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was in charge of the recovery effort left puerto rico. he says, because the military role of opening roads and ports and search and rescue is coming to an end. and fema will take it from here. as "the washington post" puts it, puerto rico is now in the grip of the largest and belolon blackout in history. they have to ask themselves every day if they are doing what they can for our fellow americans in puerto rico. that's our broadcast for tonight. thank you so much for being with us. good night from nbc news headquarters in new york. tonight on "all in." >> senator franken as had mitted wrongdoing and the president hasn't. that's a clear distinction. >> from the glass house white house, the president is chucking rocks. >> i'm automa'tically attracted to them.
i start kissing them. >> tonight, how trump got away with it. >> these are all fabrications. >> and the lawsuit still going on. >> we can't let them change the most important election in our lifetime. then, new trouble for jared. >> i did not collude with russia nor do i know of anyone else in the campaign who did so. >> the new reporting that contradicts what the son-in-law of the president said in his testimony to congress. >> i have been fully transparent in providing all requested information. plus, who could have predicted a major league from the keystone pipeline? a story behind these insane photos and the reality of the tax cut bill hitting a nerve. >> i really recent anybody who says i'm just doing this for the rich. >> "all in" starts right now. >> give me a break. geoff frood evening from ch. i'm chris hayes. tonight the president stands accused of sexual misconduct by over a dozen of women over a
period of decades. that fact has loomed over his administration's cautious response to the flood of revelations about abuse by powerful men, including, of course, allegations the republican candidate for u.s. senate of alabama sexually assaulted teenager girls as an adult in his 30s. but last night after democratic senator al franken apologized to a woman who said he forced and kissed her a decade ago releasing a photo of franken in a lewd pose while she was sleeping. the president could not resist taking a shot. the al frankenstein picture is really bad. speaks a thousand words. where do his hands go in pictures two through six while she sleeps? and just think last week he was lecturing anyone who would listen about harassment and respect for women. the white house was asked about those comments today. >> reporter: it appears they are investigating al franken, any allegation made by his accuser, is it also fair to investigate this president and the allegations of sexual misconduct
made against him by more than a dozen women? >> look, i think that this was covered pretty extensively during the campaign. we addressed it then. the american people spoke very loud and clear when they elected this president. >> but how is this different? >> i think in one case, specifically, senator franken has admitted wrongdoing and the president hasn't. i think that's a very clear distinction. >> for one thing, more of the american people voted for the president's opponent. but here's the other thing, the president has admitted to wrongdoing. he has. we have all heard it because he dragged to billy bush about getting away with exactly the precise behavior franken is accused of and worse. >> you know, i'm automatically attracted to beautiful women. it's like a magnet. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. >> whatever you want. >> grab them by the [ bleep ]. >> then candidate trump dismissdismis dismissed those comments as
locker room talk, insisting he had never done the acts he so boasted about. but at least 15 women, 15 women, have accused him on the record with their names of unwanted physical contact of kissing them, of groping them and grabbing them by the you know what. many of them spoke on camera about their experiences with this president. >> it was at that time where he turned to me and embraced me and gave me a kiss on the lips. and i remember being shocked. because i would have just thought to shake somebody's hand. >> when we entered the room, he grabbed each of us tightly in a hug and kissed each one of us without asking permission. >> i feel a little grab, like you're feeling a little cheek, like a little cheek lift, almost, and i stand up really tall, i'm shock in the moment, and i look and turn around and look at him. he doesn't look at me. he doesn't want to make eye contact with me. >> he then walked up to me and
reached his right arm and grabbed my right arm. then his hand touched the right inside of my breast. >> he then grabbed my shoulder and began kissing me again very aggressively lly and placed hid on my breast. i put space between us and said, come on, man, get real. he repeated my words back to me. get real. as he began thrusting his genitals. >> the person on my right who unbeknownst to me at that time was donald trump put their hands up my skirt. he did touch my vagina through my underwear. absolutely. >> somehow or another, the armrest in the seat disappeared. and it was a real shock when all of a sudden his hands were all over me. it's when he started putting his hand up my skirt. and that was it. >> he pushed me up against the wall and had his hands all over
me and tried to get up my dress again. and i had to physically say, what are you doing in st? stop it. it was a shocking thing to have them do this. >> i'm automatically attracted to beautiful women. i just start kissing them. it's like a magnet. and when you're a star, they let you do it. >> whatever you want. >> grab them by the [ bleep ]. >> besides grabbing about putting his hands on women without their consent, the president has also boasted about exploiting his former role as a beauty pageant owner to women in their underwear. >> i'll go backstage before a show, and everyone's getting dressed and ready and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere. and i'm allowed to go in because i'm the owner of the pageant and therefore i'm inspecting it. i'm inspecting, i'm like their doctor. is everyone okay? they are standing there with no cloth clothes? is everybody okay? and so i sort of get away with things like that. >> get away with things like that. five former miss teen usa
contestants, teen usa, told buzzfeed trump did walk in on them while they were changing. competitors in that pageant are as young as 14 years old. like roy moore whose allies are pushing conspiracy theories to discredit his accusers, then candidate trump attacked the women who made those allegations against him, calling them liars and suggesting they were not attractive enough to assault. >> the stories are total fiction. they are 100% made up, they never happened. i don't know who these people are. i look on television, i think it's a disgusting thing. some are doing it for probably a little fame. it gets them free fame. it's a total set-up. i was sitting with him on an airplane. and he went after me on the plane. yeah, i'm going to go after -- believe me, she would not be my first choice, that i can tell
you. >> one of the president's accusers, former "apprentice" contestant, has sued trump for defamation because he called her a liar. and the president's lawyers have been fighting a subpoena file in suspect for all documents related to allegations of assault or misconduct. a judge in new york could decide by the end of the year whether the case against the president could move forward. joy reid is my colleague here at msnbc and my friend and the host of "a.m. joy." well, joy, were you surprised that the president decided to throw that stone from the glass house in which he sits? >> chris, i wish i could say i was surprised. i was kind of waiting for it. i had done a tweet in anticipation of it just waiting for him to weigh in on al franken. because donald trump can't help himself. he has no impulse control, obviously. and because this is a democrat, and he always relishes the opportunity to be able to accuse
the other side of what he, in fact, has done. >> absolutely. >> i didn't collude, you colluded. russia didn't want me to win, they wanted you to win. whatever it is that he's guilty of, maybe it's something in his psychology, he cannot resist the opportunity to lash out at someone from the other side of the ideological side to say, you did it. i'm glad you played the entire -- i literally was e-mailing my team saying, what chris hayes just showed is so important in terms of showing all the women describing the behavior. because the very thing that he's attacking all franken for, gross behavior, kissing her without consent, and the dumb joke of the photo afterwards, but the kissing part of it is exactly what donald trump was proud to tell another man that he gets to do. he actually was proud of the fact that he gets to abuse women physically and grab them, do more than just kiss them, he says, i just kiss them, i don't wait, i just kiss them. that's what al franken is
accused of doing. and saying that al franken should pay for with his job. donald trump is accused 15 times of sexual assault. he's being sued because he called one of the victims a liar. he's a proud sexual assaulter of women. he's not ashamed of it, he's proud of it. why is he in a position to keep his job if he and his supporters think al franken should not? they cannot answer that question. all they can do is cry, i don't know, they think they are crying hypocrisy, but at least all franken apologized. >> well, one of the things so perverse this morning was sarah ra huckabee sanders saying he admitted and the president denies it. which flips everything around, right? like lie and deny and say it never happened and attack the women. that is what you should do. if you add mitt it, you invite more scrutiny. that is precisely the playbook that is happening in alabama with roy moore. to the last bit.
and i want to play this for you, because what happened, we all remember, you and i were covering it together, right? we were there a year ago. and all these republicans rushed to the camera saying, i am just so upset about this. congressman chaffetz said i can't look my daughter in the eyes. then he voted for donald trump. and that is exactly what they are doing in alabama. he's the governor of alabama who said, i believe the women, i believe what they're saying is true and going to vote for roy moore anyway. take a listen. >> i believe in the republican party and what we stand for and most important, we need to have a republican in the united states senate to vote on the things like supreme court justices, other appointments the senate has to confirm and make major decisions. so that is what i plan to do is vote for the republican nominee, roy moore. >> i mean, that's saying, if you say, i believe the women who have said this about roy moore and voting for roy moore, what you're saying is, i want a child
molester, seriously, that's what you're saying, i want a child molester to represent alabama in the senate. >> yeah, this is what happens when party becomes almost a religion. when it's child molester, having a child molester on the floor of the united states senate is better than a democrat. they would rather have someone like donald trump who is a bragadocious assaulter of women, but better him than her. we have to have anything, we don't care how wicked, how much of a liar, we don't care how corrupt, we don't care what he is. this is what republicans said to us from the beginning. we don't care how low he takes the party, what a scoundrel he is, a scam artist, a conman, and literally, it can be a child molester as long as it's a republican. we will accept anything. we don't care how it damages the reputation of our party and country. nothing comes before party. nothing. ever. now, the one thing you can't say
about democrats is that. democrats threw anthony weiner over the side like they just met him. democrats at least, you have to give them credit, they are ready to throw bill clinton over the side 17 years later. but republicans essentially have created a religion out of their partisan affiliation and it literally doesn't matter what a republican has done, as long as there's an "r" after his name and he's willing to vote for the tax cuts for the rich, they don't care who he is. that's a sad thing to say about your party. >> all right. joy reid, always great to have you, thank you. >> thank you. katherine powell is a columnist for "the washington post." francesca chambers is a white house correspondent for "the daily mail." at one point today kellyanne conway referred to the allegations against the president as old news and wanted to yell at my tv set like, that doesn't matter, it's all old news. all of this is old news. that's the whole point of what is going on here. nothing ever has been properly resolved. so you don't get to say it's old news. >> of course you don't get to
say it's old news. just because an election happened, just because sarah huckabee sanders says, the people have spoken, we already had an election and they have ruled, that's not similar to having a full investigation, to having an indictment, if you really want to go down that road, to having any sort of jury trial. there's a reason why when there are criminal charges that are alleged, when there are victims who claim that they have been assaulted, the way we resolve those claims is not by having a political election, right? it's by having an investigation. that's how american jurist prudence works. >> you sit in the briefing room and i'm curious to get your perspective on how much you think the white house sweats this. and the context here is that it was interesting to me that sarah huckabee sanders yesterday wanted to have nothing to do with the franken story because i think the people around the president realized how exposed they are, even if the president doesn't. what is your sense sitting in
that room? >> i think you make an interesting point even if the president doesn't, because he opened himself up to the comparison tweeting about all franken when he did, which is seemingly why the white house didn't want to get too involve in the roy moore situation. because the president has also been accused of sexually harassing women. and what was problematic for the white house today was when sarah huckabee sanders was asked, what is the difference between the two? she didn't say the difference is that the president didn't do it and al franken has said he's sorry because he did do it. the difference is that all franken has apologized and the president has not admitted to wrongdoing. and so i think that was problematic for this white house. and that's why you're seeing that answer go around pretty aggressively. >> that is also very consistent
with everything that donald trump has done wrong. his philosophy seems to be, if you add mitt no wrongdoing, no wrong has been done, right? if you add mitt no mistake, no mistake has been made, even in the face of incontrovertible evidence such as being on tape. so this is not something that we should be terribly surprised by sanders saying in that press conference. >> francesca, that's a great point. i want to just hang a lantern on that idea that sarah huckabee sanders doesn't say, because he didn't do these things. she says -- >> she has said in the past that these women aren't telling the truth. but today when -- >> she called them liars, yes. >> but today when she was asked about it, very first question straight out of the case in the briefing, we addressed this aggressively during the campaign. there was an election as catharine pointed to the and the american people decided. and also, the difference is, senator franken admitted to wrongdoing and the president did not. and that was where she took these allegations. and another point that i would like to make, chris, about today's briefing along the same
exact lines was, she claimed that the president has weighed in on roy moore. but that is not accurate. what happened during the trip, because i was on this trip, was that the president was asked about it, he said, look, i'm in asia, i'm not watching television and looped into this sort of thing. sarah has made a statement on this on my behalf, and that, you know, if the things he says are true, then he'll do the -- if the things about these women are true, then he'll do the right thing. that's all the president said about this. so when sarah said yesterday and today that the president has weighed in on this matter, the president has not weighed in on this matter. in fact, he's dodged questions about this on capitol hill and at the white house the entire week since he got back from asia. >> katherine, do you think it matters still, against the president n the way the politics function and the perception of him? and in the ways, i think women particularly, but citizens in general think about how they relate to this white house and
whether they want to see this president in power? >> god, i hope they still matter. you know who i would like to ask a question of? it's not sarah huckabee sanders. i don't believe she's going to flip and say, you know, maybe we should believe these women. we should be asking people like mitch mcconnell, why do you believe the accusers against roy moore? and yet you don't apparently believe the accusers against president trump. you get those kinds of questions in front of influential people. you get them to rep respond and these questions will absolutely matter to the american public. >> yeah, and we're going to post, we'll post that montage that we played at the top of the show, which our production team did an incredible job on, that was them, not me. and people should watch that. one of the incredible things in this moment is we are hearing a pattern to allegations with men. and there's an m.o. often we have seen with allegations against roy moore. and you hear them in the allegations against trump.
you should think to yourself, do all the people who don't know each other report the same experience? thank you to you both. >> thanks. next, the breaking news. the russian backdoor overture and the remarkable inup consistency with which jared kushner forgets details crucial to the russia investigation, even under penalty of perjury. what we have now learned in just two minutes. i love you, basement guest bathroom. your privacy makes you my number 1 place to go number 2. i love you, but sometimes you stink. febreze air effects doesn't just mask, it cleans away odors. because the things you love the most can stink. and try febreze small spaces to clean away odors for up to 30 days.
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jared kushner. they were hard contacts to forget, frankly. under penalty of perjury, he neglected to disclose a meeting with russian ambassador sergey kislyak. also under penalty of perjury, kushner reportedly declined to disclose a secret meeting with the head of a sanctioned russian bank. one of more than 100 foreign contacts that kushner again under penalty of perjury did not initially disclose. tonight, we have breaking news about more unzdisclosed contact with the russians. we begin with nbc news investigative reporter ken delanian just published a piece with carol lee reporting. kushner failed to disclose what lawmakers called a back door overture and dinner invite involving a banker who has been accused of russian organized crime. what can you tell us? >> chris, the letter went out yesterday accusing jared kushner
of with holding information about what they call this russian back door overture. and we immediately set about trying to figure out what that was. carol lee and i learned today it involved an e-mail chain about a proposed meeting by a russian official named alexander torsion who is a former senator who has been accused by a spanish prosecutor of having mafia tie that is he denies. he's repeatedly very closed to vladimir putin. he was suggesting that he had a message he wanted to carry to trump from putin. and jared kushner's lawyer just now put out a statement, so we know that kushner responded, pass on this. a lot of people come claiming to carry messages. very few we were able to verify. for now, i think we decline such meetings. but chris, we know that this same man told bloomberg news that he had dinner with donald trump jr. around the same time at a meeting on the sidelines of a national rifle association conference.
so this is another example of a senior high-level russian seeking to infiltrate donald trump's inner circle. and an example of kushner not coming clean about what he knew about it to congressional investigators. >> so i should say, kushner's lawyer said, we passed on it, so what's the big deal? just to zoom out here, i want to be clear on this, you've got someone coming to the campaign saying, we've got a guy who wants to set up a meeting, possibly between trump and putin and pass a message. and he ends up, despite what happened in the e-mail chain, he understand up sitting next to don jr. at a dinner at an nra conference later that year? >> according to him. now, don jr. has said he remembers it differently, that the russian was at a different table, but don jr. acknowledges he spoke to a russian that evening. so yes, and congressional investigators, chris, know very little about how that meeting was actually set up. so i think that is an active
part of the investigation. another really important thing here, chris, is that jared kushner told both congressional committees that he did not recall any contacts between the campaign and wikileaks. and we learned this week that, in fact, kushner was forwarded an e-mail from don jr. about don jr.'s twitter conducts with wikileaks. and jared kushner forwarded that e-mail on to hope hicks. so he's under pressure to come back to congress and explain that discrepancy. >> ken dilanian. thank you for being with me tonight. we learned donald jr. exchanged with wikileaks and e-mailed campaign officials including jared kushner about those e-mails. there's an e-mail saying i've been talking to wix wikileaks. and we know that don jr. did not disclose them to the committee. they offered this explanation for not disclosing it, communication which he was a copied recipient was not by him
or anyone else and was not responsive to any requested about mr. kushner's own contacts. here with more on that story is jenna mclaughlin, intelligence reporter with foreign policy magazine. what's the significance of the fact that the contacts with wikileaks were forwarded to campaign folks including jared kushner? >> well, i mean, the significance of that is jared kushner saw them. he was aware of them and passed them onto hope hicks. we see with kushner he's selective with his words. he may be saying, oh, i didn't communicate, i was just aware of it and possibly forwarded it on. >> now, there's a really key part of this, which is that your reporting suggests that during his capitol hill testimony, he was actually asked about contacts with wikileaks, is that correct? >> yes, that's correct. and in several different sessions, he denied that he or anyone else in the campaign had had any contact with wikileaks or julian assange. >> okay, so i just want to be clear on that, so he repeatedly
before congress, and i don't know if ever under oath or not, but before congress repeatedly said, no one in the campaign, nor he, had any contact with julian assange, is that right? >> yes, multiple times he said that. >> that's not true. >> exactly. >> and not only is it not true, we know from the e-mail trail that there is cause to know that's not true because he wassen e-mails from don jr. saying i'm talking to him, right? >> maybe he has a definite communication of communicating with wikileaks or assange. but judging from the previous stories from this week, it sure seems like he may have been lying to congress, which is against the law. >> yeah, i want to be clear on that, it is a federal crime to lie to congress. it's not often enforced or prosecuted. he wasn't under oath. but you're not supposed to do that. >> absolutely you're not supposed to do that. whether it is under an oath or not, it's still against the law. >> it does seem to me like he's
racked up a lot of things that he forgot, am i wrong? >> yeah. i mean, it seems like he has a very selective memory. and no one has really asked him either about his ownership of the new york observer, which was also, per my story this week, a pretty favorable outlet towards the wikileaks stories. >> that's interesting. jenna mclaughlin, thank you for making time tonight. >> thanks so much. up next, remember this guy? it was set up, don jr.'s trump tower meeting with the russians? he's back. dad: molly, can you please take out the trash? (sigh) ( ♪ ) dad: molly! trash! ( ♪ ) whoo! ( ♪ )
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thrive. ♪ it was the first concrete revelation showing the trump campaign sought to collude with russia to get dirt on hillary clinton. and it came from an e-mail exchange with donald trump jr. on june 3rd, 2016, trump jr. received an e-mail that said the so-called russian crowned prosecutor, an office that doesn't exist, quote, offered to provide the trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate hillary and her dealings with russia and would be very useful to your father. this is obviously very high-level and sensitive information, but it's part of russia and its government's support for mr. trump. trump jr. jumped at the chance to get dirt on his dad's political opponent from a foreign adversary, writing in part, if it's what you say, i love it. especially later in the summer. those e-mails eventually led to a june 9th meeting with a russian lawyer and others in trump tower. that meeting was attended by donald trump jr. and jared
kushner, now a white house senior adviser, and former trump campaign chair paul manafort, recently indicted. much about that meeting remains unknown, but we soon could be learning more because the guy who set it all up, the guy who was on the other end of the e-mails with trump jr., he is apparently willing to speak to the robert mueller investigation. nbc news reporting tonight that while nothing is officially on the calender, a source close to the flamboyant publicist rob goldstone says he has been communicating with mueller's office through his lawyer. goldstone who now lives in bangkok is ready to meet with the special counsel's team. the sources tell nbc news, quote, they expect he will travel to the united states at some point in the near future, as one put it. joyce vance is a former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst nick ackerman is a former watergate prosecutor. nick, let's start with goldstone. why is he an important witness for mueller to talk to? >> well, he's extremely important because he was present at that meeting.
he's also the person who said that, one, the russian government is backing donald trump and supporting his campaign, and, two, he's the one that notified don jr. that the russians have incriminating dirt on hillary clinton. now all of this really becomes to the forefront this week with all of these new revelations about wikileaks. about the fact that don jr. was having contact with wikileaks, that kushner knew about it. the reason that wikileaks is so significant is because they are the organization that released the stolen clinton e-mails. the dirt, i am convinced that ron goldstone was talking about was those clinton e-mails that were stolen. and i think as a prosecutor my theory is very simple, goldstone or somebody else brought those e-mails to that meeting on june 9th. the donald trump campaign realized these were too hot to handle. they had to be released through
another source and that source was wikileaks. and if you look at what we know now, over the course of time after that meeting, two weeks later roger stone has contact with guccifer 2.0, the russian hacker, and then wikileaks, and then we know that during that campaign there was an ongoing conversation between don jr. and wikileaks. and the -- in response to that, he was actually going out there, sending out a url so people could look at those e-mails. >> right. >> donald sr. was talking about those e-mails and, you know, what we're seeing now is all of this allegation of conspiracy and collusion coming together among the wikileaks, the trump campaign and the russian government. >> i feel like i just got the akerman closing argument here. the goldstone point, joyce, i want to talk about a few things, but just to follow up on nick's point, goldstone -- the one line that has stuck with me of all of
the different revelations as in some ways the most incriminating and the thing i think i would remember the most in realtime is goldstone saying to don jr. the russian government's support for your father. that was a thing he put in an e-mail on the record that had to just be very memorable to anyone that encountered that sentiment, particularly when it became clear the russian government was hacking various people's e-mails. >> it's absolutely true, chris, and it's really important to remember that it's a crime for a foreign government to make a contribution to a united states election. so it's just remarkable that this didn't send up all sorts of red flags in the campaign. there should have been an immediate full stop on any additional conversation. and instead we have this remarkable, you know, if it's what you say, i love it communication back followed by the meeting. so at this point we have what's an important witness, a material witness. he provides mueller certainly
with fuller context for the meeting and its setup, but also perhaps with critically important information about russian involvement because you have to remember that although we're very focused on the trump family and trump associated, there is also potentially a crime here involving the russians who were attempting to inappropriately interfere with the united states election. >> yeah. let me ask you this about kushner. i'm going to ask you both this same question. if you're on the other side from jared kushner's lawyers after all of these failures to disclose, oversights, et cetera. nick, what are you thinking about what they are up to? >> think it's pretty obvious. jared kushner is up to obstructing the congressional committees. he's not being forthcoming. he's not telling the truth. he's not providing the documents that are relevant. they all have to come out from some other source in order for anybody to learn about them. he's lied multiple times on his national security clearance
form. he hasn't told the truth about all of the various russian contacts that he's had meetings with. that in and of itself is a crime. the fact that they are hiding something about wikileaks and the fact of these stolen documents leads me to believe that we probably have violations of the federal computer crimes statute, the computer fraud and abuse act that makes it illegal and criminal to deal in past words that donald trump jr. received such a password that was stolen on a particular anti-trump white house. they're also dealing in stolen e-mails, which is a state felony in new york. so there are a whole series of criminal acts that may wind up being proven out of what is coming out just this week as we start to put it all together. >> joyce, as a prosecutor when you got someone across from you in your crosshairs and you get
this incrementalism of evidence, is that all there is? totally. what are you thinking as a prosecutor? >> i'm expecting that as a prosecutor. in every case where i've sat across the table from a medium level drug dealer, a top level drug dealer, it's always incremental truth telling. you never get it all at once. it's the hallmark of the guilty and i agree with nick that there is a lot to look at here involving the hacks, but we also have kushner's false statements on his security forms. those look pretty cut and dry. >> yeah. >> now if the reporting we're hearing tonight is true, that he testified under oath or perhaps even not under oath in front of congressional committees and said there had been no contacts with wikileaks and the campaign, when he not only received e-mails but reportedly read them because he forwarded them on to hope hicks. he's in trouble and those are pretty easy counts to make
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thing one tonight, this week we played the video of ceos directly refuting one of the central claims of the trump tax plan. white house chief economic adviser gary cohn has argued giving huge permanent tax cuts to corporations actually benefits average americans, arguing that the ceos will use the cash to invest, create jobs and raise wages. this week, at "the wall street journal's" conference with gary contraction cohn on stage, not many ceos agreed. >> do you plan to increase your company's capital investment? just a show of hands. if tax reform goes through. okay. >> why aren't the other hands up? >> why aren't the other hands up? >> why aren't more hands up? that's a big deal because it's one of the key selling points if not the key selling point of their tax plan. so today chief white house economist kevin hassett was asked that question. >> gary cohn said why aren't
there more hands going up? can you answer that? >> that's a great question. when they asked me, i couldn't quite see how many hands there were but when i was there, it looked like maybe half the hands went up. i think if you go back and look, it could be that people had time to think about it. >> well, we did look. kevin hassett's audience estimation skills is thing two in 60 seconds. kimchi bbq. amazing honky tonk? i can't believe you got us tickets. i did. i didn't pay for anything. you never do. send me what i owe. i got it. i mean, you did find money to buy those boots. are you serious? is that why you don't like them? those boots could make a unicorn cry. yeah, tears of joy. the bank of america mobile banking app. the fast, secure and simple way to send money.
3 toddlers won't stop him.. and neither will lower back pain. because at a dr. scholl's kiosk he got a recommendation for our custom fit orthotic to relieve his foot, knee, or lower back pain, from being on his feet. dr. scholl's. born to move. when white house chief economist kevin hassett first sat down at "the wall street journal" ceo journal conference, the moderator did a poll of the ceos in the audience. >> please put up your hand if you think the economy is going to sustain that pace of growth of 3% for the months ahead. >> i'd say about half. >> i'd give it closer to a third, but we'll say a third to a half. >> okay. so a little disagreement there. kevin hassett says half, the moderator says a third, but they
also redid a poll from earlier. remember when gary cohn was on stage and just a smattering of ceos said the extra money from the trump corporate tax cut would encourage them to invest more, one of the central arguments for the tax plan in the first place. surely this time the answer would be overwhelming, right? >> again, please raise your hand if you're planning to pick up your own pace of investment in the next year. >> same people. >> another third to a half -- >> at least 70% i'd say. the lights are bright. >> a third to a half or if you estimate with a folksy laugh, maybe 70%. >> about the same people. >> another third to a half. >> at least 70% i'd say. the lights are bright. when i look in the mirror everyday. everyday, i think how fortunate i am. i think is today going to be the day, that we find a cure? i think how much i can do to help change people's lives.
republican tax cut bill wrapped up last night with a battle over what that tax cut is really all about. >> i just think it would be nice just tonight before we go home to just acknowledge, well, this tax cut is really not for the middle class, it's for the rich, and the whole thing about higher wages, well, it's a good selling point, but we know companies don't just give away higher wages just because they have more money. corporations are sitting on a lot of money. they're sitting on a lot of profits now. i don't see wages going up, so just spare us the bank shot, spare us the sarcasm and the satire and let's move on. >> i'm going to spare it, but i'm just going to say to you that i come from the poor people and i've been here working my whole stinking career for people who don't have a chance, and i resent anybody saying i'm just doing this for the rich. give me a break. i get kind of sick and tired of it. true, it's a nice political play. >> well, mr. chairman. >> but it's not true. >> with all due respect --
i get sick and tired of the rich getting richer. >> regular order, mr. chairman. regular order. >> and over and over again -- >> wait just a second -- >> how many times do we do this before we learn this? >> listen, i've honored you by allowing you to spout off here. if we brought together, we could pull the country out of every mess it's in. and we could do a lot of the things you're talking about, too. and i think i've got a reputation of having worked together with democrats -- >> let's start with chip. >> i'm not starting with chip, i've done it for years. i've done more -- >> start with chip today. >> more bills passed than everybody on this committee put together. now all i can say is i like you personally very much, but i'm telling you, this bull crap that you throw out here really gets old after a while. and do it right at the end of this. >> reminder that senator sherrod brown's reference to chip is the children's health insurance program and that nine million children in low income families
might lose that coverage because congress missed the september 30th deadline to renew it. as for all the poor people senator hatch was fighting for, a nonpartisan analysis says the senate tax plan would raise taxes on the poor by 2021. and just to boost the republican controlled optics and government's optics even further, here's steve mnuchin and his wife posing with the newly-minted money to commemorate the first batch of bills bearing mnuchin's signature. the insane week it was, next. shawn evans: it's 6 am.
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donald trump is the president which means that in this crazy week, we haven't even had a chance to mention that the keystone pipeline leaked 210,000 gallons of oil in south dakota yesterday. quote, just days before regulators in neighboring nebraska decide whether to grant the final permit to begin construction of the keystone xl which would be operated by the same company. that is the same keystone xl that trump has supported tweeting out two years ago, so sad that obama rejected keystone pipeline, thousands of jobs, good for the environment, no downside. chris lou is the former deputy labor director under president barack obama and josh barro, chris, i want to start with you. what does it say to watch this
spill happen at xl starts to move to possible construction or approval? >> we were warned about this. environmentalists warned about this for years and it's one of the reasons why the obama administration decided not to go forward with this. inexplicably during the campaign, donald trump said that approving the pipeline would be better for the environment. he clearly took no time to understand anything about tar, sands, oils, and what happens when it spills near aquafors. i was a deputy secretary of labor. i like when we create jobs, but the number of permanent jobs created. and that simply doesn't justify the environmental risk that we saw today over the last couple of days. >> and we might see more as time goes on. josh, you've been -- i feel like in this week that, you know, between roy moore and al franken and the president, you know, this major piece of legislation passed out of the house, the tax bill, we saw that contentious mark-up in the senate and the most remarkable thing to me is the distributional weight of this senate bill, and you saw orin hatch get so mad at sherrod brown.
it's weird to take umbridge at something that's the true thing about the bill that you're passing. >> the weird thing is here, they're having a disagreement about a factual question about what's in the bill, and it's partly because the republicans impute something that's not written in there which is to say some parts of this bill are permanent and some of them are temporary. they don't run for the full ten-year budget window because they don't have enough money to do all the middle income tax increases for the whole ten-year period. what republicans say and i think they believe this as well, congress will come back in the future and extend those tax cuts. we will take care of those middle income families. when you look at the distribution tables, they look better in the first year or the 10th or 11th year. republicans say, we'll come back, change the rules so it looks more like that going forward. democrats perfectly reasonably say well you didn't write that into the law, and that's going to depend on political and economic considerations at the time that those decisions have to be made and sometimes temporary tax cuts are temporary. there's also sort of exploding
stuff in this bill, changes in the way inflation adjustments are done that sound small and technical, they amount to small tax increases on ordinary families every year forever. i think republicans are focussed on that year one thing, not owning up to what's coming in future years. democrats are focussed on what's in future years. >> so one thing that unites this tax bill which a lot of people pointed to the ways it would benefit the trump family and the trump heir, as much as a billion dollars, is this other piece of news which flew a little under the radar which is the trump administration to lift ban on trophy elephant imports which you think to yourself, that's a weird policy. the president tonight tweeting he's put it under review. they're not going to implement the lifting of the ban right away and they're going to review it. the reason that connects to the tax bill is because of course the president's sons are big game hunters and we know how much they personally like to do trophy hunting. it sometimes can look a little like the entire white house is being run for the benefit of the trump family, chris. >> well, that's exactly right. there's not a lot of americans clambering to do trophy hunting for elephants and lions, except
for donald jr. and eric. and clearly, he did this for his sons. there was a widespread backlash, including by the chairman, the republican chairman of the house foreign affairs committee and he finally backtracked on this which was a sensible thing. that may be the only good piece of news that happened this week. >> josh, i couldn't believe they backtracked. my question is on the tax bill, do the politics of this which look terrible right now in the polling of the distribution, do they matter ultimately? >> i think the politics are going to matter a lot in the election. the polling shows that the poll is unpopular, and when you ask, do you think they'll get a tax cut from it. a small fraction believes they will personally benefit from this bill. and i think that's toxic. you can look in other countries, it was a tax reform that did in margaret thatcher in the uk. people notice these things when they affect their daily bottom line, almost everyone files an income tax return. it's much larger than the number of people who buy insurance through the obamacare individual market, and that was an enormous issue. so yeah, republicans feel pressure from donors, but i feel there's likely to be voter
backlash from this. >> it's a great point. you're going to notice whether you're paying more taxes or not. thank you both. >> thank you. that is all in for this evening, good night. live from los angeles tonight. president trump and republican leaders in congress won some very important votes yesterday but president trump doesn't seem to want voters thinking about that tonight. he doesn't want trump voters thinking about it. he doesn't want democratic voters thinking about it. he doesn't want independents thinking about it because votes that donald trump won in congress yesterday hurt all of those voters. the trump tax cuts that passed the house of representatives and the senate finance committee are the worst pieces of tax legislation that have ever passed the house of representatives and the senate finance committee. the worst. but the full senate hasn't voted on the bill yet. and donald trump seems to