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i'm david gura at msnbc headquarters in new york. on a weekend in this millions of americans have traveled for the holiday, president trump is in familiar territory -- his own property. the president spending this morning at his golf resort in west palm beach, florida. he's visited his properties 102 days he's been in office. kelly o'donnell joins us live from west palm beach. how has the president spent this saturday thus far? >> well, no public events on the president's schedule today. he went to the west palm beach version of his trump national golf course. there's multiple ones here in florida. spent about six hours on the ground. white house officials haven't said what he was doing. you might presume it's golf, but they haven't officially told us that.
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he does travel frequently to properties that bear his name. other presidents also have engaged in recreation in the past but they didn't have named properties like this president does. it has been a mix of work and holiday during his days here, arriving on tuesday night. the president on friday had some, what we call foreign leader calls, contacting the presidents of turkey and egypt, having some conversations there. some other work's gone on behind the scenes, but this is a weekend and a holiday weekend and the president was out and about for several hours with the press pool traveling with him. he's now back at mar-a-lago, a home where he's spent many of his thanksgivings, long before he was a candidate, or certainly the president, over the years. >> let me ask you about what the president faces when he gets back to washington, d.c. there's some confusion about who is will be in charge of the consumer financial bureau. a pretty new agency. what's the white house saying about who is going to be helming that organization come monday
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morning? >> richard cordray submitted his resignation and there are political overtones to that because he's returning to ohio to run for governor. john kasich's time will be up. there's the tie between cordray and barack obama. during his presidency, this agency was created. it's tied to the obama legacy and we've seen how time and time again the trump administration, the president, has picked away at aspects of the obama policy and legacy politically, for reasons that apply to different things. and in this instance, the director of the office of management and budget, mick mulvaney, has been named by the white house to fill in for cordray. the complication is that cordray named his own deputy to be the interim chief. the white house is saying it has the priority to do this. of course it's a senate confirmable position, so there will be an official named
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appointment later and it will go through that process, but there is a tug of war over who should be in charge right now. and it's against that backdrop of what that agency does, which is intended to try to protect consumers from some of the pitfalls, especially the financial crisis of 2008. some republicans and certainly the director of management and budget have been critical of that agency, saying it has interfered with commerce and business too much. so a real political divide that would be part of the future of that agency as the trump administration tries to put his own imprint on a part of the obama policy legacy. david? >> kelly, thank you very much. >> joining me now, former white house had to president h.w. bush joe watson and professor at the university of texas, victoria defrancesco. victoria, they're reporting from nearby president trump's resort in florida. what do you make of the time he's spent there?
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i ran through the figures. the many dozens of days he's spent at trump properties during the first 309 days. what does that say about this administration thus far? >> president trump has always been proud and bold about his association with the trump en r enterprises. if anything, we could say that helped him get to the white house because he had that celebrity name, that brand name, that trump. so even as president, he continues to build on that. and then the other thing about it, he owns it. he doesn't shy away from it or feel guilty. he says, i'm working, i'm relaxing, doing the work of the people, so let me be up. and his base likes that aspirational branding that's tied to the trump name. >> joe, in light of what we see, the president scheduled to travel to capitol hill to talk about tax reform, is he at all handicapped not being in
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washington during in interim, not meeting with folks in washington, d.c.? he traveled to asia as well when there was debate over tax reform as well. >> well, it really helps for a president to spend times talking to members of congress when they want to get important legislation through. at least the leadership needs to be in lock step with them, and counting how many votes they have to get pass the measure, get it through both the house and the senate have to reconcile. so it's an important time for the president. he's spent about a third of his time on his own properties, but at the end of the day, he has to worry that perhaps folks will figure out how much money it cost taxpayers for him to be traveling that much outside of the white house. to spend a third of his time at trump properties, he did so at the cost to taxpayers. so he's going to have to worry about that going forward, that he's not costing taxpayers lots and lots of money. but at the end of the day he needs to spend that time with congress, to try to get approval
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on that letiogislation. and it's not a slam dunk that he's going to get it. >> let me ask you about the financial bureau. what's the best course forward here for the president, for this agency as well? it sounds like there's going to be a lot of legal wrangling here. senator elizabeth warren posting on twitter the legal statute indicating that richard cordray was right in appointing someone to take over for him. why doesn't the president just name someone permanently to the position? >> i think the president wants to make his own mark on that agency, but at the end of the day, i think the law is what really matters. and according to dodd/frank, i believe the deputy director automatically becomes the acting director. so i think that senator warren is right. that the acting director that's been named is the person that should be leading the agency going forward. but the lawyers will sort that all out, or the courts will sort that out for us.
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but at the end of the day, i think america has benefitted by having a strong consumer protection agency. certainly there's some people in business that feel it hinders what financial institutions can do, but it's a net plus for the consumer to have that agency in place to protect the interest of consumers. >> victoria, is this going to diminish the power of that agency, or do we have enough people in that organization that it's going to run as it's been running, and this will play out on the sides? >> i think this tug-of-war, in and of itself hampers the potential work of this bureau. but the bigger picture is the fact that the interim leader, at least from the trump white house, mulvaney that has been named, has been quoted as saying that the consumer protection financial bureau is the worst entity, the worst type of government entity. so he's against the very bureau that he's being named to, if he does end up getting seated. and i think it's funny how we've seen a history of president
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trump naming folks to positions who have been opposed to those positions. so rick perry who wanted to do away with the secretary of energy is now our energy secretary. and so folks who are against the very thing they're being named to, does not bode well for the agency. so if mulvaney sticks as the interim director, i don't think we see a strong path forward for the consumer financial protection bureau. >> what are the conversation you have with students who are thinking about public service? there's that piece about the state department and how hollowed out it's become, what diminished future a lot of career members of the government have as a result of it. what do you tell them about the prospects for working in the federal government at this point? >> well, you hit a nerve there. because a number of students from the lbj school end up going into the state department. so there has been a lot of concern, a lot of worry about
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this track that is traditionally one of the strongest one the at u.t. and for many schools across the country. what we're seeing and what i'm working with the students on and alternative paths. how can we effect policy and good government from other directions? looking at a lot of other think-tanks, more ngos. maybe d.c. right now is in the midst of turmoil, but how else can we keep moving forward to shape public affairs for the good of society. >> joe, i have to ask about this tweet, "time" magazine called to say that i was probably going to be named man/person of the year like last year, but i would have to agree to an interview and a major photo shoot. i took a pass. i think this president has a very strong sense of the power of social media. what do you make about what he's tweeting about? how he's using this bully pulpit
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2.0? >> well, he uses the tweet certainly to drive the stories of the day. and obviously, whatever the president says is something that everybody has to take notice of. so if he tweets something about "time" magazine naming him the man of the year, the person of the year, that's a story that's gotta be tended to and of course it's going to involve a remark back from "time" magazine, as it got from a number of people, including former employees of "time" magazine, stating that's not the way they choose their person of the year. so he makes it a story and he ends up driving the news of the day. the same is true of the fights that he's picked with the nfl and the father of the ucl basketball players who were caught shoplifting in china. he picks those fights purposely and most of them are meant to appease the base for the most part. by calling lavar bell ungrateful, that really is meant to appease the base that the father of that black basketball player is not grateful to the
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president for having gotten his son out of china without having to spend prolonged time in jail there. this is what he does, ask he's skillful at it, but it doesn't really move the country forward. i think that the president's anger is better used against somebody like the person who drove their car in charlottesville, into the people who are protesting against white nationalists and killed a woman and injured a bunch of folks. he should be angry at that kind of person, as opposed to spending his time beating up lavar bell. >> is there collateral damage, about him driving the story or the joke of the day as well? we saw some celebrities weighing in, julia louie dreyfuss saying "new york times" called to say i was probably going to be named comedian of the year, but i said probably is no good, and took a pass. andy murray weighing in as well. there's a danger to this backfiring, isn't there? >> there is. but i also do think that there's a calculation, a very keen
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calculation on the president's part, but he knows this is cat nip for his detractors. he's able to drive the media. and at the same time, it really isn't a loss for him. in terms of, his base is going to believe him and if anything, they'll get further angered at the liberal media bias that's pushing up against trump and saying that he lied. so what does he have to lose in this? he boasts himself and we know that the president trump has a tad bit of narcissism in him. he plays off that, gets the detractors riled up and the base pumped up, to me it's a win-win for trump. even though the larger loser is the country, when we should be focusing on a lot more important things, both in terms of what we're talking about in the media and also what we're working on, what our legislators are working on. as we talked about, we have a big tax bill coming up, we should be focused on that. >> thank you both very much. still ahead, stumping
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the house will vote next week on requiring anti-harassment and anti-discrimination training for all members and their staffs in light of recent sexual misconduct allegations. al franken and john conyers are
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among those accused of sexual misconduct. in alabama, roy moore continues to deny the allegations against him as he runs against democrat doug jones. let's go to auburn, alabama. vaughn hillyard is there for the big game this afternoon. i know doug jones has been speaking out. he's an alabama alumnist. what did he have to say? >> reporter: yeah, this is the iron bowl, alabama v. auburn. quen 87,000 people have packed into the game. kickoff is in 15 minutes. we were here 15 days out from the special election to ask them, where they were, doug jones or roy moore. i asked about charles barkley, an alabama native who i talked to earlier this morning, and he called roy moore a white supremacist, i asked doug jones about the comments and whether
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he agreed, as well as the sexual assault allegations. >> i've told the media i'm not going to call people names. that's not my style. we're going to talk about issues. what i want to do is applaud the women coming forward. they're very courageous, they're stepping up, they're believable and we'll deal with that once i get up there. >> reporter: doug jones said he's not going to name-call, he's not going to buy in necessarily into charles barkley's line about white supremacists. roy moore, on the other hand, this is day nine of him missing from the public spotlight today. he's not at the game today. >> let me ask you how the polls are narrowing. where do voters in alabama stand at this point, vaughn? >> it's really tough. the polling is up and down. it's skewed, i mean, because alabama hasn't had a competitive race in quite some time. we talked to republicans here,
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there are some insisting they'll vote for roy moore, others are switching to doug jones, others don't know what they're going to do. here's some that we were talking to earlier today. >> roy moore. >> sticking with him? >> sticking with him. >> despite the allegations? >> despite the allegations. >> is he going to win this race? >> yes, he is. >> doug jones. >> why? i tell you what, because he ain't no liar like roy moore is. >> do you usually vote democrat? >> no, i generally vote republican. >> really? this time, you're not voting for the republican? >> no. >> very, very difficult to answer that. i don't have an answer yet. i'm not sure which way i'll go. >> you usually vote republican? >> absolutely. >> this time it's not for sure? >> no, it's not. >> would you be willing to vote for doug jones? >> i'm considering. >> reporter: this race is on december 12th, 17 days out. doug jones will be holding a campaign event in birmingham
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tomorrow. roy moore, on the other hand, we'll be seeing him for the first time on monday, up in ft. payne -- which state, we're alabama here, this will be his first event in ten days. >> vaughn hillyard there in auburn, alabama, ten minutes away from kickoff at the big game. >> president and ceo of the foundation for women is with me here in new york. let me ask you your sense of how this is all ringing out. we've had this compressed, dynamic conversation about sexual harassment in many industries. what do you make of how it's affecting voters in alabama in particular? >> i think we're at a point where the conversations around sexual harassment and assault are in the media constantly. i think actually the roy moore situation is a little bit different because we are talking about child sexual abuse. and we need to make sure that we understand there's a distinction when you're talking about young girls and young women as opposed to adults. nonetheless, it's a crime and he needs to deal with that and the
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citizens of alabama need to be able to ask themselves the questions and be able to hold each other accountable for the outcomes of that election. >> we were talking a few moments ago with another guest about the trepidation that democrats at a national level feel about getting involved in this race in alabama. we saw the president support roy moore in recent days. there's a new report on "the new york times" indicating that the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell tried to encourage the president not to do that, not to stand by roy moore and he didn't. what do you make of the level of engagement we're seeing between the president and the republican candidate for senate in alabama? >> the president, it's a hard case for him. we actually have a president in the white house right now who has a history of he, himself, having allegations of sexual abuse and harassment, we heard the tapes that were put out. and if he's going to stand behind roy moore, that's an example in this country that people need to remember as they move forward in the next election cycle.
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>> how do you -- you have a president who is now calling into the question of authenticity of those tapes, who's calling into question some of the allegations that have been made against roy moore. how do you combat that, as this conversation continues about sexual harassment broadly in this country? >> you know what, i'm not going to get into a debate about how to combat it, because the reality is, we need to have more training about what is sexual harassment and what is sexual assault. we need to tell more stories and we need to start believing women. this is not the first time in our history where we're seeing this kind of behavior. people in power have consistently abused their power and sexual abuse is one way of that abuse happening. and we've seen it and see it and see it and see it. now we're at a time where we cannot deny the stories in front of us by both men and women about their stories of sexual assault and abuse and harassment that are taking place. >> you look at what's happening on capitol hill, there's going to be a vote later this week,
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that would increase the amount of training people would have to have. what more can there be? >> i think what's interesting, washington, d.c. is just getting there. in many state capitals across the country, you are seeing this training already already taken place. these laws are already in place. it at least lays the ground for a common state of language that needs to be used and a common understanding of what behavior will be acceptable and it basically says that congress is no longer, "boys will be boys in the way they behave." it's not necessarily a policy conversation we need to be having. it's a conversation around respect and it's a broader conversation that needs to take place around society's assumptions and masculinity and what's acceptable behavior and respect for women. >> are you satisfied that it's happening amongst men and women? you have ivanka trump who is the president's daughter and a senior adviser to him, speaking
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about what happened with roy moore. sa said, do you believe this, mr. trump asked -- she advocated for something her father ended up doing. is this your sense that it's a conversation happening with both sexes? >> that's a really great question. i'm not sure that men are having this conversation as vehemently as women have been having this conversation for many, many years we've talked about how we should protect ourselves in areas and spaces where we can. i say all the time to my husband, if men were to organize around sexual harassment the way they organized around professional football, we would be seeing a very different conversation, and it's about time that men actually need to partner in this, continuously and for a long time. this can't be just a blip on the radar screen. it's gotta be an ongoing conversation about what we expect from men in their behavior and what is the right
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of passage for men and at what point we want to start that conversation, when boys are little. >> how do we continue that conversation? it's not just happening in this cauldron, it's not a flash in the pan and then dissipates, how do you keep the conversation continuous? >> i think it's going, i hope, i think it's going to continue, at the end of the day. i think we're at a different point where this behavior is not acceptable. and there are a group of young men and more men that are having conversations around what is acceptable today. the congresswoman was right, what was acceptable ten years ago is not acceptable today. the violation of one's space is not acceptable today. we need to extend this conversation, not to those who are privileged and if they tell and lose their jobs, it's not the end of the world. we need to extend this conversation to include women of color, lgbt communities who are also being sexually assaulted and harassed in the workplace.
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we need to lift those voices up, continue the conversation and to all be committed to being a little uncomfortable about what this conversation means. >> it then becomes a conversation about statute of limitations -- >> i'm not saying it's acceptable behavior. i'm saying behavior ten years ago may have been acceptable more than it is today. i'm sorry. sexually assaulting and harassing young women and young boys has always been unacceptable in our society and we need to step up and understand that those instances are not going to be reported necessarily when they are happening. we'll be seeing that recirculate itself. there's a conversation goop and it takes a long time for people to be able to tell their story, and we need to support them when they do. still ahead, a sign of cooperation, the move by general michael flynn's attorneys that could be bad news for president trump. that's next.
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let's get to the latest in the russia investigation. another sign that robert mueller is gaining ground, attorneys for trump's former national security adviser, general michael flynn have cut ties with the president's lawyers. it means flynn could be cooperating with mueller or
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negotiating a deal and that would spell trouble for the president. nick ackerman, special watergate prosecutor and law firm partner. nick, let me start with you and just get your reed ad on what t means. how did you process what you saw reported here over the last couple days? >> i think what's going on is that flynn is operating under a standard agreement, joint defense agreement, with the others who are under investigation. and under that standard agreement, once you enter into a agreement with the government, all bets are off. and you have to notify the other lawyers that you're no longer part of the agreement. so i think it's pretty obvious to me that flynn has entered into a cooperation agreement, which means, not only is he cooperating with mueller's group and telling them what he knows, but very likely he's probably also pled guilty or agreed to plead guilty to at least a
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five-year felony. >> danny, let me get your sense, the prosecutorial procedures and what it might tell you. >> i agree with almost everything that was just said. but i think we should consider the possibility that under this particular joint defense agreement or common interest agreement, that this may be a withdrawal from that agreement by flynn, just to enter into negotiations with the prosecution. and to do that, he's going to have to show them that he has information that has value to them. and like all negotiations, they may ultimately break down and flynn may be left outside of this joint defense agreement, without a really good plea agreement with prosecutors. so while it's very possible he's already cooperating, he may also have just withdrawn because he's commencing negotiations. and they may not ultimately end well for him. >> nick, just from that point, when someone like michael flynn does this, how many of his cards does he have to show?
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what does he have to convey to the special prosecutor to get immunity or dispensation from the special investigator? >> i think what he has to show is that he's telling the truth, that the information he has is credible, the prosecutor will be comparing it against what other people have told them. they'll be comparing it against the documents that they know. they're gonna want to get a sense of just how credible a witness he can make, and whether or not he's totally forth coming. the last thing the prosecutor wants to do is enter into a deal with somebody right from the get-go who is not telling the truth. >> let me play a bit of tape here from mike quickly, congressman from illinois. this happens and people wonder about timing. let's listen to what he had to say. >> i suspect there might be 30 or 40 more people that we need to interview before the process is over. we're talking now about mr. kushner coming back to testify in front of our committee.
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that was rushed in the first place at his request, over our objection. clearly we understand if we don't have all the documents, these interviews aren't going to go as well as they should. >> the house intelligence committee mounting his own investigations into russian meddling in the election. where does that stand now? >> the panel, remember, is a totally separate investigation than the mueller investigation. and it exists more in the legislative realm rather than the criminal or prosecutorial realm, but it does tell us that when kushner, it may imply that when kushner first came to speak, he might have rushed that because he wanted to get it over with before the prosecution or the congress had access to more documents. that's just conjecture, but that seems to be what's being implied. the fact that there may be more information and now that kushner may be a more appetizing witness
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or a target in the grand jury investigation, tells us that there must be more information or maybe more information out there that suddenly makes kushner a more interesting person to talk to. >> nick ackerman, a lot of people are saying, look up the food chain. if we see michael flynn doing this, look at who it might affect. how many individuals are above him in the hierarchy? >> certainly the president, for starters. there's also jared kushner. there's ivanka and don junior. and these are all people that he dealt with during the course of the campaign, including even paul manafort. so there are a number of really high level people that michael flynn dealt with, and i think we can be pretty self-assured that flynn would not have done certain things, such as meeting with kislyak, talking with kislyak, without having cleared all of that through the president. i don't think for a moment that he was a free agent doing his
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own thing. ultimately, he was reporting back to somebody and that somebody was the president. >> danny, let me ask you what this means about pardoning. there's been talk about the role michael flynn may have played here, he's involved in the campaign, the early days of this administration, what does this news say about what the president might be thinking about the prospects for pardoning his former national security adviser? >> strangely, the president's option of pardoning any people who are currently being investigated may ultimately backfire on the president himself. in other words, it may not be a good strategy for the president to remove any criminality from these individuals, because then they don't have any fifth amendment barrier and they can be compelled to come in and testify. so strange as it may sound, it may be in the president's best interest to not pardon anybody at all. and ultimately, a pardon by the president only touches federal crimes. it does nothing as to potential state crimes.
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so the pardon power here isn't as powerful as one may think, if it only touches half the universe of crimes that potentially may be charged. >> danny cevallos, and nick ackerman, thank you both. president trump hit the links with some high profile golfing buddies. how much time has president trump spent on his golf game during his first year in office, especially after he was so critical of his predecessor? >> you know what, and i love golf, but if i were in the white house, i don't think i'd ever see turn bury again. i own doral in miami. i don't think i've ever see many of the places that i have. i don't think i'd see anything. i just want to stay in the white house and work my ass off and make great deals. right? who's going to leave?
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president trump has been in florida for the thanksgiving holiday. once again spending his time at a trump property. it's the 1022nd time that trump has stayed at a trump location. he hit the links for a round of golf once again. yesterday he teed off with tiger woods and dustin johnson at the trump national golf club in jupiter. in his first nine months in office, president trump unofficially has logged approximately 60 rounds of golf. that puts him on pace for 80 rounds in his first year as president. by comparison, president obama played about 38 rounds a year
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during his eight years in office and trump often criticized his predecessor for playing too much golf. but trump's golf game didn't take time away from his twitter wars. he announced that he passed on being named "time" magazines man of the year. in response the publication says the president is incorrect. ethics lawyer under george w. bush and msnbc contributor. jason, you have commented widely about the president spending time at trump properties over the course of the first year of his presidency. what's the recourse that taxpayers have who are upset about the amount of time he's spending at resorts that his company owns? >> it's the amount of time, the cost of the security detail and the transportation to these properties. that's running into millions of dollars. but the other concern is that the president is so obsessed with his own business and his
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own family interests, that he is not focussing on doing the job effectively. this has been a very, very rocky first year for this administration and i don't think that his running off to his properties all the time, of promoting his own businesses, is helping at all. that being said, i'd much rather see him playing golf than playing around with his twitter account. that's not working at all. it's really making him look very, very immature, this twitter war. and who cares whether he was going to be man of the year for "time" magazine. i mean, he's president of the united states. if he doesn't want to do his job and focus on his job, then he ought to leave and let somebody else do it. >> jason johnson, how easily can you tune out that noise, what the president is saying on twitter, when he comments on "time" magazine or the three basketball players arrested in china? >> well, look, you can tune it out if you want to. if you're not on twitter, as millions of americans aren't on
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twitter. you don't have to see everything that the president says. but i want to go back to something you mentioned before, what can the taxpayers do about the fact that the president of the united states is spending millions of dollars of tax money on his own properties and making a profit by bringing our soldiers, our troops, our transportation, our secret service, at his own properties. you could tell your member of congress. you can tell members of congress, make him pay. make it a hash tag, make him pay. there are ways voters can say to their representatives and the government we don't feel that it's necessary or reasonable for the president of the united states to be running up such a ridiculous bill. he's spent more money between him and ivanka and jared than obama did in his first four. that's what voters should do. you can ignore him or listen to him but you can't just let donald trump continue to spend our money. >> let me ask you about the role his sons are playing, running the trump organization. his daughter is headed to india. i gather one of his sons will be going there independent of that to open up two trump properties
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in india as well. how much is that a concern to you, what the trump children are up to? >> well, it's a big concern. the secretary of state is upset, and rightfully so. because the secretary of state is in charge of our foreign policy, not the president's daughter and son-in-law. this is a republic. not a monarchy. and the secretary of state is not a lap dog, the hired help for the president's daughter. and jared and ivanka, there's a lot of debate about where they could have been legally put in the white house to begin with. the justice department covered for the president on that, but this is clearly an abuse of power. in a republic, we do not have the president's family running our country. that's not going to happen. and the american voters are not going to tolerate it. but once again, congress has a job to do ask they're not doing it. they're not exercising any oversight over this administration. they aren't finding out where
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the foreign government money is coming into the trump organization. congress doesn't care. and i think it's high time the voters let congress know they aren't doing their job. >> jason, i saw you nodding there. what's it going to take to get congress to do more? >> well, firing them. that's pretty much all you can do. back in the early 2000s, it was halliburton. halliburton became a stone around the neck of the bush administration because there were questions as to whether or not cheney's associations with that company had something to do with our war policy. we have the same thing going on now. every single place that donald trump opens up a casino, opens up a hotel, those places become de facto embassies and leaders in foreign cubs feountries feel have to go to those places and put money in his pocket to get access to the united states. if members of congress won't do anything about that, then there need to be new members of congress, someone who is more
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concerned about our independence and sovereignty than they are placating the man at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> there continues to be focus on the election in alabama. the president has supported rye moore. we had kellyanne conway doing the same thing. explain your legal opinion and what's going on here. >> a united states government official, other than the president and vice president, but a government official in the executive branch is prohibited from using his or her official position to either pose or support a candidate in a partisan election. president trump is exempted from that. so is the vice president. but kellyanne conway broke the law when she sotood on the whit house lawn and in an official interview trashed on doug jones, who is a candidate for the senate seat, a clear violation of the hatch act. i've not heard a single hatch
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act lawyer defend what she did. this is her second major violation of an ethics rule. if this white house doesn't fire her, it's clear they have no interest in enforcing the standards with respect to their staff. and once again, if congress doesn't insist that this white house fire people like kellyanne conway who violate the law, then congress is going to have to get booted. we're getting fed up in this country and i'm a republican, been a republican for 30 years, but i'm not going to stand for a congress that just sits there and watches things happen, like what happened the other day on the white house lawn. she's pushing a pedophile for the united states senate, and she can do that on her own lawn on her own time. >> thank you both very much. perhaps you enjoyed some homemade pie during your thanksgiving feast. sarah sanders' family did. the white house press secretary tweeted this picture of a chocolate pecan pie she said she baked for the holidays. some critics are convinced this
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is a stock photo of a chocolate pecan pie. no word on whether she plans to produce the pie in question or at least a slice of it to prove her baking abilities. we'll be right back. i don't want to sound paranoid, but d'ya think our recent online sales success seems a little... strange? na. ever since we switched to fedex ground business has been great. they're affordable and fast... maybe "too affordable and fast." what if... "people" aren't buying these books online, but "they" are buying them to protect their secrets?!?! hi bill. if that is your real name. it's william actually. hmph! affordable, fast fedex ground.
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-oh! -very nice. now i'm turning into my dad. i text in full sentences. i refer to every child as chief. this hat was free. what am i supposed to do, not wear it? next thing you know, i'm telling strangers defense wins championships. -well, it does. -right? why is the door open? are we trying to air condition the whole neighborhood? at least i bundled home and auto on an internet website, progressive.com. progressive can't save you from becoming your parents, but we can save you money when you bundle home and auto. i mean, why would i replace this? it's not broken. here are some of the other
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headlines at this hour. "time" magazine is pushing back on the president's insistent he was told he would probably be person of the year for the second straight year. to which trump responded probably is no good. well time said they do not comment on the choice until the person of the year is revealed on december 6th. an attack on an egyptian mosque killed 300 and over a hundred were injured. new information today about three sailors killed in a navy plane crash in the philippine sea this week. the navy has identified them as steven combs, matthew kellesary and brian grasso. and the holiday weekend is an important one for the u.s. economy. nbc's jolene kent has the story. >> reporter: after the rush of black friday that started early and ended late, today small businesses are in the spotlight with deep discounts online and off.
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small businesses make up 99% of american companies. employi employing 58 million people. >> shopping trends among millennials is buying crafts products and you won't find that at the box retailers. >> this woman started a business out of the warehouse and they sell vintage designer clothes all online with no brick and mortar shop. >> 50 years ago i would have definitely went straight for having a retail store on main street. it is a lot more cost efficient to have a warehouse and operate where ever live. >> and she gets the word on out instagram and does the majority of the business on e-bay where customers could perfect with just one click. small businesses must go digital to thrive in a competitive market of endless options. >>what is the value for the customer. >> e-commerce has brought
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transparency, people now get access and they understand what is a great value or not. they may not have known that in an era before the internet. they used to walk in a store and think they were getting a great deal. but now they are one click away from checking whether they got a great deal. so e-commerce has been a great leveller. >> and e-bay and etsy and square provide the software and hardware to lunch businesses like the diamond hanger. con binding a vintage business model to make old feel new again. >> that is jolene kent reporting. in the next hour, new investments into the investigation no russian collusion and the move by paul manafort and. >> and the one family with five children at risk of heart disease and the emotional journey they took through multiple heart transplants. heart break saving the binghams
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that is it for us. i'm david guru and the news continues with richard lui. >> welcome, my friend. how was the first day. >> i made it through. we'll keep the torch moving. thank you so much. hello, i'm richard lui at headquarters in new york city. standing by, roy moore. despite the scandal, president trump defending the alabama republican senate candidate. new reporting said comments from daughter ivanka put the president in a tight spot.
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that is just out and we're live as the iron bowl takes over alabama. a look at who is still supporting roy moore and who is not on board. >> everybody is going crazy over this sexual allegations, roy moore would have -- to me when he brought in steve bannon should have been disqualified. >> controversy and "time" magazine disputing the president's tweet that he passed on being the person of the year and his fascination with that ward. and will flynn flip. now that his lawyers have split with the white house he is working with robert mueller. and the link to turkey that could force him to cooperate there. president trump standing by his man roy moore. but at what cost. new revelations "the new york times" just out this afternoon suggesting trump's defense of the alabama senate candidate may be backfiring. as members of the president's own party look to distance themselves from the man accused of sexual misconduct allegations

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