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tonight on >> new reporting on a president losing his grip on reality as he spreads conspiracy theories and racist propaganda. >> whether it's a real video, the threat is real. >> tonight, senator chris murphy on the growing concerns over president trump as the north korean threat escalates. plus new reporting on the firing of "today" show anchor matt lauer or inappropriate sexual behavior. why roy moore is apparently rebounding in alabama and the desperate rush for the trump tax bill. >> the big day will be either tomorrow or the next day. >> senator bernie sanders on why republicans are racing towards a vote. >> this is going to cost me a fortune. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york.
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i'm chris hayes. north korea is now, according to experts, a nuclear power, apparently capable of striking anywhere on the globe with a nuclear warhead and at a time when this country and the world and allies are depending on stable, steady and clear-sighted american leadership. the president of the united states genuinely appears to be losing his grip on reality. in the 24 hours since north korea tested its longest range missile to date, the president has retreated further and further back into the fever swamp from which his political career first emerged. tweeting about the people who work for him, launching unfounded personal and reckless attacks against executives and employees at this very network. this morning the president started his day by promoting anti-muslim fascist propaganda, retweeting videos posted by the leader of a british hate group which purports to show muslims committing acts of violence. at least one of the videos is fake, showed to show a muslim beating up a dutch boy on
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crutches. the embassy was forced to correct the president. british prime minister theresa may condemned the far right fringe group. a far right group which is accused of harassing and promoting violence against muslim citizens in britain. the white house defended the president's tweets arguing it doesn't matter if the videos were fake. >> whether it's a real video, the threat is real and that is what the president is talking about. that's what the president is focused on, is dealing with those real threats. those are real no matter how you look at it. >> it doesn't matter if the video is fake? >> look, i'm not talking about the nature of the video. the threat is real and that's what the president has been talking about. >> donald trump has been performing this kind of unhinged schtick for years.
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there's mounting evidence it's not an act and the president appears to be succumbing had his own illusions. the president no longer believes it was his voice on the "access hollywood" tape. he says, quote, it's really not me. i don't talk like that. never mind of course he admitted it's him after the first tape came out or that everyone who has watched the tape heard him bragging about getting away with sexual assault. that's apparently not the only delusion he's clinging his. his own advisers told "the new york times" the president continues to claim he lost the popular vote because of widespread voter fraud, a claim for which there's not a shred of evidence, a false claim, delusional claim. despite having announced the racist birther campaign last year, the president reportedly used closed door conversations to once again question the authenticity of barack obama's
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birth certificate. meaning the president of the united states is still at this moment privately pushing the racist lie that the country's first black president was illegitimate, only now doing it from the oval office. let's bring in jonathan cheat and jill banks. jonathan, today felt -- there are many days in the trump presidency that feel unhinged. today felt particularly unhinged. >> i agree. i had the exact same response that you had. before these stories came out i would have confidently said we understand who trump is. he's a con man. he says whatever he has to say to get ahead financially or politically but these stories indicate the possibility that he's actually fooled by his own lies, that he actually believes these things, that he's saying things on subjects and in context from which he has no advantage. he has no reason to lie to his own advisers about these
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subjects. so it's very disturbing and i'm disturbed by the exact same things that you are. maybe we misunderstood who he was or maybe he's become someone who has lost his grip on reality. >> you worked on the watergate resolution. the president actually resigned before he was impeached and part of the concern was that he had grown unfit, that he had spiralled into a place in which it was dangerous for him to have his hand on the button. do you feel that way now? >> i absolutely feel that way. i think that you and jonathan have really laid out some of the things that happened just today that are reason for concern. the 25th amendment may be the thing that we need right now. it may be time. i don't know that the republicans have the courage to stand up and use it, but it
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actually was used during the nixon administration, although it was the vice presidential clause that was used because spiro agnew, the vice president, was indicted and had to stand trial and was convicted and went to jail so there was a vacancy in the vice-presidency and the 25th amendment was use today fill that vacancy. now i think the cabinet needs to say we're looking at him and he is delusional, he is believing his own lies, and we cannot trust him to execute the duties of the office and he needs to be removed from office. >> i want to play something richard blumenthal said because to your point nothing can happen without republican buy-in. oren hatch said president trump is the best president under which he served and people should believe that oren hatch is telling the truth. this is what richard blumenthal said about the moral responsibility the republicans will bear. take a listen. >> the republican party will bear a moral responsibility and political accountability for
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their failure to stand up and speak out against this kind of absolutely abhorrent use of the public media, and it is a disgrace. >> but by and large, jonathan, there's no daylight here. you have jeff flake saying he's going to give some speeches but aside from that there really has not been a ton of movement on that front. >> unless as time goes on, not more, republicans were much more nervous about trump, much more distance between him and them during the campaign and even at the beginning of the presidency and they just seem to have gotten tighter and tighter and they're more and more intimidated and i think what steve bannon is doing with his outside group targeting members of the senate is he's trying to identify anyone who's not going to stand behind trump, anyone who might raise a 25th amendment challenge and try to knock them out and make the party complete ly fall in line with him and i think it's working. >> the president seems to believe that the russia probe is wrapping up and the reason this is important is because at some
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point reality will overtake that delusion. maybe he's not diluted and he knows and i'm wrong but one outside adviser to trump warned the president would blow a gasket if there's no statement of exoneration by year's end. how likely do you think that will be? >> it is probably very likely, but i guess the definition of delusion is that it makes no sense and it certainly makes no sense to hold out the promise that this will be over by the end of the year when at the end of the year it will be proven not to be over and everyone will see the lie for what it is. i think to the point that was just made, it reminds me of the vietnam era where people were saying you will be accountable for what you did or didn't do. some day your grandchildren are going to ask what did you do to stop this war. and i think the same thing is going to be true for republicans. what did you do to stop the insanity that is going on and
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the danger to our democracy to allow the threat of north korea to be answered in the way that it's now being answered instead of a more diplomatic and sensible approach. >> this is an important point which is we do not know what's on the other side of the hill called history and that is true of every war that's ever been entered into and every catastrophe where these moments may seem absurd and then someone makes a decision that has profoundly catastrophic consequences. i want to give people an update. the president has tweeted at theresa may to not focus on him, to take care of her own back yard. he's tweeting about big stuff. he's clearly watching fox news because he's tagging them. jonathan, you wrote this about the president's tweets about the british fascist group, that trump continues to cultivate the republican's party fascist.
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what do you mean? >> these racist groups used to be basically outside of republican party politics and now he's brought them inside of it. he's cultivated alliances with it. they're not at the center. they're not paul ryan. but they're part of the party. they're inside the tent. they're people he listens to and honors and elevates. that's a really new change and that's a huge change in the whole makeup of american politics that trump has enacted and i don't see that changing even after he's gone. >> the idea of waking up today in america as a muslim american or in the u.k. to what the president tweeted, it's truly shocking. >> it is. >> it's sort of hard to find the words for how vile that is and what a vile use it is of the power that he holds. jonathan and betsy, thank you both. senator chris murphy is a democrat from connecticut, a member of the senate foreign relations committee.
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senator, how worried are you about the president's fitness and grasp of reality at this moment? >> listen, i think that the president previewed pretty effectively during the campaign what his style of governance was going to be like. he never advertised to the nation that he was going to pay very close attention to detail. i've been worried since the very beginning of his campaign about whether he could be an effective commander-in-chief. what makes me even more worried is that he has not hired people into the top positions who can compensate for his lack of attention or his lack of stability. he's got a secretary of state, a deputy secretary of state who have no experience in negotiating big deals across the country. he hasn't hired people into other positions that could keep the middle east, places in asia safer. so it's worried me from the very beginning, his style of governance. it worries me even more that he doesn't have people around him
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who can help. >> but i want to zero in. it's more than style of governance. part of what has been presented in the reporting and the evidence is the president at a fundamental level seems incapable if you believe the reporting and i don't know if you do of distinguishing between fact and fiction, and given what's happening on the korean peninsula and other places, that seems problematic. >> you have to think about how wars have started in the past. let's go back to the gulf of tonkin, a moment in which there were a number of reports about whether the united states had been fired upon and it was left to the president to decide whether or not those reports were credible. often the way you get into a military conflict is through an interpretation about what your adversary's intent is or what set of facts has occurred. when you have a president like this who seems to show such blatant disregard for the facts, it makes it even more likely that there's going to be a miscalculation when you get into
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that muddy area that begins to occupy the beginning of military hostilities. >> that segue way to last night's missile test from the north koreans and you spend time thinking about and working with foreign relations on the committee, what is your takeaway from what happened last night? >> my takeaway is that the president's strategy has not worked and his strategy has been to throw a lot of braggadocio and rhetorical bluster at the north koreans without much of a true pathway to diplomatic talks. and if i'm the north koreans and i'm watching the president desperately try to pull out of the iranian nuclear agreement, it gives me absolutely no confidence that were i to start talking to the americans or the chinese or a group of multi-national nations that any agreement i made would be held to, so i just don't think the president has a credible pathway to get to a deal with the north koreans and i think they may see that which is why they've restarted these missile tests.
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>> i talked to someone last night who's an expert in this area and said last night was basically the nail in the coffin about preventing anything, that we have to reconcile now with the capability of a nuclear north korea that can deliver a nuclear payload. do you agree with that? >> i haven't been briefed on the details of last night's test. what we know is that they are far ahead of where our initial intelligence told us they were. now, they probably still don't have the ability to deliver a nuclear mounted icbm to the united states but the fact that they can get it this far is very concerning. we have to take the pace of their program very seriously. >> senator chris murphy, thank you. >> thank you. my guest earlier in the statement who i mistakenly called betsy woodruff, my bad about that. the president claims the new gop tax plan would cost him a fortune. it's not true of course. senator bernie sanders will be
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here to discuss. first, new reporting on the allegations against matt lauer, fired today from nbc news. that's coming up in two minutes.
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just moments ago nbc news chairman andy lack sent the following note to our organization. dear colleagues, on monday night we received a detailed complaint from a colleague about inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace by matt lauer. it represented after serious review a clear violation of our company's standards. as a result we have decided to terminate his employment. we are grappling with a dilemma that so many people have faced these past few weeks, how do you reconcile your love for someone with the revelation that they have behaved badly. i don't know the answer to that. >> that's how the day started here at nbc news with that revolution followed by a statement from nbc news chairman andy lack which added, quote, while the first complaint of his behavior in over 20 years in nbc news we were presented with the reason to believe this may not have been an isolated incident.
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matt has yet to release a statement. however, the lawyer for the woman who made the complaint released a statement, my client and i met with representatives from nbc's human resources department at 6:00 p.m. on monday. over the course of several hours my client detailed egregious complaints about mr. lauer. nbc acted quickly and responsibly as companies should when confronted with allegations of sexual misconduct. this afternoon, this headline that matt lauer is accused of sexual harassment by multiple women, invited women who his hotel while covering the olympics. variety has talked to three women who identified themselves as victims of sexual harassment. their stories have been
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corroborated. they said they complained to the network about lauer's behavior which fell on deaf ears given the lucrative advertising on today. they say prior to monday night, current nbc news management was never made aware of complaints about matt lauer's conduct. you've been covering this day. these situations for any organization are awkward situations because we work with nbc news and this is a story about nbc news and we have been committed here today to covering this story because this is a news story. >> it's without a doubt a news story but it's also important to remember we don't necessarily know the lines and we need to reboot because there is a big difference between sexual assault, sexual misconduct and sexual harassment.
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if you look at what's happened in the last few months, what has corporate america done. remember big bad corporate america that nobody likes, matt lauer got fired, charlie rose got fired. president trump who was accused is in office. bill o'reilly got fired and settled with one woman for $32 million and roy moore is still running. so it's stunning that the moral compass here is corporate america. >> let me push back a little bit. the problem is this is happening on the back end. this seems to be the issue with all these cases. we have this sort of tally that keeps growing every day. garrison keillor was fired today. you have people in every -- you have people in academia, in tech, in hollywood. >> wait until the hits the medical industry. we hear over and over women didn't come forward or they sort of did and it fell on deaf ears.
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i don't doubt that any of these companies didn't get formal complaints, but they didn't get formal complaints because those women and maybe in some cases men didn't think they could come forward. there's this idea when you're a star you can do anything. do you remember who said when you're a star, you can do anything? >> they let you do anything. >> it was president trump who said it on the "access hollywood" tape. think about the juxtaposition. i worried when i heard that "access hollywood" tape as somebody who cares so much about the advancement of women and girls. when i heard that tape i thought what is this is going to do to us? are we going to go backwards? my god, we've gone the other direction. this is a time for real change. >> here's the thing. you've got this situation with matt lauer today. he's fired today, fired very quickly. for someone as important to an organization as he is to nbc it's remarkable how quickly it happened. at the same time what has been revealed is retroactively a huge failure across industries, institutions, companies that all
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this behavior was happening. we were having this weinstein moment but it's revealed something that has to be dealt with in a far more systematic way than choosing or deciding the punishments for the mall factors. >> that's what's so important and while you can look at this matt lauer moment as massively important, it's not. it's what are we going to do going forward. if this has been happening which it has across industries since the dawn of time, this is the time to change it. >> to stop it, to prevent it. that's the key to me. >> you and i both know people in the workplace get together. people in the workplace sleep together. we need to make it clear where this is acceptable. and if it is a senior person and their subordinate or a senior person who can influence the career of someone below them, that ain't appropriate. >> right. well, that's part of it. part of it seems to me also is having more women in senior positions. >> if there was more diversity,
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you wouldn't have a boy's club. it was just seven years ago i was an investment banker. >> where there's no sexual harassment. >> are you kidding me? it is the mother ship. and deutsch bank had their first conference for senior managing director women and the ceo of the company, the chairman of the company stood before all of us and he was coming from an honest place and this is how absurd it is. he said, well of course when i go on trips abroad -- it was josef ackermann -- and i'm in let's say brazil. if i bring a woman with me, what will people think, i'm dancing with her at night? we all sat there gob smacked. >> meaning i can't bring a woman on this business trip because it could look bad so good luck. >> it would look bad. and we all sat there going this is what's in the mind of these people, how are we possibly going to break through? we have to make sure this is an important moment to change things and we don't want to go
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too far because we don't want to be in a situation where suddenly men in power say if i look at a woman cross eyed, i'm going to get in trouble, let's get them further out of the picture. >> what seems important to me is that there's some sort of systematic change about what procedures are put in place and also some kind of -- what we have is there's so much wrongdoing that has built up for so long that's pouring forward in these individual adjudications of penalty that it obscures the fact that, a, this is happening in places that aren't very prominent. it's happening in insurance companies, fast food chains, maids in hotels, right? >> it happens whenever there is a power paradigm. in wall street when someone makes loads of money for the bank, that let that man run rough shot. as soon as he starts losing money, then they shoot him in the back. in hollywood if you're a star, they let you do anything, the rules start to bend around you. >> stephanie ruhle, thank you for making time.
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>> thank you. still ahead, the senate candidate from alabama accused of sexual misconduct and abuse of girls and the prominent republicans who are backing him, including a sitting u.s. senator. that's next.
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in the wake of donald trump's victory last year it seemed the bar for a political candidate was forever lowered. here to see if it could be lowered further, bohn blankenship in charleston, west virginia is reporting he will run as a republican for west virginia senate seat next year. blankenship is hardly popular there. last year it was written, quote,
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he's the most hated figure in the state with only 10% of voters seeing him favorably to 55% who have a negative opinion of him. why is don blankenship so hated? maybe because he served a year in prison after a 2010 explosion in one of his mines killed 29 people. authorities had accused him of pumping up products at the expense of worker safety, said he ignored health and safety rules, lied to investors. the explosion in west virginia was the worst u.s. mine disaster in 40 years. the new yorker reported at the time, facing 30 years in prison, he maintained the explosion was an act of god. to this day blankenship denies he did anything wrong. on his blog he calls himself an american political prisoner and in a thanksgiving post he wrote, i am still considering whether running for u.s. senator joe manchin's seat will benefit our truth campaign. there's another election he might look to for inspiration, the december 12th alabama race where roy moore could win a senate seat despite allegations
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of molesting a 14-year-old girl. the latest on that race next.
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do you believe roy moore? >> i believe that the democrats will do great damage to our country. >> so you still believe roy moore?
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>> two weeks ago republicans were literally running away from reporters asking questions about the allegations of child molestation, sexual misconduct and sexual assault against roy moore. the man seen here running away from cameras in a capital stairwell, with less than two weeks to election do, mo brooks is coming home. >> there are only two that have asserted that roy moore engaged in unlawful conduct. one of those is clearly a liar because that one forged the love roy moore part in a yearbook in order to try to, for whatever reason, get at roy moore and win this seat for the democrats. so now you're down to one witness who says that roy moore engaged in nonconsensual sexual contact, okay? well, that one witness's testimony is in direct and stark contrast with that of the other seven ladies who said that he acted like an officer and a gentlemen. >> no, the other ladies didn't say that. one said he called her in her
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trig class while she was a high school student. the yearbook that he claimed is forged belongs to a woman who says moore assaulted her when she was 16. >> i was terrified. he was also trying to pull my shirt off. i thought that he was going to rape me. i was twisting and i was struggling and i was begging him to stop. i had tears running down my face. at some point he gave up. and he then looked at me and he told me, he said, you're just a child, and he said i am the district attorney of etowah county. >> a news conference nelson showed reporters her yearbook complete with a message from roy moore reading, quote, to a sweeter more beautiful girl i could not say merry christmas.
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moore's accusers are defending themselves as they're called liars. leigh corfman says she wrote a letter to moore. she wrote, where does your immorality end? i demand you stop calling me a liar and attacking my character. i am telling the truth, and you should have the decency to admit it and apologize. joyce vance is a former attorney, university of alabama law professor. what is it like down there right now? >> well, alabama certainly is not enjoying its moment in the public spotlight. this is in many ways a painful election. it's as painful for republicans as it is for democrats. there are new polls today that suggest that doug jones, the democrat, has fallen behind roy moore in the polls and it's beginning to sink in that alabama may actually send roy moore to the senate. >> yeah, we should say emerson poll has moore up by six points. there seems to be some movement
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back in moore's direction partly because it seems people have been able to be convinced that all of these women are liars. what do you hear when you talk to republicans down there? >> you know, republicans down here are simultaneously embarrassed by moore's conduct but very concerned about holding the majority in the united states senate. and it's safe to say that in alabama there are one-issue voters on both sides of the abortion issue. republicans tend to feel very strongly about the abortion issue, but by the same token, many republicans, particularly younger ones, have backed away from supporting him. so we have young republican groups in birmingham and other parts of the state that have withdrawn their support. whether that means they'll stay home or vote for doug jones remains to be seen. >> there are reports that steve bannon who sort of supported moore in that primary got in there a little late and sort of took credit for the victory and then has stuck with roy moore
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even as he was accused of molesting a 14-year-old he picked up outside a custody hearing, he's going to come down and stump for moore. does that make a difference down there one way or the other? >> so one thing that the polls this morning showed was that moore was performing well among voters who had supported trump. if bannon is perceived as being the personification of trump in alabama, then his presence down here may well help to sway more of those voters and convince them to turn out and vote for moore rather than sit it out. >> we should say it's a state that donald trump won by something like 33 points, and when this all started no one thought that doug jones had much of a chance. if he does have a chance, what is the path right now for him? >> the path for jones is the path of turnout. chris, it's real interesting, most of these polls today are land line polls. and that tends to overperform for older voters. the polls also indicate that among voters who are 65 and older, moore is leading.
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in every other demographic, jones has more support. so it's possible that if jones can turn out his base, turn out folks in the large cities, turn out african-americans, turn out civil rights-based communities where he's known for his work on behalf of the four little girls who were killed in the 16th street baptist church, that turnout may give him the edge at the end of the day. >> i want to play a little bit of roy moore being heckled tonight at an event he did. this is someone who was twice kicked off the supreme court in alabama, twice by fellow republicans. today some news that he co-authored a textbook which in 2011 says women shouldn't run for office. what would it mean for the state of alabama to have this man who is already a polarizing controversial figure in that state be representing the state in the united states senate? >> we can stop and get them out or we can keep going? >>so moore had a spokesperson speak on television today in
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birmingham and that person indicated that you can never believe a woman in the absence of a witness. that's a very difficult position, i think, for moore to be in because district attorneys and prosecutors in this state don't want victims in cases to feel like they can't come forward. they'll never be believed. >> joyce vance, thank you for joining me. still ahead, the massively unpopular tax cut bill for the rich clears a big hurdle in the senate. where it stands coming up. first, a very merry thing one, thing two next.
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thing one tonight, it's the christmas tree lighting celebration here in rockefeller center tonight. a telltale sign the holiday season is officially upon us. in past years our president has even been spotted at the tree lighting with melania and baron. this week melania trump tweeted out video of the holiday
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decorations at the white house including this scene from the grand foyer as ballerinas performed a piece from the nut cracker. today her husband spoke in front of a back drop of christmas trees in saint charles, missouri, and you'll never guess the first words out of his mouth. ♪ there ain't no doubt i love this land ♪ ♪ god bless the usa >> i told you that we would be saying merry christmas again, right? >> because of course 'tis the season for more ridiculous lies about the prior president, barack obama, who apparently caved to political correctness and never uttered the words merry christmas, or did he? that's thing two in 60 seconds.
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i was the one when i was here last time i said we're going to have christmas again. i was the one that said you go to the department stores and you
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see happy new year and you see red and you see snow and you see all these things. you don't see merry christmas anymore. with trump as your president, we are going to be celebrating merry christmas again. >> ahead of his first holiday season in the white house donald trump is declaring victory in the war on christmas. he promised rally-goers america will be celebrating christmas again because we stopped. but as we approach the end of the year we got to thinking did donald trump really bring merry christmas back to the white house? >> have a very merry christmas. >> we want to say merry christmas to everybody. >> a very, very merry christmas and a holiday filled with joy. i want to wish every american a merry christmas. merry christmas, everybody. >> all: merry christmas! >> so merry christmas, everyone. >> merry christmas. >> merry christmas, everybody. merry christmas. >> merry christmas. >> merry christmas, everybody. merry christmas, everybody. merry christmas, everybody. merry christmas. merry christmas. merry christmas.
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you might remember that a few weeks before that big brexit vote in the u.k. a british politics, joe cox, was brutally murdered by a man with links to neo nazi groups who repeatedly shouted the words, britain first, during the attack. britain first. it's a phrase that has been embraced by britain's far right, the moniker of a fringe far right political party founded in 2011 that is decried as an extremist hate group. >> so this group is at the forefront of driving hatred against britain's muslim communities. there are currently haters going on in this country where people have attacked muslims and killed muslims who are also followers of this group. >> the deputy leader of britain first is this woman, jada franzen. last year she was found guilty
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of religious aggravated harassment. today the president of the united states declared publicly common cause with jada franzen. donald trump retweeting three videos that were tweeted out by franzen that purported to show muslims engaged in outrageous acts. the veracity of the video is dubious. one appeared to show a muslim beating up a dutch boy. videos like this are staples of the most vile, racist and disgusting and monstrous corners of the internet posted by people who want to demonize muslims or african-americans or other groups. the president's decision to broadcast them to his 43 million followers were celebrated by none other than white supremacist david duke who took to twitter to say thank god for trump.
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that's why we love him. three months ago the president quite famously refused to take sides between the white spremists who marched with tiki torches in charlottesville who ended up killing a woman. and the anti-racist protests who were there to reject their message. >> yes, i think there's blame on both sides. you look at -- you look at both sides, i think there's blame on both sides, and i have no doubt about it and you don't have any doubt about it either. you have some very bad people in that group but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. >> on both sides. doesn't want to take sides. with his retweets today the president did take a side. he took the same side as britain first. he took the same side as david duke. keith elsen, one of two muslims serving in congress telling guardian, the president is racist, no doubt in my mind. council condemned what they called incitement to violence against american muslims.
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>> conversation to start hatred, bigotry and white supremacy and what donald trump and people around him have been pushing for years now. >> then this. after starting the day retweeting racist propaganda, went to missouri to do what? push a tax bill that overwhelmingly benefits corporations and wealthy heirs. it's the trump presidency in a nutshell, base gets racist red meat, donor class gets payoff.
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the senate is now poised to vote on the gop's tax bill as early as tomorrow after moved today to move to final debate over the legislation even though still very much trying to make changes to win over gop skeptics. people really don't like what republicans are trying to do. quinnipiac found 25% approve the republican tax plan. this is supposed to be a big tax cut, should be easy to sell. 52% disapprove. it's clear what the bill is, massive tax cut for corporations, wealthy and wealthy heirs in particular and possible tax hike for millions in the middle class. rushing to pass before it becomes even more unpopular. president doing his part in missouri, making the case that
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left is right, up is down and tax bill isn't a handout to the rich. >> wait until you see what finally comes out in what i call the mixer. the beating heart of our plan is a tax cut for working families. that's what it is. with trump as your president, we're going to be celebrating merry christmas again. it's going to be done with a big, beautiful tax cut. >> joining me now independent senator bernie sanders of vermont, senator, the republicans were able to get bill into debate. is this thing happening? >> i think there is a strong likelihood they will get it past senate. go to conference committee to have some difficulties reconciling the two bills, bringing together conflicting
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interests. our job, chris, and i'm going to kentucky, ohio and pennsylvania in the next few days, our job is rally the american people. make them understand what a disaster this bill is, it's unacceptable that senate bill, 62% of all of the tax benefits at end of ten years going to top 1%. 87 million middle-class families in this country will be paying more in taxes and that run up a $1.4 trillion deficit, which will be paid for mark my words with cuts to social security, medicare and medicaid. >> lot of people have been clear that's where they're headed. doesn't seem like people are confused. not popular. polling in 25, 30s, that's not stopping them. >> health care bill polled even worse. takes you to corruption of the american political and finance
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system. the american people don't want this legislation, throw 30 million people off health care but koch brothers and billionaire class do want these tax breaks. that's what this is about. >> bottom line of the actual members of the u.s. senate voting for the legislation and president who might sign it, made a claim about the affect on his bottom line. play for response. here's what the president said. >> this is going to cost me a fortune, this thing. believe me, believe -- this is not good for me. me, it's not -- i have wealthy friends, not so happy with me. but that's okay. >> i mean that really is laughable. of course believe me. i am sure all the american people believe donald trump. this is a man who never tells a lie. what he's saying is once again total nonsense. vast majority of the tax breaks
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go to wealthiest in the country. if they repeal the estate tax will benefit trump's family significantly as well as top .2 of 1%. this is a bill written for corporate america and billionaire class, they benefit and working class will be hit hard. >> msnbc's own evaluation, trump and family could save more than $1 million in the house side of this tax. major parts of this, lot of stuff in flux. things flying around. question is, are you confident that they understand, colleagues, republicans voting for this know what they're voting for? >> of course they don't. what they know is their employers, not the people of their states but campaign contributors want it. what do you have to understand. if koch brothers -- recall,
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members of congress coming forward, if we don't pass this, going to cut off spigot of campaign contributions. >> they did say that. >> here's example. had you exchange on twitter. slightly technical but worth talking about. exchange on twitter how a single mother making certain amount of money would fare under the bill. you tweeted one thing and john cornyn, high up in leadership tweeted response. zero income tax, doubling of standard deduction and 2,000 child tax credit. my understanding, that's factually untrue. they're either lying or don't understand the bill. >> it's a combination of both. lot of lies thrown about and lot of them don't understand the legislation. again this is the bottom line talked about and researched by all the major independent tax organizations, not partisan groups.
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62% of the benefits at end of ten years go to top 1%. corporations will make out like bandits. many corporations in this country to best of my knowledge will end up playing zero in federal taxes. >> senator bernie sanders, thanks for joining me tonight. >> thank you. that is he "all in" for this evening. the 11th hour starts now. tonight the american president versus the british prime minister. as the leader of the u.k. points out the american president was wrong to distribute unverified anti-muslim videos on social media. tonight two reporters the describe trump as veering past the guardrails of presidential behavior. one of them will join us live to talk about it. and the news that nbc news was part of today. matt lauer sought as co-anchor of "today" after a co-anchor complaint of inappropriate sexual behavior. "the 11th hour" begins now.


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