i could not get out. i tried fighting him off while yelling at him to stop. but instead of stopping, he began squeezing my neck, attempting to force my head on to his crotch. i continued to struggle. i was determined that i was not going to allow him to force me to have sex with him. i was terrified. he was also trying to pull my shirt off. i thought that he was going to rape me. >> according to nelson, moore eventually allowed her to open the car door and escape, calling on the senate judiciary committee to investigate her testimony. and nelson said politics played no part in her decision to come forward.
>> my husband and i supported donald trump for president. this has nothing whatsoever to do with the republicans or the democrats. it has everything to do with mr. moore's sexual assault when i was a teenager. >> nelson brought with her a copy of that yearbook that she says moore signed. the inscription reads to a sweeter, more beautiful girl coy not say merry christmas, christmas 1977, love roy moore, d.a. according to the incident in his car, he reportedly invoked his job as district attorney to invoke his power over her. >> he said you're just a child and he said i am the district attorney. of etowah county. and if you tell anyone about this, no one will ever believe you. >> that press conference took place this afternoon, but it was first announced this morning some time around 10:30 a.m. by noon, mitch mcconnell was suddenly ready to cut roy moore
loose, going way past his earlier statement that moore should withdraw from the race if the allegations are true. >> do you believe these allegations to be true? >> i believe the women, yes. >> are you calling for him to step down from that senate race? >> i do. i think he should step aside. >> after the press conference, the republican conference went even further. cory gardner calling for the full senate to expel moore if he should win the special election on december 12th. but moore and his allies remain defiant, copying the playbook who went on to win the election over a year ago. moore called the new allegations absolutely false. >> i never did what she said i did. i don't even know the woman. i don't know anything about her. i don't even know where the restaurant is or was. if this is a political maneuver, it has nothing to do with reality. it's all about politics.
>> he doesn't know where the restaurant is. but we should note here that the name of the restaurant, old hickory house was included in the inscription in nelson's yearbook from roy moore, d.a. responding to mcconnell's comments this moring, the moore campaign tweeted the person who should step aside is mitch mcconnell. he has failed conservatives and must be replaced, #drain the swamp. moore has threatened to sue "the washington post" and hinted he has some kind of exculpatory information to reveal. allies of breitbart news have sent to reporters of alabama in an effort to discredit moore's accusers. the one person we have yet to hear from, the president of the united states, whose spokesperson told nbc news the president will look at this issue after he returns from his trip overseas. rebecca tracer, writer at large for "new york" magazine is without a new piece on the post harvey weinstein reckoning. that is a fantastic read. your reaction to that press conference today. >> well, it was a stunning press conference. it was incredibly painful to watch. it was clear one of the things
that was hard to think about as you're listening to her tell this story is it's been 40 years. she hasn't talked about this. she didn't talk about it when he won the primary. she didn't -- it's taken all of this time to get her to be able to tell the story that you -- that is obviously incredibly painful for her, that must have been formative and life altering. and this man has become a candidate for the u.s. senate. a and that didn't prompt her to come forward. and here she was finally telling this story. i think it's systematic of the way in which our view of the world is being shifted very radically and very uncomfortably for everybody. and i think the points about politics that she comes from a republican -- she is a republican. her husband voted for trump, that she made clear this is not born out of politics that was true for the other three women. "the washington post" was very clear last week in saying these were trump voters. these are republicans. they did not come forth with any kind of ideological cudgel. the point is new things are
being revealed and understood about how power has been wielded, especially sexually. it is part of a conversation that obviously has exploded over the past six weeks. and here it is in that incredibly painful story. >> and also, what i was struck by was that line you're a child, i'm district attorney. no one will believe you. here she is telling us with the expectation that now 40 years later she will be believed. and i think the effect. >> it is a gamble, though. let me say. >> usually, yes. >> we are at this moment where maybe she has been persuaded by the tenor of the conversation, by the fact that for the first time in decades, in generations, we are taking these kinds of power abuses and sexual abuses seriously and putting them on the front pages of newspapers, and talking about what they mean structurally as far as gender impairty. yes, we're taking it seriously for the first time.
we took this seriously a year ago. 20 women, more than 20 women accused donald trump of assault or harassment. donald trump was caught confessing about being able to grab women, you know. if he wanted to. it didn't matter. he was still elected. arnold schwarzenegger. there is this piece about the women who covered arnold schwarzenegger who was accused by multiple women of being groped. he was elected governor of california. there is a long history in the united states of women coming forward with stories like this. not being believed. his promise that 40 years being made manifest in the fact that, and he is trying this right now, roy moore is saying this is false news. >> it is literally the trump playbook. >> yes. discredit fake news, attempt to dischristopher darden credit the women, threaten a lawsuit. >> it is all trump. and donald trump won a year ago. and he now controls the courts and the agencies that determine how these kinds of crimes are going to be dealt with in workplaces and in criminal courts for lifetime appointments. >> there is two pieces across today that i want to get your feedback on.
because they really remind me of the preweinstein reporting, which is that once weinstein, other allegations came out, there was all this back reporting, and you wrote a great piece about this. here is first the new yorker saying locals were troubled by roy moore's interactions with teen girls at the gadsden mall. and then i think crucially, al.com, local outlet with locally sourced quotes from folks in gadsden say moore's predatory behavior at mall restaurants not a secret. this guy has been a public guy for 40 years. and 40 years you have folks in his small town in hometown alabama alabama say oh, yeah, people knew roy moore used to cruise the mall. >> this why these stories haven't come out until now. this is what women and in some cases men have been living with for all of our lifetimes and for our parents and our grandparents and great grandparents that these power imbalances meant these rumors could exist. the whisper networks could exist. we could all sort of know these guys were doing these things. but whenever it was talked about it was laughed off or ignored.
everybody could nudge each other, but it doesn't matter. they kept on getting the jobs. they kept on getting elected. again, that just happened. there has been -- that is systematic of why when this explosion is happening, it feels like it's happening in so many different directions and there are so many stories. it's because there are thousands of stories that have been smothered and suffocated for our lifetimes. >> rebecca, a fantastic piece i really recommend. thank you for being here. author of "god: a human history" and michael steele msnbc political analyst. michael, start with you. it seems clear this institutional level a lot of republicans decided to cut off roy moore today. i should note the rnc still has a joint fundraising agreement with moore. they have not backed out of it. it also has 11 field operatives on the ground in alabama. should they be pulling out of
that? >> i think they should immediately. i think the senatorial committee has begun to do that as well. and it's appropriate. i think beverly's comment today, her testimony, if you will today not only important and riveting, but definitive. and i think for anyone, and you saw this, chris, the number of republicans making very clear now where they stand on this. to not be clear as to where they should stand on this will have some real problems down the road. setting that aside, i think the party right now needs to distance itself. it's not even distancing. it is total heisman. it is like a rejection, a push-off from this campaign which is a national embarrassment to the country and to the party. >> reza, you wrote in "the new york times" about the people that were still supporting roy moore, particularly among evangelical christians there has been amazing percentages who feel it's fine for a personal they support to have personal moral failings.
50 pastors signed letter before today's allegation. what do you make of that? >> what you're talking about in the span of a single election cycle, white evangelicals in this country went from being the group that was most likely to say that a politician's public morality matters to now being the group that is least likely to say that. and, again, this is partly the trump effect. i mean, i think the same where trump has transformed the republican party. he has turned a large swath of american evangelicalism kind of into his own personal cult if you will. and i think these people really see, and you can hear it in the rhetoric when they say i would rather have a child molester than a democrat. >> which are literal quotes. >> literal quotes that we're hearing. you can see how this mentality is starting to affect the very core of american evangelicalism. >> well, and that's -- mike, that's what is sort of remarkable about the situation.
you have man accused of molesting a child, of attempting to rape a 16-year-old who is now the party's nominee. it's too late for his name to come off the ballot. so there is that problem. but there is also the fact that a big chunk of alabama republicans think that he's either they're lying about him or they still support him anyway. if you come tell him that mitch mcconnell pulled his support, they don't care. and donald trump has yet to weigh in because there is stuff i think to his mind on both sides of the ledger. >> yeah. and i think when the president does weigh in, and there is already some indications tonight about how the president, at least some of his team are looking at this, that they're looking for solution that is going to be the least disruptive to the process, if you will. and that would include the president sort of making it very clear that maybe we'll point the attorney general back to his seat should roy moore get elected. but, yeah, there is a new reality coming to bear here for
republicans, the white house, the president in particular when he gets back here to the united states that will have to be addressed. there is no hiding from this there is no play indicating it. there is no more excuse-making if, but, when, then. you're either definitively clear that roy moore should not be seated as a united states senator, as i am and many other republicans are, or you're going to backslide your way in making excuses and to be honest with you, we have no use for that in the republican party. >> i think mr. steele is right in the sense that the gop is trying to put a band-aid on this problem. but this is a systemic issue that is rotting the very core of the gop. and it's a problem that they created on their own by marrying -- this was steve bannon's entire purpose, right, by marrying -- >> this is the bannon guy who called roy moore a righteous man. >> steve bannon has said publicly that he wants to manipulate the christian right in this country to marry it with the alt-right and to create this
group whose anxieties and whose fears about being left behind by the progress of society can be used to further trump's agenda. and the gop has fallen for it. and that is the reckoning. >> hey, chris? >> yeah. >> can i adjust that point real quick? >> please do. >> that reza just raised. the back story on where the evangelical christians are on this is really straight forward. this is all about the supreme court. this is all about -- >> yep. >> -- about the president and staying strong with the president so that appointments can be made that can reverse the roe versus wade decisions, that can push back on the gay marriage decisions and the other social agendas that have found some credence with the current supreme court. so that's what holds a lot of these evangelicals in place. >> absolutely. >> which in my view, well -- i won't get into that. >> no, i want your view.
what do you think of that? >> i think it's stupid! you cannot foresake morality if you have been preaching and judging the country for the last 40 years on their behavior, their lifestyles who they love, who they don't love, what they do, what they don't say. and then all of the sudden because you want a supreme court appointment, you're going to throw all of that away? to me is just the height of hypocrisy. >> there is one thing that is very important in this conversation that we are primarily talking about white evangelicals. 81% of white evangelicals voted for donald trump. that's a record, as you know. but 67% of evangelicals of color supported hillary clinton. these are people who believe the same thing, who hold the same theology. >> same faith tradition. >> but have a different skin tone. let's not forget the racial element. >> michael, here is the last thing on this. i'm watching now, i'm watching republicans attempt to kind of solve a rubik's cube, well we have roy moore and he as accused of this, but we want the senate seat. it's almost getting ridiculous. it's get mortgage and more
outlandish. you vote for him but then we'll expel him from the senate and kay ivey will be able to appoint a republican so we still get the seat. at some point the republican party nominated this guy and the republican party is going to have to stand or fall by -- they might have to lose a seat. i guess i feel like the punishment here is you lose the seat if you nominate roy moore. >> and here is the truth of it. you lose the seat in 2018. you get it back in 2024. >> exactly. when it goes back on cycle. >> the special election. that's right. because the democrat is not going to hold that seat but for a hot minute. so that democratic by the way -- >> all of that grief. >> democrat doug jones, a career prosecutor, prosecutored the kkk that murdered those four girls in the birmingham church. a very credible person who now stands against someone who has now been accused credibly twice of molesting a child and attempted rape on a 16-year-old. reza aslan and michael steele, great to have you both.
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wikileaks twitter account secretly traded direct messages during the election. the messages including wikileaks sending trump jr. the password for a new anti-trump website, trying to get donald trump's tax returns. not because the returns would be newsworthy, but because, listen to this, this is wikileaks talking. if we publish them, it will dramatically improve the perception of our impartiality, wikileaks explained that means the vast amount of stuff that we're publishing on clinton will have much higher impact because it won't be perceived as coming from a pro-trump, pro-russia source. hi, don, if your father lose, we think it is much more interesting if he does not concede and spends time challenging the media and other types of rigging that occurred, as he has implied he might do. the reporter who broke that story, julia ioffe, joins me now. well, this is a heck of a scoop. wow.
wow, wow, wow. what's your sort of top line take away about these exchanges? >> well, so there is two things. the first thing is how the exchanges make donald trump jr. look. he has since posted the screen shots that he has turned over, or that he had turned over to congressional investigators, he has now posted them on his twitter feed, which seems to be his kind of go-to method. and, you know, he responded to some of these messages. and he says, look, here is my whopping three responses. but if you look at the correspondence, and if you look at how they match up with his twitter feed and his father's twitter feed who is now the president of the united states of america you, can you see that at least initially both he and his father were acting on requests from wick which ki leaks. >> i want to show that. i think that's important. here is one response when they say on october 3rd, wikileaks haya, it would be great if you guys could comment on, push the story, wikileaks suggested pushing a quote from democratic candidate hillary clinton. i should be that quote is
unsourced. it comes from a slightly random outlet. it's unclear whether she ever said that and then don jr., already did that earlier today. it's amazing what she can get away with. and then there is this one. strongly suggest your dad tweets this link if he mentioned us, pointing trump jr. to wikileak.tk said it would help trump followers dig through the trove of stolen messages. trump jr. did not respond. 15 minutes after it was sent, donald trump himself tweeted very little pickup by the dishonest media of incredible information provided by wikileaks. so dishonest. rigged system. what do you make of that? >> so two different things. there is first october 12th, wikileaks sends donald trump this link. donald trump jr. this link.
and two delays later on october 24th, 2016, he tweets it out. but then they good on the mention, hey, by the way, we have released part four of the pod sta e-mails which were gotten by russian hackers illegally and passed on to wikileaks. then 15 minutes later, donald trump, the republican nominee at this point, tweets out, hey, by the way, here are the podesta e-mails. so that's very troubling. the other part of all of this is wikileaks' behavior. wikileaks has continued to insist it's just a radical transparency organization, that it has no dog in this fight, that it's just about transparency. and if you lack at these messages, i mean, not only are they looking out for number one, they asked -- my favorite part of the exchange is when they asked donald trump after he is elected to put pressure on australia to name julian assange the australian ambassador to d.c. >> they actually say this in a dm. hey, great you dad won. you know what would be cool? put a little pressure. and they in a pseudo trumpian voice, julian assange, tough guy.
that's what you should use the float the idea of julian assange as ambassador to the trust australia. >> right. but then the most troubling thing of this exchange by far is when on election night at 6:35 p.m. on election night, when all the prognosis had hillary clinton winning by a landslide, wikileaks is reaching out to the oldest son of the republican nominee who at that point seems to be losing, do not concede this election. challenge it. which aligns with what we saw russian intelligence, like the game plan that russian intelligence was putting out. we saw that in the dn ireport that came out last january. so they're pushing this extremely harmable, dangerous tactic. we should say donald trump jr. did not respond to that. but to tell the republican nominee to not accept the election results is -- i mean, that's jaw-dropping. >> i agree. that is the most jaw-dropping
moment in the exchange, and for the two reasons you note. one is the huge part of the russia propaganda efforts as we know of was talking about the election is rigged, as illegitimate and donald trump played into that when he said he wouldn't necessarily pledge to accept the results of the election. number two, wikileaks, what the heck does a radical transparency organization care about what one way or the other? it's extremely incriminating for wikileaks. >> that's rite. it looks horrible. at this point it looks the jig is up for wikileaks. i don't know what leg they have to stand on after these revelations. >> i should say wikileaks calls itself an independent publishing house. it has been accused by the u.s. intelligence agencies and the community as essentially being a front for russian intelligence in the sort of polls between those two interpretations, this bit of data doesn't help the wikileaks case.
>> so i remember actually as i'm sit hearing talking to you, i remembered sitting with you on the floor of the democratic national convention in philly right after wikileaks released the first batch of dnc e-mails, which threw the dnc into turmoil. for a while it was unclear if hillary clinton would actually nominated. and i remember sitting with you and telling you everybody who has followed russia knows that wikileaks and the kremlin are like this. and we had this long back and forth well, do we know? >> i remember that. i remember that back and forth. >> now we know. >> julia ioffe, thanks for joining me. ahead, much more on donald trump jr.'s secret correspondence with wikileaks during the campaign. what this means legally for the president's son. and after another incidence of conveniently forgotten offer of help during the campaign, what else is out there? that ahead.
don jr. isn't the only one whose campaign communications are raising eyebrows tonight stephen miller has largely managed to keep his name out of talk of possible russian interference and collusion until now. identified miller as the senior adviser mentioned in the george papadopoulos documents. remember, papadopoulos is the trump campaign adviser who pleaded guilty to lying to federal agents about his contacts with russians during the election. "new york times" now reports that, quote, mr. papadopoulos was in regular contact that spring with top campaign officials including steve stephen miller, now a senior adviser to president trump. court documents identified two e-mails between papadopoulos and the senior policy adviser we now know to be miller. in late april, papadopoulos e-mailed military say the russian government has an open invitation by putin for mr. trump to meet with him when he is ready.
the next day papadopoulos met with a london professor who said the russians had, quote, dirt on hillary clinton, including saying specifically the russians had e-mails of clinton. they have thousands of e-mails. keep in mind this is more than a month before the dnc and podesta hacks are public. day after that meeting, papadopoulos again e-mailed miller, writing have some interesting messages coming in from moscow about a trip when the time is right. what these newly uncovered communications by stephen miller and don jr. tells about the core of the trump russia investigation. what did they know, when did they know it? we'll discuss that next.
as i was getting off the plane, they were just announcing new wikileaks. and i wanted to stay there, but i didn't want to keep you waiting. i didn't want to keep you waiting. let me run back into the plane and find out. boy, i love reading those wikileaks. this wikileaks stuff is unbelievable. it tells you the inner heart. you got to read it. >> it just came out. wikileaks. >> it's been amazing what's coming out on wikileaks. >> did you see another one? another one came in today. this wikileaks is like a treasure trove. >> this just came out. this just came out. wikileaks. i love wikileaks. >> the admiration was apparently mutual. just two davis donald trump first started publicly declaring that he loved wikileaks, the group twitter account said hey, donald, great to see you and your dad talking on our
publications. the former security division of the national intelligence. carolyn, let me start with you. what are the legal ramifications of the direct messages? >> well, i think the legal ramifications are the same that are true of anybody that is in the trump administration or was part of the campaign, which is the risk they face if they lie to investigators. because donald trump jr. obviously is having to provide documents, is going to be interviewed by all the different investigations that are taking place. and so if he is not truthful in those interviews, we've seen already that the special counsel's office is willing to prosecute somebody for making false statements, as they have with papadopoulos. so i think as far as legal jeopardy, that's still probably a big one for him in particular and for others in the inner circle.
but i think politically and what these -- what this story by julia shows with respect to the timeline of communications between the trump campaign and russian surrogates. it's just one more avenue to fill in that timeline. >> yep. >> and show that there wasn't just a meeting in trump tower in june 2016. there wasn't just communications between carter page. there wasn't just communications or e-mails that papadopoulos was having. there also were direct messages between trump jr. and wikileaks, who director of the cia pompeo said last spring he acknowledged their connection as a surrogate or having a relationship with russian intelligence. >> renato, the other thing that strikes me here is this pattern where someone approaches the campaign and says want to do something sketchy?
possibly on behalf of a russian agent or cutout, whether that's a london professor going after george papadopoulos, whether it's the intermediary e-mailing don jr., whether it's assange's twitter account saying hey, want to spread this around or hack this website? here is the password? and no one ever puts up a stop sign. >> yeah, that's right. it's certainly very telling. obviously those messages are pretty shocking. all of us just heard a minute ago what the atlantic reporter described. and some of them could potentially create additional legal jeopardy. i do think when you receive, for example, a password to someone's website, if you enter that website without their authorization, that's potentially a crime. >> it's true. >> and there is other things as well there. for instance, you know, for example, obviously those hacked e-mails, i think the real question is obviously hacking is a crime. the question is did they take part in, was there some agreement with somebody in the campaign about the distribution? or did they just happen? is it essentially like somebody robs a bank and tells you the money from the bank robbery is hiding behind the bushes for you to take.
so we'll have to see, you know. sorry. >> i just want to say there is a direct message in there from don jr. on october 3rd, four days before the podesta e-mail starts saying basically, what is this about a leak i'm hearing coming wednesday? so there is something, whether that's a reference to roger stone that tipped them off, or there is something in the air. we don't know deeper than that if he has special information. but that's a pretty good place for investigators to look. >> right there. seems to be, frankly, a lot of familiarity there. notice that they don't start the conversation by saying hi, you know, whatever, great to meet you. they get down to business. and then at the very end, there is a suggestion about lawyer-to-lawyer communication. i'll tell you, as a lawyer myself, what that essentially means is they did not -- if you want to have lawyer-to-lawyer communication, this means the words are not coming out of your mouth. >> right. >> they can't be used against you. it's essentially a way of saying
things that might be problematic. >> yeah, that's from the wikileaks side. carrie, presumably, just to strike out this possibility, i mean, the actual direct messages would be able to be able to be acquired by mueller's team. so they're not just relying on screen shots provided by don jr. >> well, that i have a variety of tools of investigative tools available to them. investigators can either serve warrants or court orders on third parties that have information in order to provide the contents of messages. in this case, according to the article, the trump provided the actual messages to congressional investigators. >> right. >> but that demonstrates. these messages are one channel that he was communicating with them in. and so i think that's important to focus on. because this was one channel, one subset of messages. >> yeah. the question is were there other channels that we haven't seen in the reply chain. >> that's the question. and that's what investigators,
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house counsel don f. mcgann ii. he was asked directly to identify the family members or other persons who are likely to present other potential conflicts of interest. he made no mention of his wife working at the white house, nor that she is chief of staff to don mcgahn who has led the white house effort to rapidly fill courthouse vacancies with young staunchly conservative judges. the white house says she was not involved in the selection of her husband as nominee. but there is more. she has emerged in recent weeks as a witness into the special counsel's investigation into whether mr. trump obstructed justice. she was interviewed by investigators recently. so there is a 36-year-old judicial nominee who has never tried a case, who did not disclose his wife is a senior white house lawyer, and whose said wife is potentially implicated in mueller's obstruction of justice investigation. and senate republicans may confirm him to a lifetime position as a federal judge as early as this week.
today jurors in the federal corruption trial of senator bob menendez, democrat of new jersey, failed to reach a verdict on all 12 counts against him. the judge advised jurors to keep deliberating. stands accused of various corruption charges, including using his office to provide favors to his office to provide favors to a wealthy eye doctor. if the jury ends in a mistrial, democrats will lead a sigh of relief because menendez would keep his seat. while the senate began its form mackup of the bill today, the president decided to lob a grenade in the proceedings. we'll talk about that with senator sherrod brown next. just as the senate finance committee was due to begin debating the republicans' $1.5 trillion tax cut, the president in the philippines tweeted, i am proud of the republican house
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repeal the individual mandate, how do you think that will sell over on capitol hill? >> well, they can't give up. i look around that committee and i see all these senators, well-dressed, good pay, good titles. all of us have insurance paid for by taxpayers. and they're trying now a new way to take insurance from 900,000 ohioans. i stand with governor kasich, a republican. i'm a democrat. i stand with him to say, no, stop it on trying to go after people's insurance. because if they repeal the individual mandate, they'll take away the subsidies and people will lose their insurance because they won't be able to afford it. >> yeah, it seems to me they tried to appeal the aca, they failed. they've got a very complicated tax deal. is there any appetite on capitol hill among republicans to shove this in as well? or won't that destroy it? >> well, the appetite is all a function of the calls that billionaires are making, adelson and mercer and the koch brothers.
so much of their agenda is all about that. that's why the tax cuts are structured the way they are. that's why their environmental policy is the way it is. that's why their health policy is the way it is. that's why, it's billionaires giving those three families what they want. you can see it all over capitol hill. we've never seen our government so -- and interests always have too much influence here. i'm dealing with a bank issue where banks have way too much influence around here. we know that. but never have we seen basically three families of billionaires during what they're doing. >> want other thing interests about the president's tweet, and it dovetails with the distributional nature of the cuts, he says they're not cutting it for the rich and up. he's saying cut the 39% rate down to 35, explicitly advocating for even further cuts to the wealthiest americans and he says maybe the rest can go to the middle class.
>> not to try to one up that, or you, chris, but i was in the meeting when the president from i don't know how many thousand miles away, at 4:00 in the afternoon, we were at the library of congress with the president's top economic adviser. the president called in and said, my accountant says there's nothing in here for me and we have to put something in for rich people so we have to repeal the estate tax. i don't know if the president understands, i know mcconnell and ryan understand that they want to load up as much in this bill as they can for the billionaires and biggest contributors and people funding their campaigns. that's clearly what they're doing. whether the president knows it or not, is a bit puzzling. these guys talk about a middle class tax cut. if they want to give a middle class tax cut, give a middle class tax cut. don't sort of give it to corporations and then say it will trickle down in higher
wages. let's get rid of the middleman. don't give it to corporations and have a trickle down. give the cuts to the middle class directly. >> all the reporting says that middle class taxpayers will see a hike. "the new york times" says by about a thousand dollars on average, the share going up to 2026, one-third average, it would rise to $1,600. what does that do for you as you talk to your constituents? >> well, there's so much wrong with this. so many families in mansfield and toledo, ohio will see their taxes go up. they'll hear this congress say, over and over, middle class, middle class, middle class tax cut. but again, if they really want to do a middle class tax cut, cut out the middleman. do the tax cut for middle class. my working family tax relief act will put money in the pockets of people making 25, 50, $75,000. that's how you grow the economy,
not giving tax cuts and hope it trickles down. >> while i have you here, this pertains whether this thing will pass. two senators who you might serve with, one is roy moore, do you think he should drop out? >> yeah, of course he should. yeah. he had all kind of ethical issues before, anyway. john kasich, the republican governor of ohio -- i hate to keep quoting kasich but he agreed. mitch mcconnell said he should drop out. clearly he should drop out. >> the other is your colleague, senator menendez in new jersey, being tried on corruption charges, 12 counts, that jury is deadlocked. if convicted, do you think he should resign? >> i think that he will appeal if he's convicted. i don't really want to do what-ifs about him because i
don't know what this jury is going to do. i'll be very willing to answer it after he's either exonerated or convicted, and we can have that discussion. >> all right, senator sherrod brown of ohio, thanks for joining us. >> always, thanks. that's "all in" for this evening. good evening once again from our nbc headquarters in new york. day 298 of the trump good evening once again from our nbc headquarters in new york. day 298 of the tru