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i'm stephanie ruhle and will see you at 11:00 with my partner ali velshi and all day on twitter. now i hand you to kristen welker for more news in d.c. >> hi, stephanie. good to see you. and i'm in for hallie jackson from washington. right now, that new sexual harassment bombshell, veteran journalist charlie rose, a man usually reporting on the headlines, now at the center of them. eight women saying he made unwanted advances. cbs pulling him from the flagship morning show. his response coming in overnight. and new reaction also from roy moore, the senate candidate continuing to try to discredit his accusers while dismissing campaigns are running on fumes. and president trump calling his counterpart in syria, north korea and putin are all going to be topics.
>> and the search for the missing submarine with argentina crew on board. time is falling hout. and we had a camera rolling as we watched charlie rose enter his new york city apartment. >> how are you doing, mr. rose? do you want to say anything to your accusers, the people accusing you of all the wrongdoings? >> it is not wrongdoings. >> that's what he had to say. this morning, rose was noticeably absent from the set of "cbs this morning." but take a listen to what was said there. >> we're going to begin with news affecting all of us at this broadcast and this network. cbs news has suspended our co-host charlie rose over allegations of sexual misconduct. >> stunning developments. nbc's stephanie gosk is here with details of the new accusations. stephanie, good morning to you. >> reporter: hey, kristen. charlie rose as you know is the host of pbs's "the charlie rose"
hoe and co-host of "cbs this morning." eight women came forward to "the washington post," five of them anonymously, three named themselves, and two have confirmed their stories with nbc news. >> i'm pleased to have you at this table. >> reporter: this morning charlie rose has for now lost a seat at his own famous table. eight women tell "the washington post" the legendary news man sexually harassed them. the accusations ranging from nudity to groping and lewd calls. >> these women, in many cases, told us that they felt they had nowhere to turn. >> reporter: the women were between the ages of 21 and 37 during the alleged enup coucoun working for rose's production company that debuted on cbs and bloomberg tv. one woman describing to the post, a, quote, ritual of young women being summoned to work at
rose's apartment. once there, she says rose took a shower with the door open and began to call her name. when she ignored him, he came out in just a towel and said, didn't you hear me calling you? a male colleague who heard about the incident later commented to her, oh, you got the shower trick. kyle godfrey-ryan one of his assistants in the 2000s, requires a dozen instances where he walked new in front of her at one of his new york city homes. >> he would call and ask her details about her sex life. when she reported a good deal of this, the executive producer's reaction was to treat her like she was a dramatic little girl. >>er t e >>er. >> reporter: two women told "the post" they reported it to his long-time producer who should have done more. i should have stood up for them, she told "the post." i failed, it is crushing. i deeply regret not helping them. godfrey-rose said she was fired after telling her story to a
mutual friend. in a statement rose said in part, it is essential that these women know that i hear them and that i deeply apologize for my inappropriate behavior. i am greatly embarrassed. i have behaved insensitively at times and i accept responsible for that. though i do not believe that all of these allegations are accurate. i always felt that i was pursuing shared feelings, even though i now realize i was mistaken. since "the washington post" story broke, more women have come forward to "the new york times" and the "business insider" raising the number of accusers to 13. the reporter for the washington post said women keep getting in touch with her. sadly, my inbox is already flooded with women who have had similar, disturbing encounters with charlie rose. please reach out if you have any information to share. our reporting continues. kristen, back to you. >> we know that you will continue to track that story. stephanie gosk, thank you for that reporting. we appreciate it. and the avalanche of sexual misconduct accusations has hit
yet another lawmaker on capitol hill. this time michigan democrat john conniers, the longest serving member of the house of representatives. i want to get right to nbc's capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt tracking the movements on capitol hill. kasie, what is the latest as it relates to congressman connyers? >> reporter: what buzzfeed is reporting is that there is a woman that alleged that he asked for sexual favors, she rejected him and was fire in the wake of that. and i want to walk you through what we know and how we know some of this. nbc news has not confirmed independently the allegations that this woman made. buzzfeed said they received affidavits and documents of a settlement reached with conyers' office. it came from his office instead of from a fund that is part of the office of compliance where
the complaints are handled typically the source of the money for a settlement like this. buzzfeed said they got the documents from mike sernovich, a prominent conspiracy theorist that pushed the pizza gate scandal about comment pizza and hillary clinton. they say, buzzfeed, they verified the authenticity of the affidavits with four separate people all anonymous. we at nbc news have not done that, but we did speak to a civil rights attorney who has seen other similar non-disclosure agreements that is one of the documents that is on the table here in this buzzfeed report. and that lawyer says that it appears as to the nondisclosure agreement is an authentic document that would have been signed in a case like this. so what is important about this, the nondisclosure agreements prevent people who make these harassment claims and settle from talking to anybody about it. they can't talk to their friends, coworkers, their
spouses or therapist. and a lot of people on capitol hill are starting to say, this process is really stacked. and our producer frank thorpus reached out to democrats and republicans who said they didn't know anything about the settlement with john conyers. there's an incredible lack of transparen transparency. and we have a statement from the house speaker paul ryan. he says, quote, this report is extremely troubles. last month i directed the xheep on house administration to conduct a full review of all policies and procedures related to workplace harassment and discrimination. a committee hearing last week led to a new policy of mandatory training for all members and staff. additional reforms to the system are under consideration as the committee continues its review. people who work in the house deserve and are entitled to a workplace without harassment or discrimination. so the question here is going to be, what happens next? what are potential administrative steps that speaker ryan could take in this particular instance? i would say, he's been pretty
outfront on this issue. he's one of the younger members of congress. he and his wife jana were both congressional staffers previously. but this system, this office of compliance, was set up by a law written in 1995 by, of course, members of congress and a lot of critics are saying it is protecting them right now at the expense of accusers. >> what a great point, kasie. as we continue to track this, that will be one of the key focal points. what are the procedures by which people, congressional staffers can report these types of misbehavior? kasie hunt, thank you. and we want to underscore that congressman conyers did not admit fault as part of this settlement. allegations of sexual misconduct have dominated headlines in the alabama senate race that takes place three weeks from today. gabe gutierrez is joining us from roy moore's hometown of gadsden, alabama. gabe, good morning to you. we have been talking about the doug jones campaign ad that is pretty powerful that invokes
first daughter ivanka trump. what can you tell us about it? and what has the reaction been so far? >> caller: hi, kristen, good morning. roy moore's campaign said they raised more than a million dollars since the campaign started and that has been dwarfed by doug jones' campaign raising $250,000 a day. they are outspending the campaign by more than 11-1 margin. as you mentioned, the new ad just out features the voices of some prominent republicans. >> on roy moore's disturbing actions, ivanka trump says there's a special place in in hell for people who prey on children. and jeff sessions says, i have no reason to doubt these young women. and richard shelby says he will absolutely not vote for roy moore. conservative voices putting children and women over party, doing what's right. >> reporter: republicans there including ivanka trump and jeff sessions mention in the ad, as
for roy moore's campaign, they are firing back releasing another written statement, ignoring the allegation of the leigh corfman interview from yesterday, but instead focusing on beverly nelson, the fifth accuser that came against roy moore. in the written statement roy moore's campaign is citing several employees at the restaurant where she once worked where roy offered her a ride home and sexually assaulted her. roy moore denied all the allegations. now, in a written statement overnight, beverly nelson's attorney gloria allred said, mr. moore, will you or will you not agree to testify under oath before the u.s. senate as beverly has volunteered to do? certainly a back-and-forth between gloria allred and the moore campaign going on for several days. as for the actual campaign, kristen, doug jones has an even later on today. so far, nothing is scheduled for
later today. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you. i want to bring in my opinion panel, josh letterman is national security and foreign policy reporter for the associated press. and alana shore, congressional reporter for politico. thank you to both of you for being here on a busy news day. i want to replay the video we showed off the top that is so striking and charlie rose's first reaction on camera to the allegations against him. let's take a look and discuss on the other side. >> how are you doing, mr. rose? >> how are you? >> do you want to say anything to those accusers, the people that are accusing you of the wrongdoings? >> it is not wrongdoings. >> it is not wrongdoing. very different tone than what we heard from gayle king and norah o'donnell? what does that message send and does it muddy the effort to call out what is wrongdoing? >> and very different, also, even in the statement that charlize rose has released,
which acknowledges he did do something untorrent. what we are seeing in so many of the cases is that these people being accused of this in their minds didn't think at the time they were doing something wrong. and a lot of them described what they felt was something consensual. they thought the people they were coming on to were interested in that. and that later as this becomes public controversy, they realize that there is a power dynamic there. that even if they thought somebody was approaching them in a way that seems like they may be reciprocating, it is not fair to make the assumptions because we have the position in power over somebody. >> alana, what we are seeing are the flood gates open up, just in the past 24 hours alone. i want to remind our viewer, charlie rose, al franken, roy moore, and then we had that interview with savannah guthrie with one of moore's alleged victims. do you think we continue to see these flood gates open? or is this a moment that gets missed? >> sadly, i think we do continue
to see the flood gates open. this is a problem that both parties face on capitol hill. both parties are seriously evaluating the reform proposals to the system for a reason, because they know there's wrongdoing within their own camps. i think the real question, honestly, is how it affects the president's agenda and progress in washington, because right now this is a huge distraction from the tax bill. we are not even talking about the major legislation. we are so focused, and perhaps rightly so, on this issue. >> well, one of the things striking is when you listen to kasie hunt's report, she talked to josh about how tough it is for congressional staffers to report this type of abuse. we know how slow it is for congress to get legislation passed. do you anticipate that this timeline is going to move more quickly because there is so much pressure, because members of congress are now being called out and are a part of this? >> i think it will. and one of the things we see in so many of the cases is so many people around them say, gosh, i had no idea, i worked with this colleague for 20 years and never
have seen anything inappropriate like that. and then you realize, there is this cultural of secrecy built up. people afraid to come forward. and now that the dam has broken, i think we're going to see action taken a lot more quickly because the public pressure is now there. >> one of the things that i thought was so powerful this morning was to actually hear from norah o'donnell and gayle king. i want to play more of their reaction to charlie rose and get your reaction on the other side. >> let me be clear, there's no excuse for this alleged behavior. it is systematic and pervasive. >> charlie does not get a pass here. he doesn't get a pass from anyone in the room. we are all deeply affected and all rocked by this. >> it seems like no one is getting a pass. that is what has changed about this moment. do you see it that way? >> absolutely. i mean, speaking from politico, our editor in chief made a similar strong statement about the allegations against mr. thrush, a former politico employee. that is very importantly, particularly when it is females in positions of power making
these kinds of statements. >> josh, the importance of sort of everyone coming to the table and talking about it, some of the people who have been accused, talk about glenn thrush, have acknowledged, look, i made some mistakes and need to change my behavior. how important is that to this conversation that some of these men who have been accused come to the table as a part of the solution of what needs to change in our society? >> i think that's a huge part of this. for both sides to come together and say, how are we going to figure out a way to deal with this that doesn't jump to conclusions but also is rigorous and examines our own behavior and figuring out where they may be things people are unaware they are doing or have gotten away with for so long. >> alana, quickly, before we go, in alabama we are seeing a very different reaction to this. roy moore supporters rally around him. steve bannon, that branch of the party, rallying behind him. the white house, not even changing its tone, i should say, trying to have it both ways.
kellyanne conway yesterday said we can't have a democrat in the office. are the roy moore supporters trying to have it both ways? >> frankly, they are. and it goes back to the tax bill that we have stopped talking about. that's why they can't disenvow roy moore. that's one less vote and could make the difference between passing the bill and not. >> stick around, we have a lot more to discuss in this hour. interesting timing for today's phone call between president trump and vladimir putin. it's happening a day after putin met with one of the world's most notorious dictators. we are live at the white house and that is coming up next. any object. any surface.
white house officials tell nbc news this morning that president trump and russian president vladimir putin will speak on the phone today about the future of syria, following a rare meeting between putin and bashar al assad talking about peace talks about russia and iran. this morning north korea is sharply criticizing president trump following his naming the
rogue nation a state sponsor of terrorism. here's rex tillerson on that. >> this just continues to tighten the pressure on the kim regime all with an intention to have him understand, this is only going to get worse until you're ready to come and talk. >> nbc's peter alexander is at the white house. hi, peter. we'll start with the call between president putin and president trump. what are we expecting? set the stakes for us. >> reporter: that call ongoing right now or perhaps already over the white house officials tell me. the call began a half hour ago following the important meeting taking place between vladimir putin and bashar al assad. the first time the two leaders have met since they began to back assad two years ago. during that meeting in sochi, one was sealed with a hug and the two men exchanged praise. putin is praised for fighting isis. the kremlin says the call with president trump today will largely focus on syria future
where the u.s. and russia obviously have clashed for years. they're likely to be speaking about the peace proposal that the two countries signed off on when president trump and putin recently met ten days ago or so in vietnam. with the bloody civil war there appearing to wind down, the kremlin is pressing for a political settlement to cement assad's hold on power. the u.n. ambassador nikki haley, rex tim tillerson, the secretar state, focused that they are not going to push assad out of power. and that should be determined by the people of syria. that is notable because that stance directly opposed the obama administration's view and that of european allies who wanted assad to step down. that call is underway right now or now finished. as soon as we hear about it, we'll get a greater read-out from the white house on the details. further, about those new sanctions expected on north korea where as you just played that sound bite from rex tillerson, we heard from the president officially designating
north korea a state sponsor of terrorism. we do expect to hear from the treasury department over the course of this day with tougher new sanctions being rolled out. we should also note the north korea propaganda machine overnight fired up another attack on president trump, calling his recent remarks in the region, going after him for those comments. they called him an old lunatic, a human reject. today, again, we'll hear from the treasury department going forward. part of what tillerson describes as a peaceful pressure campaign. kristen? >> peter alexander covering all of the angles at the white house. thank you so much for that report. appreciate it. good to see you. joining us here onset is michael fukes, former deputy assistant of state for senior affairs and senior fellow for progress. michael, thank you for being here. >> my pleasure. >> we expect the treasury department to announce new sanctions today. and the one question i have with new sanctions that comes against
the backdrop of the president designating north korea as a state sponsor of terror, but what does that mean? and why are the sanctions going to have an impact when frankly other sanctions have failed? >> well, i think when looking at this designation, we have to take a step back and look at the strategic context rights now. fundamentally, this is a strategic decision to designate north korea as a state sponsor of terror. we are in a dangerous situation with north korea. north korea is racing to get the capability to launch an inter n intercontinental ballistic missile. what the state sponsored disease ugh nati designation does is give us more too tools. frankly, this is a symbolic act that unfortunately is going to make diplomacy more difficult. >> it's the diplomacy more difficult. are there going to be any teeth to the new sanctions?
rex tillerson pushed back against the notion symbolic, but there are incremental steps we'll see. are there teeth to this new move, these sanctions? >> well, we'll see what sanctions specifically they unveil today. there are a wide range of sanctions that the trump administration has authority to level against pyongyang right now, which could do serious damage. that is separate from the designation of the state sponsor of terror that doesn't give them new authority to do additional sanctions than we already have. >> i want to follow-up with you on the place where i started with peter, talking about the phone call, now underway between president trump and russia's president vladimir putin. a real shift, not only within this administration, but president trump within his first few months of office launched air strikes in syria for its use of chemical weapons. the obama administration said assad has to go. now they are talking about a future for syria where assad
stakes, why the shift? >> in some cases in statements and talking points, the united states is saying the right things, but in practice we have dropped the condition that assad must go. if you look at the events in syria this week right now, it is quite a stark contrast. we see the leaders of turkey and syria and iran meeting to talk about the future of turkey, russia and syria, turkey, russia and iran. and we see the meeting of the opposition groups. nowhere is the united states to be found leading this conversation. >> that's a great point. and josh, just set the stage in terms of whenever president trump and president putin speak, whether in person or over the phone, a lot of issues at stake including russia's meddling. there's a lot that goes with it when he speaks with putin. >> a huge amount and ton of intrigue. probably not a whole lot new on the russian meddling in the election given that the president said he's already inclined to believe putin's disputes about that. but look, the u.s. and russia
have basically been in a proxy battle for years in syria. but it's been obscured because there was a fight against the islamic state and both sides were at least, you know, saying they were fighting isis in both moving in the same direction. now that that is off the table, it is illustrated how much leverage the u.s. has lost in syria, how much power russia has over the future of syria and that may be one of the reasons we are seeing less talk about assad having to go. >> i vanna, what are you looking for the call? >> i will be looking at this as they wrap up the probes. and this could throw a huge wrench in that. >> stick around, we have a lot more to discuss. this morning they are tightening rules for the deadly earthquake with 60,000 refugees losing their protected status. when that will happen and the fallout from ending this policy? pete williams is here to break
we are back now with a look at the morning headlines. charlie rose now suspended after eight women accused him of sexual harassment in unwanted advances in a "washington post" report. the claims against rose co-host of "cbs this morning" and host of pbs'" charlie rose show" include lewd phone calls and walking around naked according
to two of the accusers who confirmed their accounts to nbc news. rose in a statement posted to twitter apologized for his actions saying, i always felt that i was pursuing shared feeling, even though i now realize i was mistaken. angela merkel saying another election may be necessary after coalition talks stalled now putting her fourth term in jeopardy. merkel, determined leader since 2005, was skeptical about leading a minority government. germany hasn't had a majority government since world war ii. and donald trump's charitable foundation that last year admitted to violating rules on self-dealing is shutting down. the move fulfills a promise mr. trump made last december in order to avoid conflicts of interest. a spokesperson for the new york attorney general's office tells nbc news the foundation can't close yet because it's currently under investigation. and this morning the trump administration is tightening its immigration policy as nearly 60,000 haitians who fled earthquake devastation in 2010 are learning their protected
status is set to end july 2019. homeland security says the extraordinary conditions that prevented haitians from returning home no longer exists. it's a claim that's been disputed by those on both sides of the aisle. nbc news justice correspondent pete williams is following that story. and news that a federal court permanently blocked an order in regard to sanctuary cities. but pete, i want to talk to you about this latest news, break that down for us. >> reporter: when he was homeland security john kelly said they were likely to do this and now they have done it. dhs has put out this statement from elaine duke on how things have improved, since the earthquake seven years ago, the number of displaced people in haiti is down 97%. significant steps have been taken to improve the stability and quality of life for haitian citizens and haiti is able to safely receive return of traditional citizens.
this has been a hallmark of the trump administration. the whole point of the reason the haitians were allowed in the temporary protected status, and it was sbentdintended to be tem until conditions improved. the haitians should be ready to go back and be there by july 2019. earlier this year, kelly basically said, get ready, this is going to happen. >> something the white house has certainly been signaling. pete, i want to get you to talk about something else in the headlines today, which is that back in january when the president signed that travel ban into effect with no warning, the move prompted some chaos that led to violations of court orders. what can you tell us about that? that is getting renewed scrutiny today as well. >> well, the inspector gent is looking into this and has said in members to congress that it finished this in october. but it is still being reviewed by dhs and the inspector general said he's concerned this is a slow role.
but in the letter, not surprisingly, it basically confirms a lot of what was said at the time. the agencies that put this into effect, the people at the airports and port of entry had no heads-up this was going to happen and had to roll with the punches with this going into effect with the chaos early on. but in the main, the border patrol agents, the frontline people acted very humanely. there were instances where court orders were violated simply because of misunderstanding, the ig says. so the basics of conclusion have been sent to members of congress. and frankly, not a lot of surprises there. >> pete, busy day on your beat because there's news regarding sanctuary cities. a federal judge saying that the trump administration can't block funding to sanctuary cities just because they may disagree with their immigration policies there. what is the latest in that regard? >> well, this same judge had issued a preliminary version of this ruling in april. so this action late yesterday doesn't change anything.
back in april he -- issued a temporary injunction, now a permanent injunction, but since april the government has been blocked from putting this into effect. the judge basically says that the -- it's a violence of the constitution, the government can't after congress appropriated the funds for these cities, can't now impose new restrictions on those funds. that was the basis of his ruling. this clears the way for the administration to appeal it, which undoubtedly it will. >> pete williams, thank you for breaking down all the different headlines for us. really appreciate it. >> you bet. and now i want to bring back josh letterman, national security and foreign policy reporter for "the associated press" and alana shore, the congressional reporter for politico. we are seeing the backlash to those from haiti that they can no longer stay here. this was ileana ros-lehtinen who
said, i traveled to haiti after the earthquake in 2010 and after hurricane matthew in 2016. so i can personally attest that haiti is not prepared to take back nearly 60,000 haitians urn these difficult and harsh conditions. you have lawmakers saying that haiti is not prepared to take these people back. >> this is an issue where president trump is more likely to get criticized more quickly because there's already a perception that he doesn't want to let in immigrants, particularly from latin america, and that he's hostile to immigration more broadly. as he was saying, this is also designed to be a temporary thing. it's not envisioned that people will stay in the country under this specific temporary status program for years and years. and we saw similar backlash a few weeks ago with a similar move to end this related to honduras. >> and alana, nearly 200,000 people are here from el salvador, which josh brings up. what are the chances that this is a testing ground, that the white house and administration is trying to see how much backlash they get before blocking people who were here
from other countries like el salve dor? >> it is quite likely this is a testing ground. however, they should keep an eye on daca, the program for youngen documented immigrants that they are trying to get a legislative fix from. and they will need votes from people like ileana. so this could blow-back in that respect. >> the blow-back at the ballot box. to what extent is this administration concerned that in 2018 or 2020 this comes back to bite them? >> i mean, it is safe to say it will in florida with a potentially senate competitive race. >> and the sanctuary cities issue, this was a cornerstone of president trump saying, i'm getting tougher on immigration. i'm not going to be president obama. i'm going to be the president who cracks down. and he keeps getting blocked in the courts and the sanctuary cities order from the federal judges, this is yet another example of that. does this undercut his stated goal? >> it undercuts from a policy perspective, but it gets overtaken by the politics of this, that both sides, the republicans want to show we are
enforcing the law, we are tough on crime, we're not putting up with this. and for democrats and especially democratic mayors in a lot of these big cities that are sanctuary cities, the democratic mayors with the high aspirations for public office at some point in time, a real rallying cry for liberals to say, we are not going to let this administration crack down this way. >> and elana, the travel ban yet again being scrutinized. >> absolutely. this is one that lawmakers again in both parties want to conduct vigorous oversight on, particularly with the ig report coming out on this. >> josh and elana, another great conversation. thanks, guys. stay with us. the justice department is stepping in to prevent a major business merger. at&t and time warner are facing an uncertain future. why the doj says it has nothing to do with one of the president's favorite punch bags, cnn. all that is next, stay with us. (avo) when you have type 2 diabetes, you manage your a1c,
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the u.s. justice department is suing at&t and time warner over the $85 billion bid from at&t to acquire time warner. the doj says the deal should be blocked because a new mega company would slow growth for online distributors, drive up prices for subscription tv and curb innovation. president trump is no fan of the merger. here's what he said on the campaign trail last october.
>> as an example of the power structure i'm fighting, at&t is buying time warner and thus cnn, a deal we will not approve in my administration because it's too much concentration of power in the hands of to few. >> all right. we'll break all this down now with rick newman, finance columnist for yahoo!. and my panel is still here, josh and elana, onset with me. rick, i want to start with you, why should people at home and everyone has cable, but why should people care about this deal? >> well, the justice department is saying it would give at&t the ability to charge more to competitors such as comcast or spectrum or verizon or other cable providers for the programming that it would own, and that would include mostly hbo, cnn and other turner stations such as tbs, the atlanta station. that's in theory. there are a lot of questions
about whether that would actually happen. you just said everybody has cable. actually, fewer and fewer people have cable these days because of the cutting phenomenon. a lot of people say it is too expensive and now i can get one-off services like netflix or hulu. so that is sort of the context for this deal. and i think it is a fairly strong argument against what the justice department is saying, that at&t wouldn't necessarily have the power to just charge whatever it wants for hbo or some of the other properties. because look, you can get hbo on your own. you can sign up for online hbo without having to deal with the cable provider. so kind of a head scratcher, honestly. >> rick, let me just read what the doj and at&t are saying so folks can see that. doj says, american consumers have few options for traditional subscription television for the nearly 100 million american households that pay a monthly bill to traditional video distributors. this means paying higher prices year after year and waiting on hol to hear why their monthly bill has skyrocketed.
let me switch now to at&t in its response, a radical and inexplicable departure from decades of antitrust precedent. vertical measures like this one are routinely approved because they benefit consumers without removing a except for from the market. we see no legitimate reason for our merger to be treated differently. rick, in fairness, we do have big mergers, msnbc, nbc, comcast, certainly a part of one of those. do you think we're going to see fewer mergers, though? and why is that? >> yeah, that's a great question. the trump administration very friendly to business in some ways, in this instance, this is not friendly to business. so the question any business is considering a merger is asking, is this a one-off? does trump really -- is this really sort of politically motivated because of cnn's role in this or some other thing? is this like going to be a one-off? or will the trump administration actually look more harshly on
merges like this than the obama administration did. the nbc comcast merger you talked about, the obama administration approved that in 2011. that was similar to what at&t is trying to do here. so it is puzzling what exactly is behind the justice department's thinking here. >> elana, pick up on that point, which so many people are focused on today. you heard then candidate trump on the campaign trail saying i'm opposed to this. steve bannon is someone very opposed to these types of big mergers. so we know this is a part of the populist energy that fueled his campaign. to what extent will this be seen through a political lens? >> that's a great point because i'm not sure that this is not all about, you know, populism and the nationalism that he ran on. criticizing cnn is one thing, but the trump on the trail was against business consolidation and about the little guy in rhetoric. and now we're seeing him attempt to apply that to his actual regulatory decisions. >> josh, what is your take and will there be any blow-back for
this? as we have been saying, look, plenty of big mergers were approved before this. does this look like a direct hit against cnn, for example, which president trump has openly feuded with? >> it looks because the president has been so public with it. we see this happening over and over again with the president where public comments he makes related to some type of legal decision or case gets then dragged into it and makes it harder to tell whether it is objective. we saw it with the bowe bergdahl case and the muslim ban that was used in court. absent those comments from the president about cnn, weapon wouldn't necessarily have reason to think that this was about something other than an anti trust decision. >> all right. josh and elana, thank you. rich newman, fantastic insights, thank you so much. really appreciate it. and time is running out to find a submarine missing in the middle of the south atlantic ocean. officials in argentina say 44 crew members were on board. the effort to find them before it's too late. that's next.
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the lives of 44 crew members on board a missing argentinian submarine is a race against time. there's only enough oxygen on the sub for the crew to survive seven days under water and six days have already passed since the vessel went missing on winds in the south atlantic. keir simmons is following the story and joins me now from london. whap is the latest on this frantic search? >> well, kristen, we had hoped that there were signs of the
crew, that there were sounds from the ocean that had been detected by an argentine rescue ship of perhaps knocking on the hull. that now appears not to be the case. so for the loved ones of the crew, it is now an anxious wait. as you mentioned, if by some miracle the submarine has managed to get to the surface, then they do have a months' worth of supplies to survive. but if it is likely it is stricken below the surface, then there may only be a day or so before the oxygen runs out. >> reporter: disappointment this morning almost a week since the submarine disappeared. a sound from the ocean detected by rescuers thought to be members of the 44-person crew banging on the hull is likely not coming from the vessel, or j argentine authorities now say. a setback in nearly seven days. >> seven days is probably close to the end of realistic hope.
there's always hope for extraordinary or miraculous circumstances. perhaps there could be two or three additional days. but there's not a whole lot of time left. >> reporter: the rescue efforts intensifying. in the air. including the u.s. navy sophisticated poseidon aircraft. technology used in the hunt for missing flight mh-370. and below the ocean. american sailors set to deploy unmanned underwater vehicles capable of diving to 5,000 feet for 30 hours. the submarine was last heard from on wednesday. so what could have happened? it reported a short circuit in its batteries. but it could have been overcome by bad weather or faced a catastrophic accident. is it in shape to survive this long? it was built in the mid-1980s but refitted five years ago and can withstand depths of up to a third of a mile. still, rough seas are hampering the search. >> the seas out there right now are going to be about 24 or more
feet high. that's going to make it pretty much almost impossible even if we do locate them twob get the submarine rescue vehicles off another ship and down to find them. >> reporter: this morning social media filled with the faces of the missing. as the crew members' loved ones gather at the submarine's base hoping for any news. but fearing the worst. and the mother of one crew member says that he was recently married. there are now 200 family members gathered at that base, kristen. and all they can do is just wait. >> keir, it is so tragic as time runs out. thank you so much for bringing us up-to-date on the search for those crew members in that submarine. really appreciate it. and we will be right back with today's big picture. oor be) you're drew brees?! i'm sorry to bother you, but my car broke down and i'd really appreciate a ride to the stadium. yes! ...but, no, i have to stay here and wait for a package. i thought anybody who rooted for me
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and now for today's big picture, we're staying right here in washington for one of the white house's annual traditions. one of my favorite traditions at the white house. you're looking at wish bone and drumstick looking very comfortable in a d.c. hotel. these birds are here from western minnesota. they're, of course, here before president trump pardons them. that's going to happen later on today. the turkey pardon was formally started by george h.w. bush in 1989. the photographer here for the white house via the associated
press. they look cozy. i've attended about six and it's a great event. i'm heading over to the white house now for that. thanks so much for watching this hour of "msnbc live." right now more news with my colleagues stephanie ruhle and ali velshi. are you guys excited for the pardon? >> i am. i feel like the turkeys are like fish out of water in a hotel room. >> i also feel maybe they're getting pardoned but their friends, neighbors, brothers, sisters are all getting cooked. >> true. but they're probably cozy on those beds. >> that's probably true. see you later at the turkey pardoning. >> and what's inside the pillows, isn't that weird? >> like it feels like a relative? >> kind of. >> i'm stephanie ruhle. >> i'm ali velshi. let's get started. >> this will be investigated. this has to end. this behavior is wrong. period. >> veteran journal is charlie rose is now facing accusations from over a dozen women on
allegations of misconduct. >> eight women tell "the washington post" the legendary news man sexually harassed them. >> lewd phone calls, groping, and rose walking around naked in front of the women. >> he would call her and describe his sexual fantasies, ask her details about her sex life. >> i deeply apologize for my inappropriate behavior. i am greatly embarrassed. >> this is interesting this is a female manager whose name is brought up in this. >> takes a lot of courage for these women to come forward. >> what do you say when someone you deeply care about has done something that is so horrible? how do you wrap your brain around that? i'm grappling with that. >> ultimately this tax bill, get this, will increase taxes on 50% of americans. >> we're going to give the american people a huge tax cut for christmas. hopefully that will be a great, big, beautiful christmas present. >> the j