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it was and what we were like right before everything changed. that is our broadcast for a tuesday night. thank you so much for being here with us. good night from he denies it. by the way, he totally denies it. >> the president appears to endorse roy moore. >> he says it didn't hive. you have to listen to him also. >> despite the nine women who have already come forward. >> the women are trump voters, most of them are trump voters. you have to do what you have to do. he denies it. >> why does the president support an accused child molester for u.s. senate? >> we don't need a liberal person in there, a democrat,
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jones, i've looked at his record, it's terrible on crime. then, the president and vladimir putin. >> we had a great call with president putin. >> what did they talk about for an hour today? plus new investigations into harassment on capitol hill. charlie rose is fired from two television networks. the president is still the president. >> women are very special. i think it's a very special time. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. today the president of the united states effectively endorsed an accused child molester for u.s. senate. i'm going to repeat that to let it sink in. the president of the united states appeared to endorse an accused child molester to serve in the u.s. senate. after spending days tiptoeing around the allegations against roy moore and stonewalling, moore of course who nine women have accused of assaulting them, groping them, pursuing them, some of them when they they were teenagers and he was in his 30s,
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today the president finally broke his silence making the case against moore's opponent, democrat doug jones. >> i could tell you -- i could tell you one thing for sure, we don't need a liberal person in there, a democrat, jones, i've looked at his record, it's terrible on crime. it's terrible on the border. it's terrible in the military. i can tell you for a fact, we do not need somebody that's going to be bad on crime, bad on borders, bad with the military, bad for the second amendment. i can tell you you don't need somebody who's soft on crime like jones. >> soft on crime, interesting phrase when you consider who is on each side of that ledger. because on one hand, you've got roy moore. who was kicked off the alabama state supreme court twice for defying federal law. and who now stands accused of preying on young girls, girls as young as 14 years old, while he
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was a deputy district attorney and abusing that position in the criminal justice system to silence his victims. on the other hand, there's doug jones. a former federal prosecutor who put away the kkk members responsible for the 1963 church bombing that killed four little girls. and he, doug jones, that's the one who's soft on crime, according to this president. the president's decision to weigh in on the race comes exactly three weeks till election day in alabama where the polls remain closed. even as more and more women have come forward to share stories about moore. some viewers may find those stories disturbing. >> he removed my clothing. he left the room and came back in wearing his white underwear. and he touched me over my clothing, what was left of it. and he tried to get me to touch him as well. >> then he just grabbed my behind. i mean, forcefully grabbed it.
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and i didn't even react. i just walked out. >> what was going throughed your mind in that moment? >> i was so ashamed. >> mr. moore reached over and began groping me and putting his hands on my breasts. i tried fighting him off while yelling at him to stop. but instead of stopping he back squeezing my neck, attempting to force my head onto his crotch. >> moore denied those specific allegations. today the president appeared to take his side against the women who have come forward. >> well, he denies it. look, he denies it. i mean, if you look at what is really going on, and you look at all the things that have happened over the last 48 hours, he totally denies it. he says it didn't happen. you have to listen to him also. you're talking about he said 40 years ago this did not happen.
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so, you know. i'll be letting you know next week, i mean, roy moore denies it. >> what about the women? what about the nine women? >> he says total denial. i do have to say 40 years is a long time. he's run eight races and this has never come up. so 40 years is a long time. the women are trump voters, most of them are trump voters. all you can do is you have to do what you have to do. he totally denies it. >> that stance puts the president at odds with top political allies, including the senate majority leader, speaker of the house, the attorney general, and his own daughter ivanka who say they find those women's allegations to be credible. the jones campaign just put out a new ad that makes exactly that point. >> on roy moore's disturbing actions, ivanka trump says there's a special place in -- for people to prey on children, i have no done to doubt the victims' accounts. richard shelby says he will
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absolutely not vote for roy moore. conservative voices. putting children and women over party. doing what's right. >> of course believing women is a tricky subject for this president. who is elected to office after being accused by 15 women, on the record, of unwanted physical contact. he denied all'ses despite having admitted to some of the same kind of behavior on the "access hollywood" tape. it is now the official position of this white house, even at this very moment, that all 15 of those women, all of them on the record, all who have described their recollections the president's unwanted physical contact that every single last one of them are liars. every one. nevertheless, when asked if he has a message to american women in the mitt of what's become a historic national reckoning on sexual misconduct, this was the president's response. >> women are very special.
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i think it's a very special time. because a lot of things are coming out and i think that's good for our society. and i think it's very, very good for women. and i'm very happy a lot of these things are coming out. and i'm very happy -- i'm very happy it's being exposed. steve schmidt, republican strategist and msnbc political analyst. the president of the united states basically endorsed, i mean, the accused child molester, a man that's credibly accused of molesting a child, over the democrat today. what's your reaction as a republican? >> tragic day for the republican party. i just think, chris, to use an analogy, no one's ever been injured jumping out of an airplane, it's the landing that gets you. i wonder proverbially, thinking about that, when we look back, i wonder if this is the moment where, for republicans, the party left the airplane on the way to a devastating landing in 2018.
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and i just think the line is drawn. the die are cast. the forces of decency are against the forces of indecency. this is an accused child molester, credibly accused, by multiple women. what we're talking about here is a 14-year-old little girl. you saw the pain in the eyes and on the face of that middle-aged woman. this has been a defining event in her life. he's unfit to serve in the united states senate. this exposes a profound moral rot in the country, in the republican party. a great test for the citizens of state of alabama. we've reached the hour that george washington warned us about. a political tribalism that's so corrosive, so corrupting, that it could take otherwise normal, decent people that you'd encounter on any day, and make them defend the indefensible and the profoundly indecent. and it's a sad moment.
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>> you know, it's interesting. i've been seeing -- tim miller, a kind of "never trump" republican, but a republican in good standing. not a heterodox conservative, a conservative who worked for jeb bush. i saw him tweeting raising money for doug jones saying, this is a moment when people have to step and up do the right thing. i wonder if you think there will be more of that. >> look, i think that should roy moore be elected, the republicans in the senate have a difficult decision. that is going to hurt them either way. to seat him or to expel him. certainly in my view he should be expelled. but if roy moore is seated as a republican in the united states senate, he will be hung around the neck of every republican running in every suburban district, everywhere in this country. and it will be a legitimate attack. it will be the right attack for democrats to make.
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and i think that a large portion of this country, looking at the absurdity of these self-proclaimed men of god, these pastors in alabama, with these indescribably despicable defenses of this. i think that there will be a profound political punishment inflicted. you essentially have 100% of the democrats, 65% to 70% of the independents, and about 25% of republicans, that will stand in a coalition together against the one thing that's going to be tested on the ballot in 2018. do we want to continue down this road, in this age of trump? is this the type of country we want to live in? is this the type of indecency we want to embrace? >> you know, there is a thesis about our current politics, about having very, very weak parties institutionally, but very strong partisanship. and donald trump is a great example. the republican party as an institution didn't want the guy to get the nomination. once he got the nomination, the partisanship so is powerful,
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basically if you don't vote to the person, put the x next to their name, it strikes me roy moore is an even more extreme illustration of just how profound that phenomenon is in our politics. >> the most extreme thus far as the parties are shrinking, their bases are becoming more extreme. as the bases become more extreme, the challenge for politicians to incite them, to polarize them. they do it with more extreme rhetoric, more extreme stances. in the middle of the electorate, normal people are just left looking at this saying, my goodness, what's going on? what does it mean that when you have someone credibly accused of molesting -- of child molestation of a 14-year-old girl. it seems that prisoners in a penitentiary have a higher code of moral conduct than does the west wing of the white house. and the president of the united
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states. when it comes to understanding the disgustingness of the predation by an adult on a child. of all the despicable behavior that we've seen laid out in recent weeks, this is a special category. these are children. children. terrible. >> let me add one more detail. the 14-year-old in question was, she says, approached by moore while he was a district attorney at a courthouse where her mother was about to go into a custody hearing dealing with her custody during a divorce. that's when he picked her up. steve schmidt, always good to talk to you, thank you. >> thank you, chris. >> former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama, lives in alabama, reporter for "the daily beast." you've been reporting on the fact that the trump world that wanted distance from roy moore, and then key allies robbied the president to reconsider, you were reporting this yesterday. today we saw the culmination of this effort by kellyanne conway and steve bannon, two individuals who should forever be associated with roy moore forever, because they have
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strongly backed him even after he has been credibly accused of attempting to rape a 16-year-old and molesting a 14-year-old. right? >> absolutely. for not just the president of the united states, but for the white house, for some of his top allies outside of the white house, for a lot of people in the republican party. this has been a week or so of coming back home to roy moore. over the course of, as we mentioned, a very short period of time. over the past seven days or so, the president had been wavering on roy moore. top officials in the white house had been wavering on roy moore. even steve bannon had voiced private reservations about roy moore. but over a handful of days, they all decided to not go wobbly. and buckle up. and decided that this is our guy. as we reported in "the daily beast" yesterday, some of the top's top advisers, including conway and wan none -- bannon no longer work in the west wing but talks to the president regularly on the phone -- had been urging
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him to not publicly denounce or reject roy moore. because, and this is going to sound very crude and cynical, but it is the calculus of a lot of these republicans and people working in trump's inner circle that when it comes to things like tax cuts, that is too important a thing to throw away to a democratic seat, even when you have allegations of child molestation. >> joyce what is it -- everyone's looking at alabama, the polls are closed, it seems like an impossible race to model. i'm curious what it is like there, how your understanding perceiving this race and the folks you talked to. >> this will be a close race. everyone's saying that and it's absolutely true. perhaps on the ground we see a few workers one way or the other. i drove today through old mountain brook, which is luther strange territory. conservative republican territory. and instead of seeing roy moore
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signs, i saw no roy moore signs at all in the front yards of homes. but i saw a sprinkling of doug jones signs. a couple of signs in every neighborhood i drove through through. that's not something i would have seen in any other election. >> so you think -- this is this has been the question, moore barely won the last time he ran statewide, he ran against your husband. >> yes. >> barely eked out victory, very high unfavorables, was polarizing even before that primary victory, even before being credibly accused of attempting to rape a 16-year-old girl and molesting a 14-year-old, among other teenagers he attempted to seduce, apparently. the question is are those flipable, gettable votes? >> i think those are flipable, gettable votes. jones has to talk to suburban women. he has to energize his base. that's what he seems to be
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doing. he has campaigned in selma with terry sewell, the very popular democratic congresswoman from selma. he campaigned with georgia representative ron lewis. he seems to be doing that well. now he has to convince suburban women -- moms who are outraged on behalf of their daughters or granddaughters by roy moore's conduct -- to either vote for him or to stay home and that's really the question in this race. >> i want to play what doug jones had to say about moore's accusers today, take a listen. >> do you believe roy moore was a sexual predator? >> i believe the women. i think that answers the question. i believe their stories have credibility, and i believe them. >> how do you feel about donald trump at this point endorsing a man who has been accused? >> i'm going to let the people of alabama make that decision. i feel like my record speaks for itself. and i don't have to have the president or anyone else to talk about it, to try to label it. >> there's reporting that contrary to a lot of -- almost everyone in sort of the upper echelons of the republican party find the women credible, the
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president saw parallels between the alabama case and the situation, his own "access hollywood" video, and he privately doubted moore's accusers. what do you make of that? >> well, that sounds about right for this president. and it's also what people in his inner circle are thinking when it comes to parallels with the on-rush of sexual assault and harassment allegations that came out against him during october of the 2016 election. there was this moment where so much of the republican party was denouncing or distancing from donald trump on endorsing him. then of course over the course of a very short period of time, just a month's time, a few weeks, they all came home and rallied around him. once he became president-elect and leader of the free world. and the coming-home to roy moore
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that has happened in the west wing, and outside of it, within the republican party -- so not all the republican party but a lot of it -- happened within the span of about a week. that is a lot shorter than it took for them to come back to trump. if you don't mind, i just want to try a thought experiment with this panel and your viewers. does anybody honestly think that the president of the united states would be saying, oh, these allegations happened so long ago, and we're not sure who to believe, if doug jones was accused of all of this? not for a second. >> not a single second. not anyone. joyce vance, many thanks to you both. the kremlin scoops the white house again. what we learned about donald trump's hour-long phone conversation with vladimir putin ahead. the harassment problem in the building where roy moore wants to work, in two minutes. we know life can be hectic.
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basically endorses him, there's questions about how congress has been handling allegations of sexual assault. congressman john conyers, disclosure of a 2015 confidential settlement agreement with a former staff member who says she was fired for refusing his sexual advances. congressman conyers responded with a statement which reads in part, in this case i expressly and vehemently deny the allegations made against me and continue to do so. the resolution was not for millions of dollars, but an amount that equated to a reasonable severance payment. the settlement was for thor than $27,000. according to buzzfeed news which broke the story, documents included supporting affidavits claiming multiple instances of conyers making sexual advances to female staff. it's the case while buzz feed news verified the authenticity of the documents they were "first provided buzzfeed news by the men's right figure turned pro-trump media activist" which might explain why no sitting
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republican congressman was repealed by those documents. congresswoman jackie speier testified she knows of two members of congress who are sexual harassers, one democrat, one republican. there have been 264 settlements to federal employees totaling $17 million for various violations of moment rules, including sexual assault. congressman diana degette says she was groped by former congressman bob fillmer who resigned due to charges of sexual harassment. you said this about fillmer who was run out of office in san diego after allegations surfaced. you talked about your experience with him. i want to read his statement and get your response. i don't know where this comes, from we were friends, i would never do anything like that, it didn't happen. your response? >> well, i was there, it did happen. and this is what these men often say.
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if not always. and what it really is, the reason i think that people need to name names, for me, i'm tough. it wasn't that big of a deal at the time. and you know, professional women like me have to go through these things, unfortunately, on a regular basis. so i told my husband, i told my chief of staff. but i didn't make a complaint. and then, of course, after that what happened was he apparently harassed women who were subordinates to him, other women. and eventually he was forced out of office as mayor of san diego and then he even was involved in a court case. and so i thought to myself, you know, if i had said something at the time. >> right. >> maybe these other people wouldn't have been victimized. that's why i just don't think it cuts it to say, there are people in congress right now who are predators, but we're not going to say who they are. that's what we've been doing all along. and not only do we need to call out who's doing this, we really
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need to look at the rules that we have. the office of compliance that you just referred to, which is the office all the discrimination complaints go to, has a very archaic process, it has a 30-day arbitration, then more time for counseling. but it has no link to the ethics committee. so even if somebody was found in the compliance investigation to have had some kind of sexual harassment, that wouldn't necessarily go to the ethics investigation. that's really what we need to look at doing. >> ben smith, who is editor at "buzz feed," referred to the process as a plausible deniability machine, because basically no one gets notified, so everyone can say, in leadership or colleagues -- i mean, let me ask you this. did you know about the allegations in the sworn affidavit against john conyers?
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>> no. i didn't. and -- >> do you think you should have? >> i think the ethics committee should have been investigating that, they should come up with recommendations. and if they find credible evidence that a member of congress is engaging in sexual harassment, they should leave congress require think members of congress should be held to a higher standard than anybody else. and i think it's really important to believe the women. and i think it's also important to preserve due process. but that's why we need strong ethics investigations in these situations. and we need a link between the administrative office that's investigating these complaints and the ethics committee. >> how pervasive is this problem in congress? >> well -- just like any other workplace like this you hear rumors, you hear people talk. but i talked about some of the situations that happened to me,
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and every so often you hear that. what concerns me is if members of congress are doing this to women who are subordinates. either junior staffers or interns. and i think that we need a much more robust reporting system to find out exactly how extensive this is. >> all right, congresswoman diana degette, thank you for making time. today before leaving for thanksgiving, before pardoning the turkeys, the president's schedule, a phone call with vladimir putin.
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russia is a ruse. i have nothing to do with
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russia. haven't made a phone call to russia in years. don't speak to people from russia. not that i wouldn't, i just have nobody to speak to. i spoke to putin twice. he called me on the election. i told you this. and he called me on the inauguration. a few days ago. >> that was the president just one month after inauguration. since then he's spoken many times, not just with president putin but with his representatives, and often the white house has only confirmed those interactions after news leaked out. in may president trump met with russian foreign minister sergei lavrov and russia's ambassador to the u.s., sergei kislyak, at the white house. that meeting was closed to the u.s. press. in that meeting trump reportedly boasted about his firing the fbi director saying he'd relieved pressure over russia. kislyak wasn't even listed on the president's official schedule. american journalists weren't informed about it. he wasn't included in the official white house readout. we only found out about it because the russian press was allowed and tweeted photos.
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in july after an official on the record meeting with president putin at g-20 came word of a second undisclosed private hour-long conversation conducted through the kremlin's interpreter because the american translator did not speak russian. the white house confirmed the conversation only after news reports about it but said the leaders only spoke briefly. in september president trump met russia's new ambassadors to the u.s. at a ceremony at the white house, a standard thing. but no one else knew about it until the russian media reported it first. again, white house later confirming the interaction, though said it wasn't a "meeting." which brings us to today. and pump's phone call with president putin. at least we knew about it before it happened this time. thanks to the kremlin, which confirmed it before the white house did. what exactly did they talk about for over an hour? that's next. attention: are you eligible for medicare?
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we had a great call with president putin. we had a call that lasted almost an hour and a half. we just put out a release on the call. but we're talking very strongly about bringing peace to syria. we're talking very strongly about north korea and ukraine. >> today's phone call between trump and president vladimir putin which the white house says touched on north korea, ukraine, and syria took place one day after a surprise face-to-face meeting and hug between president putin and syrian president bashar al assad in sochi, russia. to help sort out the phone call,
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former u.s. ambassador to russia, michael mcfaul. what do you think the conversation about syria was this. >> unclear to me. talking strongly, i don't know what that means. most certainly the president didn't go out of his way to talk about the need for a constitutional reform, electoral process, a political transition. all of that language that might signal what we want in syria was absent from the readout and absent from the readout that the president did verbally. >> let me take a step back. one of the strange things is the president was reticent to criticize russia during the campaign. since he has come in, it seems to me he has been caught between that rhetoric and his inclination to have a quote better relationship with putin and the political facts on the ground such that the relationship has been somewhat on auto pilot. that is a fair characterization? >> yeah, i think that's fair. although i would add auto pilot
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means we're not involved. so auto pilot means we're not in the negotiations about syria. when the other leaders are meeting tomorrow in sochi to talk about that. auto pilot means we're a passive player in these arenas. and i don't think that's good for american national interests. but it is also true that he hasn't done the more grandiose things that he had promised during the campaign. thins that i think would have been not in america's national interests. so at least that's some good news. >> what do you mean by those things? >> as a candidate, he said he would look into lifting sanctions. he said he would look into recognizing crimea as part of the russian federation. he called nato an sleet. obsolete. that made people worried about this rapprochement with vladimir putin. instead you have happy talk, nice words about vladimir putin, but practically in terms of policy, lots of continuity with
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the obama administration policy towards russia. >> do you worry in your darkest thoughts that the president is compromised in these interactions, that there's parts of him not pursuing american interests in these bilateral conversations? because of something that may be out there? >> i don't know, chris. maybe i worry but i don't want to get ahead of my skis, i don't want to get ahead of the investigation. i would just say that it's curious for a president, democrat or republican, going back decades, nobody has ever spoke this fondly about a leader in the kremlin when you compare president trump's words to any other president. >> there's also seems to me some continuity with the way he deals with other strong men. whether that's duterte in the philippines, xi in china, erdogan in turkey. he does seem to have jen win affection, affinity, admiration for leaders who are in institutional settings in which
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they are essentially not democratically accountable. >> there's most certainly a pattern there, you're right about that. i think he also has a theory of talking nice to these people in hopes that that will achieve some objective. right? so flattery is his method of diplomacy. and if it works, i'll be the first to congratulate him. if saying those nice things about president xi as he did just last week gets the chinese to help us on north korea in a substantive way, all applaud it. so far i would say lots of nice talk, and very few results. >> yeah, it is an irony, a person who talks about himself as so tough, such a suffdealmaker in the international arena he's kind of fawning with everyone, particularly fawning with putin. it's a broader phenomenon than putin. >> it is. it's striking. very strange to me to watch.
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because it's all about talking, it's never about criticism. it's rarely even talking about american objectives. >> right. >> so if you look at that readout of that phone call today, when i used to work at the white house i used to write those statements after obama would talk to russian leaders. and we would say, president obama pressed for the return of sovereignty to ukraine. president obama said there needs to be a political solution in syria. so at least we would read out our side to say what objectives we were seeking to achieve. that is noticeably absent in the readout today. >> there don't appear to be objectives. ambassador, thank you. icahn fired a day after an incredible report detailing years of sexual harassment. fred would do anything for his daughter.
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"thing 1," a texas sheriff has publicly threatened to charge a woman for an anti-trump decal. last week ft. bend county sheriff troy nells posted this image of a truck, the decal "f trump, f you for voting for him." sheriff nells wrote, i have received numerous calls regarding the offensive display on this truck, if you know who owns this the truck or it is yours i would like to discuss it with you. our prosecutor has informed us she would accept disorderly conduct charges regarding the decal but i feel we can come to an agreement regarding a modification to it." a note of cop text, sheriff nells who suggested he could maybe bring charges against someone for an anti-trump sticker said he may run for congress as a republican next year. the district attorney rebuffed the sheriff saying he could not bring charges over a sticker. the woman who owns the truck is thinking about taking action. in addition to the new sticker she's added, "thing 2" in 60
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texas sheriff troy nells mulling a republican bird for congress, publicly threatened to bring charges against woman with an anti-trump sticker on her truck, karen upon seek day sa, she couldn't be cited but a day later she was arrested on an unrelated charge date back to 2014. fonseca was released on bail, now hitting back starting with the sticker she added to her truck this weekend, that part of the reading f-u for voting for trump, and suggesting this incident was politically motivated. >> he didn't think twice before he went and put us on facebook, put me on blast, involved my family and everything else. it's making my statement and saying, if you're going to put me on blast that you want to gain votes, let's put the real troy out there and give you what you wanted. >> fonseca is considering suing sheriff troy nells, a move the aclu of texas is endorsing. you can't prosecute speech just
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because it has the f-word it in. >> he messed with the wrong person, for one. and secondly,fy can do this, it might encourages others to stand under for their rights and know their voice will be heard.
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down the stretch in the 2016 campaign, donald trump went to the little haiti neighborhood in miami to make the case for haitian-american vote there's he, not hillary clinton work, look out for them at any cost, particularly in the wake of hati's devastating 2010 earthquake. >> the 2010 haitian earthquake unleashed a horrible and catastrophic devastation. over 300,000 dead, unbelievable. 300,000. millions displaced or injured. homes, businesses, schools reduced to rubble. the truth is haiti is still suffering very badly. maybe as badly. the haitian people deserve
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better. and that's what i intend to give them. i will give them better. whether you vote for me or you don't vote for me, i really want to be your greatest champion and i will be your champion, whether you vote for me or not. >> a fact check, the death toll from the earthquake is widely disputed but there is no question it decimated haiti, prompting the obama administration to grand temporary protected status to tens of thousands of haitians so they could live here in the u.s. but now the administration of donald trump that man you saw promising to be the champion of the haitian people, who said just last year that haiti is still suffering very badly that man has now revoked that protection for 80,000 people. in a statement, homeland security secretary elaine duke saying, significant steps have been taken to improve the stability and quality of life for haitian citizens and haiti is able to safely receive additional levels of returned citizens. more than half of haitians live in abject poverty and the country is still suffering from the cholera epidemic that was
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caused by the u.n. peacekeeping force that came in after the earthquake. they brought cholera to haiti and trump refuses to pay a penny for the u.n. choleran relief fund, designed to address the cholera brought to haiti. 60,000 haitians living in the u.s. must return to haiti or face deportation. the haitian community is in shock. cheryl telling "the new york times," the situation is not good, i don't know where i am able to go. protesters rallied in front of mar-a-lago to protest the decision as haitian parents grappled with being forced to leave their u.s.-born children behind. >> whether you vote for he or you don't vote for me, i really want to be your greatest champion and i will be your champion. whether you vote for me or not.
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rose after eight women told the washington post rose made unwanted sexual advances including lewd phone calls, walking around naked and groping their breasts, buttocks or again -- genital areas. not all the allegations are accurate and added. i always felt i was pursuing shared feelings even though i realize i was mistaken. rose's former co-host on cbs this morning, gail king addressed the allegations.
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>> this i know is true, women cannot achieve equality in the workplace or society until there is a reckoning and taking of responsibility. this will be investigated. this has to end. this behavior is wrong. period. >> i can't stop thinking about the anguish of these women, what happened to their dignity, what happened to their bodies, what happened to maybe their careers. i can't stop thinking about that and the pain they are going through. >> i'm joined by one of the reporters who broke the news about charlie rose on that piece and contributing writer. first began investigating the allegations against rose in 2010. great to have you here. it's a phenomenal piece of reporting. >> thank you. >> thank you for doing it. i want to start with that. you started in 2010. >> uh-huh. >> that's a long time. >> tell me what you did in 2010, where it went and what happened? >> we have eight people in our story in the washington post which i co-wrote. two of those women, i first
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became aware of in 2010, one of them on the record and i attempted to reach them in 2010 and speak to people who worked on the show and you know we write in this story about atmosphere of fear. it was really difficult to get anyone to talk to me and eventually i didn't feel like i had enough. when the incredible reporting and "the new york times" on harvey wine stein and the new yorker and washington post they are reporting on roy moore, i started to think perhaps it was time to revisit the story and got back in touch and my calls were being returned. >> how would you describe the difference between trying to talk to people about this exact same story as seven years ago and this time around? >> i think there is safety in numbers. even now, it is quite difficult to get anybody with an allegation of sexual harassment or assault to speak to you on the record and we know as journalist it's important to
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have as many people on the record as possible despite the fact anybody doing so is submitting themselves to scrutiny and stigma. when there are many people including the famous people and ashley judds of the world who was one of the first people to go on record, it is a game changer because it makes it less about one person's individual behavior and more about a systemic phenomenon. why didn't you say no or why didn't you leave or say yes to this invitation but a patterned behavior? >> the pattern is striking different reporting in different domains here. i want to talk about the ways in which his alleged behavior, although some of it is confirmed. he says -- >> try to say alleged every other word. >> inappropriate was essentially trucked off or sort of worked around by everything in or bit. you have his long-time executive
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producer vega who would shrug saying that's charlie being charlie and she said i failed. it is crushing. i deeply regret not helping them. >> charlie being charlie is the recklation of the young woman. she was 21 years old when her boss three times her age, he walked around her naked and would call her with sexual fantasies that featured her and asked her intimate questions about her life. when she reported this behavior to the executive producer, the closest thing to a person of authority who is not charlie. he owns his show. that's when she says she would be told by evette, that's just charlie being charlie. in evette's statement to us, she does say i'm crushed that i didn't protect them, which seems to me, we did come to her in detail with allegations that concerned her and i also would say with regards to charlie, his
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statement says that some of the allegations are not true. i want to say "the washington post" gave him ample opportunity to respond to them before public in detail and he chose not to. >> we should know that cbs presumably did not find out the story was being published live on "the washington post." >> we asked cbs, bloomberg and pbs for comment and asked have you investigated him for sexual harassment and their answer is has anybody complained? we asked which kind of hr function made available to employees of the charlie rose show. all of them said they didn't have oversight over the show, which i potentially -- made these women feel like there was nowhere to turn and they said they had never received a complaint of sexual harassment. cbs news reported three women reported to them as i understand it in the last day.
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>> wow. >> sexual harassment that took place at cbs. >> that's a new chapter in the story. one of the things also in the story that struck me and a pattern throughout these is the ways in which this shut the door on women from entering whole fields that these were young women coming, aspiring to be in journalism and who found the experience so awful and traumatizing they were like screw this, i'm getting out and we saw that with harvey wine stein and other examples that women basically encounter this as the first door they walk through, the first gate keeper and like i don't want anything to do with this. >> they described a culture on the show to us of fear and intimidation. everybody they said was afraid of charlie's temper but he was the key to their career success they thought and it seemed to be it was encouraged to spend time with him. they would go to his apartment to deliver research and work at his mansion and many allegations in the piece took place in these
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locations. the idea is do you take this invitation because this guy has the key to your career. if you don't go, you're not going to build a relationship with him when he interviews assad. it's a catch 22. >> amazing piece of reporting. thanks for being with me tonight. >> thank you. >> that is "all in" for this evening. the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. tonight president trump takes a stand on roy moore by defending him. the president says he doesn't need a democrat in the u.s. senate. also democratic congressman john conyers admits he filed a wrongful termination suit against unwanted sexual advances. charlie rose out of work tonight after last night's "washington post" bombshell. breaking on the russia front, a new report reveals what mueller is hoping to learn about kushner. what did trump and putin talk about for over an hour today? "the 11th hour" begins now.

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