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bobby kennedy had found his purpose, his mission in life. he wanted to go on, wanted dearly to go on. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> i'm sorry being harassed by media. >> roy moore remains defiant and the president remains silent. >> do you believe the accusers of roy moore, mr. president? should he resign? >> tonight, why donald trump is mum as the senate candidate accused of child molestation gets forensic. >> release the yearbook so we can determine, is it genuine or a fraud. >> plus, a republican defection on taxes as a roomful of ceos debunks the entire white house argument. >> why aren't other hands up? >> then, why some democrats disagree with today's call for
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impeachment in congress. 17,000 jobs. thank you. they don't have water. that's okay. what? >> when "all in" starts right now. >> it's rubio! good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. does the president of the united states believe that roy moore, his party's candidate for u.s. senate in alabama sexually assaulted teenage girls as a district attorney in his 30s? does the united states president believe six women who say moore pursued them during a teenager, one alleging that he violently sexually assaulting her when she was 16 and does he believe roy moore should withdraw from the race? those are the questions awaiting the president on his return from asia. questions that he said he would address when he returned home. the president arrived in washington back home last night
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and the only news the president made was getting marco rubio to trend on twitter over an incident with a water bottle. and after delivering a book report-style recap of his asia trip, the president proceeded straight for the exits ignoring shouted questions about his stance on roy moore. >> thank you very much. thank you all. >> should roy moore resign, mr. president? do you believe his accusers? should he resign? >> only a couple hours later, published two more on the record allegations against moore. one from a woman named tina johnson who says he groped her in a 1991 meeting in it his law office and kelly harrison thorp who says moore asked her out of the restaurant where she worked. i just kind of said, do you know how old i am and he said, yeah, i go out with girls your age all the time. moore has denied the previous allegations against him describing them as politically
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motivated and absolutely false. nbc news has reached out to him for public on the latest allegations. at a press conference today, an attorney for moore suggested that the woman forged his handwriting in her yearbook. trump is on the outside of a growing consensus of republicans that moore should not serve in the u.s. senate. the question is how they make that happen. whether it's by forcing moore to step aside somehow which does not appear likely, by mounting a write-in campaign for a competitor or by expelling moore from the senate should he win on december 12th. today, the campaign arm of the senate gop which withdrew its subpoe support for more shows that he trails 12 points behind his opponent. the nrc has every interest in
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the world of showing moore losing. ivanka is telling the associated press today, "there's a special place in hell for people who prey on children. i've yet to see a valid explanation and i have no reason to doubt the accounts." some of the president's allies believe the women making these allegations. >> number one, the allegations are credible. >> i am -- have no reason to doubt these young women. >> i believe the women, yes. >> there's just one problem with that stance. if you believe the women, what do you do about the dozen plus women who have accused the president himself of sexual misconduct, which he denies? the president has publicliville fied and threatened to sue every last one of them and calling them liars. jennifer rubin and politics reporter for "the daily beast." jennifer, were you surprised that we didn't get anything from the president or the white house on this issue? >> not at all.
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he's caught between a rock and a hard place and he wants not to have to speak to this at all. yes, it will revisit his own problems and, secondly, if he's ignored by the voters of alabama, he looks speckless and looks like he doesn't have his finger on the pulse of the base. so he wants us to go away in the worst way possible. >> that's a really good point. he already got crosswise with the base at the urging of mitch mcconnell and others, even with his endorsement, strange was defeated and got rid of his tweets endorsing strange. now you've got roy moore. when he won, this is a trump tweet after the primary. "spoke to roy moore in alabama last night for the first time. sounds like a really great guy who ran a fantastic race." you've been reporting on the other side of this which is steve bannon who has been a prominent roy moore backer. where is the breitbart and bannon world? >> they are between a rock and hard place. as my colleague and i reported
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yesterday at "the daily beast," even though steve bannon has publicly and one of moore's most prominent and most famous, strongest supporters, even though publicly he's been very forcefully lockstep behind roy moore in the face of all of these sexual assault and misconduct allegations, in private, over the past few days, he's been far more skittish, shall we say. he has asked some of his closest advisers and friends how they think he should proceed with the roy moore situation and what they think about it. he has told at least one close associate that if he determines that roy moore has been lying to him, he will, and i quote, put him in a grave myself. at least for the time being, it appears that bannon and many of his closest co-horts have determined that they are sticking by mr. moore for now. >> his private, second thoughts,
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there's been lots of public signals through the classic steve bannon approach of anonymous quotes and that they are publicly sticking with it. >> correct. and even as mr. bannon and his allies try to spin this as much as they can in public that, oh, not for a second who we ever consider ditching roy moore, it's important to realize that in private, bannon has been incredibly uncomfortable about the sexual assault allegations against roy moore. he has not been letting on about that at all publicly so far. but look, whatever else can be said about mr. bannon, no one wakes up in the morning thinking, okay, who is the most far right child molester that i can back in the state of alabama. >> and yet somehow the two-shirted strategic genius has managed to help the party nominate a man who now stands accused by multiple women of
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sexual predation on minors, attempted rape on a 16-year-old who accounted that and said he signed a yearbook unless there's handwriting forgery which i suppose is a possibility but seems unlikely. whatever his private reservations, jennifer, the original sin here, roy moore should have never been within a thousand miles of the united states senate seat before these allegations came out. >> he was completely unfit for office before we knew all of this. he wants to criminalize homosexuality, doesn't think muslims should serve in the u.s. congress, he's been removed from the bench twice. the notion that this person was remotely in the realm of possibility is shocking. i do want to say something, though, about ivanka trump. i wonder if she's concerned about the underaged beauty pageant gals whom trump allegedly ran into when they were in various stages of
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undressed. why does she not address them? for her to speak out now after all of these allegations against her father, maybe she should just go away and be quiet. it's not sincere. i don't think she's convincing anybody of anything. >> also, there seems with reporting today on, one of the woman alleges that roy moore groped her at her office to sign custody papers, to sign over custody of her child, he asked her whether her daughters were as pretty as she was. again, according to her account. they have to be thinking both in the white house and in the breitbart embassy that other shoes are going to drop and it's a long way until december 12th. >> oh, absolutely. but what a lot of people both inside the white house and in bannon world and other allies of roy moore are considering right now is that even with the mounting sexual misconduct in assault allegations against him,
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he could still very well hold on and win in alabama. he still has a strong base of conservative support there and it sounds incredibly cynical to say but a lot of people in the roy moore camp are banking on him winning, becoming a u.s. senator. the republicans not having the guts to expel him. >> yep. >> and the gop starting to throw these allegations down the memory hole as they did with the current president of the united states. >> and that is, i think, a very good and plausible prediction of the future should he win. i think the idea that they're going to expel the united states senate is not particularly plausible at this moment. jennifer and -- great to have you both. >> thank you. i'm joined by dan rather, author of the book "what unites us." having covered american politics as much as you have, is there an expectation in a situation like this that the president of the united states says something publicly about the fate of the
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nominee of the party he shares? >> well, certainly in any normal time, anyplace previous to this in history, i think a president would have said something one way or the other. but as several who appear on this program already pointed out that president trump is taking the view that he better not say anything for several reasons, not the least of which is if he says something, it could raise new questions about his own reputation in this general area but what's happened here is this previously has happened in a number of times when you have a situation in which the party has somebody they don't want to get elected. the old saying goes, when you're in a hole, stop digging. that's pretty much what president trump is attempting to do by not saying anything. judge moore has said he's not going to have anything else to say. but this is a moment of
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reckoning, chris. it's a moment of reckoning not just for the republican party, not just for alabama but for the country as a whole. that is, who are we, what do we stand for, what are we prepared to allow. >> uh-huh. >> that's the question. and you have a situation in which a 32-year-old man was allegedly, supposedly involved with a 14-year-old girl. i don't think anywhere in america that that's going to be acceptable. i do agree that judge moore could still win this race and if he wins it, i would be very surprised that the senate actually expels him. >> i agree about that. i've been talking to alabama people a lot and i don't think necessarily the nrc poll is correct. i want to ask you about the closest analog i can come up with. david duke's candidacy back in 1991 in which case the president of the united states at that
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moment, george h.w. bush, republican, did weigh in very forcefully. here's what he had to say. take a listen. >> when someone has a long record, an ugly record of racism and of bigotry, that record simply cannot be erased by the glib rhetoric of a campaign. so i believe that david duke is an insincere charlton. i believe he's attempting to hoodwink the voters of louisiana and i believe that he should be rejected for what he is and what he stands for. >> can you imagine the current president delivering something like that about roy moore between now and december 12th? >> no. and i really compliment you, chris, for pulling out that sound bite. there's the difference between what's expected of a president of the united states and what we're now getting in terms of delivery from the current president of the united states. can you imagine how much good it
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would do for president trump, how much good it would do the country if he today when he had that opportunity said something along those lines about the judge moore case and just said, look, the kind of behavior that increasingly it appears that judge moore took part in is unacceptable, we americans are better than this and took a queue from president h.w. bush. it would help president trump and it would also, i think it would be a great sigh of relief for people who say, well at least for once the president is trying to do something classy, something even noble. but it was not to be. >> and part of the problem for him, it strikes me as well, george h.w. bush said that and duke was defeated, which was a sort of sigh of relief for everyone. i think the catastrophic idea in the white house, presumably, is the president comes out against him, as he did in the primary,
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and once again roy moore wins and how do you think that would affect the perception of the president's political power? >> i still think it would help the president overall if he came out forcefully against it. i don't think it would reduce his power, which is already declining some. but it's a fair point. it could. but look, just do the right thing. that's what people want the president to do. just do the right thing. and hope that the voters of alabama do the right thing. >> and i think there would be substantial influence with the voters. dan rather's new book, "what unites us" it's available now. thank you for being here. >> thank you, chris. house democrats launched the most coordinated effort to launch impeachment efforts against president trump. i'll ask congressman gutierrez why now, in two minutes. small businesses show their love to you. with some friendly advice, a genuine smile and a warm welcome
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he said, quote, during the second debate, if i win, i'm going to instruct my attorney
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general, that would be you, because he chose you, to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation, referring to hillary clinton, because there's never been so many lies, so much deception, end quote. it's a promise that your boss, he hired for you to fulfill. >> i'll comply with the law with regard to special prosecutor appointments. >> there's a case to be made, as i said on this program, the president pressuring publicly his attorney general to investigate and prosecute a political rival is in and of itself an abuse of power and arguably an impeachable abuse of power. and it's not the only one. there's the president's possible obstruction of justice in the russia investigation and the monuments clause by never properly separating himself from his business interests. a group of house democrats introduced five articles of
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impeachment against the president. >> we believe that president trump has violated the constitution and we've introduced five articles of impeachment. >> i see it as an act of courage. i see it as an act of patriotism. >> he has broken the law. that's why these articles of impeachments are about. >> i see a crime and i have a responsibility to dial 911 immediately. i don't call and try to reach consensus with all my neighbors. >> congressman luis gutierrez, one of the house members filing those articles of impeachment against president trump joins me now. congressman, there's a few arguments i think against this. and i want to go through them with you. the first is a purely pragmatic political one, which is people that are in charge of helping democrats win seats, taking back the house in 2018, there are people who think it's a mistake politically to make the next election a referendum of impeachment because it will
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inspire the supporters of the president and the base to come out. what do you say to that? >> first of all, i think we're elected based on principles and ideals that we represent to the people of our congressional district and i'm fulfilling that promise that i made to the people of the congressional district. chris, yeah, i've been here 25 years. that's not something that i shout about but it does give me a little bit of historical context. look, in 1996, the leadership said, let's pass and approve the defense of marriage act, basically said marriage is only between a man and a woman. i and 65 others said no. the president signed that bill. why? they were thinking about the next election maybe? you know, why don't we stand up to the nra, thinking about the next election maybe? you remember why we wouldn't stand up for immigrants, even a president of the united states that ran on the promise as
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barack obama did that in my first year of the presidency i would sign a comprehensive immigration bill. i don't remember a lot of democrats standing around me as i and leaders were arrested time and time again in front of the white house yet when daca was signed and celebrated, there were many people. so, yeah, it's a small group today but we're doing something big and important and carrying out our responsibilities. >> let's talk about the principle here. the other argument is this is kind of an institutional race that the country is seeing and that the correct remedy is to vote and check the people in congress to vote him out of office and you don't have the case yet. you're jumping the gun. what do you say to those people? >> well, here's what i say. i know a president of the united states who had the attorney general in his office, that had
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his son-in-law in the office and vice president in the office and told them to leave and then he told the head of the fbi, the chief cop of the nation, i want you to stop investigating a crime. look, that's obstruction of justice. i see a president of the united states that i believe is enriching himself personally. remember when he said, don't build any hotels around the world while i'm president of the united states and then had trump build hotels around the world. look, he enriches himself here. that's against the emoluments clause not only nationally but to line their pockets on the public service and that's what i believe donald trump -- he'd say to you, chris hayes, hey, you know what, i don't think you have the right to really say everything you do because he believes members of the press -- that we should pass laws to lock
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you up. this is the president of the united states. i know that there are people that have called me today, that have said thank god there's a small group of people speaking to the truth about the president of the united states of america. >> let me ask you this. an anonymous vote, a secret ballot of your democratic colleagues in which there were no political ramifications, they were simply voting on whether they thought the president merited impeachment. what is your guess on how many "yes" votes there would be? >> i think the majority of them would, chris. look, i understand that when you're out of power, you're seeking ways to get into power and that's their job, right? that isn't my function. i'm a member of the judiciary committee and so is my colleague mr. cohen and we have a responsibility as members of that judiciary committee to do historically what the judiciary committee has done and that is to process and to follow the law.
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look, i kind of see the judiciary committee as kind of the grand jury. so we're going to call the witnesses forward. we're going to call the evidence forward and if the evidence and the witnesses are there and the proof is there, we'll send it over to the senate for a trial. but i think we have a responsibility to call. think about it, if you see a crime, what have we been taught? if you see something, say something. we said something today. >> congressman luis gutierrez, thank you. >> thank you. coming up, the truly amazing moment when the trump administration comes face-to-face with why their tax plan will not work and we'll play that for you after this quick break. ♪
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all right. so the basic fact to understand about the republican tax bills now speeding through congress is that their primary goal is to give a massive, once in a generation tax cut to corporations. about two-thirds of the benefits in both the house and senate bill go to corporations and businesses. the remaining one-third of that little blue slice of the pie going to individuals. keep in mind, a big chunk of the individual tax cuts, that blue slice, remaining one-third of the pie, those go to the super rich as well who would not have to worry so much about the pesky estate tax. given all that, it's really no surprise that ceos are pretty stoked. >> what are you hearing from them right now? >> the most excited group out there are big ceos about the tax plan. they all tell me how excited they are to get a tax plan that makes the united states competitive, makes it so they can grow their business domestically and pay wages here. >> okay. see what he did there? here's the thing, the ceos are excited. they run businesses whose taxes
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are going to be cut but why should you nonceo viewer care? because they and their companies would get a huge windfall and not that they get to keep it but you ultimately will reap the benefits from that. >> we create wage inflation, workers get paid more, workers spend more and we see the whole trickle down through the economy and that's good for the economy. >> you got that right. you cut taxes for the corporations, the ceos are psyched and trickle down economics, that if you give ceos and corporations more money, they'll bill factories, create jobs, give you a raise. history has not been kind to such claims that have been made over and over and it just so happens we have a way to find out because this week "the wall street journal" held its ceo counsel. they gathered the most ambitious and influential business leaders
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shaping the future. among the speakers was gary cohn who got to watch as a roomful of ceos were asked about his trickle down claims. >> other questions for gary cohn? can i ask you all a quick question? if the tax reform bill goes through, do you plan to increase investment -- your company's investment, capital investment, just a show of hands? the tax reform go through? >> okay. >> why aren't the other hands up? buddy, man, that's gary cohn himself wondering out loud awkwardly, cringe inducingly, why aren't the other hands up? remember, this is a roomful of krchl eos and business leaders who are supposed to execute the gop trickle down master plan. count the hands that go up. >> do you plan to increase
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investment -- your company's capital investment, just a show of hands, the tax reform goes through? >> why aren't the other hands up? >> why aren't the other hands up? >> five. five hands went up. five out of a roomful of ceos and business leaders. we thought there may have been a sixth hand a. woman who looked like she was going to raise her hand and did a psych head scratch move at the end. now, even though gary cohn had a front row seat for the repudiation of the gop's flimsy rationale for its massive corporate tax cut, republicans are rushing to a vote and with alabama seat in jeopardy, they had no time to lose. the state of the tax cut and the gop right after this. how do you chase what you love with moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis? do what i did. ask your doctor about humira. it's proven to help relieve pain and protect joints from further irreversible damage in many adults.
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i live right here in auburn, i absolutely love this community. once i moved here i didn't want to live anywhere else. i love that people in this community are willing to come together to make a difference for other people's lives. together, we're building a better california. if the tax reform bill goes through, do you plan to increase investment -- your company's investment, capital investment, just a show of hands if the tax reform goes through? >> why aren't the other hands up? >> good question. the house is set to vote tomorrow on the gop's big tax cut bill and while republican leaders are expressing confidence, it's not a sure thing. passage depends on how many republicans from high tax states like california, new york and new jersey would pass a bill that would mean a tax hike for many constituents. this could soon fall to one vote
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if roy moore losing the special election in alabama one month from now. susan collins and jeff flake have expressed serious reservations about the bill and today senator ron johnson became the first solid "no" vote telling "the wall street journal," "the plan unfairly benefits corporations more than other types of businesses". >> i was asked, can you support the current senate version. i wouldn't vote for it. it's just that simple. doesn't mean i don't want to, you know, vote for a real solution. >> joining me is john harwood, editor at large with cnbc. betsy, it's amazing to me how poorly this thing is polling. it's supposed to be a big tax cut. usually people like that. this is the new quinnipiac polling. yes, 25%, no, 52 and not sure, 23. yet they are forging ahead anyway. what is an mating the folks there in the house and senate?
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>> i can tell you what is anmating them. the number one concern, not just the republican leadership in the house but the republican lobbyists on k street is that they are going to lose the house in 2018. that's an assumption that most of these people are operating under. they assume this is their last chance not just to do tax reform but any sort of major legislative overhaul. if they don't get tax reform done, it's not going to happen next year in an election year. then they have to go fwook their donors and say thanks for spending tons to help us get elected. sorry we couldn't do literally anything. that's pressure on k street, pressure on paul ryan's office, pressure on mitch mcconnell and that's why you see these guys scrambling to push through a bill because this is their last-ditch effort to keep the promises that they made that got them to take control of congress and the white house in the first place. >> right. >> it's a lot on the line for
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them. >> john, betsy make as great point because i was looking at some of the whip counts today in the house. there's a lot of members of congress, republicans, who represent affluent districts and there's 10 or 11 who are hard-nosed but a lot of yeses. as you know, john, and you've covered this, the constituents of those republicans might see a tax hike, remarkably, from a tax cut bill. you've got to think it's political suicide unless they've already priced in that they are going to lose anyway. >> well, betsy's right. they convince themselves that they are going to lose the house if they don't do this. however, they may lose the house if they do do it. this is not popular. as you said, 2-1 unpopular. here's the crazy thing. with the unusual coalition that they have, with the business guys, wall street guys, donors pressing them to do this because they're the ones who benefit the most, the white working class voters who make up the core of trump support who get the least out of this bill are the one who is are most supportive in the
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polls. that's because of their personal loyalty to donald trump. but they've got big problems, as you indicated, in the senate in particular, where the changes that are being pushed make the bill more expensive and therefore make it harder for some of the deficit hawks to get behind it and by injecting the individual mandate repeal into it, you add this layer of health care policy, which several republican members, they've already crossed the psychological bridge of saying i am not going along with our effort to repeal and replace without an alternative. that is another big brick in the backpack that they are trying to carry uphill. >> that's a great point, betsy. on top of this, they threw on the individual mandate repeal in the senate version partly because they're so desperate for revenue. they are trying so hard. do you agree with john that this
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make it is a harder climb? >> in the senate it's additional pressure, especially on moderate republicans like susan collins. one piece of this that's really important to understand is that mcconnell is running out of leverage and ron johnson is really the perfect encapsulation of this. ron johnson along with other senators, particularly jeff flake, has surprisingly announced that he's retiring. and corker. part of the reason that's important is that it means that there's a finite amount of political pressure that mcconnell and k street lobbyists can put on these guys. so senator johnson feels liberated. he doesn't owe mcconnell anything. he doesn't need anything from mcconnell. he still certainly seems to hold a grudge from when mcconnell pulled all of his money out of wisconsin and left him for dead and that just means on the whole getting tax reform done is extremely difficult. >> yeah. >> and that's why we're going to see some weird things popping up in this bill, as folks try to make bills and hustle this
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through. >> there was a uniform agreement from the interest groups and also citizens, sleep-ins, sit-ins and what is it like on capitol hill now? >> well, it was easier to rally opposition against repealing the affordable care act because you had the specter of 20 million people who had health insurance who were not going to have it after they passed that bill. tax cuts are inherently easy to do. you're giving people money. and the obstacles they run into are sort of abstract concerns about the debt and deficit. however, there are enough members right now who, as betsy indicated about ron johnson, mitch mcconnell has had leverage eafr. he didn't have leverage over john mccain or bob corker or jeff flake. republicans tried to solve this in the senate bill by making individual tax cuts expire and go poof at the end of eight years but the argument they're
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making is, they won't really go poof. so if that's the case and you actually care about the deficit, you don't care about paper shuffling that makes the bill appear less expensive. you care that it is extremely expensive. >> the question is, do they really care, which we'll find out soon enough. betsy woodruff and john harwood, thanks. are republicans about to rubber stamp him into a job? >> and thing 1 and thing 2 is next. ♪ (woman) one year ago today mom started searching for her words.
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awkwardly moment rubio trying to keep eye contact with the camera that prompted this with donald trump on the campaign trail. >> when they put marco on to repute president obama's speech, do you remember that catastrophe? and he's like, and we will, i need water, help me, i need water. help. and this is our live television. it's rubio. unbelievable. >> trump, of course, mocked rubio on twitter saying, "next time marco rubio should drink his water from a grass instead of a bottle." there's an old witch who cursed
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forward. both of whom say they were approached by moore when they worked at an alabama mall. one girl was still in high school and says that roy moore called her at her school to ask. one sill in high school and said roy moore called her at her school to ask for a date. eventually agreed. ended with moore driving her car into dark parking lot behind sear's and giving her unasked for kiss that made her scared. beth ryan art, can you tell me about the two women? >> woman that got called in her high school, geena richardson, and she worked at sear's, and roy moore asked her out. i really can't, dad is preacher, wouldn't approve. and so she didn't give him phone
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number but let on she went to gadsden high school, and few days later in trig class and over the intercom is announce for call. goes to office thinking it's her dad and it's roy moore asking her on a date. is he she's i can't talk, i'm in trig class right now. he came by the mall a few days later when she was working ago and asked her out. she said okay, i'll meet you after work. he invited her to the movies. they went to movies and ended as you described. >> just want to be clear i'm understanding this, what she's saying is that he -- the way you would page someone at airport, called a high school, main line because he didn't get her number and said send me this young woman and went out of class and picked up phone to find guy who tried to ask her out at mall on
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the other line? >> yes. she describes being very uncomfortable, everybody in the office she felt was looking at her. hadn't really dated. as i said, daughter of a preacher. made her nervous but at the same time, you know, she found it hard to say no to him. i think she was a little bit flattered at the same time. >> and who is the other woman? >> the other woman we talked to also worked at the mall in another department store and roy moore would come in frequently and ask her out. she turned him down but he kept asking. finally complained to her manager at the time, and then afterwards, kind of hide when she would see him coming. i mean, these two examples reflect what we have learned is -- from talking to at least a
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dozen people who worked at mall in late '70s or early '80s, roy moore was a frequent visitor, asking out girls in their teens, in some cases early 20s. >> can you give me -- you guys have done amazing reporting, "washington post," on this story. concerted pushback by roy and his wife kayla moore, posting on facebook a fake roebocall. what is the reception from folks down there as you're trying to report this out? >> like with every story, people are anxious to talk and people who are not anxious to talk to you. we're trying to stay focused on reporting the story, not so much on the reaction and, you know, backlash so to speak.
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>> one thing that's striking is how memorable all of this was to the individuals that you've interviewed. >> well, you know, they've seen roy moore over the years, rise in prominence. and all we've spoken to, they've thought about this fact this guy asked me out when i was in high school. in some cases, kind of laughed about it. in the case of the woman who was 14 when roy moore took her back to her house, she was haunted by this. and you know, wasn't until he ran for the senate and, you know, we reached out to these women and through a series of interviews they finally decided go on the record. or in the most recent story, they were inspired by the women who went public earlier to speak. so it's sort of one thing has led to another.
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>> beth ryan hrd with the "washington post," great reporting. thanks. >> thank you. washington, d.c. and brent tally, manifestly unqualified for a federal judge. only practiced law three years, never tried a case but nominated for lifetime federal judge and approved by every republican on the judiciary committee. one of four of the nominees voted not qualified by american bar association. he's one of two deemed unanimously not qualified. but there's more. failed to disclose his wife is chief of staff to white house counsel and has emerged as witness into special counsel's investigation as to whether the
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white house obstructed justice. tally rather astutely noted his wife's importance in his appearance that day. >> don't have opening statement but take a moment to introduce a few people here today. start with my wife, ann a donaldson tally, not only love of my life but best lawyer in the family. if not for the sacrifices she made professionally and personally, no way i could be here. >> senator blumenthal sitting on the committee that passed tally this week, were you surprised there was not one dissenting vote from republicans for the nominee? >> i am surprised. astonished and appalled no one voted against him. ruled unqualified by aba, never tried a single case and made
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pretty outrageous comments that should disqualify him from serving on the federal bench. >> is this the most unqualified candidate you've come across? >> this is a tough question. been some unqualified nominees coming before the committee. trump administration is putting ideology over merit, seeking in fundamental way to remake the federal judiciary in the image of the far right wing of the republican party. such a disservice, even ins and disrespects the judiciary and particularly on the district court, unqualified judge has a real lasting and meaningful impact. this courtroom is the place that many americans will first come to seek justice and may be the last time they have that opportunity because many simply cannot afford to appeal. >> do you think there's an
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explanation due from the white house about the relationship between his wife, the chief of staff, white house counsel, and this nominee and why he omitted that from the forms he filed before your committee? >> there is definitely an obligation on the part of the white house to produce some explanation. frankly i think this nominee ought to be called back before the committee and asked exactly that question of the moment. because he failed to disclose that his wife was a senior official in the white house. in fact the white house counsel's office that has responsible for helping to choose federal judges. i definitely think so. >> is that why he got this job? >> think it may well have had a role in it. won't know for sure until he called back by committee or white house provides explanation. >> are they going to lose a single vote on any judishcial
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nominee they put up no matter how unqualified? >> my hope is this nomination will create pushback on part of republican colleagues. having talked to them privately, some regret having voted for this nominee. >> they've told you that? >> in so many words that they would like to revisit that vote. i'm hoping they'll have the guts and gumption on the floor if this nominee reaches a vote that they will vote against him. >> am i right they're batting 1.000 right now? not a single nominee defeated? >> and nonwithdrawn, this is would be a great opportunity. >> four found unqualified by aba and they're now saying that aba
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is liberal hack group. what do you say to that? >> aba is not infallible but its opinion is worth respecting. especially with a nominee who has said three days after sandy hook tragedy that his solution, he said exactly his solution would be to stop being a society of pansies and man up. i lived through that sandy hook tragedy with those families and it is such a profound lack of judgment, maturity, basic humanity. and i hope that perhaps the white house will heed that defect in character as well as lack of merit. >> all right. senator richard blumenthal. thanks for making time. that's it. good evening rachel. thanks my friend and thanks at home for joining us. senator elizabeth warren is here tonight d


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