tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC November 21, 2017 12:00am-1:00am PST
that is our broadcast for a monday night. thank you so much for being here with us. good night from nbc news headquarters in new york. tonight on "all in" -- >> so vote roy moore? >> i'm telling you, we want the votes in the senate to get this tax dhsh tax bill through. >> the white house effectively backing an alleged child molester because of tax cuts. >> do you believe roy moore's accusers, mr. president? >> thank you very much. >> tonight, why won't the president drop roy moore? even as more of his accusers tell their stories. >> i was a 14-year-old child trying to play in an adult's world, and he was 32 years old. then the long winter of the russia investigation. mueller asks for documents related to possible obstruction of justice. plus, the candidate who assaulted a journalist and got
elected to congress lied to the police. >> i'm sick and tired of you guys. the last guy that came in here you did the same thing. get the hell out of here! get the hell out of here. >> and how the republican tax plan sticks to it the middle class. >> where do you think the $300 billion is coming from? is there a fairy dropping it on the senate? >> michael moore is here to talk than, when "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. the white house spent ten days studiously avoiding taking a clear stance on alleged child molester and gop senate candidate roy moore. that changed today. kellyanne conway going on national television to effectively argue the people of alabama should stand with the man accused of sexually assaulting a 16-year-old. >> doug jones in alabama, folks, don't be fooled. he'll be a vote against tax cuts. he is weak on crime, weak on borders. he is strong on raising your taxes. he is terrible for property owners. and doug jones is a doctor in liberal which is why he is not saying anything and why the
media are trying to boost him. >> so vote roy moore? >> i'm telling you, we want the votes in the senate to get this tax bill through. >> but the rnc has withdrawn support for roy moore. mitch mcconnell has withdrawn support. so has the young republicans vote withdrawn support for roy moore. >> and a lot of women. >> right. and you know what? i just want everybody to know, doug jones. nobody ever says his name. >> okay. message here is not ambiguous. it is unmistakable. kellyanne conway, counselor to the president says december 12th alabamians should vote for a man who currently stands accused of molesting a 12-year-old girl, sexually assaulting a 16-year-old and dating or attempting to date five more teenagers including calling one while she was in trig nomt class. so republicans can pass a massive tax cut that overwhelmingly benefits corporations and the wealthy. it's a very different message than kellyanne conway herself was pushing just last week. >> whatever the facts end up
being, the premise is of course the principle, the incontrovertible principle is there is no senate seat that is worth more than a child. >> no senate seat worth more than a child. it's profound. what happ changed? according to new reporting, ohs the past week the white house and president trump's top allies have gone from laying the ground to ditch moore to laying the groundwork to celebrate his possible win next month. multiple sources saying trump is told not the criticize moore by many of his closest advisering including kellyanne conway and steve bannon, trump's former strategist who of course aggressively championed the now accused child molester moore in the primary. president trump has been accused on the record of course we should note of unwanted physical contact by at least 15 women. he denies all their accounts, called them liars. said they were not attractive enough for him to assault.
on friday, the president criticized al franken over sexual misconduct allegations. and then over the weekend, he found time to attack a black football player and the father of a black college basketball player. but for some reason, for some reason, the president, who has opinions about nearly everything under the sun, continues to simply have nothing to say about roy moore. >> to the media, to the press, thank you very much. we appreciate it. thank you. >> your thoughts on roy moore, mr. president? do you believe his accusers? >> thank you. >> do you believe roy moore's accusers, mr. president? >> thank you very much. >> the white house press briefing today sarah huckabee sanders was asked about conaway's comments. >> good afternoon. >> is that the position of this white house that voters are better off voting for someone accused of assaulting teenaged girls than a democrat? >> look, as i've answered, i think even for the third or fourth time today, as well as 10 or 15 times on thursday and friday of last week, it's the position of the white house hasn't changed. we feel like the people of
alabama should make the determination on who their next senator should be. >> but she made a clear suggestion over who they should vote for. >> and i'm telling you, i'm giving you the answer of the position of the white house. >> moore suggested mitch mcconnell is part of a conspiracy to discredit him. >> i believe with all my heart, mitch mcconnell and the establishment are in cahoots with the democrats to stop this campaign. >> his democratic opponent doug jones has surged in the polls of the wake of the moore allegation. but the race remains close. yesterday, the three largest newspapers in alabama ran identical front page editorials arguing that alabamians must show themselves to be people of principle. reject roy moore and all that he stands for. this morning on nbc's today show, leigh corfman who says moore molested her when she was 14 offered her first on camera account of what happened. >> he basically laid out some blankets on the floor of his living room and proceeded to seduce me i guess you would say. and during the course of that,
he remove mid clothing. he left the room and came back in wearing his white underwear, and he touched me over my clothing, what was left of it. and he tried to get me to touch him as well. and at that point i pulled back and said that i was not comfortable. and i got dressed, and he took me home. but i was a 14-year-old child trying to play in an adult's world. and he was 32 years old. >> roy moore denies these allegations and further says he does not even know you. >> i wonder how many mes he doesn't know. >> congressman lance of new jersey. do you believe leigh corfman? >> yes, i do.
and i think mr. moore should not be elected to the united states senate. >> do you think alabamians should vote for doug jones? >> no. i'd like to see a write-in, and i would suggest martha roby, my colleague from alabama who is a conservative republican and a very fine member of the house and would be a fine member of the senate. >> unlike the white house, you're willing to take that a stand and say he should not be in the race and people should not vote for roy moore based on what you know about him? >> correct. >> do you find it astounding that the president who has opinions on so many things. he shares them with all of us all the time has no opinion about a man who stands credibly accused and you believe the accusation of molests a 14-year-old girl whose bear his party's imprimatur, who still has the endorsement of the president as far as we know. the president has nothing to say about that. what do you make of that? >> i hope the president speaks up on it. and of course he had endorsed senator strange in the primary. and i wish that the senator had been renominated. >> do you believe the women that have accused donald trump of touching them -- >> i have no reason to
disbelieve them. i think in both the bill clinton case and the donald trump case, it was a behavior before they were president and president clinton got into trouble based on trouble while he was president. and i hope this president conducts himself in office in a higher standard. >> so your idea is it was before election day, that's just bracketed it away. >> with regarding presidents, i think we've elected these men as president, recognizing their faults. and let me say that try to lead by example. and i certainly have tried to conduct myself in an honorable manner, and certainly as well regretting -- regarding the office i run. >> there are republicans who thought that roy moore was unfit to be a united states senator before these allegations. this is a man who has been kicked off the supreme court twice. this is a man who said one of your colleagues, keith ellison should not be allowed to serve in congress because he is muslim, in direct contradiction of a ban on religious for office. do you share that belief, that this is a man who is unfit before these accusations?
>> yet. and i think there should be no religious test in holding office in this country. and keith ellison and have i different political views, but he is a colleague and a friend, and he has a right to serve in the congress of the united states. >> what do you think about when you think about roy moore possibly winning this election, you and he serving in the same party in congress? >> he'll be over in the senate if that were to be the case. and i hope he is not elected. >> let me tell you something. you're running in new jersey seventh district. it's going to be a very competitive district. you know that. obviously, and we can talk about your vote on the tax bill in a moment. they're going to run ads about roy moore in your district. if i was a democratic consultant and roy moore was a sitting u.s. senator, i would say this is what the republican party stands for. donald trump in the white house and roy moore in the u.s. senate who is credibly accused of molesting a 14-year-old girl. is this the girl you want the give power to? >> i represent a very
sophisticated district, and i'm sure the voters in the district i serve will reelect me based on my views and any such campaign would be demagogic. >> you voted against the tax bill? >> i did. >> you were one of 13 no votes. they say this won't raise taxes on anyone in the middle class. that true when they say that? >> i don't think it's completely true. i've been fight for what is known is the continuation of the deductibility of state and local taxes. that's very important for new jersey because we have the highest property taxes in the nation. >> you -- just zero in on this, they're say nothing one in the middle class is going to see a tax hike. what you're saying and i think is borne out by the analysis is that is not true. >> thing will be some who see a tax hike. there will be some who will not. >> of course. >> there will be more who will.
so that's why i have been fighting on this issue. >> leonard lance from, have a great thanksgiving if i don't see you. >> thank you. >> joining us joan walsh and former democratic congresswoman donna edwards of maryland, senior fellow at the brennan center for justice. this morning when i saw kellyanne conway, i thought to myself, wait a second, is she freelancing or they're now turning the ship towards an endorsement. and the daily beast reporting trump world wanted distance and then key allies lobby the president to reconsider. in the span of a single week, they have gone from laying the groundwork to ditch roy moore to possibly celebrating his victory. >> yeah, that's what she did this morning. i have to say even steve bannon was saying that, you know, he'd kill him himself. hannity was going after roy moore. and then something changed over the weekend. and i don't know what it is. but kellyanne, having said what she did last thursday, this morning i think even the fox folks were kind of like what? >> you could see that they were not anticipating and they were confused as to what the actual line was. >> is this what we're supposed to be saying for the rest of the day? okay. >> donn -- i was just talking to the congressman here. and you served in congress. one of the things that happens to democrats and i'm not
comparing the two situations. they'll run against nancy pelosi when you're running against a democrat in kentucky. i do wonder this figure of roy moore, this is -- i don't think you can unring this bell. but maybe i'm wrong. you've been on the front lines of politics. what do you think? >> well, i have. i can see for myself traveling around the country that the republican party ran against nancy pelosi in a very effective way to take control of the house of representatives. and i have to tell you, i mean, i think that this is really an albatross around the republicans' necks. you look at the defense of donald trump, which was indefensible, and now you add to that roy moore. and they become the party that is, you know, a party that is about pedophiles and sexual predators. and i don't think it's defensible anymore. and i think you can see the tightrope that my friend leonard lance was walking both on the tax issue but also on this question of sexual assault, sexual harassment.
you know, it's a very bad look for the party, the supposed party of family values. >> i should note this is a broader issue than roy moore, and i don't want to make apples -- i don't want to aggregate everything together as all incidents are the same. i want to be clear that what he stands accused of is incredibly serious, and the other things i'm about to introduce are different grades of that. but as to no party having a monopoly on this, today there is a second allegation against al franken there is reporting about glenn thrush, a times reporter. full disclosure also an msnbc contributor. and charlie rose. this is "the washington post," our friend bylined on. this saying he made unwanted sexual advances towards them including lewd phone calls, walking around naked in their presence. i should read charlie rose's response. it is essential these women know i hear them and i deeply
apologize for my inappropriate behavior. i am greatly embarrassed. have i behaved insensitively at times and i accept responsibility for that. although i do not believe all of these accusations are accurate. i always felt i was pursuing shared feelings even though now i realize i was mistaken. >> i'm supposed so say what? people are learning. men are learning. we're all learning together here. it's kind of amazing. but we do have a to put what roy moore is accused of in a separate category because it was preying on young women, including a couple of juveniles. but these other things, chris, they keep coming out. and there are people of different ages. and some are old school and some are newer school. but we just have to keep talking about this. and, you know, i'm glad you're not asking me what we want to do with everything. >> in some ways that's a difficult situation. in roy moore it seems an open and shut case. whatever party you were part of, these are obviously disqualifying.
no question. in the case of al franken, it's a much more open question, and there is real democrats wrestling with that right now. >> including myself. but what kind of troubling to me right now is women are having this stuff thrown back in our laps. >> yes. >> okay, there are all these allegations there are all these guys who have done things wrong. well, what should we do? should bill clinton have been -- have resigned, blah, blah, blah. i think we're -- i don't know. i actually don't know. these are all -- >> a lot of people female feel that way. >> these all different situations. so when you turn it around to ask me or donna what should happen, you're not doing that, but it's happening all the time. it's like we all need to get together and decide, and we all need to figure out why are men doing this. >> what should happen is people shouldn't do this in the first place. >> yes. >> is the first answer that should be prevented. and donna, the point of roy moore in a separate category, it is astounding to me the white
house would flirt with continued support. i just can't imagine going back in any moment i've covered politics, someone being really credibly accused. we've got say credibly accused because this is something she shared with people contemporaneously throughout her life. credibly accused of molesting a 14-year-old girl that he picked up outside a custody case when her mama went inside for that custody case that would be a career-ender in any universe i think i've lived in, right? >> well, and, you know, i think that is true. but let's really be clear here. i don't want to reach back 20, 30 years ago with people who were in office. i want to talk about people who want to hold off, about people who were in every single workplace. sometimes for women who really don't have anywhere to turn. and i have to tell you, whether or not leigh corfman had shared her story or it had been corroborated, i listened to her and i know her words to be truthful. and we have to start trusting women. we have to start believing
women. and they shouldn't have to stand in groups and blocks of women making accusations in order to be believed. and i feel like that's the kind of environment that we're in right now. and that's not acceptable. as to the what we should do, we should do different things with different people because they're accused of different things. >> yep. >> and you're right. where roy moore is in a completely separate category than some of the other things that we've discussed. but frankly, i have to tell you, starting with the president of the united states that we knew all along, this has got to stop. >> joan walsh and donna edwards, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thanks. ahead, michael moore joins me to talk about the state of the republican party and why the gop is jamg through a tax hike on low and middle income americans. others are preparing for a long winter. amazing reporting on the west wing in two minutes after that report. i'm all about my bed. this mattress is dangerously comfortable. when i get in, i literally say ahh. america loves
recommendation, i was going to fire comey, knowing there was no good time to do it. and, in fact, when i decided to just do it, i said to myself, i said, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a made-up story. it's an excuse. >> the president's decision to fire former fbi director james comey in the midst of the russia investigation is now widely regarded, include big trump allies including steve bannon as a catastrophic error which triggered the appointment of a special counsel and a probe into probl possible obstruction of justice. so for the president's lawyer, how do you keep him from lashing out again and creating another potentially disastrous self-inflicted wound. the answer, according to a new report from "the washington post" is you convince him it will all be over soon. the post reporting that ty cobb, really his name, the outside lawyer handling the mueller probe for the white house had initially said he hoped the probe would conclude by thanksgiving, but saying he remains optimistic it will wrap up by end of the year, if not shortly thereafter. the president had warmed to
cobb's optimistic message, according to the post there is just one problem. witnesses, legal expert, even republican allies consult beside the post say mueller is a long way from wrapping up his investigation, which is expected to continue well into 2018. on top of that, quote, witnesses questioned by mueller's team warn that investigators are asking about other foreign contacts and meetings that have not yet become public and to expect a series of new revelations. as one operative told "the washington post," it's going to be a long winter. joined by pulitzer prize journalist carol leanig. what is the pitch from ty cobb to the president to try to keep him cooling his heels? >> the white house lawyer ty cobb who has been on the job since this summer basically has said to the president and everyone in the white house we are turning over records. we are providing in a cooperative manner all of the needs of the special counsel bob mueller. we are providing him with
interviews with former and current staff. and all of that will be completed by thanksgiving or december or the end of the year. and in truth, that stage of the process could very well end by the end of this year. but probe is going to go on for some time and remember every prosecutor is looking at a big wide circle of people on the outside to get closer and closer to the inside. and we just don't know what we don't know. we don't know what's going to happen as a result of lower level aides and even paul manafort, former campaign chairman who has been indicted, rick gates, another campaign aide, george papadopoulos, another foreign policy adviser to the campaign being charged. we just don't know all of the things those people are going share with prosecutors, and that their information is going to lead and point to others. there. >> is a great quote in here i wanted to get your response to. a person close to the trump administration to "the washington post." this investigation is a classic
gambino style rollup. you to anticipate this rollup will reach everyone in this administration. that's going to be a terrifying thought for people in the white house. >> well, it is kind of scary because, i mean, a lot of them have not had any up-close and personal experience with a white collar criminal investigation. this is a bit of a rieb brid in -- hybrid because bob mueller's original charge was investigating interference in the 2016 election. almost everyone accepts as a fact that the russian government tried in multiple ways to both tilt this election and to sow discontent in our country and lack of confidence in our institutions. and also tried to infiltrate the trump campaign in many ways, multiple soft touches to various aides there is a serious criminal probe into the hacking, the stealing, the crime that's there. but this is a white collar probe too. what kinds of crimes,
conspiracies were campaign advisers and friends and others involved in that might have helped the russians? >> does everyone have their own legal representation? >> a lot of people have lawyered up. and it's actually a source of the grim discontent inside the white house because some people really do face legal bills that would be three and four times their annual salary at the white house. >> all right, carol leannig, thanks for joining me. >> you bet. greg gianforte. remember him? he assaulted a reporter for asking a question at a campaign. that after a quick break.
remember that time a republican congressional candidate assaulted a reporter, lied about it and still won the election? we just learned that greg gianforte who is currently serving as the sole congressman from montana not only lied to the public and to the press about that assault, he lied to police. the incident unfolded on may 24th, the day before a special election in montana when guardian reporter ben jacobs reported greg gianforte just body slammed me and broke my glasses. the gianforte campaign almost immediately blamed the incident on jacobs himself. gianforte's spokesman shane scanlon released a statement which read in part, greg then attempted to grab the phone that was pushed in his face. jacobs grabbed greg's wrist and spun away from greg, pushing them both to the ground. it's unfortunate that this aggressive behavior from a liberal journalist created this scene. but audio record big jacobs painted a much different picture. >> the cbo score.
because you know, you were waiting to make your decision about health care until you saw the bill and it just came out. >> we'll talk to you about that later. >> but there's not going to be time. i'm just curious. >> speak with shane, please. just -- i'm sick and tired of you guys. >> jesus -- >> the last guy who came in here did the same thing. get the hell out of here! get the hell out of here! let's not do the same thing. you're the guardian? >> yes. and you just broke my glasses. >> the last guy did the exact same thing. >> you just body slammed me and broke my glasses. >> get the hell out of here. >> you'd like me to get the hell out of here. i'd also like to call the police. can i get you guys' names? >> the gianforte campaign through shane scanlon who attached his name to the statement lied and they slandered reporter ben jacobs. the next day montana voters, many who had already voted early elected gianforte to congress. he later pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault. and in his june 7th apology to
jacobs wrote notwithstanding anyone's statements to contrary, you did not initiate any physical contact with me and i had no right to assault you. he also, the congressman promised to give an on the record interview to ben jacobs which he has yet to do. and now nearly six months later, we find out that gianforte lied to the cops. according to the newly released police report, gianforte told the sergeant, quote, i probably shouldn't do it, but i reached out for the phone. he grabbed my wrist. he spun. well ended up on the floor so he pulled me down on top of him. gianforte said the liberal media is trying to make a story. his current spokesman travis hall told the ap no one was misled, which is of course an obvious and demonstrable falsehood, which also means that travis hall's word is worth what shane scanlon's was before him, which is nothing. and gianforte's lie to the police mirrors the lie his campaign put out the 90 of the incident. they hoped it would fall down the memory hole which for the most part it has. something which i'm sure is not lost on roy moore's campaign.
there is movement on special counsel robert mueller's investigation, specifically on possible obstruction of justice. mueller is reportedly asking the justice department for thousands of documents. a source telling abc news in particular mueller's investigators are keen to obtain e-mails related to the firing of fbi director james comey and the earlier decision of attorney general jeff sessions to recuse himself from the entire matter. natasha bertrand is a political correspondent for business insider who has covered the
russia investigation extensively. just heard about this latest pure by mueller's team. natasha, what do you make of this development? >> well, legal experts that i have spoken to have said that it is a very strong sign that trump himself is under investigation, is under federal investigation. no matter how much the white house wants to convince us otherwise, the fact of the matter is that all signs point to mueller is really homing in on whether or not donald trump had corrupt intent when he fired fbi director james comey in may. because, of course, comey was leading the investigation into russia's interference in the election. and importantly, whether or not trump's campaign colluded with moscow. so by obtaining all of these documents from the justice department, what is happening is he is really trying to get at trump's state of mind. that is the biggest hurdle that mueller is going to have to clear if he is going to make a obstruction of justice case. >> i thought a lot in terms of what that case would look like. in the case of george papadopoulos, who has already pleaded guilty or paul manafort who has been charged, you know, they open up the federal
criminal books and they charge people with chargeable crimes. they indict them. they go through the normal process. in the case of president of the united states who you believe is guilty of obstruction of justice, presumably they're not going indict them in the courthouse. it would have to be a public finding, right? >> right. this is why ultimately the result of mueller's investigation is going to be a little matter. he is going to have to present his findings to congress because it's very murky still whether or not you can indict a sitting president. some people say yes. some people say. no but ultimately, mueller is going to have to go to congress and say we have evidence that trump acted improperly, that he acted corruptly. and these are the reasons why he should be impeach order removed, if it comes to that so ultimately, if he finds that trump did try to obstruct justice in this investigation, it is very unlikely that unless trump resign order is out of office that he would be indicted with a crime. but until then we lyle have to
see what mueller digs up. >> it speaks to the scope of this. mueller has the team that is going through these very complicated and baroque financial transactions that paul manafort's people are rung. but also making what it appears a pretty -- he would have to make a pretty sophisticated constitutional argument were he actually to come against the president. >> right. he would have to -- i mean, the rules would have to be rewritten. i don't know about the constitution, but there is a lot of legal theory throughout that argues against the idea that a sitting president can be indicted. when it comes to whether or not there was actual wrongdoing by people like paul manafort and michael flynn, of course that's much easier. and that's why he is going after them. they are very vulnerable targets as alleged moneylaundering, violations of the faro, the foreign agent reg ration act. legal experts tell me you take on when you're trying to make a case about the entire organization. he is essentially right now shooting fish in a barrel. whether or not it reaches trump himself, that remains to be seen. >> quickly, new revelations that carter page had high level
meetings in hungary, which are being looked into. it appears he did not tell the truth under questioning adam schiff. what is the significance of those meetings. >> it just solidifies carter page as someone who was clearly some kind of high level player. we don't really know what he was doing throughout the election. but ever time he makes a statement, it seems he has to walk it back. every time he says this didn't happen, as you know from doing many interviews, if you push him hard enough, he'll say well, i may have spoken to this person. the fact that he was meeting with high level hungarian officials, it's very questionable, especially given hungary's connection was the russian government there is a lot of organized crime there. there are arguments that have been made that the kremlin has its entire intelligence apparatus in hungry right now. so the fact that he was meeting with the officials before the election raise mess more questions. >> natasha bertrand, thank you
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tonight with the fate of the trump tax cuts hanging in the balance, the president and his white house are pulling out all the stops to get a bill that will raise taxes on middle class americans through congress. >> so i guess the big question is how can republicans and the white house propose a bill that would simultaneously cut taxes for the wealthiest americans
while effectively creating more of a financial burden for americans earning less than $30,000 a year? >> yeah. the bottom line is that the white house, the president is not going to sign a bill that raises taxes on the middle class, period. >> okay. but here is the nonpartisan tax policy center saying something very different. some taxpayers would pay more in taxes under the proposal in 2019 and 2025. about 9% of taxpayers in 2019, 12% in 2025. in 2027, however, taxes would increase for 50%, that's half, of taxpayers. and who would get their taxes hiked? the middle income quintile, folks right in the middle, 28% would receive a tax cut and 66% would face a tax increase. in other words, 2/3 of people in the middle of earners would see a higher tax bill. taxes up. raising your taxes. in contrast, the tax policy center notes that 98% of the top 0.1% which would be the richest of the rich would of course get a tax cut. and democrats in progressive groups are using republicans' own tax plan in an effort to win back white working class voters. here is part of an ad from one group named not one penny.
>> for middle class mainers, their plan raises taxes on people paying for student loans, medical expense and mortgages. it raises taxes on 124,000 maine families. >> coming up, filmmaker and activist michael moore on what the trump tax plan means for the middle class, and what people can do about it, next.
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so in ocho order to save these poor people 43 billion, you're cutting 364 billion. >> senator hill, if you would yield for a second. there are no cuts to medicaid in this bill. >> i beg your pardon. this is the cbo score. 179 billion in reduced medicaid subsidies. that's where the money is coming from. is there a fairy dropping it? >> educaing one of the ways tax proposal would hurt americans. michael moore, oscar winning film maker and activist just got done with the broadway show. >> she was educating him about the fairy that drops the scores. >> that was such a great moment to me because well, here is what i want to ask you. >> yes. >> we saw this incredible mogulization, people sitting in offices shutting down switchboards.
i think a lot of people who fought hard feel the same way about this tax bill. is is it harder to mobilize. how do you assess where folks are? >> it's been clear the public is opposed to it. from what i've heard members of congress, the switchboards continue to be melting down every day. people are calling. they should continue to call 202-225-3121, by the way. >> put it in your phone. >> please, put that -- it's your number. you pay for it. citizens of this country. so, so, you know, i'm not pessimistic about this. i think that, you know, the senate -- enough people worrying about reelection will do the right thing. it won't happen on it's own and people have to speak it. >> it strikes me, remarkable this bill. it hoses people.
it's weird for republicans party to come up with a 1.5 trillion dollar tax hike. there is a switch thing that's happened time and time again and i got to think if this were passed, people know how much taxes they will pay. do you think there -- this is the thing that would break a spell. >> well, i hope so. look, this should be called what it is. it's the trump tax increase. and it's not a tax cut, it's a tax increase. it's the trump tax increase, and it's -- in a way, i'm finding some pleasure in the fact that so many republicans think that this is going to help them when this is going to be the death of them next year at the ballot box. so have at it. [ laughter ] >> for now. >> you can see a lot of them are actually pretty scared of it. >> yeah. >> what do you make of -- we haven't gotten a chance to talk since the election night, which is a big night for the democratic party for a lot of people that felt disspirited.
>> i don't know if it was a big night for the democratic party. the party, the dnc didn't get behind some of the people that won. >> right. >> in fact, it was a victory for the people, for average everyday citizens that decided to run, whether it was an african refugee in month -- montana or transgender. all in these states and cities, people that didn't have the backing of the local establishment democratic party. this is is critical for us to win next year. if people are sitting around waiting for the dnc waiting for the right candidates to run, i'm worried we can't flip congress or the state houses, but if every day average americans will decide to run, and this is one of the things, i spoke to your producer before coming on here that i really wanted to say tonight is that we've got --
it's new year's day is six weeks from today. okay. we got six weeks. by the end of this year, people have got to be running or at least decide to run. what i want to have happen is for people watching this show right now sitting there thinking about why don't i run, you should run. you should run. i really -- [ laughter ] why not? i mean, what tuesday two weeks ago taught us is that people could just decide to run and get elected, especially right now because so many people are upset with what is going on. >> particularly, we should say, i think people think about flipping congress and, you know, there are state house races decided but with this special election in oklahoma in which -- >> yes. >> 20 something out lesbian won a district trump by 30 points, she won by 34 votes. there is below the congressional level, there is state, local offices --
>> which are critical. >> right. >> raising $1 million -- >> no, no, in fact, there was debra gonzalez in georgia won a seat there, state seat. she spent $55,000. the republican spent $250,000. that was a republican seat that, i believe, republican decided not to run and she won by spending one-fifth of what the republicans spent. i want to say to people, think about running. you don't need a lot of money to do this. that was proven, and you don't need -- you would be surprised to run for a state house or state senate in many states in maine and alaska and iowa and iowa you need 100 signatures to run for state senate and i think 25 for the state house. that's it. you don't need a lot. you don't -- some of these filing fees in states are $10. >> right. >> i'm serious. >> 100 signatures and $10. >> you're on the ballot.
i think over thanksgiving, what i would like people to do, you're sitting around the table. last year you had to deal with the right wing and he's happy and trump got elected. put in at the kids' table on thursday. don't bother him. let him have his turkey. everybody else will say who do we know that can run on this town? you got to run locally. if we don't flip the state houses this year and 2020 when they take the 2020 census, we're going to get gerrymandered again and we'll be stuck until 2032 so next year in 2020, we've got to get these state houses and state senates in the hands of democrats or we'll get screwed with the gerrymandering in 2020. >> what stops people -- one of the things -- >> they can't do it. who am i? i'm not smart enough. you're a citizen of this country. by the way, if you're watching this show now, you're a good person already. i mean, just -- >> i wouldn't go that far.
i would generalize -- >> i'll make this general -- if you're watching chris hayes and msnbc, automatically tells me your heart, if not is in the right place, you're curious for the truth and that's what has brought you to this channel. if you wanted something else, you would be watching "dancing with the stars" now or taking -- >> source of a running bid in your broadway show. >> yes. right now you're watching this show. so why not run? why not -- say to your partner, say to your spouse and friends, dang, i was watching chris hayes last night and i got this idea, why don't i run for state senate? because the person we have there now is not doing us good. look at the people defeated two weeks ago. >> one of the things that strikes me to vote is a, how many uncontested position there is are. >> yes. >> that goes for both parties. there are a lot of unchallenged, if you happen to live in a
democratic stronghold, there is people who probably use a challenger, you know what i mean? to make the system work. >> the nationwide average is 41% of all of those offices you go to vote are not contested. there is one name, a soviet style election. the candidate chris. right here. just vote for that one candidate. no, that's 41 -- we live in a democracy. that's why first of all, think about running because you don't have any opposition in your party, you can at least get through the primary. there is 6,000 state, house and senate seats up for election. 6,000 nationwide. all right? 1400 of them because of term limits don't have an income bent. you watch chris hayes. >> i wouldn't lead with that in the ads. michael moore --
>> i would put that on the yard sign. i watch msnbc. >> good luck. that is "all in." williams" starts now. tonight, why won't the president weigh in on roy moore? new reporting on a possible shifting strategy inside the white house on the other end of pennsylvania avenue, a new accusation emerges for senator al franken. and in the world of media, charlie rose suspended after eight women come forward accusing him of making sexual advances. and on the russia front, one republican says that robert mueller is working through the staff like pac-man and warns that it's going to be a long winter. "the 11th hour" on a monday night begins now. >> and good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 305 of the trump administration brings us a new allegation of sexual misconduct against a sitting senator and a white house that's standing