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connect with our show at #velshiruhle. our colleague andrea mitchell in with "andrea mitchell reports." several women with accusations against the "today" show's matt lauer. his first comments since the scandal broke. >> repairing the damage will take a lot of time and soul searching, and i'm committed to beginning that effort. it is now my full-time job. the last two days have force med to take d -- forced me to take a long, hard look at my own troubling flaws. nancy pelosi says it's time to go for congressman conyers. >> i pray real hard for congressman conyers and his family. i wish them well. however, congressman conyers should resign. and special relationship?
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the president sparking outrage in great britain. and a rare review from america's closest ally after mr. trump retweets an anti-muslim video from a right wing political hate group. >> the fact that we work together does not mean that we're afraid to say when we think the united states have got it wrong and be very clear with them, and i'm very clear that retweeting from britain first was the wrong thing to do. and joining the angry outcry from the u.k., the husband of british m.p. joe cox who was murdered by a supporter of that same hate group last year. >> i think what these type of actions do is they legitimize hatred. >> we'll be talking to brennan cox, the widower of joe cox, coming up this hour. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in new york. we begin with the sexual
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harrassment allegations surrounding john conyers. nancy pelosi now calling for john conyers to resign. one of the accusers is breaking her silence, revealing her identity on tv today. marian brown details the sexual misconduct she experienced while working for conyers to savannah guthrie. >> some of the things he did, it was sexual harrassment violating my body, propositioning me, inviting me to hotels with the guise of discussing business and then propositioning to, you know, for sex. and he's just violated my body. he has touched me in different ways and it was very uncomfortable and very unprofessional. he invited me into the hotel, and he has undressed, you know, down to his underwear, and
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again, it was the proposition of sexually satisfying him. >> he asked you to do something sexually? >> yes. he asked me to satisfy him sexually. he pointed to areas, genital areas of his body and asked me to, you know, touch it. >> what did you do in that moment? >> i was frozen, shocked. i didn't know what to do. but one thing, i didn't want to lose my job, i didn't want to upset him, and i just -- and then also he asked me to find other people that would satisfy him. >> joining me now is democratic congresswoman jackie speier who co-sponsored a bill to pass the house yesterday requiring mandatory sexual harrassment training for all members of
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congress and their staffs. congresswoman, first of all, nancy pelosi has said john conyers should leave congress. do you agree? >> i'm delighted that the leader has made the decision she has. after hearing the interview of the young woman who worked for mr. conyers that you just showed, i just shook my head in disbelief. i find it so reprehensible that the pattern of behavior by men, whether it's harvey weinstein, or, in this case, congressman john conyers, that somehow their expectation that someone who works for them should satisfy them sexually is an abomination, and we can no longer dance around what is clearly aberrant behavior and violates the civil rights act and everything we believe in in terms of what we call here zero tolerance. >> we talk about zero tolerance,
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people talk about zero tolerance, but we were able to find this woman and have her tell her story. why is it credible that not one of the 535 members of congress could find this witness, could have her tell her story? how could democratic leaders not know and still call him an icon on "meet the press" on sunday? >> i think that, first of all, because these are payments that have been made out of the members' allowance, there is not an easy way of knowing who these people are. and i don't believe the leader was made aware that this settlement was made until it became public. so there is a very oblique system that exists here. there are still members who are serving right now who have these same similar settlements that are not known to any of us because there are nondisclosure agreements.
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>> do you know any names? >> i do. i know one in particular right now -- >> who is that? >> there is a nondisclosure agreement, that's the problem with these situations. there is a nondisclosure agreement, so the victim cannot disclose, and the settlement is lost if they do so, and frankly, in many of these cases, the victims have already gone through a secondary trauma. because going through the process that we have right now in congress is as bad as the actual original sexual harrassment in many cases. >> can you disclose who the member of congress is without naming the victim? >> no, i won't do that because it will become very obvious that -- it's a very small group of people that work for each member. they will be able to identify who that individual is. if that individual comes forward, that's a different story. and she may do that. but i think that it's really important for us to recognize we have a serious problem in the
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halls of congress, and we've got to stop dancing around the fact that the system that's in place doesn't work for the victims, that we don't have a credible way of shutting down the bad behavior, and the ethics committee, frankly, is not the place to go because the process there is too long and doesn't provide the kind of swift action that should be taking place. >> i know you've been a leader on this whole subject, but let me share with you, yesterday i interviewed donna edwards, your former colleague, former congresswoman, democratic congresswoman, and she recounted the verbal abuse that melanie sloan, a former aide at the time she was an aide of john conyers suffered at the hand of john conyers in a judiciary hearing. let me play it. it happened 20 years ago. >> about 20 years ago i had a group to end domestic violence. i had an advocate group from
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around the country. melanie sloan was a staff member that helped us. >> she was working for mr. conyers on the judiciary committee? >> she was working for mr. conyers on the judiciary committee, and i witnessed the abuse she has talked about publicly in the "washington post" and here at nshlbc as wel. >> what happened? >> she told her she was a horrible lawyer, that she would never amount to anything, that she would never get a job anyplace else. it was the most offensive kind of abuse i think i've ever heard, and in fact, i stepped outside of the hearing room that we were meeting in, and i comforted her. she was trembling, she was visibly shaken, she was in tears. i asked her if it had ever happened before, and she told me yes at that moment. i think this was in 1998. at the time, as advocates, because other people around the country heard that, we were
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going through a decision about whether we were going to pull away from the reauthorization of the violence against women act because of that. and melanie convinced us that, no, we should just do it and finish it. it's something she had been working on, and i think she left the hill shortly after that. >> so it certainly influenced her career. >> well, it did, and i think as a result -- i mean, i've known melanie for more than 20 years. now i know her to be a truthful person, and i know what i saw. although it's not the sexual harrassment allegations that are also being attributed to mr. conyers, i know what i saw. and i think that it's unfair to characterize her, to characterize melanie in a way that suggests she's making up or exaggerating what happened to her. i believe what happened to her because i saw it.
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>> that's very powerful. she was called -- melanie sloan was called a liar by john conyers. >> well, you know, hostile work environment also is a violation under the civil rights act, and that would be grounds there as well. i know melanie sloan. i listened to her testimony over the weekend, and i've said this over and over again, andrea. i believe the victims. you don't come forward in this kind of an environment without knowing full well that you're going to be trash by people, that you'll be investigated. i mean, people who come forward right now are doing it, i think, in a very courageous manner. we are at a point where there is a new age of enlightenment, and we're going to make sure we never have another generation of women who have to endure this kind of just demeaning behavior
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and sexual traumatization that so many have endured. >> i just want to share with you, while we've been talking, representative joe barton, the republican from texas, has announced that he is going to retire from congress. he will not seek reelection. so another departure from the house. things are changing. >> things are changing, and i believe they're all changing for the good. i can't tell you the number of women that have come up to me in the halls of the capitol the last few weeks with big smiles on their faces saying thank you, thank you. and men as well. because this has been one of those deeply held secrets in the halls of congress for a very long time that has never really been addressed properly, and we're finally doing it. >> just for context, he had his own issues with someone with whom he had a relationship when he was separated from his wife, and there was some sort of possible revenge involved, so he described himself as a victim.
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in any case, it's been embarrassing and he is stepping down. thank you so much, congresswoman jackie speier. thank you for being with us. i also wanted to share with our audience that there has been a statement from the white house amidst reports that we have confirmed, reports also from the "new york times," the "washington post" and other news agencies, vanity fair, that rex tillerson might be stepping down or being forced out, i should say, in the coming weeks, maybe the turn of the end of the year or the beginning of next year, and possibly replaced by cia director mike pompeo, a trump favorite. right now the press secretary sarah sanders for the white house, is saying, as the president just said, rex is here. that was the answer to a question at a photo opportunity. sanders said, there are no personnel announcements at this time. secretary tillerson continues to lead the state department and the entire cabinet is focused on completing this incredibly successful first year of
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do you want rex tillerson on the job, mr. president? >> he's here. rex is here. >> does he intend to stay in his job? >> thank you very much, everybody. >> president trump last hour dodging questions about the future of his secretary of state rex tillerson. after the "new york times," "washington post," "vanity fair" all reporting that the chief of staff has signed off on changes that would elevate cia director mike pompeo to replace the secretary of state if the president agrees. we're also hearing that at the white house and state department. it's been widely reported by nbc news and other outlets that tillerson would likely leave at the end of the year. joining us is philip jordan and peter. both political analysts.
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peter, you're reporting on this because we know how things are. they're not true until the president signs off on it, but how likely is it, do you think, that mike pompeo would be the next secretary of state? >> he definitely seems to be the flavor of the day, no question about it. his stock has risen in the trump white house over the past few weeks and months. he's made a real connection with the president over the daily briefings, he's impressed the president. he's had an extraordinary role, actually, beyond what a spy agency normally does. he gives advice on a number of policy areas that go beyond national security, including things like health care. he's a former congressman, he has ties to the freedom caucus, the tea party, conservatives in the house. the president has come to rely on him and sees him as a likely successor to rex tillerson, head of state. >> an ally and critic of rex tillerson and way too eager to cut the budget, but this is what
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corker has to say. >> i just had a kind of long conversation, and he's going to europe next week. he was on the phone this morning with the president and another role leader and is conducting business as is the norm. he's not aware of anything changing and plans to be there. it's been evident to me that for some time somebody is, you know, seeking to undermine his presence here. i don't know who that is. >> could be the president himself. and tillerson's self-inflicted wounds. at least, jordan, you were in the national security council, you know how these things work. i have never, never seen a secretary of state so undermined by his own inability to grasp the concept of the position as well as shots fired at him from the national security council staff as well.
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>> well, and every secretary of state always deals with the foreign service might not think they are welcoming enough, that they really engage the building. colin powell was well known for engaging in his managerial style. i worked for secretary rice and she had a great relationship with the president that really changed the way the secretary of state operated. so now you look at tillerson and he has been essentially re relegated to this secondary position and it's just an untenable position to be in. >> we've seen the fact that they have not agreed on appointments. it's been a dispute between the white house, peter, and the state department over nominees. but also of the slowness to vet nominees, they claim they're not being confirmed, but a report shows there are very few people
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in the pipeline that have not been acted upon. the failure is in the nominating process. >> we're almost at the end of the first year, so many key positions empty. among them, for instance, the ambassador of south korea. that would be an important position to fill if north korea is your number one international security challenge, as they say it is. that's a frustration. both sides kind of blame each other. the secretary of state has reportedly had shouting matches with white house aides about this subject. and, of course, there is this personal disconnect as well between the secretary of state and the president. nbc, of course, famously reported that the secretary at one point referred to the president as a moron. the president chose to not believe that, at least publicly, but clearly did not take that well. and this has been sort of a slow death march through the last couple of months. >> at least one other point is that he is at the white house right now, but he's not in the oval office for a meeting with
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the foreign leader, so it's not clear what he's doing with her. he's going to have a one on one with the president at some point, but he is physically at the white house today. the other point is that mike pompeo has been spending so much time with the president. he, unlike previous cia directors, personally briefs the president every single day because the president likes to be briefed by him. people in the agency complain, and maybe pompeo himself is feeling the pressure of this, thats a time suck spending all this time and preparing the daily brief which is worked on into the wee hours of the morning and handed to him. it has to go to the white house, go back over to virginia. it's a problem. i saw pompeo last night at a public event. the ballroom in washington was filled with former cia directors and their deputiedeputies, but
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deputies were called out for their service, and pompeo made a joke, saying, all these former cia directors, i hope that's not my title this time next year. it was a fundraiser for the spy museum and a tribute to william webster and to george bush xli. it was a big joke but it was very clear he may have another role in his future. as you know, on the benghazi committee, former west point student. smart guy. but he has been appointed to the agency. >> and i've been watching how the sweepstakes in the secretary's position has shifted. the position was dominated by discussion of nikki haley, the current u.n. ambassador, and that has really shifted to pompeo. i spoke to a source who is close to nikki haley, and that source explained that the thinking is, why would nikki haley
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necessarily want to move to washington and associate more closely with the white house? she has a good distance being in new york city and she's been able to establish her foreign policy credentials. so it's been important to watch how this has played out. >> and it could still change and shift as we observe. peter baker, thank you for your reporting, and of course, elise jordan. the tax plan getting closer and closer to a vote. chris van holland, the son of a diplomat, joins me next to talk about all of this with him, too. stay with us.
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as we said at the top of the show, for the first time we are hearing directly from matt lauer amid these shocking new allegations of inappropriate sexual misconduct. this morning just moments before air, savannah guthrie read a statement from her former cohost and this is the rest of what she had to say. >> there are no words to express my sorrow and regret for the pain i have caused others by words ask actiond actions. to the people i have hurt, i am truly sorry. as i am writing this, i realize the depth of the damage and disappointment i have left behind at home and at nbc. some of what is being said about me is untrue or miss characterizcharacte -- mischaracterized, but there is
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enough in these stories to make me feel embarrassed and ashamed. i regret that my shame is now shared by the people i cherish daily. >> and joining me now in all of this, reporter stephanie gosk and mediator clair atkinson. stephanie, you've been tracking all these allegations that have proliferated in the last 24 hours. >> that's right, andrea, and we can say there are as many as eight women who have come forward. i use that phrase "as many as" because they've come forward anonymously. we don't have their names and we don't know if some of the women discussed in "variety" magazine are the same ones who came forward shortly after matt lauer was fired. there was the accusation on monday night that precipitated lauer's firing, and then two women following that came to nbc news claiming that they had been
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sexually harassed by matt lauer. there are two accounts in the "new york times" as well, and those accounts were, according to the newspaper, corroborated by family and colleagues. and then there are the three women who claim that they were sexually harassed in "variety" magazine also corroborated by the magazine's colleagues. >> what about nbc's claim that nobody in current management knew about this if it was so widespread? >> there was -- in "variety" there was, among the reporting was that several women had come forward and told executives that something had happened to them and that it fell on deaf ears. and nbc responded to that reporting with the statement here. they say, we can say unequivocally that prior to monday night, current nbc news management was never made aware of any complaints about matt lauer's conduct. and obviously the word "current"
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jumps out at you in that statement. i have been reaching out to former nbc news executives. i have spoken to several of them, but not all of them. several of them. and no one has told me they knew anything or had been approached with nyaany accusations. >> and clair, russell simmons, major figure in the entertainment industry. he's now stepping down. >> we're reading in the hollywood reports a first-person description by the film screenwriter jenny lumet who is the daughter of the famous director sidney lumet. and she details how she got into a car are russell simmons, the doors were locked. she was kind of hustled into his apartment, and it sounds like forced into a situation where she's having sex with the rap mogul. he's denying that, saying it's consensual. his memory is different from her memory. but it's the second allegation
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forcing him to step down from these businesses. he has multiple businesses. obviously this hip-hop mogul made his money from the beastie boys, from this very famous rap recording label, and he is saying today, i have to step back from these businesses. he owns a yoga studio, a cleanse drink, a communications company, a clothing line. so that's two women there, latest allegations against him. >> she's also the granddaughter of lena horne, an icon in the music business. well, i thank you for taking this on, stephanie. not a happy task. and clair as well. and senate republicans could be hours away from taking a very big step toward delivering a signature win to president trump on taxes. they are boosted by john mccain's decision to support the bill which moves it to 52-48.
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senator, hau very much for joining me. do democrats see any way of keeping this bill from passing since there is a majority in the senate. but now that they have mccain, compromises have been made to get people on board there. >> you know around here, it's not over until it's over. i was disappointed in senator mccain's announcement, but they still do not have on-the-record support from a majority of their caucus yet, so we're fighting to the very end to try to get more and more facts out. this bill is going to be harmful to the united states for many, many years to come. it is a huge corporate tax giveaway that's paid for by millions of folks, by increasing premiums, and as you reported, adding trillions of dollars to the national debt.
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this is not the way to do tax reform. we should do bipartisan tax reform, but this takes us in the wrong direction, andrea. >> in the near term, people may do better, middle class people, but come time ten years from now when those tax cuts expire and the corporate taxes don't, the deficit will balloon even farther. we're hearing $2.2 trillion might be the big impact. there is big impact on homeowners, on college students, a number of sectors, and certainly high-tax states. so will republicans actually see a price for this? the president was out selling it to an audience in missouri who has a senator who is potentially on the danger list, clair mccaskill. >> i do think voters are going to hold republicans accountable for this, because it has been a con job. the reality is that millions of middle class families will see an immediate increase in the
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taxes they pay. many millions more will see virtually no change. and you're going to see the folks at the very top get these windfall tax breaks. the let me give you one example. we're talking about corporations getting these big brakes. 35% of the owners of those corporations are actually foreign stockholders. so it's estimated in 2019, right around the corner, about $35 billion in tax breaks will flow directly to foreign sto stockholders. at that same time, you'll have american taxpayers who see a tax increase will be forking over around $27 billion. you can think of it as taking $27 billion from those parents who see increases and handing them over to foreign stockholders. people are going to be burned up when they find these things out. >> let me ask you about the
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state department. you know it well. you come from a diplomatic family. there has been a lot of criticism of rex tillerson. do you think it would be a good idea if he left and was replaced by mike pompeo, the cia director, which seems to be pla plans. there's been a huge drop in freeze firing of many diplomats who try to resolve issues. i'm going to be even more unhappy with pompeo coming over, because in addition to carrying on those broken policies at the state department, i don't think pompeo has the experience at all in terms of international relations to be the secretary of state. this is a very concerning development. it should be concerning to everybody around the country who cares about the conduct of our
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foreign policy. again, tillerson is lacking in many ways, especially with respect to how he's been managing things at the state department. but i really worry about what secretary pompeo would bring. >> we're going to have to leave it there. senator, thank you for being with us. thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up, defense of roy moore, calling the allegations against him a conspiracy. that's next on "inside scoop" here on "andrea mitchell reports." dad: molly! trash! ( ♪ ) whoo! ( ♪ )
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i'm being opposed by the washington establishment who don't want to change anything that's going on in washington, d.c. they haven't done anything. when i say they, who are they? they're liberals. they don't want conservative values. they're the lesbian, gay gay, bisexual, transgender who want to change the culture. they're the socialists who want to change our way of life. >> roy moore, unfiltered during a campaign at a small church on the alabama coast. feeling momentum from trump's support and the shift over the last several days. let's go to washington bureau chief susan page, "new york times" reporter rick santorum. first, roy moore, the politics of alabama.
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is it now a toss-up or a clear favorite now? >> we've got three recent polls. they all show him five or six points up. i think, as you said, president trump's quasi-endorsement. he didn't say his name, but he made it clear it was his candidate, has helped him some. it also should not be a surprise that the republican is leading in alabama, which is one of our r redder states, but it does look like since time passing with those explosive states, he has the lead. turnout is often low, but it looks like he seems to have recovered from the setback when that story was first reported. >> the president was back last night on the stump on taxes in missouri, a key state, and this is what he had to say about how he would fare with this tax bill. >> in all fairness, this is going to cost me a fortune, this thing, believe me. believe me, this is not good for
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me. me, i have some very wealthy friends. not so happy with me, but that's okay. >> jillian, according to an nbc analysis, his family could benefit to $1 billion and he personally quite a bit as well, he and melania trump from their joint return. at least from what we know of the 2005 return that we have a couple pages of their 1040. >> absolutely. i don't think there is a credible economist out there who thinks donald trump is going to suffer enormously from this tax bill as he says. what's really striking in my mind is if you look at some of the surveys from economists about the impact of this tax package, like one done by chicago recently which covered both economists on the right and the left, there is barely an economist out there who think this is going to significantly reduce growth in the long term. they almost all agree, though, it's going to raise debt. so in many ways, what's happening with the economic reality and the political
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rhetoric is diverging further and further right now. >> so it seems as though corker and others are accepting this trigger idea which is, if the growth doesn't come, which very few credible economists, nick, agree will come, that then trail trigger it and take that money back. the politics of that are ludicrous. >> it's terrible. this is an effort to get themselves off the hook for a bill that's unpopular. corporate executives it won't create jobs. they won't hire because of it. it won't create economic growth. it will explode the deficit. everything is screaming this is a bad idea on the facts, but they want to do something, and it has all the appearances to me, andrea, of like a zombie party that doesn't know who it is anymore but knows it has to do something like cut taxes, and
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they're sort of stumbling to the tax cut as a result. >> an amazing bit of research has come out of princeton and chicago again, which shows that if you look at how american voters feel about the economy, there is this unbelievable bipartisan bias right now. it's always been there to some degree, democrats tend to be more cheerful with democrats in the white house, but this year the partisanship has risen about four times. it's about eight times if you look at trump voters. so voters' perception of what's happening in the economy in some ways is more driven by this kind of tribal sense that our team is winning a cultural battle that have hard numbers of the sort we tend to obsess about in the tax package. >> it's the president going out and saying the stock market is the highest it's ever been, everything is great, and those sources in missouri yesterday are thrilled with that. >> it's tribal and cultural as
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much as anything else. the tweets, the retweets, the denial of "access hollywood" and everything going on in the white house. >> there is a lot going on. they're excited, they think thalg g they'll get this tax bill through. they talk about showing a win after not having one from the entire first year of trump's presidency. but i have to say, as with health care, john mccain turns out a crucial vote against the health care repeal. a crucial vote today for this tax bill. >> susan page, thank you so much. coming up, jillian, a husband's mission. she was murdered by a far right extremist last summer. join us by a widower who talked about that retweet. stay with us. atment."
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the husband of a british member of parliament who was murdered last year by a man with extreme right wing views is hitting back at president trump for sharing anti-muslim hate videos sponsored by that group. brendan cox tweeted, you have a mass shooting every single day in your country, your murder rate is many times that of the uk, your health care system is a disgrace, you can't pass anything through a congress that you control. i would focus on that.
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joining me, richard stengel, public affairs, also with us jillian sympathy for you with the way you are carrying on, but tell me what is it about president trump's retweeting of that discredited anti-muslim hate video that so angered you, tell our audience. >> i think we're used to this president's saying inflammatory things, tweeting things that aren't necessarily true, making things up. but i think this was a new bar, this was him actively promoting a neo fascist group in the uk whose leaders have been convicted on the grounds of racially aggravated harassment. the woman that he retweeted was personally convicted of harassing a muslim woman in
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front of her four kids. these are people who exist in order to spread hatred and vile. and the leader of the free world sharing their material, giving them a microphone matters. it matters not just because i don't like the contents, i don't like what he was saying, but it matters because he was driving hate. my family is aly offing consequence of what happens when people are fed hatred. and this president -- it pains me to say, this president has become a purveyor of that hate. >> how are your children doing? >> my kids are as good as they can be. they have lots of jo's energy and spirit and love still in them. they're still very young. they're only 5 and 6. but their life will never be the same. you know, they'll never get their mum back.
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that impacts on everything they do. the reality is, every morning i wake up and jo's not there, it brings it all back. it does add insult to that injury. >> jillian, as so many journalists did, for her vigor, for her energy. just briefly -- >> if you want to understand why so many british parliamentarians are so angry about this, jo was an extraordinarily popular lively icon of a young juggling female politician who really was full of integrity. i salute brendan for coming on television and talking about this when it's painful. but the fact is for the british government and parliamentarians, this kind of retweeting is completely beyond the pale. >> as a diplomat and former journalist and author and diplomat, for the president to be doing this, i saw a british
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official really angry about this. >> it's incredibly irresponsible. this is a neo-nazi group. what is so annoying about it, isil's narrative is that the west is against muslims, that the west is persecuting muslims. confirming that narrative. he is increasing the problem in the u.s. and in the uk. what i would add is we're seeing the unraveling of the special relationship between british and the u.s. this is something the president doesn't understand. to the brits now, as jo's husband said, he is the very emblem of the ugly american. these bonds are coming asunder. >> brendan, when you think of jo cox and the humanitarian mission she was on, how do you see that
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being carried out now in the political sphere? this kind of hate being regendered? >> we'll keep forward her legacy. she had a background in aid work around the world. she was also very active among her own constituency. but at its core, what we're working on now is hatred of any shape, i don't care what that hatred comes from. i don't care whether that hatred is driven because they hate people because of the color of their skin or if they hate people on the basis of their religion. hatred is the same. as the gentleman just said, what the president is doing is he's not only actively flaming the far right, he's playing exactly into the hands of isis. hate in all shapes and forms need to be resisted. this isn't something which
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should come down to one country or another. it's not something which should be an issue that's debated. we should all be able to agree that hatred no matter where it comes from is beyond the pale and it should be defeated, not retweeted. >> how does it damage american diplomacy in the uk and in europe? >> i think you're already seeing unfortunately a fraying of the ties. i mean, i hope, as someone that's proudly committed and very committed to the uk/u.s. relationship, it's been so fundamental to our two countries, particularly to the uk, and since the second world war, i think this is now at risk. you know, those relationships have been based on not geography but on values. and those values of decency, of respect for institutions, of the rule of law, of liberal democracy, of individual rights. this president is betraying those values.
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i think and i expect our relationship as countries will endure, but this president is doing everything he possibly can to strain that. and that's -- i don't say that with any anger. i say it with a huge amount of regret. >> well, brendan, thank you very much. jo cox is still a light, a shining light for a lot of us on both sides of the atlantic and thank you so much for being with us today. we really appreciate that. and thank you, rick stingle, thank you always. we'll be right back. give families a second chance. but to help others, they first had to protect themselves. i have afib. even for a nurse, it's complicated... and it puts me at higher risk of stroke. that would be devastating. i had to learn all i could to help protect myself. once i got the facts, my doctor and i chose xarelto®. xarelto®... to help keep me protected. once-daily xarelto®, a latest-generation blood thinner... ...significantly lowers the risk of stroke in people with afib not caused by a heart valve problem. it has similar effectiveness to warfarin. xarelto® works differently. warfarin interferes with at least 6 blood-clotting factors.
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thanks for being with us. that does it for today. remember, follow the show online on facebook, on twitter, @mitchellreports. craig melvin takes it from here. >> always good to see you. thank you, andrea. good afternoon to you. craig melvin here at msnbc headquarters in new york. resign. that is now the call from house leadership. nancy pelosi and speaker paul ryan wanting embattled congressman john conyers to step aside. conyers attorney for his part moments ago says he's not resigning and instead says the leadership should focus on senator al franken. meanwhile, tillerson out. president trump is considering a plan to replace the secretary of state rex tillerson with cia director mike pompeo. what that would mean for both agencies. and breaking his silence. a day after nbc announced his firing,


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