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this case. >> that's why it's so unprecedented there can be a ton of stuff on the video that is objectionable. it doesn't mean it should necessarily give you hard jail time. ryan reilly, thank you for your reporting, putting this on the map. i'll be back here tomorrow night, 6:00 p.m. eastern. but "hardball with chris matthews" starts right now. the victim speaks. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. in her own words today, lee corfman gave her first interview. she was 14 years old when a 32-year-old roy moore pursued her and sexual abuse herd. something moore denied. corfman sbland happened after she said moore took her to his home. let's watch. >> he basically laid out some blankets on the floor of his
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living room and proceeded to seduce me, i guess you would say. and during the course of that, he removed my clothing. he left the room and came back in wearing his white underwear. and he touched me over my clothing, what was left of it. and he tried to get me to touch him as well. and at that point, i pulled back and said that i was not comfortable, and i got dressed. and he took me home. but i was a 14-year-old child trying to play in an adult's world. and he was 32 years old. >> roy moore denies these allegations and further says he does not even know you. >> i wonder how many he doesn't know. >> that's a strong statement. corfman said it haunted her for
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decades. in an interview with breitbart this weekend, moore himself again denied the allegations against him by nine different women and blamed it on a conspiracy between democrats and republicans to keep him from a senate seat. >> i believe with all my heart that mitch mcconnell and the establishment are in cahoots with the democrats to stop this campaign. they have taken a calculated risk for two years with the democrats and try to elect another republican in two years, and they want me out. >> well, meanwhile, a generational divide of sorts has opened up among republicans down in alabama. party there has stuck with moore. but over the weekend a group that represents party leaders under 40 said they were suspending all support for roy moore. that's the phrase. they said moore should step aside if he can't convincingly refute the allegations against him. also, this weekend, the state's three largest newspapers ran a skaigt editorial against moore
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on their front pages. the papers wrote, alabamians must show themselves to be people of principle and reject roy moore and all that he stands for. i'm joined by kyle witmeyer, columnist for the alabamian itself, and national politico reporter for "the boston globe." kyle, give us a sense of what that newspaper's importance is in the state. >> chris -- >> your paper. >> yeah, my paper. i work for the alabama media group. part that of is the birmingham news. and i think as an institution, we sort of look back not just on our reporting now, but our reporting during the civil rights movement which is let's just face it, was not great. the birmingham news was an apologist for what was happening here during that period. and i think we as an institution said we're not going to let something like that happen again. we're going to step out with a strong voice and say unequivocally that these women
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deserve to be believed, and make the argument that, you know, what roy moore is saying right now, these denials in the face of so many different accusers saying consistent stories, and now we're hearing those stories directly from those accusers, it's just not credible. >> so you tell me something interesting. given the legacy of birmingham, you're talking about the days of bull connor, the police commissioner who was known for the fire hoses and the dogs and all that stuff against those kids coming out of the birmingham church. this is setting the record where you're saying setting the legacy of the newspapers right. how would you describe it further? >> i believe that, look, we have to tell the truth whether that makes us popular or not. and actually, would it might make us less popular when it might not be what our audience wants to hear when people might drop their subscriptions to the newspaper?
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that's when it's most important for us to stick by our guns and speak what we believe to be the truth. >> so you're going get hit, you want to be hit on something you believe in. anyway, the "boston globe" reported today that roy moore isn't losing support among evangelical religious leaders. quote, none of the nearly ten pastors reached by phone said the allegations of sexual misconduct changed their minds about moore. several said the allegations made them more proud to vote for the former judge. repeatedly, the pastors attempted to discredit moore's accusers in personal terms which some dismissing their emotional stories as crocodile tears and fake news. instead one of the pastors told you, even if the allegations were true, he would still support moore. pastor earl wise reported there. there ought to be a statute of limitation on this. how these gals, there is a phrase, came up with this, i don't know. they must have had some sweet dreams somewhere down the line. plus there are some 14-year-olds who the way they look could pass for 20. put that all in context. that's a hell of a reading on the colorful situation down
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there in terms of evangelical surprise. >> yeah. it was an interesting week. i was calling some evangelical pastors that previously supported judge moore and asked them has that support changed since we learned some of these allegations and what are your thoughts on the allegations. and the ones i reached, all of them have decided they still back the judge. and to a varying degree, they all were willing to make deep apologies for the judge either by totally dismissing the accounts of the accusers, or even saying if they were true, they would still vote for them because the thought of supporting a democrat for these evangelicals with those socially conservative views was just unthinkable. >> you know, ruth, it reminds me of the pennsylvania voters who voted for trump because they thought he was truly a pro-life kind of guy, even though they didn't like his lifestyle, to say the least. >> i actually think this is worse than that. either you disbelief an array of people, nine women who are telling what seem to be
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incredibly believable and powerful. >> a slice of life. it does sound true. >> either you disbelieve them because you are so entrenched in your world view, or you believe -- and i think even worse if you believe them as the governor has said she does and just don't care about what he did because democrats are such -- it's so impossible to imagine a democrat being elected to the seat. >> it's only two or three years left to this term. >> it's immoral. and for a pastor do it is immorality piled on immorality. >> billy graham's son has disappointed me hi, see not the only one. jerry falwell jr., president of liberty university, another influential evangelical pastor supporting roy moore. but especially when i talk to the alabama pastors, the support was even more visceral. the language they were using, saying that moore was being lynched in the public square,
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calling john mccain and mitch mcconnell field hands picking cotton in a democratic plantation. >> no! >> these were some of the language i was hearing from these pastors who really see moore as a champion and advocate for their world view. >> the white house adviser kellyanne conway was on "fox news today" talking about the republican tax plan when she brought up and brought up roy moore's opponent down there in alabama, doug jones. she came delos an endorsement for moore which the president ghaif given lately. >> and doug jones in alabama, folks, don't be fooled. he is weak on crime. he is weak on borders. he is strong on raising your taxes. he is terrible for property owners. and doug jones is a liberal which is why he is not saying anything and why the media are trying to goose him. >> so vote roy moore? >> i'm telling you, we want the votes in the senate to get this tax bill through. >> will the president be going back down to alabama to campaign
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on behalf of roy moore before the special election? >> there is no plan to do that. >> that's a pretty strong work there by ducey, anyway. i mean it relatively. sarah huckabee sanders was asked about conway's comments. let's watch. >> is that the position of this white house, that voters are better off voting for someone accused of assaulting teenaged girls than a democrat? >> the position of the white house hasn't changed. we feel like the people of alabama should make the determination on who their next senator should be. >> but she made a clear suggestion who they should sleet for. >> and i'm giving you the position of the white house. >> they're really believing in sta states' rights tonight. can you discern direction in the polling? is it going in the direction of jones or is it static? where is it standing right now? >> we've certainly seen a shift there is no question that we've seen a shift in doug jones' favor. the question has always been
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whose base is going to be the most fired up come election day. and right now, you know, i travel through the suburbs of birmingham fairly conservative area, you know. and i've sort of made a game, my family and i have made a game of counting how many doug jones signs we see along the roadside. and i would say between saturday and sunday i saw more doug jones signs out. i haven't seen one roy moore sign in that area. now signs don't vote. but there is clearly momentum right now in doug jones' favor. it's just a question of whether he can keep it up for the next few weeks. >> yeah. >> and if it's going to be enough to overcome some of the more rural areas like the wire grass as we call it down south alabama that does not seem to be moving away from roy moore. and, you know, i think we're going see a big gender split
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here. i think we still have a lot of men who are squarely behind roy moore and think i that a lot of this is, excuse the term, trumpd up. but women who have had bad experiences in their past said hey, something like that happened to me. and i never spoke out about it either. or they had a friend that had that happen to. they're going hear these stories very differently. >> thank you, kyle. also, they're not big shot women. astead? you're shaking your head right now about men and women difference right here. >> i pointed that out to the pastors when they would bring up the conspiracy that judge moore has talked about. well, these aren't democratic voters who we're seeing here. will roy moore listen to the people of alabama. these women accusing him are people of alabama. and these people who in some cases voted for donald trump. these are real questions that people are going have to ask about is that morality more important than that partisanship. turning to a different story, there is a new allegation against senator al franken of minnesota. lindsey mentz told cnn she spoke
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to franken at the minnesota state fair in 2010. while posing for a photo with him, she said, quote, franken pulled me in really close like awkward close, and as hi husband took the picture, he puz hit handful fledged on my rear. franken said i take thousands of photos at the state fair and i certainly don't remember taking this picture. i feel badly that ms. menz came away feeling disrespected there is a dynamic clearly working against senator franken the way these stories are coming out. >> senator franken has done the wrong thing with that other episode from before he became a senator. and if this was one true, another wrong thing at precisely the wrong time. there certainly has been a point, you know this as well as anybody that if you evicted every man from the senate who had put his hand on a woman's rear without being invited to do so, you would not be able to make a quorum call in the
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senate. circumstances that based on -- not based on your personal experience. that based on word of mouth? >> well, everybody knows stories. everybody know stories about senators, some who are not november longer with us who touched women and in much more inappropriate places. but that -- this is now and that kind of behavior, if it's a credible report is not okay when you're a sitting senator. thinking was in 2010. >> he was in the senate. >> that's right. >> he is in his second term. >> to me, it's a really big difference if there is one allegation or two credible allegations. it's a really big difference if you've done it when you were in the senate or not. and times are changing. and i think behavior that used to be kind of laughed off is not laughed off anymore. >> thank you on that note. kyle whitmire, thank you for that grating report. ruth marcus as always and astead herndon for the great report from you from "the boston globe." coming up, the white house is bracing for what one intern
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welcome back to "hardball." "the washington post" is reporting today that staffers in the west wing of the white house are split over the danger of the russian probe and the legal exposure they may each face. some have taken comfort in the words of trump attorney ty cobb who now says the probe will wind down by the new year rather than by thanksgiving, as he initially predicted. however, the reassurances from cobb and others which seem at least partially aimed at keeping the president calm and focused on governing are viewed by
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others as naive. as one republican operative said of course they are worried. anybody that ever had the word russia come out of their lips or on an e-mail, they're going to get talked to. it's going to be a long winter. furthermore, there are signs that another issue will soon drop. witnesses questioned by mueller's team warned that investigators are asking about other foreign contacts and meetings that have not yet become public and to expect a series of new revelations. another source said staffers have resorted to dark humor about potential moles inside the west wing. quote, when the staff gather in the morning at the white house now, they jokingly say good morning, you wired? the co-author of that part, a white house correspondent for "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst. joyce vance is a former federal prosecutor. thank you both for joining us. i guess what i'm going to try do here is match the reporting up with the idea with what trade craft tells you about prosecution. so i'll start with ashley. this subjective worry.
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some people are worrywarts some aren't. how do you cities still out of that how far this thing is going to go? >> the only person who knows what they're talking about is mueller, and he's not talking. and everyone else is making their best guesses there are a number of staffers i spoke with who say and seem to mean they're not worried. they say ty cobb, who is the lawyer who is handling this has reassured us. originally said it would be over by thanksgiving. that's obviously not the case. look we did nothing wrong. we have nothing to worry about. and then there is other people in the president's inner circle, and certainly people close to the probe who say that's very naive. the way things like this work is it starts off less damning and you sort of work your way. in the fact that he went after people, gates and manafort on moneylaundering issues means it's an opening salvo and he is only going get closer. >> can you tell, joyce, by watching this, it seems to be
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moving away -- well, this week at least, it seems to be moving away from the collusion question, the moneylaundering question by people like manafort, gates and flynn and over towards the obstruction area that seems to be where they're pushing the fresh. if i were thinking, that would be a whole another kettle of fish. different white house people who may have been part of a conversation about how to shut comey down, shut the whole prosecution down. and that's when you get into obstruction. >> from what little we can see about how mueller has organized his team, it would be more accurate to think about this as a number of parallel tracks instead of just one big investigation going forward. so we saw the manafort, the gates and the papadopoulos lines of the investigation bear fruit. this week it seems we're seeing a little bit more, hearing reports of being witnesses interviewed as this collusion case that leads to perhaps inside of the oval office moves forward. >> what about jared kushner? he is under more scrutiny after nbc reported one source familiar
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with kushner's testimony before a congressional intelligence committee said he specifically denied under oath he was unfamiliar with any attempts by wikileaks to contact the campaign. as the atlantic revealed last week, donald trump jr. sent an e-mail about his condolence with wikileaks to kushner among others and kushner forwarded that e-mail to campaign communications staffer hope hicks. his lawyer said mr. kushner is one move people who whom one e-mail was sent handy did not respond. ashley, it seems like i got an e-mail. i passed it on. i can deny i had anything to do with it. i don't know anything about it. that's what they keep saying. i don't know anything about it. but it turns out they all do knowing? about it. >> the real problem for jared kushner is there have been a number of these things. that each within taken alone, there is a perfectly potential plausible explanation. you get a thousand e-mails in a day. you happen to pass it along. you maybe don't have much
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awareness of it. but at this point there have been so many drip, drip, drip, whether he is in the right or not it creates the impression he has something to hide, he see not telling the truth, and that's problematic. >> what i've been saying to people, and i'm not an attorney or an experienced prosecutor, joyce, but what i noticed about this guy mueller is he is very proper, very nine to five kind of guy. he does everything by the books. his hair is combed perfectly. he carries the perfect attache case. everything is in order. his resume is perfection nonparallel like nobody has ever had a resume like this guy. if there is anything there, i think you'll find it. if he does a full frisk, it's going to be a good one. if i were trump and i had something i'd done in terms of the russians or collusion, in terms of obstruction, i'm scared. i'm scared for my family, jared, my daughter. i'm scared for the people around me because it will stink up my administration if any of them go to prison. i'm scared.
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solt the junior staffers floating around the white house in junior positions, they're not scared because they don't know enough to be scared. that's way i'd read it. your thinking. >> mueller is formidable, as you point out. he is all substance. he is no flash. he will indict a case or indict multiple cases if they should be indicted. he will feel no pressure to indict if the evidence doesn't lead him there. i think, though, what we're seeing is these white house junior staffers come for academy award and say they're not concerned is a public face. i would be very surprised if we saw people publicly announcing that they were concerned and thought that they were to be indi indicted. this is a little bit of a public relations strategy that is going on right now. >> ashley, could bit that the ones who are both -- who feel the most secure are the ones who weren't invited to the party? they didn't do any obstruction. they weren't invited to anything with collusion. they just weren't part of the inner circumstance physical there was one? >> certainly. and there are a number of people who i spoke to who said, look, i
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wasn't involved in any of this. my only concern is if the topic of the investigation comes up, if russia comes up, i make a point of leaving the room. >> are they worried about somebody next to them being wired? >> my sense that was more gallows humor than an actual legitimate fear. they say look, i'm a low level staffer. i uhave no connection into this. but i do imagine it weighs more heavily on some of my colleagues, those who have had to go before congress and testify, those who have had to get lawyers on government salaries. >> i'm just a functionary here. abc news is reporting robert mueller's team has new directed the justice department to turn over a broader array of documents that request was reportedly issued in the last month. specifically, mueller's investigators are keen to obtain e-mail related to the fire ogg fbi director james comey and jeff session to recuse himself according to a source who has not seen this specific request, but was told about it. joyce, give me -- thinking than, this is the area of obstruction,
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right? they're look at there. firing comey, which i think is seen by -- by mueller as an act of obstruction. i think that was his premise going in. that's why he took the job. >> there is certainly predication. absolutely. there is predication for treating this like an obstruction investigation. and the way you prove obstruction, which is in many ways a difficult charge is by fully exploring the state of mind of everyone involved. so these e-mails and contemporaneous communications, particularly between the justice department and the white house, which are unusual and not typically had in the context of for instance an investigation into someone like general flynn, you wouldn't expect doj to be talking with the white house about what they're doing. so mueller will want to fully explore the available material here and see what he can glean from it. >> okay, thank you so much, ashley parker, as always. thanks for great reporting. that's why we're doing the piece. it's your piece. and joyce vance, thanks for your
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prosecutorial expertise and experience. charles manson is dead. he orchestrated a series of murders that terrified hollywood and shocked the world. we're going to talk to a reporter about what happened. there he is. you're watching "hardball." fast acting zzzquil liquicaps help you fall asleep fast, like stop staring at the clock fast, like stop worrying about your boss fast, like wow, you're already asleep fast. when life keeps you up... zzzquil helps you fall asleep in as little as 20 minutes.
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unwanted sexual advances towards at least eight women three. of the eight accusers spoke on the record to the paper. all were employees or aspired to work for rose. in a statement rose said he deeply apologizes for his inappropriate behavior and is greatly embarrassed, though he does not believe all the allegations are accurate. the justice department is suing to block at&t's $85 billion merge were time warner, saying it would result in higher bills for customers. first lady melania trump and son baron welcomed this year's christmas tree at the white house. the 19.5 foot boston fir is on display in the blue room. back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." charles manson has died at age 83. the cult leader and mastermind behind a string of high profile and gruesome murders back in the late '60s succumbed to natural causes.
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over the years his name became synonymous with violence, evil. >> there is no need to feel guilty. i haven't done anything i'm ashamed of. maybe i haven't done enough. i might be ashamed of that for not doing enough. maybe i should have killed 400 or 500 people, then i would have felt better. then i felt like i really offered society something. >> well, in august 1969, manson and his followers, the manson family undertook a brutal killing spree, murdering seven people, including actress sharon tate. there she is. manson was sentenced to death after a trial that lasted nearly a year. along with three of his followers, susan adkins, patricia krenwinkel and van houtte on the, those sentences were commuted to life when california outlawed the death penalty in 1972. manson spent nearly four decades behind bar, occasionally giving interviews in which he remained
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unrepentant and defiant. here is what he told nbc's tom snyder in 1971. >> how do you feel about spending the rest of your life in prison? >> well, we're all in our own prisons. we each are our own wardens, and we do our own times. we get stuck in our own little trips and we kind of judge ourselves way we do, you know. i can't judge nobody else. the best thingy do is try to judge myself and live with that. >> you scared to die? >> sometimes i feel i'm scared to live. living is what scarce me. dying is easy. >> for more i'm joined by linda deutsch, a former associated press correspondent who covered the manson trial. thank you so much for join uh us. >> thank you, chris. >> who howe do you think this all fits? i think some things are atmospheric at times. the late '60s, the 70s weed that
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symbionese army. what led people to join cults and follow these negatively charismatic figures? >> well, in the case of the manson family, it was the late 1960s. the country was in turmoil. we had been through so much. we had had three assassinations john f. kennedy, martin luther king. the vietnam war was going on. drugs were rampant. young people were alienated. and manson's true manipulative genius was he found young people who were totally alienated who were very young, who had no belief systems. and they were looking for an answer. they were looking for somebody to basically adopt them. >> yeah. >> and they found it in manson. >> was he a father figure in terms of gender and orientation? was he a father figure? was he a lover? how was this charisma effective? was it women especially or how
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would you put it together? >> there were women especially attached to him. but he painted himself as a jesus figure. he said he was the next second coming of christ. >> that's the hair that was the hair talking, i guess. >> he had a lot of delusions of grandeur. and he was a false prophet, basically. but he painted himself as a real prophet. and preached this ersatz philosophy of his to his followers, telling them that he knew all the secrets of the world, and he could take care of them. >> you know, i've heard -- i don't know much about criminal behavior. but i do know -- i've heard sometimes there is a one-off murder who will murder a wife or something or a husband, and it will be a particular set of circumstances which were just horrible or whatever. and then there are people that just are killers. i get the sense this guy would have killed more people, a danger to society. what do you think? >> i think the circumstances
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were very special. i've said that about the '60s. but charlie also was set on being a rock star. that was his aim in life. and he had come to hollywood with that ambition. had he gotten a recording contract, a lot of people say this would have never happened. >> was his voice as good as frankie lane's? did he really sound like frankie lane? i read that is in somebody's story. >> no. he sounded like nobody. it was not very good. and his main composition that he was so proud of was called "oh garbage dump." >> manson's impact was felt even during his years in prison. in 1975 lynette squeaky from who was not involved attempted to assassinate president gerald ford at an event in sacramento. >> yes i covered that too. i was up there. squeaky had been sorry that she didn't go along on the killings. she was so devoted to manson,
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she was nuts. and so were a lot of them. they were just totally brainwashed. and they would do anything for him. i went up to the sacramento right after she aimed a gun at ford, and i talked to her. i said why did you do this, basically, oh, charlie thought that ford was nixon with another face. and we thought that we should do this. and it was her and sandra good, another follower, and they wound up in federal prison for a very long time. >> how did charlie direct this? he direct 80 of a jail cell, over a phone? how did he send his order to her to do that? >> i don't think he gave her a specific order. i think she came up with it on her own, but that he told her to do something. that's what he did with all of them. at the sharon tate house, he told people to do something witchy. and they took that to mean to kill everybody in the house.
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i think that manson did speak to a lot of them by phone. but mostly he was able to manipulate the women who were on trial with him because he saw them at the prison. and every day he gave them directions what to do. dance around in court, sing. you know, he at one point hurled himself across the counsel table at the judge with a pence until his hands shouting someone should cut your head off, old man. he was putting on an incredible drama in that courtroom. >> okay. well, he is not around anymore. >> no, and thank goodness for that. >> up next, another day, another temper tantrum on twitter. president trump spent the weekend on attack going after athletes, hillary clinton, and a prominent republican critic. you're watching "hardball." i just got my cashback match,
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it was another quiet weekend over at the white house. and naturally president trump took to his favorite medium, twitter, to attack some of his critics. first up, hillary clinton, who the president went after because he didn't like what she said to mother jones magazine about the legitimacy of the 2016 election. let's take a look. >> i think that there are lots of questions about its legitimacy. and we don't have a method for contesting that in our system. this is the first time we've ever been attacked by a foreign adversary, and then they suffer no real consequences. >> he tweeted crooked hillary clinton is the worst and biggest loser of all time. she just can't stop, which is so good for the republican party. next up, lavar ball, the father of one of the ucla basketball players who seemed to dismiss the president's effort to free the players. in response, trump tweeted now uthat the three basketball players are out of china and saved from years in jail, lavar ball, the father of liangelo is
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unparishtive of what i did for his son. i should have left him in jail. finally, on sunday, trump went after marshawn lynch of the raiders for sitting during the national anthem there he is. trump tweeted great disrespect. the next time the nfl should suspend him for the remainder of season. attendance and ratings way down. for more i'm joined by susan page is with a bureau chief for usa today. libby case is at the washington poechlts and jason johnson is politics editor for the root and msnbc political contributor. in order, what do we make of this bash of commentary from the president? pick any one you would like. susan? >> okay, i'll take the first one. >> okay. for ten points. >> the 2016 election will never end. 50 years from now we'll still be debating who won. >> there is a legitimate result there. >>. >> the electorate college voted and got to 270. what does hillary clinton mean by raising the legitimacy of the
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election? >> we know president trump keeps tweeting about his adversary even though he won and was naugd. but hillary clinton also has trouble getting over the election. she is revisiting in ways that are not helpful for other democrats. this is not good news for the democratic party to question his legitimacy. >> why? >> because he was elected. he won the electoral college. he won the popular vote. democrats need to move on to pick an alternative to trump if they're going farewell in 2018. that would seem to be the natural agenda of any political party, find a leader to put out. libby, what agreed think about this, going after the football player's father? i don't get it. there is a certain aspect. he likes to go for people of color sometimes. i notice a pattern. i'm sorry. i notice it. >> and i think the populace is noticing it as well. in a "washington post" poll earlier this month talked to americans about president trump's views on race. and less than four in ten thinks he has any kind kind of race relationship or good perspective on african americans and other minorities joumplt to look at the family.
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one of my colleagues did this great piece in the post today looking at the ball family. the ball family are entrepreneurs. they have a lot of sons involved in sports. the oldest son plays for the l.a. lakers. and lavar ball has a brand of shoes and clothing out there. >> he see a promoter, like trump. >> cal pointed thought his piece when espn polled viewers and players, there were different perspectives on how this brash entrepreneur family is perceived. players love it. you are taking the money that would normally go into the pockets of big corporations and you're keeping it among an african american family. this is great. viewers have a different approach to it. and so donald trump is once again hitting americans on their couches, but really hitting about race. it could backfire, though, because there are people who are saying hey, come on. >> i got to ask. you have an old car, i've had a few over the years, you turn it off and it stays on. for reason they call it preignition. this is the night of the 2016 election. didn't we turn that car off some time in november and it's still
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going back to whatever? what it is doing? is it cruise speed? this thing won't quit. hillary seems to want to fight and he wants to fight. >> both sides benefit from. this maxine waters says he is not legitimate and democrats people cheer. resistance people cheer. the fact of the matter is you can go to a fifth grades civic class. somebody wins the election with the electoral college but loses the popular, you're going to have people say that's not legitimate. >> why do we not report the popular vote but the end of the baseball game we report the number of hits. in little rock, arkansas, to celebrate the 25th anniversary of former president clinton's election, hillary clinton reacted to the president's tweet. let's watch that. >> i'm going to keep speaking out. apparently, you know, my former opponent is obsessed with my speaking out. apparently there was another somebody told me tweet today. honestly, between tweeting and
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golfing, how does he get anything done? i don't understand it. >> that was the funniest line in the world. what do you make of this. >> libby? it doesn't look great for either side. >> but it worked in virginia for the governor's race. we did see people come out and vote for a democrat there. >> and this operation helped that? >> here is the deal. if democrats aren't turned off by hillary clinton, if she fades into the background noise, and some people go for it. they love the passion and conviction. it makes them mad. others are moving on. i don't even care. as long as donald trump keeps tweeting about it, it brings it back to the conversation. >> jason, you first. then we'll move down this way. >> okay. >> is hillary running again? >> no. oh. no. >> you're sure? >> i would bet a tremendous amount of money. i don't think she is running again. >> i don't get any indication of that. >> susan? >> i don't think she is. and i don't think it does democrats any good to have either of the clintons out there. the democrats need to move to a post-clinton era.
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>> i've been on the road for three weeks on the book tour. the one question can i get attend of any conversation, who is the new leaders? i list about five or ten people i call. i don't mean this positively, attractive. they're very attractive. they're men and women young. they look like future. none is ready to be president but there is a lot of them there is a bench as wide as a mile. but nobody on the on deck circle. >> they can't get the oxygen if hillary clinton is take it up. >> and joe biden. well, that may be argued. i used to know that. there is only one place for the democrat to talk. don't take it away from the kids. speaking of tweets, according to a new poll out today, 76% of voters feel president trump should stop tweeting. now that's bipartisan. and last week, as part of a focus group conducted by pollster peter hart, a number of trumpsters delivered a warning to president trumping his tweeting hasn't. let's watch here. >> he behaves unpresidential.
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>> he hasn't acted presidential at all. the tweets bother me. they may be enlightening some people. i'm not a tweeter. but to me it's just childish. >> i think every day he lowers the bar what it means to be president with every tweet. because every tweet he is usually contradicted an hour later. it just creates this chaotic feeling. >> that guy should be on "meet the press." anyway, the round table is sticking with us. next three scoops. they'll give me three scoops tomorrow. i get so excited here. you're watching "hardball." actu. even love it. and today, you can do things you never could before. you're working in millions of places at once with iot sensors. analyzing social data on the cloud to create new designs. and using blockchain to help prevent fraud. so get back to it and do the best work of your life.
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well, treasury secretary steve mnuchin this week responded to questions about a new viral photo of he and his wife posing with a sheet of new dollar bills. mnuchin told fox news he had no idea the picture was going to be made public. he also had this response for his critics. let's listen. >> mr. secretary, some folks, and i'm looking at the picture here which you can't see, say that you two look like two villains from a james bond movie. i'm sure you've heard that. i guess my question is, what were you thinking? >> i heard that. i'd never thought i'd be quoted as looking like villains from the james bond. i guess i should take that as a compliment that i look like a villain in a great successful james bond movie. but let me just say i was very excited of having my signature on the money. it's obviously a great privilege and a great honor. >> we'll be right back.
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we're back with the "hardball" round table. you're laughing. that's good. >> in 2012 joe biden had just been reelected vice president. he told me at that time i shouldn't run for president in 2016, to clear the way for bow biden to emerge as a national figure. his son was then diagnosed with cancer in 2013. joe biden chose not to run for an entirely different reason. but there was a very happy reason he was thinking about not running then. >> yeah. i think he is running but he told me he has not. good ahead. >> anita hill, someone from joe biden's past. i just interviewed her. she is looking at her role in the long arc of history as someone who really laid the groundwork for the me too movement today. we'll have an interview with her in "the washington post" tomorrow. she is wondering, as are many others, women in congress if we'll see another year of the woman coming out of all these accusations that mean something in 1992, getting so many women in congress. >> that's when they all came in. jason? >> we know two weeks ago we had
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