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time for tonight's last word. senator jeff flake was doing a town hall event in arizona this weekend, and his microphone was still on when he started talking to the republican mayor of mesa, arizona, john giles, the local abc affiliate caught the mayor urging the senator to run against donald trump for the republican nomination in 2020. >> come the party of roy moore and donald trump. we are toast. >> i'm not throwing smoke at you, but you're the guy who could, just for fun. think how much fun it would be, just to be the foil, you know, and point out what an idiot this guy is. >> okay. >> you know, anyway. >> mayor john giles gets tonight's last word and that word is, idiot." "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts now.
tonight, why won't the president weigh in on roy moore? new reporting on a possible shifting strategy inside the white house on the other end of pennsylvania avenue, a new accusation emerges for senator al franken. and in the world of media, charlie rose suspended after eight women come forward accusing him of making sexual advances. and on the russia front, one republican says that robert mueller is working through the staff like pac-man and warns that it's going to be a long winter. "the 11th hour" on a monday night begins now. >> and good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 305 of the trump administration brings us a new allegation of sexual misconduct against a sitting senator and a white house that's standing by a senate candidate accused of sexual abuse. republican roy moore has no plans to drop out of the alabama senate race, as he has said, and the white house appears to have his back. nine women have come forward,
claiming they had encounters with roy moore. the accusers were young or in their teens at the time. the allegations go back decades. press secretary sarah huckabee sanders maintaining today that it's a call for the voters to make. >> would you be pleased if roy moore wins his senate race in alabama. would the white house be pleased with that outcome? >> look, obviously, the president wants people, both in the house and the senate that support his agenda, but as i've said, and as the hatch act prohibits me from going any further, we certainly think that this is something that the people of alabama should decide and i'm not going to be able to weigh in anything further beyond those commence. >> former white house adviser steve bannon has been in moore's corner since the gop primary and the daily beast reports tonight under this headline, "trump world wanted distance from roy moore. then key allies lobbied the president to reconsider." the report cites bannon among those key allies. and it goes on to say, quote, in
the span of a single week, the white house and president donald trump's top allies have gone from laying the ground work to ditch roy moore, accused of, among other things, sexually assaulting a 16-year-old girl, to laying the groundwork to celebrate his possible victory next month. one of moore's accusers spoke out publicly for the first time this morning on "today." >> he basically laid out some blankets on the floor of his living room and proceeded to seduce me. he removed my clothing. he left the room and came back in, wearing his white underwear. and he touched me over my clothing, what was left of it. he tried to get me to touch him, as well. and i was expecting candlelight and roses and what i got was very different. >> roy moore denies these allegations. and further says he does not even know you.
>> i wonder how many mes he doesn't know. >> for his part, and again, for the record here, moore denies the allegations and maintains his accusers are politically motivated. >> i believe with all my heart that mitch mcconnell and the establishment are in cahoots with the democrats to stop this campaign. >> and a second woman has come forward with an allegation against minnesota democratic senator, al franken. lindsay menz says in august of 2010, franken grabbed her from behind while they were taking a photo at the minnesota state fair. this weekend, franken issued a statement to cnn. they first reported this story. quote, i take thousands of photos at the state fair surrounded by hundreds of people and i certainly don't remember taking this picture. i feel badly that ms. menz came away from our interaction feeling disrespectful. well, because it is at the center of a big issue playing out right now and because the
alabama race is getting so much attention, we have taken the rare step tonight of asking our national political correspondent, steve kornacki, to start us off at the big board with a status report. steve, good evening. >> yeah, good evening, brian. well, three weeks from tomorrow, that's the day alabama voters are going to go to the polls. look, in sports, crimson red. that's the color for alabama. in politics, in modern times, republican red has been the color. the question, can democrats on the -- because of this scandal, can they turn alabama blue, at least in this senate race? let's set up where this race stands right now, because there has been movement. before these allegations broke in the last week or two, roy moore was leading, if you averaged all of the polls together in alabama, you can see here by eight points. that was not a great place for a republican to be, even to start with in this race. typically, talking about double-digit races, landslides for republicans in alabama. so eight spoke to the fact that moore even before this was an unusually polarizing figure in alabama. now we've had a batch of polls,
especially in the last four or five days. what happens when you factor those in? add them together? that eight-point moore lead is now a deficit. a tiny, tiny deficit. if you average them together, 0.2 of a point. that's the lead for doug jones in the average of all of the polls in democrats. so that's the best position they've been in in an alabama senate race for a generation, at least. for republicans, obviously, the most perilous position. but that is close enough where you could look at that if you're roy moore and you can say, i can still win this race, especially since alabama is as republican as it is. it so sets up, this is a strategic crossroads moment for the national republican party. the question they have to face, with three weeks to go, between the election and now, when they look at poll numbers at this, how aggressively, how publicly, how loudly do they fight roy moore. to get them out of the race, they were talking about the prospect of expelling them from
the senate, an ethics investigation, everything. he's not going to leave this race. do republicans back off now? look at those numbers, let's just let this go. see if roy moore wins. if he wins, maybe we expel him, maybe we let him stay. either way, it's a republican seat. do they back off of these numbers publicly or keep fighting him knowing if they were to get some kind of write-in candidate in or fight him that aggressively, it might cost him this seat and hand it to doug jones. these are nrms that give a real dilemma to a republican party. it's close enough that moore is going nowhere and raises the question dfor republicans, how much does it matter to keep this seat republicans at all costs? >> and a couple of questions for national democrats, as well. steve kornacki, thanks for the status on the race. and let's introduce the rest of our panel. jonathan lamir is with us. and in washington, an associated press graduate, vivian slama,
these days, an nbc news national political reporter. vivian, you have covered this president so closely, including from the time you spent at the associated press chair in that briefing room. why has he gone silent now? and the second part of the question is for how long can he maintain this? >> well, remember, brian, a lot of this is unfolding while the trump administration is waging its latest battle on capitol hill, which is to pass the president's tax plan. very eated, very contentious battle where they're still not so sure they're going to get all the republican support they need, similar to what we saw with the health care bill a couple of months back. so they are really trying to put all the focus and all their effort into that without losing any other potential votes. and there in alabama, there's the potential for another vote. and the president, while trying to keep a distance from this scandal, because, of course, too many people will associate it with his own sex scandals and his own allegations against him in the past, but there's a lot
of concern that if the state turns blue, then they're going to lose another potential vote. and so right now, they are just trying to keep their eye on the ball and focus ahead, looking at taxes and trying to kind of just glaze over the very serious potential allegations that are at stake here. >> jonathan, you see two elements at work here. you see fear of his base and fear of his own history, because of the larger issue that has come up. >> that's right. this is a president who's deeply obsessed with his base, his core of supporters. he has made policy to please them. he talks to allies worried about losing them. we know his poll -- sometimes his poll numbers seems like he doesn't have much beyond his base. he is desperate to keep them in tact. he, during the republican primary in alabama for this race, picked wrong. he went with luther strange, despite from counsel from steve bannon and others that he should go with moore originally.
strange has of course lost, and trump has groused angrily to those around him that he was led astray from those in the administration. he knows there's more of an overlap between his supporters and moore's supporters. and he's afraid if he were to publicly rebuke moore, if he loses and trump is seen as getting some of the blame for that loss, he risks losing some of that base and alienating some of that base. and his own history here plays in the role, too. on the asia trip, he came back and said more than once, yeah, i haven't had a chance to study that yet, i'll drath address it when we get back to the states. he's had ample opportunities to field questions about moore and has ignored all of them in kellyanne conway's comments today were sort of telling, that they might be willing to put up with this, you know, very controversial candidate, you know, fif it means keeping the
seat for their agenda. >> you mentioned kellyanne conway, who at the end of the day says very little by accident, had these comments today to what jonathan and vivian were saying about what they needed in senate. we'll talk about these with steve kornacki on the other side. >> doug jones is a liberal, which is why he's not saying anything and why are media are trying to boost him. >> so vote roy moore? >> i'm telling you that we want the votes in the senate to get this tax bill through. >> so that's the collision of worlds there. kellyanne conway from the white house lawn, where inside her boss, the president, is watching "fox & friends," which she is appearing on live, kind of a mirror within a mirror, within a mirror. so steve kornacki, mitch mcconnell, who is bannon target number one, has talked about this roy moore race in a way that he would almost agree to a democrat rather than roy moore. the ultimate nose counter, mitch mcconnell. yet you hear how big this tax fight is looming.
they remember health care. they remember that 52-48 didn't get them much last night. >> and look at those numbers we just put up. this is the worst dilemma for republicans strategically and politically. look, the goal in talking about expelling roy moore for the last week or two from mcconnell's standpoint was, make him think it's not worth it to stay in this race. if i win, they'll not let me in anyway, there'll be this ethics investigation, i'll have to answer these uncomfortable questions under oath. they were trying to scare him off. so then they think, maybe he's down 10, 15, 20 points, something unheard of in alabama. something to make him look at and say, i'm going to lose. these numbers are close enough that roy moore is sticking in this race until the very end. if you're mitch mcconnell and looking at this, at this point, if i could recruit someone to come in as a write-in candidate,
that probably makes the difference between doug jones winning, a democrat, and roy moore winning, a republican. and on the flip side, if you're mcconnell, maybe you think, maub i say nothing, maybe i stand back, if he wins, maybe we mauve to expel him. if we expel him, the seat goes back to the republican governor who makes an appointment. that might be your calculation. and if that's your calculation, do they end up seeing if roy moore wins, the people have spoken, or do we say no to that. >> are you going to wednesday all of those gop voters if alabama. vivian, tomorrow is three weeks until that election. does that really means the president is going to go through three weeks of photo opes and availabilities and keep trying to a shag off and deflect these questions? >> it's entirely possible. we're going into the holiday week here, thanksgiving. the president is heading to mar-a-lago where he has a very light schedule so far. so it's very kbopossible that w
don't hear a peep about it. but despite the majority that the republicans hold right now in the senate and the house, every vote is make or break. it's really telling, as we go into the 2018 cycle, just how desperate and just how critical every single vote is going to be for the republican party moving forward and where they stand despite that majority. >> and jonathan lamir, i neglected to thank you for your live reporting for us from overseas. welcome back to the united states. speaking of the united states, what do you hear from inside bannon world, other than what we rortd reported a ed at the top of the broadcast. >> steve bannon a few weeks back, have been he had some second thoughts about roy moore. in this republican civil war he's hoping to wage, this candidate may be too toxic. that is no longer the case. he has doubled down his support on moore. he believes this is the choice, this is what he wants to see. he wants to change the party from within.
he sees it as another way to attack mitch mcconnell. there's also a sense in bannon camp, and certainly, they have a rather strong sense of self in this world, that if mcconnell comes out and continues to say strongly against moore, moore loses. this is another weapon they can yauz to fight mcconnell. look, you have cost us the seat. you handed alabama to a democrat, which is unheard of. we're going to blame you for this. this is another weapon we'll use to go after you. >> we got our lesson tonight in alabama red. thanks to three of our pebest friends for starting us off on a monday night as we start a new week. still ahead for us tonight, "the washington post" report that got everyone's position incoming an ominous winter is kming warning and a reference to pac-man. it's all in there. in retrospect, it makes tye
combs' patrick of wrapping this up by thanksgiving downright wishful thinking. and up next, cbs news anchor charlie rose, the latest big name to face allegations of sexual harassment. the lautest on that and much moe when "the 11th hour" continues. whooo! hahaha [vo] progress is an unstoppable force. brace yourself for the season of audi sales event. audi will cover your first month's lease payment on select models during the season of audi sales event.
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the specter, the scourge, and the very real damage and consequences of sexual harassment continue to play out today. glenn thrush of "the new york times" who has been a guest on this program and this network numerous times as an msnbc contributor has been suspended by "the new york times" due to allegations of sexual harassment. thrush has apologized, saying in
part, quote, i apologize to any woman who felt uncomfortable in my presence and for any situation where i behaved inappropriately. any behavior that makes a woman feel disrespected or uncomfortable is unacceptable. one of the women making an allegation against thrush was the vox reporter who broke the story, laura mcgan, a former colleague of thrush at politico, who writes she was out with thrush when he placed a hand on her thigh and started kissing her. the next day she said she came to work and felt a noticeable change in how she was treated by male colleagues and believed thrush had told coworkers a different version of what happened the night before. of mcgan, thrush commented saying, quote, the encounter was consensual, brief, and end ed b me. she was an editor above me at the time and i did not disparage her to colleagues at politico as she claims. msnbc for its part says it is awaiting the outcome of "the times" investigation. as that story was being digested late today came another bombshell, this one from "the
washington post," which published the accusations from eight different women alleging graphic and improper sexual advances by charlie rose. and here is how "nbc nightly news" tonight reported the story. their lead story by correspondent anne thompson. >> welcome to "cbs this morning." >> reporter: america knows him as co-anchor on "cbs this morning" and a contributor to "60 minutes," but it's at pbs where charlie rose honed his television image, urbane and sophisticated. now eight women say off the air, charlie rose sexually harassed them. the claims come from women who were 21 to 37 at the times of the encounters, spanning the late '90s to 2011, all working for his production company, distributing his show on pbs. associate producer ray abravo telling "the washington post," he was a sexual predator and i was his victim, describing unwanted advances while working with him in cars, hotels, private planes, and at his home.
irin carmon was one of the story's authors. >> there was often what some people in the office called the shore trick, which would involve mr. rose exposing himself, they said, while coming out of the shower. many of these women describe the initial move being a hand on the leg, often the midthigh. >> reporter: carl gottfried ryan confirmed to nbc that rose fired her when she told a mutual friend about walking nude in front of her while working in his home. several of the women complained to rose's executive producer who told "the post," i should have stood up for them. i deeply regret not helping them. in a statement rose wrote, it is essential that these women know i hear them and that i deeply apologize for my inappropriate behavior. i am greatly embarrassed. i have behaved insensitively at times and i accept responsibility for that. i always felt that i was pursuing shared feelings, even
though now i realize, i was mistaken. >> nbc's anne thompson with that report tonight. we can tell you tonight, two of the women confirmed to nbc news, the stories they told "the washington post," one of "the washington post" reporters said tonight her e-mail inbox is filling up with accounts of other women who had similar experiences with charlie rose. to talk about all of this, our own stephanie ruhle is here with us, along with jim wayrren, chif media writer for the pointer institute who also contributes to "vanity fair" among other publications. steph, you started out in the world of investment banking. you transitioned into the world of media. what do you make of this? >> this story and others, what charlie rose is, is a powerful man in business. and in those scenarios, when you have a star, sometimes the rules start to get bent. when that person has outsized talent, those around them start to not necessarily protect him, but bend the rules for them.
and when the guardrails come off, things really start to come unraveled. now, i know charlie well. i had never had any of those experiences. i consider charlie a friend. but i don't discount or doubt any of these stories. just think about it for a moment. you heard that reporter talk about the shower trick. when that young woman experienced charlie coming out of his shower when she had to work out of his apartment and she told colleagues, a few days later, a male claolleague said, oh, the shower trick, that shows us there's a pattern. more people are coming forward. and evette vega, his longtime producer, a woman i know well, she said right there -- and you could hear it, it was earnest and honest. she said, i deeply regret that i didn't do more. when something becomes a pattern in a powerful situation, it becomes the norm. and this is a moment for us to wake up across all industries and say, this can't be the norm. >> is this what cultural change looks like and feels like in progress? >> it certainly does.
you know, jon stewart did a really powerful interview with howard stern talking about louis ck and he was honest and said, i didn't know, but if i did, would i have done something? he said, probably not, and that disturbs me. isn't that important? as all of this came out, my old partner from deutsche bank called me and he said, you know what, steph, a lot of really bad things happened to you. and this isn't a me too story at all. wall street is an industry where bad things happen, but none of us realized it at the time. were we turning a blind eye? were we accomplices? i don't know. there were bad environments and this is a time to wake up. >> jen warren, in a media sense, at least for the time being until this is adjudicated to someone's satisfaction, charlie rose leaves openings now, two of them at cbs, rather, the morning show and "60 minutes" and his every-night, hour-long show on pbs. >> yeah, i think he's probably, probably, brian, toast,
professionally. the way these things have gone. and you mentioned glenn thrush, for those who don't know, you know, terrific reporter who's been at the white house the last year or so for "the new york times." i think these two matters, given what we see on the surface, exemplify different levels of bad behavior. none of them indefensible. i think the rose looks way more grotesque. at the same time, i'm not shocked and awed by any of this. i think we've all known about this sort of stuff that's gone on in workplaces. i think, you know, stephanie made all the right points. to me, basically, this is first and foremost about power, less about gender. now into most cases in society, most industries, be it wall street where she worked or subsequently the press, it's men who hold that power. women are now, i think, feeling very emboldened. it's interesting, also, to see the marketplace react. and the marketplace is saying, you know, get some of these guys out. though there's a difference between seemingly glenn thrush
and a predator like harvey weinstein and also at the same time, their bosses. their bosses, you know, they're boards of directors or the presidents of their news divisions are saying, we got stope aside here and put you on the pench abench and wait to se happens. i think thrush will be a really interesting case study, especially given t"the new york time times"'fabulous work on both bill o'reilly. the editor in chief will have a really difficult time making a decision here, particularly if he winds up somehow sympathetic to glenn thrush making a decision that is then not criticized for somehow passing the buck. it is very complex. >> brian, it's important, though, that we do find the lain here. there is a huge difference -- that was a really good point about true predators like the accusations against weinstein and bad corporate culture that was allowed to get worse and
worse. how we find the line, i don't know. but we need to find it. and we also need to find a place to say, people should be able to repent. we should find forgiveness somewhere in some cases. we can't simply say, let's throw all of this out and start over. >> if you were at "time" magazine, the way they try to sum up the year with the person or thing of the year. i think this is going to define in large part 2017 before it's all over. do you make it the accuser on the cover of the magazine? >> the accuser, but it's -- >> we don't want the predator on the cover of the magazine. >> when president trump won, it was about the forgotten american. the forgotten american was getting a voice. this year, with all of these sexual harassment claims, it's the little guy. it's the person who never thought they had a voice. who were they going to go to in hr? who were they going to go to in their company? now the lines are drawn. there isn't a star that's too big. everyone's voice matters. >> our thanks tonight to stephanie ruhle and jim warren. tough topic. thank you both for coming on and
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and this week, it passes a milestone trump's own legal team set. about three months ago, trump special counsel ty cobb spoke to reuters. in the interview he said, quote, i'd be embarrassed if this is still haunting the white house by thanksgiving and worse if it's haunting him by year end. but now, of course, three days from thanksgiving, a report from "the washington post" landed with a thud. it looks inside the white house amid this investigation. it says, among other things, "one republican operative in frequent contact with the white house described mueller's team working through the staff like pack man" and adds, "witnesses questioned by mueller's team warn that investigators are asking about other foreign contacts and meetings that have not yet become public and to expect a series of new revelations." well, here to talk about all of it, robert costa, national political reporter for "the washington post" and moderator of "washington week" on pbs. julia ainsley, and chuck rosenberg, former federal prosecutor and u.s. attorney,
who worked on the staffs of both robert mueller and james comey at the fbi. good evening and welcome to all of you. julia, was it -- can we now declare ty cobb as having engaged in wishful thinking? aren't we talking about something that will subsume 2018? >> i certainly think we're way too close to thanksgiving, brian, to think it's going to wrap this week, and now he has adjusted that to say by area's end. but i've been speaking with a lot of people today who are familiar with the probe and everything that needs to be done and they say that is definitely wishful thinking. and he's trying to be a good defense lawyer, keep his quiet calm, not have an outbreak of panic in this white house, which we know could happen if he isn't careful. so what ty cobb seems to be misleading his client about is the fact that this is a narrow probe. we know it's a very wide scope. brian, we've reported on your program about looking into tony
podesta's group, a democratic-leaning lobbying firm. we've looked into michael flynn's son. these are all parts of this probe that span far away from just the trump campaign and russia. so there's a lot that has to be wrapped up here. and we know in the case of paul manafort, someone who's actually been indicted in this probe, it's not until may 7th that we'll see his trial. and the special counsel's office will not shut down until at least that trial begins. so it seems in this case, ty cobb is definitely engaging in wishful thinking, probably to try to keep a sense of calm among the white house. >> hey, chuck, robert mueller is such a fascinating combination of things. a wounded decorated marine combat veteran. a guy who had the best schooling in this nation from prep school on through college. a guy who really regards himself as a public servant. what of your understanding of
robert mueller educates your guess about how far we are into this thing and how much to go? >> well, you're right in your description of him. he's decisive, he's smart, he has great judgment and great instincts, but he's also unbelievably thorough. so six months, brian, is the blink of an eye. >> just getting started. >> right, that's right. it's the plink of an eye in a big complicated white collar case. you have multiple defendants, three that we know of already. obviously, they're gathering documents from lots of different places and lots of different countries and they have a whole bunch of folks they need to interview. so i just wonder if anyone asked ty cobb when he said it was going to thanksgiving, a year he had in mind. >> on that note, robert costa, what is the atmosphere that you are detecting within trump world and the west wing? and has it turned to the kind of atmosphere really a good prosecutor wants? and that is, who do you trust? >> it's a divided scene inside
of this west wing. and there are some who believe in mr. cobb and his optimism about the way that this investigation will unfold, and there are those who are growing increasingly skittish about this process, about how so many former campaign advisers and key figures like general flynn are either under investigation or just being interviewed by the mueller team. others are scheduled to be interviewed in the coming weeks. and as my colleagues, two of the betts laid out in this story, they really envision inside of the white house, as they say, as one source says, a long winter. >> julia, do people come away from a session with mueller thinking they've been cleared? >> no. i know people who have gone back for multiple sessions with mueller's investigators, and then they're asked for more documents and more e-mails. just like chuck rosenberg just said, theirs is a very thorough man leading this investigation. and he's going to look under every stone.
so a lot of times people will come out thinking, gosh, i've told them everything i know, but there's more. and it's happening in congress, as well. as we know, the senate judiciary committee just this week said they wanted more from jared kushner that he hadn't previously disclosed. so we're seeing threads being pulled here and there's so much more at the end of it, of course this is going to take a long time to play out. >> chuck, what's the chance that for weeks, not months that there's been a stack of donald trump donald trump's tax returns on mueller's desk or the desk oaf the person mueller designated to investigate financial crimes km. >> i can tell you from my own experience as a white collar federal prosecutor, one of thet in the case are tax returns. they offer an enormous amount of leads. where does the money come from? where does the money go? what do you need to subpoena next?
so what are the odds someone has his tax returns on their desk? pretty high. >> and in terms of icebergs, chuck, what is the percentage visible above the water of the mueller effort? are we talking about 5 to 10% of this effort is publicly known? >> i think that's a fair guess. i don't know how much is visible above the water and how much is below the water. i can tell you most of it is below the water. >> robert costa, is the president to your knowledge happy with his team? do you think he's going to see the need for a wartime consulier on this? >> the president, i'm told, by many of his confidants is a i ware that many of the white shoe lawyers in washington because of legal complications or different relationships they have or perhaps they're just busy have avoided joining ft.'s legal team. so he's built a relationship with cobb and has confidence with cobb because they believe they do have a channel to mueller and his team. they have relationships with that group going back decades. at the same time, there is an
element on the hard right in the trump base who's yearning for more of an aggressive posture when it comes to this probe. not calling for mueller to be fired, or for pardons to be given, but just a more combative approach. and so you sometimes hear i inklings that the president is leaning perhaps in that direction. >> oaks, man, was this interesting and are you guys come back. robert costa, julia ainsley and chuck rosenberg, thank you. we'll continue this conversation by inviting you all back often. coming up after our next break, the president makes a declaration on north korea, but what kind of an effect could it have when "the 11th hour" continues. more savings on car insurance? yeah bro-fessor, and more. like renters insurance. more ways to save. nice, bro-tato chip. that's not all, bro-tein shake. geico has motorcycle and rv insurance, too.
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it should have happened years ago. >> actually, it did happen years ago. north korea was originally placed on that list in 1987. it was removed from the list by president george w. bush in '08 in exchange for meeting some nuclear inspection targets. now the trump administration is putting it back on the list at this time of heightened tensions with the north. and during this time of the first real serious talk of war, really, in decades. >> in addition to threatening the world by nuclear devastation, north korea has repeatedly supported acts of international terrorism, including assassinations on foreign soil. as we take this action today, our thoughts turn to otto warmbier, wonderful young man, and the countless others so brutally affected by the north korean oppression. this designation will impose further sanctions and penalties
on north korea and related persons and supports our maximum pressure campaign to isolate the murderous regime. spl a >> and just perhaps in a nod to diplomacy, secretary of state rex tillerson used some slightly more diplomatic language. >> i think it's really just the latest step in a series of, as you can see, ongoing steps to increase the pressure. i call it the peaceful pressure campaign. the president calls it the maximum pressure campaign. so there's no confusion, they're one in the same. >> do you believe that the united states is running out of diplomatic options to respond to the nuclear threat of north korea? >> no, i do not. >> as to this current tension between the north and the west, especially the u.s., this appeared sunday in a state-run newspaper. there is no other kind in the north. and hear is how they wrote about the president's recent trip to asia. "a load of rubbish sprouted by the old lunatic trump during his recent visit to south korea was a total of all nonsense." they go on to say the u.s. would
regret letting such a depraved and stupid guy occupy the white house. well, here to talk about all of this, gordon challenge is bang us, author of "the coming collapse of china." and jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the pentagon. gordon, first of all, why has the north been so quiet? what was the last date they blew off or tested something and what do you think is at work here? >> the last day they launched a missile was september 15th. the last nuclear des death nation was september 3. i think they were quiet because china was in the run-up to its 19th national party congress. and xi jinping, who's trying to consolidate power, i believe, demanded absolute calm so nothing would get in his way. i don't know that, but that seems to be the case lacki inlo everything. north korea has been affected by
what trump said, but the chinese have more direct control over all of this. now it's quiet because they're heading into their winter training session and it's cold and not a good time to launch missiles. >> jeremy bash, what did you think of the strategy announced my the white house today? >> i think this was largely a symbolic move. it was justified, and as you reference, brian, this designation of a state sponsor of terrorism was removed by president bush, really as a carr carrot, or more appropriately, the removal of a stick to get north korea back to the ghoes t negotiating table and to reward them when we thought themp cooperating with us on six-party talks. i think it was justified to reimpose that designation, but it will not do much to pressure kim jong-un to giving up his nuclear program or restraining it and stopping that all-critical meeting of a miniaturized nuclear weapon on top of an icbm. >> gordon, i don't know how they let the president go out unbriefed, because this was placing it back on this list after many years on this list,
but what's the chance this backfires? what's the chance this will have real teeth and succeed? >> tomorrow we're going to learn a lot. because trump also announced that tomorrow, the treasury is going to start issuing sanctions. and he said the first one was going to be a large sanction. you know, because it's treasury, it must be a financial sanction of some sort. north korean banks have already been sanctioned ed ed a all out. so probably what they're going to do, and this is just a guess, but i would suspect they're going too far after a chinese bank. they designated bank of dangdong as a primary money laundering concern. that was a signal to beijing that the administration was willing to apply pressure. maybe they're going after a larger chinese financial constitution now. >> and as these things work, this is something president trump said to xi jinping and they're expecting, i'm guessing? >> well, we don't really know or i don't know what trump said to
xi jinping. trump did tweet out afterwards that xi jinping is going to impose new sanctions, but we've seen no evidence of that at all. >> jeremy bash, without sounding patronizing here, do you think by all accounts the president is learning about interconnectedness and how there are other countries that may have a louder voice, even than ours? >> i don't know, brian. to me, the headline out of the trip was really the absence of any clear or coherent strategy by the united states and our allies and partners in the region to constrain north korea's nuclear program. i'm not sure we advanced the ball very much. i think we're kind of waiting to see what gains kim jong-un makes on his program. and i bet that by the time the calendar turns from december to january in twooigt, we'll be back in the same place we were, facing a very grave threat from north korea. >> two of the gentlemen we will
have back the next time we are forced by news or events to talk about this topic. thank you both so much. coming up, what does the future hold for the president's charitable foundation, which is currently under active investigation. investigation. more on that when we. hurry in for the tempur-pedic inblack friday savings event. more on that when we. get the limited edition tempur-legacy queen mattress set for the best price ever. or save up to $500 on select adjustable sets. ♪ find your exclusive retailer at tempurpedic.com.
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now to the question, so what have we learned and what's likely to get attention tomorrow? nbc news is reporting president trump's charity, the donald j. trump foundation, has formally begun the process of shutting down. according to the foundation's 2016 irs filing, filed this month, "the foundation announced its intent to dissolve and is seeking approval to distribute its remaining funds." then president-elect trump announced last december he was closing the charity to avoid "even the appearance of any conflict." but the donald j. trump foundation isn't going anywhere yet because it's being kept open. the office of the new york state attorney general said today, "as
the foundation is still under investigation by this office, it cannot legally dissolve until that investigation is complete." attorney general eric schneiderman ordered the trump foundation to "cease soliciting contributions" back in october of 2016 after a report that the charity lacked the proper authorization to seek public donations. we'll stay on top of the story. coming up, how it was today that a city bus in atlanta almost exploded the flrnt. internet. every day, on every street, in every town, across america. small businesses show their love to you. with some friendly advice, a genuine smile and a warm welcome . town. town. that's why american express is proud to be the founding partner of small business saturday. a day where you get to return that love, because shopping small makes a big difference. so, this saturday get up, get out, and shop small.
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last thing before we go here tonight. the more we build cathedrals of sports in this country, the more apt we are to take advantage of the next tax abatement and tear down the once great cathedrals to make room for the next one. well, tonight we mourn the death of the georgia dome in atlanta. when it opened back in '92, it was the wonder of the south, second largest covered stadium anywhere in the world. it was home to the falcons and hosted the stones and the olympics and two super bowls. but it had, shall we say, roof issues and was no match for rain storms and at least one rare tornado. now it's been replaced by the behemoth mercedes branded neighbor next door. so when they blew up and demolished the georgia dome today it was a big deal in atlanta. and our friends at the nearby weather channel had a live camera all set up and ready.
and here's what happened at the moment of demolition. >> [ bleep ] get out of the way, bus. are you -- uh! what the [ bleep ]! [ bleep ]! [ bleep ]! >> nothing to see here. by the time the city bus moved on, it was all over. here by the way is what it looked like from an unobstructed view. they sure blowed it up real good. it was quite something to see. and of course the bus launched a thousand imitators. this is the internet, after all. this collection came to us courtesy of "sports
illustrated." so look at it this way. while we lost the former wonder of the south, we gained a meme, and by tomorrow this time there's something else we'll all be talking about. that is our broadcast for a monday night. thank you so much for being here with us. good night from nbc news headquarters in new york. so this has been an incredible and fast-moving day of news. i sort of think the news gods are looking ahead and thinking all right, thursday's a holiday, for thanksgiving we'd better get moving because we've got a lot to cram into what looks on the calendar like a week but it's going to have to go fast. i mean, just in terms of me and my staff putting this show together, what we thought was going to be on the show at the start of the workday today has changed 100% over the course of today. over the course of this day and afternoon and evening where big news just keeps breaking. so let's start at the top, which tonight feels like starting at the bottom of the barrel.