tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC November 23, 2017 12:00am-1:00am PST
thank you so much for being here with us. good night from our headquarters in new york and happy thanksgiving. tonight on "all in" -- >> the rumor mill was that roy moore likes young girls. >> roy moore is in trouble, despite an almost endorsement from the president of the united states. >> roy moore died it, that's all i can say. >> tonight, the state of the race in alabama, and the president's political calculation. >> you have to do what you have to do. >> then, the son-in-law now being investigated for his contacts with foreign leaders. >> i had no improper contacts. >> plus, the chef who is cooking 40,000 meals in puerto rico. and the president who said he had a busy day, then went golfing. >> golf, golf, golf, golf, more, more. >> "all in" starts right now. >> i want more.
good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. one day after getting a de facto endorsement from the president, roy moore is in trouble in alabama. polls show the sexual misconduct allegations against moore, which include alleged sexual assault and molestation of teenagers are having an impact on his bid to be alabama's next u.s. senator. moore now statistically tied with his democratic opponent, doug jones, in a deep red state that donald trump won by almost 30 points. just before the allegations were first revealed, moore had been leading the same poll by 11%. a double-digit margin effectively erased in just two weeks. meanwhile, after largely holding their fire on allegations against moore, today the jones campaign released a new web video naming moore's accusers. >> leigh corfman, beverly nelson, gloria thacker deeson, gena richardson, wendy miller,
kelly harrison thorp. and the list is growing. they were girls when row moore immorally pursued them. now they are women, witness to us all of his disturbing conduct. will they make his abuser a u.s. senator? >> powerful question. march denies the allegations of misconduct in a local tv interview last night, his first in days, he portrayed himself as a staunch advocate for women and children. >> we're talking about women's rights here. who stands for women's rights? those that stand for transgender rights and same-sex marriage? that's undermining women. and that's a volley, children's rights. and i believe in those things. >> in the 24 hours since the president of the united states took the extraordinary step of backing an accused child molester for the u.s. senate, we've learned more about how the president got to that point. top among his motivations, according to reports, were the parallels between moore's situation and his own after the "access hollywood" video surfaced, when the president himself was accused of
nonconsensual sexual conduct of over a dozen women on the record. like moore, trump denies all the allegations against him, which might explain this. >> he totally denies it. he says it didn't happen. and, you know, you have to listen to him also. you're talking about, he says 40 years ago, this did not happen. so, you know. >> there seems to be another kind of identification at work here, similar to what we saw in the president's response to the white supremacist violence in charlottesville last august. both cases, roy moore and charlottesville, presented an easy opportunity for the president to show moral leadership, to denounce in one case a white supremacist who had murdered a girl, a woman. and in the other, an alleged child molester. but in both cases, the president has deferred instead to the sympathies of his political base. and he's now giving moore the same benefit of the doubt he famously gave to the men who marched with torches. >> you had some very bad people in that group. but you also had people that
were very fine people, on both sides. >> very fine people. but not everyone gets that same benefit of the doubt, you see, as nbc's benji sarlen astutely points out. trump insisted the central park five were guilty after they were exonerated by dna evidence and a confession. but roy moore totally denies it is good enough for the u.s. senator. that gets through this perception of law and order. the president claims that moore's opponent, doug jones, who successfully prosecuted those responsible for the birmingham church bombing that killed four little girls, that that doug jones is soft on crime. doug jones, and not the candidate who is accused of preying on teenage girls. >> we do not need somebody that's going to be bad on crime, bad on borders, bad with the military, bad for the second amendment. i can tell you, you don't need somebody who's soft on crime like jones. >> not 24 hours later, the president was on twitter, threatening an african-american man with up to ten years in prison for shoplifting. he's been attacking lavar ball,
the father of one of the ucla basketball players recently detained in china for shoplifting for failing to thank the president sufficiently for intervening on the players' behalf. this morning the president tweeted, it wasn't the white house, it wasn't the state department, it wasn't father lavar's so-called people on the ground in china that got his son out of a long-term prison sentence, it was me! too bad. just think, lavar, you could have spent the next five to ten years on thanksgiving with your son in china, but no nba contract to support you. but remember, lavar, shoplifting is not a small thing, especially in china. it's a big deal. ungrateful fool. michelle is columnist for "the new york times". it seems to be everything you need to know about the president's theory of the law, the theory of justice and theory of law and order and crime and all of that is there contained in the 12 hours that he essentially endorses roy moore against doug jones and rants at lavar ball about his son's shoplifting. >> right, on the one hand, it is
shocking to see the president of the united states stick up for somebody who is almost certainly is a child molester, who at the very least has admitted to pursuing teenage girls when he was in his 30s, albeit with their parent's permission. but like you said, everything -- it's of a piece with the defense of white supremacists in charlottesville. and i think that the only question that donald trump asks himself, when he decides who to support is, do these people support me? are they on my side? do they show me the right kind of gratitude and deference? and the other questions, i don't think he even grapples with them. i would be surprised if he gives it any thought at all, whether he really thinks that he's done these things, roy moore. i think it's an irrelevance to him. >> but there's a larger thing happen. first of all, i totally agree with that. there's this headline about trump infuriated after backing luther strange. he felt he already got burned in this race by getting on the wrong side of his base once.
but there is also to me the fact that he -- it's not just him, there are people who are currently working overtime in alabama to justify their support for roy moore. i mean, you really got to take a step back. this is a guy we saw in the interview, family values, family integrity, the integrity of women and children because of bathroom bills and gay marriage. it is remarkable to watch an entire structural of ideology built around the sanctity of family and purity and protection come behind this individual. >> well, right. i think on the one hand, it shows how rickety it is and how situational it is and to some extent, the -- there are two things that i think are fundamental here, right? there's both race and the fact that roy moore, you know, in addition to being a three accurate, is also somebody who opposed taking segregationist language out of the alabama constitution, who just the other day was talking about alabama being on the right side of the civil war.
and so -- and who believes in patriarchy, for lack of a better word. who believes in the subordination of women. and i think all these other issues are just sort of embroideries on that. and we see how quickly people are willing to let them go when these two fundamentals are at stake. >> yeah, that's what is being fought for. i want to ask you a follow up about al franken. we had you on the program when the first allegation by leeann tweednessnes surfaced. "the huffington post" reporting tonight, two more women accused senator al franken of inappropriate touching. you had called on him to resign after the first allegation, i just wanted to get your response. >> you know, i've gone back and forth on this. >> you struggled with it on the program. >> i struggled with it in realtime, right after i published this piece, and then thought, maybe this is the wrong thing. and it's not that i necessarily think that grabbing someone's butt means that you should then
be banished from public life, but as much as i thought, do democrats really want to be defending this, particularly when there's probably going to be more and we could just kind of caterize the wound and draw a line in the sand and be the non-groping party. but at the same time, i did struggle with it, because i do think that we are conflating at of different -- >> behaviors. >> right, grabbing someone on the butt is not the same as taking a 14-year-old girl to the woods and taking all her clothes off. >> after you've picked her up at her mother's custody hearing. >> so i am really uncomfortable with the way a whole bunch of different stuff is being mashed together in this current reckoning. but i also just -- i mean, it's so disappointing to have to, as, you know, as a kind of liberal woman, to have to split hairs over how much butt grabbing is okay. >> right. i mean, the details in the huff
post story is that one of these alleged incidences, which i should say, the senator says it's hard to react to anonymous accusations -- >> which is a legitimate, that is a legitimate -- >> and they're anonymous. the names are not given. but after a performance of a feminist choir at a women's political event, to speak to your point. michelle goldberg, have a great thanksgiving. >> thank you, you too. >> michael eric dyson is a author of "tears we cannot stop" and sabrina siddiqui, politics reporter for "the guardian." and michael, i wanted to ask you about your reaction to the -- within this short span of time, the president attacking doug jones as soft on crime, and then berating lavar ball about his son's is shoplifting and how it's a serious crime and gets ten years in china. and what that -- what that communicates to you. >> ungrateful negroes. you can never do enough for you people to make you appreciate what i, the leader of the free world, have done for you.
it's a stand-in argument. it's a substitute argument for a general malaise when it comes to race in america. if black people -- colin kaepernick's, why aren't you being grateful for the opportunity to do what you do and ply your wares as an athlete in this country. this ungrateful negrotude is said to be characteristic of african-american people. and when you think about it across the board, what he's saying to lavar ball, blowhard that he is, that you are not sufficiently to me. and he used don king as a figure. no black person is good enough to rise above donald trump's assault. and no black person will ever have his word taken for granted. look, he's taking roy moore's word for granted. i think barack obama said, hey, i'm a citizen of the united states america. his word wasn't good enough. i think his vicious racial politics are pretty clear here. >> that's a very good point. that he did not believe the president about his place of birth, or the document about his birth certificate.
but if roy moore says, i did not try to sexually assault the 16-year-old girl who talked about it at the time contemporaneously or try to molest the 14-year-old girl, that word is good enough. so there was this fence straddling, this, we're not going to weigh in on this. we don't want to get on the wrong side of our base again, but we don't want to be backing an accused child molester. yesterday, he said, i'll let you know. what do you think they're going to do? >> well, i think that they might not put the president out there campaigning for roy moore, but e effectively gave him his endorsement. and the truth here is that for all the political calculations that may have been transpiring behind the scenes, once again, the president, donald trump, has revealed who he really is. and what he really thinks. and, you know, when he's saying, for example, about doug jones, roy moore's opponent, that he's soft on crime, we know that what
that is is, you know, a throwaway line that really gets at trump's perception of so-called black crime. when he says that he's weak on the border, we know that that feeds into trump's message that it really is rooted in the illegal immigrants. and he can have gotten in a dig at muslims as well. this message is tried and tested, very much at the heart of his campaign. and one year out, when you look at his support for someone like roy moore, there really shouldn't be any doubt, that as much as republicans try to say this isn't the party of trump and this isn't the party of roy moore, it very much is. and you'll have more and more candidates like roy moore who were once on the fringe who are now a part of the republican mainstream. even if he loses, he's probably the first in a string of primary challengers who are going to come up and probably put a run on so-called trumpism and really leave republicans with no choice but to support them. >> michael, i was reminded of this tweet from the virginia -- >> the president has this theme.
he talks about tough on crime or weak on crime. meanwhile, we should note his former campaign manager has been indicted on 12 counts, along with his associate. the president doesn't seem that upset about those alleged crimes. but the president said this during the virginia race, ed gillespie will turn the really bad virginia economy numbers around and fast. second sentence is, strong on crime, he might even save our great statues' heritage. it seems like there's a lot of subtext there. >> yeah, except the text ain't so sub. the reality is is that it's a pretext and a context for bigotry here. this is a president who rises every morning to excrete the fee ces of his moral depravity. this is a man who doesn't understand the difference between right and wrong and who doesn't care. so for him, race trumps everything. and in this case, sending these dog whistles out there, suggesting that the statues are part of our heritage, it's a false argument. when people say, these statues
are part of our heritage, yes, but your heritage is bigotry. the civil war was not fought in regard to race and slavery, it was fought for state's right. the state's right to do what? own slaves. this is a manipulation of history. we live in the united states of anesthesia. donald trump is one of the greatest amnesiacs alive. and yet he's able to join anesthesia and nostalgia for a way of life that passed long ago and now the white supremacists are trying to revive and donald trump is their greatest champion and they give extra points to him, because he doesn't quite explicitly say it, he just signifies. he's in the realm of inference and that means you can have plausible deniability. what do you mean? that's no what i was saying, i didn't mean that at all. >> what strikes me with the roy moore situation, roy moore is not subtext. he said last night that alabama always stands, whether it's a civil war or civil rights, you know, you can understand what he means there, that this is -- this is the trump era, which is the dog whistle got very loud. the subtext has turned into
text, and roy moore embodies that. and ultimately, roy moore's defeat or victory strikes me, a defining moment for the future of how many more donald trumps we're going to have. what do you think? >> absolutely. i think that's the point that i was trying to make is that, you know, we're talking right now about roy moore, but he's probably the first among many similar candidates who will not only be backed by someone like steve bannon, but potentially also by donald trump. why the republicans in washington like it or not. and i think it's also important to remember that we're talking about the sexual assault allegations, which obviously are front and center now, in the alabama senate race, even before that, it's almost now an afterthought that roy moore once said that homosexuality should be illegal. and that he suggested that a muslim should not be allowed to serve in congress. and republicans were actually still willing to support him, despite that. which tells you where they are, as a party. i mean, every candidate is not necessarily going to be an accused child molester. but they're certainly going to potentially have a history of making comments that are either
explicitly racist, or at a minimum, dog whistles. >> or kicked off the supreme court twice by his conservative republican colleagues for disobeying federal law in violation of the constitution. michael eric dyson and sabrina siddiqui, thank you both. still to come, my colleague, lawrence o'donnell on the president's declaration to stand by an accused child molester. and tonight, there are reports that robert mueller is focusing hard on the president's son-in-law jared kushner and his interaction with foreign leaders. that story in two minutes.
the investigation of special counsel robert mueller appears to be zeroing in on the president's son-in-law and senior adviser, jared kushner. according to the "wall street journal," mueller's investigators are asking questions about jared kushner's interactions with foreign leaders during the presidential transition. that's shaping up to be an interesting period of time for kushner, since it was also during the transition that kushner set up a secret trump tower meeting with russian ambassador, sergey kislyak, and discussed setting up a back channel communications between the trump transition team and the russian government, according to u.s. intercepts of
russian communications. kushner also met during the transition with sergey gorkov, the head of a sanctioned russian bank, and kushner initially omitted more than 100 foreign contacts from a security clearance form under penalty of perjury. it is also the case that trump's national security adviser, michael flynn, lied to the fbi and others about his own discussion of sanctions against russia with the russian ambassador during the transition. it's possible mueller's team and federal prosecutor renato mariotti joins me now. people always throw around the logan act. it's the violation of the logan act, because private citizens essentially cannot conduct foreign policy. >> right. >> the counter to that is that this is a very, very, very rarely used statute. i think no one's been prosecuted under it in years and years and years. what do you make of the criminal exposure here? >> well, i think that it's much more likely for the reason you just said, chris, that kushner
is going to be charged with either making deliberate omissions from his disclosure forms or potentially making a false statement to congress. so those are crimes that are charged pretty often. and i think, you know, kushner's defense and the omissions is just, hey, there was a mistake. you know, we slipped up. there's been a number of back and forth drafts, we deliberately were planning to add stuff later. and, you know, i think more and more, the fact that there are just numerous contacts that are popping up, that is going to make it harder for kushner to explain away, not including that information on the form. and then you talked about that meeting with the head of the russian bank. well, you know, that was sympathetic he discussed with congress. and so i would expect mueller to be matching up very closely what he said to congress, with, you know, the facts and the evidence that he has, to see whether or not kushner was telling the truth. >> so here's an interesting
tidbit from that "wall street journal" story. it's broader than russia. the investigators have asked witness questions about the involvement of mr. kushner in a controversy over u.n. resolution passed december 23rd that condemned israel's construction of settlements in disputed territories. and that relates to essentially the trump administration in waiting, kind of conducting their own parallel foreign policy. do you think that's part of a broader investigation to sort of establish what if any channels they had with russia during that moment, as well? >> i think that's very possible. and certainly, as we -- as we know, there have been, you know, allegations that there were discussions between members of the trump campaign and russia, regarding certain foreign policy decisions. obviously, towards the ukraine and the gop platform, and then, of course, the russian lawyer, all of that according to bloomberg, alleged that trump jr. mentioned in a meeting that they would reconsider lifting sanctions. so i would expect that, you know, anything that kushner's directly involved in relating to
foreign policy, is going to be something mueller will look at, because, you know, he'll want to establish why it was that kushner omitted names from that disclosure form. >> the other person who just keeps coming up, it seems to me, is don jr. obviously, don jr. play ascii key role in the trump tower meeting. when offered dirt from the russian government, he says, if it's what you say it is, i love it. particularly later in the summer. he's also the person who we know now has established going back and forth with wikileaks, despite repeated denials by mbs members of the campaign that any of that was happening. and he met with alexander torshin at an nra event. torshin had been trying to set up a meeting with then-candidate donald trump but then set up a meeting with trump's son. he ended up meeting with don jr. do you think that brings junior some exposure? >> well, for sure. look, mueller's going to be looking at all of these meetings between donald trump jr. and
various russians and it is interesting, as you're pointing out, chris, i think you're right on the right track, it seems like essentially the son is a stand-in for the father. and as we know from those wikileaks conversations that you referred to, essentially, you know, wikileaks or julian assange or whoever was running that account was passing information to trump jr. and it appeared that he was communicating with hope hicks, who is somebody who is a conduit to trump himself. and trump is tweeting about the very things that wikileaks is passing. you know, so whatever trump jr. is being told, i would expect mueller to be asking a lot of questions of trump jr. about what exactly hays telling his father. >> it's a good point. anything that goes to trump jr., like, what is a plausibility that doesn't go to the candidate himself, to the man who is now president, to the man who has the same name, who is his father. if anyone can get information to the principle of the campaign, it's the candidate's father. what do you do when the person rambling on the other end of the phone is the president.
democratic senator tom carper went on national television today and made some news, telling a story about president trump calling into a meeting on tax cuts involving democratic senators and members of the trump administration, including white house chief economic adviser, gary cohn. >> gary gets up and takes a call on his cell phone, comes back into the room and he says, we have somebody calling in from asia. and it was the president. which was nice. nice of him to do that. 15 minutes later, the president is still talking. and we -- i said to gary, it was a room where we're all sitting around this big square table, and i said, gary, why don't you do this.
why don't you just take the phone from, you know, your cell phone back and just say, mr. president, you're brilliant! but we're losing contact and i think we're going to lose you now, so good-bye. and that's what he did and then we went back to having the kind of conversation that we needed to. >> are you saying that gary cohn faked a bad connection to get the president off the phone? >> well, i wouldn't -- i don't want to throw him under the bus, but, yes. >> i don't want to throw him under the bus, but that's exactly what he did. two sources who were in the room tell nbc news that they do not recall cohn faking a bad connection to get off the call and carper's office is now backing off that claim. but most everyone agrees that the president rambled for so long that they got uncomfortable and wanted the call end to so they could get back to work. >> it was a long call. there was clear that there was some eagerness in the room for us to resume our conversation. we heard a lot from the president. it was a challenge to transition him off the call. >> a challenge to transition him off the call. use that the next time you want to use a euphemism for hanging
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revealed something shocking. facebook allowed advertisers to target quote jew haters among other anti-semitic categories. >> somebody sent me a screen shot of the ad-buying platform with the words "jew hater" and showed that you could buy them. and i thought it was probably a hoax, so i went online and looked and it did seem to be there. but then i thought, well, it's probably a bug. so i'll try to buy one and it won't go through, but then i bought one and it went through, bought another one, it went through, then bought a third one and it went through. and i called facebook and said, why are you selling the ability to target your ads at jew-haters. >> good question. last year propublica successfully submitted an ad to facebook's housing categories that included a request that the ad not be shown to african-american, asian-american, or hispanic people. the revelation that people could essentially target their ads to whites only wasn't just a black eye for facebook, it was an
apparent violation of the federal fair housing act, which explicitly bans discrimination in housing ads. in wake of that story, facebook vowed to step up enforcement of its prohibition on housing discrimination and ads. but it didn't seem to work very well, because propublica is now out with a new investigation. now here is propublica senior record, julia angwin. so you went back at it. they were supposed to fix it. what did you do and what did you find? >> so we bought the same ads that we bought last year, actually. the ones that violated the fair housing law, a rental property available for people, but excluding african-americans from seeing the ad. and it sailed through their system. so we tried a couple other things. people in wheelchairs, blind people, hispanic people, everything sailed through. and turns out they maybe didn't fix it. >> okay, so just to be clear, the fair housing act is really clear on this, because people would often do this, right. it was a key driver of housing
discrimination. they would target ads, sometimes use code words, sometimes be explicit. the fair housing act says you can't do that. you can't advertise a rental property and say, we're looking for people that aren't in a wheelchair. that's explicitly against the law. and facebook has a platform where you can easily, seamlessly violate the law, is what you found? >> yeah, kind of like a dropdown menu for law violation. you choose what you want to exclude in the audience segment and everything is available to you. so you can make sure that those people never see your ads. it's a little weird, though, because you don't write -- you don't have to write "no whites," right? it's just embedded in the ad, but no one would ever know that you did that, unless they had some insight into this. >> that's what's a great point about this. like, if you run an ad in a local paper saying, we won't rent to black people, like someone can circle that ad and send it into the housing -- urban development or department of justice and says, this violates the fair housing act. in this case, you could do this and no one would ever know that
you've done it explicitly in violation of the law. >> right. this is the problem with facebook. is that there's no accountability in the sense that everything is so microtargeted, that the only people who -- well, we don't know yet who saw the russian ads, but the only people who see the things are the people to whom they were argumented. and no one else knows that they didn't see it, right? i could pick up "the wall street journal" and read the ads there. let's say i wanted a higher class of ads than my normal thing, i could do that with a paper, but with facebook, you'll never see it. >> there's another facebook story that's related to that. that they're going to show user which is russian propaganda they followed, which i thought was a hilarious 2017 headline. wouldn't it be hilarious if your entire family turned out to be russian bots. like, all my friends. what are they doing hear and what got them to do this? >> so, the russia story is sort of like the ultimate in the ad-buying problem at facebook. so it's also, by the way,
illegal for foreigners to buy ads in -- >> campaign ads. >> campaign ads. and so it turns out, though, that russia had placed all these ads, not all of them would probably be defined as campaign ads by the fec -- >> but some were. >> some were. and they were definitely political ads and very divisive. and facebook didn't catch them, despite, as al franken said, you know, they were paid for in rubels, but they didn't notice it and now they trying to figure out how to come clean pb so i guess there is the latest effort in transparency, everybody will get to see what propaganda was spread to them. >> they seem to have built a machine. when you say, no one can see it. and one of the things that's been helpful, i read through your reporting and some others is how automated the whole system is. it's like buying something on amazon. like buying an ad is like buying something on amazon. you go through, there's no -- it's just a machine. you're going and filling out a web form. that facebook appears to be partly invisible to itself. is that a fair characterization?
>> i think that's a very good way to describe it. wherever i bring these things to facebook, whether it's the jew hater or the ads, they seem legitimately shocked and they seem to have no idea what's happening on their system. maybe somebody there does. >> it's the largest media company that's ever existed in human history and the largest reach to human eyeballs that has ever been krukconstructed in the history of human beings. >> but their beautiful profit margins are based on the fact that it's all automated. now, they say they're going to double their staff from -- 10,000 people are going to be added like to review ads and human review. we don't know what that's going to look like or whether that's going to make a difference. >> julia angwin, thank you. the state of american politics in a week where the president all but endorses an accused child molester. and next, the president says he'll be spending the weekend having meetings and working the phones, which is totally believable, but also, tonight 's thing one, thing two, next.
thing one tonight, president trump is at his private resort in florida today, mar-a-lago, making this the 99th day he's spent at a trump property since inauguration, 99. on average, president trump has spent one of every three days at a trump-owned property. that's a lot of time, so it can't just be fun and games, right? trump seemed intent on clarifying that point and tweeting shortly before 7:00 a.m., we'll be having meetings and working the phones from the winter white house in florida, mar-a-lago. this morning, the white house press pool was briefed on trump's schedule. according to the first pool note, which was sent out at 7:56 a.m., by deputy press secretary, lindsay walters with, said the president planned to make a number of calls this week, otherwise, she expects a, quote, low-key day. but less than ten minutes later, the white house asked reporters to make a very, very important correction. at 8:06 a.m., this correction was issued. while the white house
communications staff expects the press pool to have a low-key day, the president will not have a low-key day and has a full schedule of meetings and phone calls. got that? no fun and games here. all work. well, about on hour later, 9:15 a.m., trump's motorcade departed mar-a-lago and can you guess where trump was head amidst his busy day of meetings and calls? that's thing two in 60 seconds.
>> it's been a busy day for president trump down at mar-a-lago. he tweeted, 51 million americans to travel this year, @fox news. that's after a fox news anchor made that exact staple, almost word for word, like he's repeating it back to the tv, a holiday travel segment on twitter. the president had been watching trump tv all day. he departed mar-a-lago for his golf course shortly after 9:00 a.m., returned over five hours later. the press pool wasn't told what trump was doing for five hours at the golf course. but it takes about four hours to
play a round of golf. so in addition to today being trump's 99th day at a trump property, it's his 77th day at a trump golf course since becoming president. which i know some people would find outrageous. >> i love golf, but if i were in the white house, i don't think i would ever seen turnburry again. i don't think i would ever see doral again. i own doral at miami. i don't think i would ever see many of the places that i have. i don't think i would see anything. i want to stay in the white house and work my ass off and make great deals, right? who wants to leave? there won't be time to go on vacations. there won't be time to go golfing all the time. i'm not going to play much golf, because there's a lot of work to be done. you need leadership. you can't flay to hawaii to play golf. i don't know where the president was, he wasn't very far away. maybe he was playing golf. obama it was reported today played 250 rounds of golf. obama went golfing every day. let obama go play golf every day. obama plays more golf than professional players in the pga tour! playing a lot of golf. he's played more than most pga touring professionals play. more than a guy who plays ones
the pga tour. plays more golf. pga tour. pga tour. i mean, this guy. golf, golf, golf, golf, golf. more, more. learning how to chip, learning how to hit the drive, learning how to putt. oh, it more. if you become president and you go to the white house, why would you want to leave the white house? when you're in the white house, who the hell wants to play golf? who wants to leave the white house?! how the hell do you leave for three weeks to play golf? if i get elected president, i'm going to be in the white house a lot. i'm not leaving. i'm going to be working for you. i'm not going to have time to go play golf. believe me.
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to the point of expelling moore from the senate. joined by host of msnbc's "the last word" and author of "playing with fire." i just read the first two chapters of the book, which are excellent. want to get you on that. but start on moore. what are they going to do if he wins? >> i think he will be expelled. >> really think so? >> senate can expel anyone they want at any time. no judicial review of that. can't take the case to the supreme court. it's completely up to the senate. and bob packwood faced expulsion and resigned the senate in early '90s because of an investigation for much, much less than what roy moore is accused of here. far less.
and the case of roy moore with the minor would be heard by the ethics committee, probably in a public hearing. she has in effect testified publicly now at the "today" show. so i don't see any reason why the ethics committee wouldn't have the hearing be public. this is what mitch mcconnell knows. he was running the ethics committee during the investigation of bob packwood. wasn't a single republican supporting senator packwood as that investigation unfolded. and when that started, was not a member of the senate who thought he was in serious trouble, not one thought he would be expelled or forced to resign. so think this one is really a very clear case. ethics committee start work probably day after he was sworn in. >> do you think they would -- my question, is appetite for the fight and expenditure of the political capital it would take.
>> there's no real fight about these things. ethics committee is bipartisan, only committee with equal number from both parties. tends to be populated by the more reasonable people of both parties. so -- and there are no supporters of roy moore in the senate, none. it would be -- i can't imagine what resistance would be to the ethics committee doing this. >> there's also now the case of senator al franken, two more accusers of him essentially groping them in photo op. unnamed women in huffington post, and of course the settlement against john conyers, two separate settlements. what do you think is developing here for the mode that congress in this moment, in the post weinstein, #metoo moment is going to do to handle these investigations? >> if this was congress controlled by democratic party
would see immediately a move to change procedures and rules. would be responsive to this, having seen their system calcify over time to point of being sfunksal on this kind of thing. republicans are not responsive to this sort of thing. modern republican party does not immediately respond to what we would call public pressure to clean up their interact this territory. any changes in procedure in how this is handled is completely up to the republicans. paul ryan and mitch mcconnell. they have to convince their members to vote on rules and procedure changes within their own bodies. democrats can't do it, can't fix this. people in control of congress can fix it. >> number of democratic members of congress who called on conyers to be stripped of leadership position or resign completely. a number of them today.
talk p the state of the tax bill. i have hard time getting read on it but you always have a good read on it. >> i used to write tax bills in senate finance committee and easiest thing you could predict was passage of a tax cut. easiest thing to do. >> should be a gimme. >> and republicans in the past have always picked up significant number of democratic votes. democratic senators and house members who have to get on board politically if it's a tax cut. that's why it's striking to see not a single democratic vote in the senate finance committee or the house. this one is in trouble and i've never seen tax cut bill in trouble. my predictive capacity couldn't be weaker under these circumstances. of course never seen a president pushing it with the kind of
erratic nonsense that donald trump does, where he attacks jeff flake, who i needs as vote on the bill. this defies predictive capacity, especially using old models. >> you wrote a book about 1968, what is crazier year? >> in terms of presidential elections, 1968 was more dramatic and chaotic. 2016, you had absolutely standard campaign with the exception of one extremely erratic and eccentric candidate. but every other piece of the campaign operated according to the manual that was designed and set in cement in 1968. had assassinations of martin luther king and bobby kennedy, the president drop out of the race. the event of any campaign year.
>> "playing with fire," lawrence will be back here with last word in exactly one hour. that's all for "all in" this evening. rachel maddow is up now. we have news on the russia front tonight. for starters, what really happened in that oval office meeting with donald trump, the two sergeis and only russian media on hand? new details from "vanity fair" tonight on that controversial encounter. plus a one time business associate of mike flynn now a subject of the mueller investigation. the reporter who broke that story with us tonight. and trump spent nearly five hours at his golf club today, but the white house did not want us to refer to as a low-key day for the president. "the 11th hour" on thanksgiving eve begins now. and on this wednesday night good evening once again from our nbc headquarters here in new york. day 307 of the trump administration. and as the president begins his thanksgiving holiday, there is news tonight on key players and events i