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had fired its morning anchor charlie rose. eight women associated with his talk show tell "the washington post" that as recently as 2011, rose made unwanted sexual advances towards them. those allegations include lewd phone calls, walking naked in their presence and groping. two of the accusers have repeated their allegations to nbc news. bloomberg and pbs have pulled his talk show off the air. reports and analysis now. nbc's stephanie goff is with me. a little bit more on the rose allegations. again, cbs acting fairly quickly here to terminate him. >> they are, you know, they are firing him today, but keep in mind, less than 24 hours ago, they were only just suspending him. this story couldn't have come as a surprise for cbs news and "the washington post" yesterday. you have to ask the question what changed from yesterday to today, but today we have a statement from the president of
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the cbs news, david rose, and he says in part, despite charlie's important journalistic contribution to our news division, there is absolutely nothing more important in this or any organization than ensurring a safe professional workplace, a supportive environment where people feel they can do their best work. we need to be such a place. craig, we also have triggered from this article that blew up yesterday, there are new accusers that are coming forward in both "the new york times" as well as business insider. we also have amy briton, one of the reporters of this story, tweeting out she is getting more accusers reaching out to her and her reporting on this story has not stopped. >> what's charlie rose saying about all of this, if anything? >> so he has not responded yet to the firing which really just happened but we do have his state after this article was printed and he wrote, in part, i deeply apologize for my inappropriate behavior. also, i have behaved insensitively at times and i accept responsibility for that.
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though i do not believe all of these allegations are accurate. i always felt that i was pursuing shared feelings, even though i now realize it was mistaken. i'd like you to take that statement and put it up against the comments he made when he was tracked down on the street in new york city just last night. take a listen. >> how you doing, mr. rose? >> how are you? >> do you want to say anything to those accusers who's accusing you? >> what do i? >> do you want to say anything to those accusers who's accusing you of all these wrongdoingins? >> he says "it's not wrongdoings." that is a defiant statement for sure, especially when you look at his original statement which seemed at least in part more contrite, so does raise some questions. >> there's also a female producer who has become involved in this story to a certain degree. her name is yvette vega. who is she and how is she relevant to the story?
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>> yvette vega is his longtime producer. she worked with him for over a decades. two of the women who spoke to "the washington post" actually say that they went to her with their issues with charlie rose and that she did nothing about it. now, yvette vega has come forward and said, i am sorry that i did not stand up for them and she said in a statement, i should have stood up for them. i failed. it is crushing. i deeply regret not helping them. you know, craig, in these sexual harassment stories, the other part, the other prong in the story has been this question of complicit complicity. were these people around these men and women that were complicit, that basically knew it was happening and didn't do anything about it. yvette vega in some ways standing up and saying, you know what, i was one of those people. >> we continue to follow this part of the story. ruth marcus is a "washington post" columnist. gabe, let me start with you.
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stephanie gosk asks an important question, clearly something changed between yesterday when charlie rose was suspended, and less than an hour ago. any idea what may have changed? >> well, clearly cbs was in an untenable position. this article was devastating for charlie rose. i think the backlash we saw last night on social media and the sort of outpouring, the idea there were a lot more accusers ready to come forward, as we just learned, that i think cbs decided that they needed to rip the band-aid off quickly and just cut ties, that dragging this out would do nothing but damage the brand. >> another snippet here from the statement from david rhodes, again, the president of cbs news. he wrote, in part, i've often heard that things used to be different. and no one may be able to correct the past. but what may once have been accepted should not ever have been acceptable. the speed with which news organizations now seem to be
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trying to get out in front of allegations seems to be increasing. is that safe to say? is that how you see it as well? >> without question, you don't want to rewind back to 2004 when bill o'reilly had been sued for sexual harassment by a producer. not only did fox news at the time stand by bill o'reilly but the public relations department initiated a smear campaign against the accuser in the new york city tabloids, leaking dirt, sending private investigators to dig up dirt. they went on the offensive. in this case now, thankfully, we're in a culture where when allegations are made, news organizations are taking them seriously. and in some case, not all cases, some cases, the alleged perpetrator is dismissed. >> let us pause for a moment and go to the white house. president trump flanked by the first lady and also his son baron has decided to join for the annual pardoning of turkeys. >> a very happy and blessed thanksgiving. and i hear that beautiful turkey. we are here today to continue a
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wonderful american tradition. today in the spirit of thanksgiving, i will grant a presidential pardon to a turkey. i'm especially pleased that we're joined for this great occasion by carl wittenberg, chairman of the national turkey federation. along with his wife charlene and sons nate and wyatt. it was 70 years ago that the national turkey federation first presented the national thanksgiving turkey to president harry truman who, i might add, did not grant the pardon, he refused. he was a tough cookie. today, i'm going to be a much nicer president. over the past ten months, mill lawn melania and i have welcomedvisi
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house. world leaders, members of congress and, along the way, a few very strange birds. but we have yet to receive any visitors quite like our magnificent guests of honor today, drumstick. hi drumstick. oh, drumstick i think is going to be very happy. i'm pleased to report that, unlike millions of other turkeys at this time of the year, drumstick has a very, very bright future ahead of him. drumstick was raised on carl and charlene's turkey farm in douglas county, minnesota, with the help of five young women from the douglas county 4-h chapter who are here with us today. and i want to say great work. where are they? please stand. great job you've done. [ applause ] 4-h. that's great. thank you.
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upon being pardoned, drumstick and his friend, wish bone, will live out their days at gobbler's rest, beautiful place. it's custom built. it's an enclosure on the campus of virginia tech. tremendous school. there they'll join tater and tot, the two turkeys pardoned last year by president obama. as many of you know, i have been very active in overturning a number of executive actions by my predecessor. however, i have been informed by the white house counsel's office that tater and tot's pardons cannot, under any circumstances, be revoked. so we're not going to revoke them. so tater and tot, you can rest easy. i'd also like to thank the national turkey federation for bringing along two other turkeys
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from jandel's turkey farm in orfield, pennsylvania, the great state of pennsylvania. we're donating these turkeys to martha's table, a truly fantastic charity, right here in washington, d.c., which provides warm meals to people in need. they do a fantastic job. of about before we get to the pardon, i would like to take a moment to extend our very heartfelt special message, thanks, thanks, folks, to the finest and bravest people in the entire world, our great men and women in uniform, the military, law enforcement, first responders. these are incredible people. so thank you. many of you are always -- and you know, your loved ones, you're far away, and you spent so much time away, this thanksgiving, i want each of you to know that we're forever
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grateful for the incredible job and for the incredible sacrifices that you and your families make and in defense of our nation, our freedom and our truly great american flag. i'd also like to express my thanks to the wonderful citizens of our country, the people who care for our communities, raise america's children, uphold our laws and our values and make this amazing land into our national home. as we gather together with our families on thanksgiving and give thanks for our many blessings, we are reminded of the national family to which we all belong as citizens of this incredible country. this thursday as we give thanks for our cherished loved ones, let us also renew our bonds of trust, loyalty and affection between our fellow citizens as members of a proud national
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family of americans and now i think drumstick and wish bone would be very thankful if we would just get around to the pard pardon. they say enough talk, please pardon us. so i want to thank everybody for being here today and wish everybody a very, very happy thanksgiving. very special people. a very special country. thank you very much. thank you. [ applause ] >> and there you have it, the annual thanksgiving turkey pardoning happening there at the white house. the president walking out, saying hello to drumstick and drumstick joined there by wishbone. these turkeys are part of a presidential flock in alexandria, minnesota. all right, you heard the president spend some time there
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talking about the future of these turkeys. they are going to be going to gobbler's rest. let's listen in. >> thank you very much, everybody, thank you. >> all right. we were listening to see if the president, who's been known to take questions in odd situations, but i don't think we're going to get a question here. also, first lady melania trump joined by their 11-year-old son baron. we also saw several others there pictured. we saw his daughter ivanka and her husband jared kushner, also of course senior adviser. drumstick has been pardoned. so has wishbone. they'll spend their remaining
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days at gobbler's rest. gobbler's rest is on virginia tech's campus. one of our star producers informed me in the morning meeting these turkeys go to virginia tech because they're not smart enough to go to virginia. he went to uva, it's a joke. so i think that's all we need to get there at the white house. we're not going to get any questions there. president trump heading back inside. let us get back to the topic at hand here. also, in washington, d.c., today, another high-profile case of alleged sexual misconduct. democrat john conyers of michigan, a 27-term congressman and founder of the congressional black caucus, today, he told the associated press he denies allegations published in buzz feed. buzz feed citing four signed affidavits from former staffers alleging repeated inappropriate sexual contact by conyers. buzz feed reports one former staffer settled for $27,000, though conyers did not admit
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fault. it should be noted that nbc news has not seen or verified any of these doubts. nbc news capitol hill correspondent kacie hunt is in washington. covering this story. i understand we just got a comment from conyers on the ap story as well as the one in buzz feed. what is the congressman saying? >> well, craig, i think that the most important piece of this statement here is that he does acknowledge that there was a settlement around sexual harassment allegations. i'm going to read you his whole statement here. there is a statement first about the associated press report. they knocked on his door this morning. he came out and denied the allegations, said he didn't remember any of it. they said, quote, the associated press made an unannounced visit to the home of congressman conniers this morning. congressman congressiers was under the impression the reporter was speaking of recent allegations which he was unaware of and denied. they thought this reporter was asking about so many more recent association.
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however, they did go on and his office commented about that buzzfeed report. one thing i wanted to make clear, craig, too, one of the things we have been working to try to report out here at nbc news was the source of these documents and affidavits. they came and buzzfeed was transparent about this, they came from mike sernovich who is a pro-trump activist and they say they verified the documents by talking to four of the people who were involved. conyers says of the buzz feed report, quote, i expressly and vehemently denied the allegations made against me and continue to do so. my office resolved the allegations with an express denial of liability in order to save all involved from the rigors of protracted litigation. that should not be lost in the narrative. the resolution was not for millions of dollars but rather for an amount that equated to a reasonable severance payment. there are statutory requirements of confidentiality that apply to both the employee and me regarding this matter. to the extent the house determines to look further at these issues, i will further
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cooperate with the investigation. so there he's suggesting that both he and the employees involved are subject to confidentiality, that seemingly sending a message to his accuser in this instance. i think that the important thing to remember and to take away from the statement, craig, is that conyers is expressly confirming that this settlement was made. he's also saying that the allegations contained in those affidavits were not true at the time and his -- the settlement itself did not -- he did not admit liability. >> yeah. >> but, again, this is shedding light on a process in -- on capitol hill that is very difficult for accusers. right now it's handled through a small office called the office of compliance. most of these staffers don't even know that it exists. they take their complaints there. and they're put through a process that requires them to stay silent if they do want to settle with the member. they are typically required to sign a nondisclosure agreement. we saw an unsigned copy of the
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nda that buzzfeed reports was the one applicable in this case that prevents the employee from talking to anybody, from talking to their spouse, to their friends, even to their therapist, as well as to the house ethics committee. that is the question next i think. there are several democrats already calling for an ethics committee investigation. this agreement prohibits the accuser from talking to the ethics committee. under the law. so very, very tricky situation with new light being shed on it today. >> want to go back to the first part of that statement you read. do we know of more recent allegations against the congressman? >> we are unaware of any recent allegations against the congressman, craig, so, you know, he's essentially saying i was an uni where that anything like that was going on. it is -- i found it to be framing that i think requires follow up questions. >> yes, i would concur. kacie hunt there for us on capitol hill. i want to bring in ruth marcus.
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ruth of course "washington post" columnist and, ruth, you wrote something that caught our attention here. and you were talking about, again, somewhat difficult to keep track here. but you were actually writing about al franken and you wrote in your column today, quote, one risk now evident with the case of senator al franken is overcompensating for earlier apathy. not all crimes deserve the death penalty. the clamor for franken's head is at best premature. i was a little surprised to read that from you, ruth, admittedly. where do we draw the line? >> well, i think that that's the question we're all grappling with. i wrote that column on friday. that was before the new
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allegations involving his alleged conduct in congress, when he was talking the photo at the minnesota state fair, that instead of putting his hand around somebody's shoulder or waist, he actually held their rear end. and that's, look, that's inappropriate and troubling for two reasons. if it's a lot different than what you do as a member of the united states senator. i'm not in any way minimizing the inappropriateness of franken's behavior on the uso tour. second, and we've learned over time if somebody engages in bad behavior, often, and more often than not, it's not just one time. so i'm still not ready to completely pronounce sentence, but i am really troubled by
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immature and inappropriate conduct, you know, unwanted touching in office, and i am troubled by another allegation. i still think we're watching a revolution in real time here, revolution in our understanding of the appropriateness and excessiveness of bad behavior in the workplace. we just need to slow down a little bit to do some fact finding before we pronounce sentence and to figure out what sentence is appropriate and, as i said, it just can't be the death penalty or its workplace equivalent across the board. >> ruth marcus, thank you. gabe sherman, thank you as well. the avalanche of sexual misconduct allegations continues to widen. i'm going to talk to the founder of the me too movement about how this watershed movement continues to grow. president trump also talking
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president trump and russian president putin spoke by phone about the future of syria this morning. their contact follows increased pressure in the investigations into the trump campaign's ties to russia. for more, i'm joined by ashley parker, white house correspondent for "the washington post." she's also an msnbc political analyst. so it would appear to a lot of folks that president putin is taking the lead here, meeting with syria's president bashar al assad yesterday, briefing the president today. is there a sense that the west wing is ceding control of these negotiations to russia? >> i think the west wing would disagree with that assessment. president trump has repeatedly said much to the consternation of even some of his own national security folks that he wants to have a good relationship with russia and he said, you know, if we can maybe get past this election meddling, we could work on issues like syria so in a weird way this is sort of in line with what the president has been publicly arguing for. >> you co-wrote an article for
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"the post" this week, it was titled, "a long winter." in it, you outlined how white house aides are divided over the scope, over the risks of the russia probe. get the sense that is a white house that appeared torn between dismissing mueller's investigation out of hand and worrying about potential indictments. is that a fair assessment? >> that's absolutely a fair assessment. what was interesting to me is there's a number of people in the west wing who believe the reassurances of ty cobb, who is the lawyer in the white house handling this who said it was going to be over by thanksgiving, the probe. he's re-adjusted his time line to the end of the year. ty tells us it will be fine, we did nothing wrong, we're putting our heads down and we're coming to work. there's a number of other people including in the president's close circle who say this thing is just getting started, it's an opening salvo, not something that's wrapping up and everyone should be very, very concerned. >> you also wrote about this notion that there are some close to the president who think these people think that perhaps his
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legal team isn't up to the task of defending him. >> yes, so the closest person to that, who we name in the article, is steve bannon who has griped to friends privately that he thinks ty cobb is up for the job and my understanding is he's communicated that in phone calls directly to the president, although he may have fallen short from urging the president to fire an ty cobb. all indicates, indications we have is president trump is sticking with ty cobb, he trusts his legal team and that's not changing. >> the humor shared among white house staffers about how they start the day many of them, what do they say to each other? >> good morning, are you wearing a wire. and again, i should explain no one i don't think actually believes anyone is wearing a wire or they certainly hope not but it is sort of an indication of the human they're arises in a situation like this. >> ashley parker, thanks. ordered out. the trump administration ending
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its temporary residency status for victims of haiti's earthquake. why? what happens to them next? and why group of immigrants could be next? also ahead, border mystery. questions remain about what the fbi is calling a tragic incident in texas. it left one border patrol agent dead, another one in serious condition. authorities are set to update their investigation this afternoon. i
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the trump administration is giving nearly 60,000 haitian refugees 18 months to either live the country, face deportation or apply for a different status. this of the refugees were originally granted provisional legal authority here in this country after a 2010 earthquake devastated much of the island. now conditions in haiti have apparently improved so much that the nation can now safely receive its citizens. msnbc's mariana ortencio has been following this for us. what does this mean for the haitian refugees in this country right now? >> when the 18 months are up, by july 2019, haitian refugee it is are being told by the administration to pack their bags. if they don't qualify for any other sort of visa, they will
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become undocumented overnight, subject to deportation. now, the administration argued that they're being given this 18-month window to, quote, ensure a smooth transition. but it's basically preparing to leave. hundreds of children that have to be pulled from schools, hundreds of people that have to find jobs on an island where thousands are already fleeing because of lack of economic opportunity. dhs argues these extraordinary conditions under which tps was granted after the 2010 earthquake and the subsequent co collholera epidemic, they no lor exist. but that is contrary to what i hear from activists on the ground. they argue that forcing refugees to have to go back to an island under these conditions, especially the cholera epidemic, is a violation of human rights. i spoke to the leader of the haitian women of miami. this is what she described was
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her conversation with a 7-year-old child when she told him she would have to go back to haiti. >> she said no, i'm not afraid. i want to tell president trump that i'm where i'm supposed to be. and i'm not nothing girp. >> anywhere. >> the irony is trump as a candidate when he was campaigning in south florida, he vowed to be a champion to the haitian community and said he understood the difficult path to recovery, would take some time that he would always protect haitians. >> thank you. >> thank you, craig. >> let's bring in msnbc political analyst republican strategist rick tyler. josh barrow, senior editor at business insider. rick, what's the thinking here? >> hard to say. as i understand it, haiti and
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honduras had their protected status rejected as well. the reporting seems that haiti is not ready to receive the 60,000-plus haitians that are there. so i don't know. i mean, that's -- you have to give temporary status but at some point it does expire but there's a dispute whether haiti is prepared to take them back. >> we're talking about the poorest country in the western hemisphere. 25% of all of the money that accounts for that country's gdp comes from haitians in this country sending money back. this is one of those instances where it's hard to for people who call themselves part of the christian right, how do you justify sending people back to a place like that? that doesn't seem to be very christian-like either. >> it's part of the broader anti-immigration push of the trump administration. their view is basically that over a period of decades
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republican and democratic administrations have made a series of decisions that have effectively allowed for much more immigration then was supposed to be allowed under the law of the united states. as part of this, they look at temporary protected statuses and say look, they call them temporary, they go on for a very long time. the difference in haiti is this earthquake is much more recent than the stuff -- the statuses that existed for central america, had gone on much longer. i think here as rick notes, the argument that haiti is ready to take these people back i think is a very difficult argument to make and these are people with a strong case of why they need a continuation of their temporary protected status. i think it's part of a broader policy push on their part just trying to find every way that they can to reject these sorts of, you know, unusual immigration statuses. >> it does reflect a hard line. that's a perception problem that you think the white house would be aware of. 100,000 people died in the haitian earthquake. the reason they died is because their building codes and -- >> 1 million more displaced.
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not only -- 1 million people without a house. >> you have to remember the other side of the island is fairly prosperous, right. so you have this strange -- i don't know if the earthquake centered near that area, but it's very believable to me that haiti is not ready to return refugees. >> the president as he was pardoning those turkeys, he talked about the fact he couldn't undo the pardons from tater and tot last year, those turkeys who -- but the reality is this president is one who spent a lot of time undoing anything with obama's name on it and we've got a list. i'm not even sure that this is the most up to date list but we'll show folks at home what we're talking about here. of course the repeal of basketball care. this is something that this administration -- >> which they hadn't done. >> right. transgendered troops, energy policies, paris accords, the transpacific partnership.
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again, this is a partial list. that's just part of the legacy that's under attack. is this president's agenda to reverse just everything that his predecessor did? >> i think that's the impress he would like to have. if you can bring the graphic up, a lot of the stuff on there is not stuff he's actually gotten done. so daca is on hold and it's likely the president will extend that again. the transgender troops policy is tied up in the courts. he's essentially allowed the defense department to allow much of it. the paris accords, i mean, part of why the president was allowed to withdraw from that is it's mostly a symbolic agreement. there's other stuff that would have real effect. but he saw that as a symbol, breaking wre ing with the rest western world. and the transpacific partnership. bernie sanders and hillary clinton were in agreement they would not proceed with that
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either. >> there's an agreement now that does not include us. so they're doing it kind of without us. >> we don't have time to get to net neutrality. but we -- really quickly here, for folks who haven't been following the story. it's not sexy but it's very important. net neutrality. again an obama administration idea. requires broadband providers requires access to all content on the internet. >> i've changed my position on it, no, it's not a good idea. >> i think it's a moderately bad idea. i think it's going to make much of a difference in either direction. the concern is the internet will be priced more like cable where you can be charged a la carte for the things you use and there's some theoretical concerns that providers will prefer their own content over other content or slow down websites that don't pay. the question is how competitive for these markets. for mobile, people have a choice of providers. >> it's a necessary utility now. i think it's going to be
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regulated like a utility. >> we'll have to leave it there. the fbi this afternoon will be updating reporters on its investigation into a border patrol agent who died this weekend in texas. rogelio martinez died under mysterious circumstances. his partner remains in critical condition. texas governor abbott and president trump are demanding answers. now, the latest on that. jacob what do we know about this case in general? >> yes, craig, it's pew qul yar. 38 border patrol agents have been killed in the line of duty since 2003. as you said, his name was agent rogelio martinez. the circumstances surrounding his death are very murky. that is in part due to statements by the president that go far beyond what we're hearing from the fbi which is investigating this death. this morning, the border patrol itself told me to be careful with what's being reported out there. here is what we know as of right
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now. the border patrol says agent martinez and his partner were responding to activity in the van horn station area. this was on saturday night. martinez's partner reported that they were both injured and in need assistant. then we know martinez died from his injuries early on sunday. his partner is still in the hospital. president trump spoke out on twitter sunday night after this happened. and he said border patrol officer killed at southern border, another badly hurt. we will seek out and bring to justice those responsible. we will and we must build the wall. now on monday morning, craig, before his cabinet meeting, president trump said this. >> we lost a border patrol officer just yesterday. and another one was brutally beaten and badly, badly hurt. >> brutally beaten the president says. this account aligns very closely with statements from the border patrol union who you will
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remember the executive committee there endorsed his campaign for president. this is what their vice president told affiliate wtsm. watch this. >> what we like to use is what we hear from agents that are actually there, agents on the ground and what they're telling us is that these agents did respond to traffic. when we're responding, it's individuals that are entering the country illegally or trying to evade detection from border patrol. we strongly believe that, you know, rocks were what was used. we hear the talk about individuals trying to get a better life and enter this country to get a better life but the reality is, they will stop at nothing, including killing a federal agent, including taking somebody's life, which is what happened. >> the border patrol union saying rockings were used in the attack.
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monday night, the fib, which was leading the investigation. that's federpractice when a fed officer is killed. did not confirm any of this, only saying both agents sustained traumatic head injuries. along with other miscellaneous injuries such as broken bones. the local sheriff said injuries sustained were consistent with a fall in an area with deep terrain. very confusing, lots of information here. we expect to hear more from the fbi if a news conference later this afternoon. >> all right that news conference, again, we're told, 3:00, maybe 4:00 this afternoon. we will check in with you in just a bit. in the wake of cbs firing charlie rose, should the punishment for all sexual harassment and assault, should it be the same? i'm going to talk to the founder of me too, as well as "the new york times" columnist michelle goldberg about whether all sexual misconduct is equal. plus, the father of one of the three ucla basketball players recently accused of shoplifting in china firing back at president trump.
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two big stories involving sexual misconduct allegations. about an hour ago, cbs announced it fired its morning news anchor charlie rose after allegations of sexual misconduct surfaced in a report in "the washington post." also within the past hour, longtime congressman john
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conyers vehemently denied reports that he engaged in harassing behavior. the congressman did say his office did resolve allegations by an employee, but with, and, quote, express denial of liability. i want to bring in our guest, an activist, also founder of the me too movement that continues to sweep the internet by storm. "new york times" columnist michelle goldberg is also here. your article caught my attention. was really glad you came in to talk about it. this news this afternoon about charlie rose fired, again, less than 24 hours after the news broke, it should be noted that rose has apologized for his behavior but he did tell tmz last night that there was no wrong doing. your reaction. >> well, there's wrongdoing if the accusers felt like they were done wrong, right. this is about what -- how it affect, the people who are victimized and i can't imagine these young women wanted to see charlie rose naked so i don't think that people can can seons.
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if you don't consent, there's wrongdoing. >> his longtime executive producer told the press, quote, i should have stood up for them, i failed. it is crushing. i deeply regret not helping them. how common do you think a response like miss vega's is? >> i mean, evidently, it's very common. because a lot of these cases were men where it was sort of an open secret, maybe not the extent of the misbehavior but the fact of it. i want to be really careful not to blame women who have kind of no good options. i mean, one of the things i feel like i keep coming back to is that when you have men in control of everything and they behave badly, the women who kind of have to negotiate with that male power often have no good options. because you can stand up to it and get fired or you can quietly go along with it and try to have some sort of influence. on the one hand, i don't want to -- i mean, people should
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speak out, but the fault of this is not with the underlings, it is with the abusers. >> you wrote something last week in which you thought senator al franken should resign after thek that you thought senator al franken should resign and wrote about doubts you had and then wrote again today. i want to read part of this for our viewers at home. personally i am torn by competing impulses. i want to see sexual harassment finally taken seriously but fear participating in a sex panic. my instinct is often to defend men i like but i don't want tobe an enabler or a sucker. how do we manage the appropriate pung punish? we probably shouldn't lump roy moores in with al frankens. >> i think we are still negotiating that and still figuring that out. on the one hand i don't want tobe in the position of saying
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one or two groups are no big deal. at the same time i don't want to be in a position of saying one or two gropes are equivalent to the sexual assault of an under aged girl or attempted rape or repeated systematic harassment. one of the things that is happening right now is that so many different kinds of accusations are coming out and there is this like frenzy pace of revelations. i feel like a lot of us are to use the wrong word groping around for the correct response to it. i think initially i like the idea of just not having to draw lines just like let's have zero tolerance policy. after really giving it some thought i'm not sure that is feasible because there will be so many more of these and we are going to have to grapple with the distinctions. >> we have been having this conversation, pbs apparently has always fired charlie rose announcing moments ago that it is parting ways with rose. this comes about an hour after
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cbs announced that it, too, is firing rose. here is part of the statement from pbs. in light of yesterday's revelations pbs is turning its relationship with charlie rose and cancelled distributions and expects all to provide a work place where people feel safe and are treat would dignity and respect. that coming from pbs moments ago. when you started this movement again more than ten years ago now if i believe, are these the kinds of stories that you thought would be told? because hollywood, media, congressmen, we have not heard as many stories about just regular folks who work for hourly wages. >> this is the thing. these stories of these hollywood figures and politicians it's indicative of what is happening on the ground and with regular people in regular communities. when i started this i didn't think that we have people like
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harvey weinstein or charlie rose exposed. i know that this is pervasive and we are seeing how pervasive this is. every corner of the world, every business, everywhere. >> there is a high likelihood you guys will be back on a similar topic here. we will be right back. the person who opens it. ♪ give ancestrydna, the only dna test that can trace your origins to over 150 ethnic regions... ♪ ...and open up a world of possibilities. ♪ save 20% for the holidays at ancestrydna.com.
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president trump is feuding with lavarball now. the outspoken father of one of
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the basketball players recently released from china after admitting to shop lifting. trump saying ball isn't properly grateful. ball appeared on cnn last night to talk about the president's criticism. >> it wasn't like he was in the u.s. and said there are three kids in china i need to get him. just because people say things is supposed to be true like i stopped them from saving ten years. maybe we was doing talking with other people before he got there. >> sports editor for the nation joins me now. it wasn't just ball this week. yesterday the president taking time to tweet marshawn lynch for his stand for the mexican anthem and sits down to the boos for national an them and goes on about the attendance and ratings for the nfl. what does the president stand to gain by feuding with the sports community? >> well, first of all, let's be
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clear. he feuds with black descenters within the sports community. donald trump does this for two reasons. i think we have a lot of evidence to say that racism comes to him like a tick, like someone hitting his knee with one of those hammers at the doctor's office. second, it absolutely thrills his base even though we know what they would say if any other president maybe republican or democrat demanded thanks for freeing somebody from a chinese prison. it needs to be said that this is a very old play book in terms of attacking well-known black athletes. i can site stuff back to jack johnson through jackie robinson to colin kaepernick. they are a very good target for people who play this game of divide and distract for the simple reason that black people in the united states when they are big in the world of sports they have a huge cultural platform and become these symbols ofresentiment.
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they become as if they haven't worked so hard to achieve this precipice. it becomes this thing where you target, demonize, distract. it goes back 100 years. trump is doing nothing new. it is tired and it is wrong. >> you mentioned a few of them. i want to put it on the screen for folks at home who may be watching. lavar ball, marshawn lynch, colin kaepernick. we are leaving out a few. you would think he would toss in a token sports figure that doesn't look like everyone else on the screen. >> to say like who have been some of the most blistering critics in the sports world of donald trump? i think most of us would agree it would be greg pop vich and steve kerr. find me a tweet from donald trump about them? for the simple reason it either
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does not tickle trump's lizard brain to go after them or he knows it is not going to do well with his base. >> or even entertainers. nothing to eminem. eminem has gone all in on the president for a few months now. always enjoy your insights. lots of breaking news today. that is going to wrap up this hour of msnbc live. >> lizard brain, ben carson the first person to say donald trump had a lizard brain in an editorial he called donald trump's quick reactions akin to a lizard brain. >> always learn something new from you. >> you do. isn't it nice? >> it is. thank you very much. let's get back to the serious business of the news. 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. here in the east. cbs and pbs have fired a celebrated journalist after eight women

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