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introduced by his wife kayla and then this is a thing that happened. >> fake news would tell you that we don't care for jews. i tell you all this because i've seen it also and want to set the record straight while they're here. [ cheers and applause ] one of our attorneys is a jew. [ applause ] >> well, this settles that then. that just -- that just happens. that does it for us. we'll see you again tomorrow. now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening, lawrence. >> good evening. give me a second for my speechlessness. >> sorry. >> it makes me recall donald trump and the people working inside the trump operation and what they said donald trump said
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when he actually saw a black accountant working in the trump operations on accounting and saying he wanted all of his accountants to be wearing yamacas which was, you know, this trump vision of where the jews fit in his life at the time. >> apparently after kayla moore said within of our attorneys is a jew, and then gave that priceless look, the next thing she said was, we have very close friends that are jewish and rabbis. so, i just -- i mean -- we can -- making me -- >> yeah, yeah. >> we get paid to talk for a living but there isn't enough money in the world to talk properly about this. >> there is a way to render us speechless. >> yes. >> roy moore's wife has done so. >> yes. thank you, my friend. good luck. >> thank you. well, alabama has not voted for a democrat for united states senate since 1992 when both of alabama's united states senators were democrats. the democrat who won his senate
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race in alabama in 1992 was richard shelby. it was his first re-election campaign for the senate in alabama. and two years latter, richard shelby switched parties after the democrats were wiped out when they lost control of the senate and lost control of the house for the first time in 40 years. richard shelby just walked across the aisle after that congressional election in 1994 and switched from being a conservative democrat to being a mainstream republican. and yesterday alabama's senior senator richard shelby said this. >> i couldn't vote for roy moore. i didn't vote for roy moore. but i wrote in a distinguished republican name. there's a time. we call it a tipping point. and i think so many accusations, so many cuts, so many drip, drip, drip when it got to the 14-year-old story, story, that was enough for me.
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i said, i can't vote for roy moore. i didn't vote for the democrat. or advocate for the democrat but i couldn't vote for roy moore. the state of alabama deserves better. >> and doug jones will take that because that functions as a vote for doug jones. democrat doug jones has a very strong chance now to win a senate election in alabama tomorrow, thanks to steve bannon who worked as hard as he possibly could against the wishes of his former boss president trump to win the republican nomination for senate in alabama for disgraced, twice fired, former alabama judge roy moore who now stands accused of being a criminal child molester who also preyed upon young high school girls while he was an assistant district attorney in his mid-30s. tomorrow is an alabama election brought to you by steve bannon and tonight at a campaign rally for roy moore steve bannon said this.
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>> to mitch mcconnell and senator shelby and -- [ audience booing ] and condi rice and all that, all that little bobby corker, all the establishment up there, all that establishment up there every day that doesn't have the -- doesn't have trump's back. they don't have his back. at all. what they want him for is a corporate tax cut. you watch what happens. there's a special place in hell -- [ cheers and applause ] -- for republicans who should know better! >> of course, president trump has said that the reason to elect roy moore is to deliver on that corporate tax break that
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steve bannon now seems to think is nothing but a trick being played on those voters by the republican establishment. tonight's doug jones campaign rally, legendary basketball star charles barkley campaigned with democrat doug jones. here's some of what doug jones had to say. >> i'm going to tell you, folks. it is time and i think we're going to see it tomorrow, that the majority of the people of alabama say that it is time that we put our decency, our state before political party. >> president obama and joe biden both recorded robo calls for doug jones and there's a poll to tell you whatever you want to believe about this race. new fox news poll has doug jones up by 10 points and emerson college poll done in boston has roy moore up by 9 points and a poll sponsored by monmouth university in new jersey has the race tied.
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the fox poll finds that roy moore is losing the support of his evangelical base, 65% of white evangelicals say they'll vote for roy moore, a drop of 8 points in 1 month. peter waner wrote an op-ed in "the new york times" entitled why i could not call myself an evangelical republican. assume you were a person of the left and the atist and create a couple of people to discredit. you could hardly choose more perfect men than donald trump and roy moore. an op-ed piece yesterday says that the outcome tomorrow is all up to the women of alabama. after conducting a series of interviews with voters in the home state of alabama, rains wrote, women are the rebels in the current election. all those women who are coming forward, they're not making it up. a female civic leader told me
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over coffee. the grandfather presided over the wedding of mavany and otis bishop 72 years 0 ago and mr. bishop told him, he'll vote for mr. moore and intends to sway his wife from her plan to support mr. jones. no, he won't mrs. bishop said. joining us now, howell rans, former executive editor of "the new york times." howell, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i learned more about alabama and alabama's history in your op-ed piece than i've read this alabama season. tell us what you found when you went in there and started talking to voters about how they're making up their minds. >> well, thank you, lawrence. this was a great opportunity to me for me to visit my ancestral county, winston county, the free state of winston and the attitudes i found there typified
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what's going on in this race. the men are all solidly convincing one another that roy moore's being lied about. the women are timidly -- not raising their voices but stating their opinion and in some cases i ran into one woman who said she and her pastor meeting about roy moore and both of them found him creepy. so, the erosion among women voters particularly in the republican suburbs holds one of the keys. interestingly, shelby's remark today that he was writing in could be a factor because the jones people are hoping for about a 2% write-in drain on the republican vote. it looks to me like this is most important election for alabama's future since the election of 1970. that was when george wallace beat a progressive new south candidate and sentenced alabama
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to 25 years of retro politics. it's a chilly night here outside dothan but interestingly steve bannon and roy moore inside this barn serving up warmed over wallace dogma and they seem to think it's going to work one more time. if it doesn't, that will be a watershed election for alabama because it will be the first time that it's really stepped into what we've been calling the new south for about 30 years now. >> howell, there's so many observations you make about especially your ancestral county of winston and you say winstonians tend to go to one side or another in a big way and they don't care what the rest of the world thinks. what do they think of steve bannon who you just saw at this roy moore rally? because there's all sorts of talk we get about alabamans don't want to be told by outsiders how to vote.
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you can't be more of an outsider than steve bannon. >> well, he was trying to stress that he was a virginian tonight and how proud he was to be an in alabama. you know, it's interesting. bannon has a certain savage energy and yet there's an air of condescension in the way he talks to the people he claims to be defending. boasting about the georgetown education and then assures him he is one of those elitists who think the people of alabama are embarrassingly stupid. so it's a -- the moore campaign and bannon's appearances have been rather awkward. they've kept roy moore out of sight as much as possible. in winston county, which is rural county, i don't think bannon has penetrated the consciousness at all. they're fixiated on the sexual allegations and hurting moore in
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the church community there and hurting him even more in the wealthier republican suburbs in birmingham and montgomery. >> talk about those suburbs far moment because in your piece you talk about driving through those suburbs and not seeing a single roy moore sign. >> that's true. and the -- a cultural split in the alabama republican party that mirrors the split in the national republican party. and contrary to alabama's rustic image the suburbs are full of highly educated and many cases people working in scientific and technical careers. and, you know, birmingham now is one of the most sophisticated restaurant cities in america. so, these are people who have some sophistication and for a long time have felt that they were being ridiculed unfairly by the nation because the state is
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dominated by the old wallace-ite bloc and so this -- the hope in those suburbs, particularly i think among the soccer mom faction who have taken these sexual allegations very seriously, i think the hope there is that this will finally be a breakout election where alabama has a watershed victory for a more progressive candidate. it will also be a miracle and a tribute to doug jones that he is run a very effective campaign despite a virtually democratic party in alabama. >> let's listen to steve bannon tonight actually joining in the lock her up chant and this is at a rally for a candidate who is accused of child molestation. let's listen to this. >> lock her up. senator sessions, are you listening?
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[ cheers and applause ] this would be senator sessions seat, now wouldn't it? come on, senator sessions. you got to work with us on this one. >> joining us the discussion now, charlie sykes, author of book "how the right lost its mind." and, charlie, there's steve bannon, hard to hear him and joining in the lock her up chants and calling on senator sessions, doesn't seem to realize that the title now is attorney general and does seem to think that he has the power to lock her up. actually, calling on jeff sessions to join in this lock her up crusade. >> well, this is an ugly and a defining moment that trumpism and bannonism brought the republican party, isn't it? i'm glad that howell raines pointed out the legacy of george wallace. this is not the legacy of ronald
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reagan here. this is the make wallace, you know, wallace-ite politics great again and very interesting whether or not you do have the coalition of the decent turning out in alabama, soccer moms or african-american voters or republicans of richard shelby looking and going this is too far. you look at that rally tonight, and you see this collection of the deplorables and, you know, one would hope that it would be the high watermark of jubannoni but one way or another an ugly outcome for the republicans and donald trump. >> howell's been telling us about the sophistication of birmingham and i visited a couple of years and i know what you mean. i want to go to doug jones tonight appealing to that, birmingham and selma and montgomery. let's listen to this. >> you know our history. it is all here in birmingham. it's in selma. its in montgomery.
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i was so happy to be in montgomery on december 1st, the anniversary of rosa parks sitting down at a bus and not moving. and let me tell you. i was so happy because let me tell you something. if we have ever had a year of courageous women, it is 2017! right now! [ cheers and applause ] i'm so happy before all of that happened that those issues were important to us. >> howell raines, i can't think of a senate election with more of a stark contrast of the republican and democrat in a long time. >> doug jones is a remarkable figure, not just because he was a successful prosecutor of planned murderers. he's the first candidate in my lifetime and i started covering george wallace in '65, who's candidly addressed the question of alabama's historic
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inferiority complex. alabamans always 'em barrel raszed themselves by the people they elect and then complained that the nation looks down on them. and so, doug jones is trying to address that directly and i think has as i say this could be the night or the day tomorrow when a new alabama that's been struggling to be born will finally possibly step forward. >> and, charlie sykes, george wallace cast a long shadow on this program last year. george wallace' 1968 presidential campaign manager told us when he heard donald trump campaigning he was hearing george wallace. >> yes. absolutely. you know, by the way, i have the go back to something you said earlier, lawrence, citing that column saying if you went into a laboratory and create two people designed to discredit the republican party and evangelical christians you could not do a better job than creating donald
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trump and roy moore. so, you know, yeah. it is this throwback to an uglier, darker era in our history, and, you know, from the point of view of republicans, if roy moore wins, in many ways, thes a worse outcome than he is defeated and would be an electrifying victory for the democrats but a victory by roy moore makes this what should be a local regional embarrassment into a national defining moment for the republican party in a way to regret bitterly in 2018. >> charlie sykes, thank you. howell raines of "the new york times" and proud native son of alabama, thank you very much, howell, joining us tonight. can't think of anyone i'd rather hear from what's happening there. thank you. >> thank you, lawrence. coming up, a nbc news exclusive report on the questions that robert mueller is asking about president trump's conversations. and an exclusive interview with former treasury secretary lawrence summers.
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in an exclusive report nbc news has new details about the
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focus of special prosecutor robert mueller's investigation. quote, robert mueller is trying to piece together what happened inside the white house over a critical 18-day period that began when senior officials were told that national security adviser michael flynn was susceptible to blackmail by russia. according to multiple people familiar with the matter. sources tell nbc news that during interviews robert mueller's investigators have asked witnesses including white house counsel don mcgahn to go through each day that michael flynn remained as neighal security adviser after then acting attorney general sally yates warned the white house that michael flynn might be compromised. nbc news reports some of those interviewed by mueller's team believe the goal is in part to determine if there was a deliberate effort by president trump or top officials in the west wing to cover up the information about flynn that
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sally yates conveyed to mcgahn on january 26. michael flynn was fired 18 days later on february 13th. according to two people familiar with the probe, mueller is trying to determine why flynn remained in his post for 18 days after trump learned of yates' warning. wh he appears to be interested in whether trump directed michael flynn to lie to senior officials including pence or the fbi and if so why. the sources said. on february 9th, "the washington post" published a report saying that michael flynn haud privately discussed sanctions with the russian ambassador before president trump took office, four days after that donald trump fired michael flynn. joining us now, julia ainsley, national security and justice reporter for nbc news, one of the reporters who broke that story today and jill wine-banks special prosecutor of watergate
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and contributor. julia, this seems to be a very focused target of robert mueller's, staring at the 18 days, wanting the know each day why did you keep him another day. >> right, lawrence. so what we understand just based on the questions that mueller's team has been asking witnesses recently is that they're really focusing on the time that passed between the time that don mcgahn, the white house counsel, got that warning from sally yates that michael flynn might be compromised, subject to blackmail lying to the vice president about the contacts with the russians saying that he did not, in fact, discuss sanctions and he did. right now, mueller is focusing in on this and he has the key tools in order to do this at this point because as you know michael flynn recently pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi and has become a cooperating witness. right now, robert mueller's team
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in the key position where they have got one cooperating witness who can tell them everything they need to know about that 18 days and then they can go to key members, many of whom are still inside this white house, and ask them for their account of the 18 days and see how those two line up. so they don't have to just go on flynn's word. and they can also really hold people's feet to the fire if they try to kind of skirt around what happened during this time. at the heart of this, what mueller's really trying to figure out whether or not the president directed michael flynn to lie to the fbi and whether or not he then knew he had lied to the fbi and used that when he pressured james comey to drop the flynn investigation. that would be a case for obstruction. >> julia, i want to wrote more from your nbc news reporting about how this could go to an obstruction case. it says if trump knew his national security adviser lied to the fbi in the early days of his administration it would raise serious questions about
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why flynn was not fired until february 13th and whether trump was attempting to obstruct justice when fbi director james comey says the president pressured him to drop his investigation in to flynn. trump fired comey on may 9th. jill, your reaction to this? >> i think it shows two things. it shows that mueller is looking at an obstruction of justice case. but he's also looking at whether there was a conspiracy to work with the russians and whether flynn did that and whether the president knew about it and when he knew about it. and it's very important because it's not just the collusion as we're calling it although it's really conspiracy and it's not just the obstruction, but it's the danger to america that might have happened when you have someone who's been compromised by a foreign power. and who is working at the highest levels of the white house and hasn't been fired. so, it's not just the president
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firing the fbi director but not firing the person who was lying. so it is a very serious and good way to look and the mueller i'm sure has calendars that he can go back and look at. what everybody did every single day and that's a good way to catch people who aren't telling the full truth. >> and julia ainsley, there's a fact base here that's unchallengeable which is donald trump did not fire michael flynn until after "the washington post" reported that michael flynn had these contacts with the russian ambassador. and so, one obvious question for the trump administration is, what changed? what changed after "the washington post" made that report that, nlg, how would that have changed anything since you already knew this? >> exactly. it seems like they decided that all of a sudden since it went public, the firing more of a kind of save our image answer than it was to really preserve
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the integrity of this white house since they did not fire him after the initial warning from sally yates. another thing that yates said in her testimony that's really key is don mcgahn asked her on january 26 how michael flynn did in the fbi interview and declined to tell him but it's obvious that this question was on their mind and former formal prosecutors we spoke to and i'm sure jill would say the same thing saying any lawyer in don mcgahn's position would have turned to michael flynn saying, so, did you fly to the fbi? what did you tell them? >> jill, a quick reaction to that point of the white house counsel asking basically the acting head of the justice department how did my guy do in the fbi interview? >> julia has it exactly right. anybody who was in that position as a lawyer would have asked flynn, did you lie? what did you say? and, what is the problem that i have to deal with now that i
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know that? and i believe that it is also clear that mcgahn would have told all of that to the president. i think there's some evidence that mcgahn did tell the president right after sally yates warned him that there was a compromise going on. and so that the president knew before he fired comey that there was a problem and when he asked him to drop the investigation it makes it look very much like it was an obstruction of justice. i think that's pretty good evidence of obstruction. >> jill, julia, thank you both for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, samantha holvey an accuser of donald trump who went public again today will join us. clubhouse, but we call it "the wish house". (mom) and it just immediately brought something positive in our life. "oh, i gotta get up get matthew on his treatment." (matthew) it's not that bad, though. (mom) yeah.
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wow! that is the serve that roger federer used to win more tennis matches than any other man playing the game today. but steve mnuchin could beat him. the trump treasury secretary could beat federer if we just make an assumption or two. the fastest serve roger federer has ever hit sent the ball across the net at 143 miles per hour. so if we assume that steve mnuchin can consistently send serves across the net accurately at 150 miles per hour then mnuchin can beat federer.
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but no one would ever bet on steve mnuchin to beat roger federer because no one was make a crazy assumption about mnuchin's 150-mile-a-hour serve and this is a season of crazy assumptions of republicans not just trying to pass the biggest tax cut but most economists see as the worst tax legislation in history. the joint tax committee, official scorer of tax legislation, said it will increase the deficit and debt by a trillion and a half dollars but changing the assumptions to what they consider very optimistic forecasting for economic growth they then estimate that the tax cuts will increase the deficit and debt by only a trillion dollars. just a trillion. that leaves republicans voting for a bill that adds at least trillion dollars to the national debt. what can a president who pretend
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to care about the deficit and dealt do about this? assume it all away. that's what the president and republicans decided to do. assume that the bill won't increase the deficit. today steve mnuchin put that assumption in the most ridiculous document ever issued by the treasury department to support tax legislation. this is a single page that assumes that the economy will grow at 2.9% because of the tax cuts and to an economist this stuff sounds exactly like assuming that steve mnuchin or donald trump can hit a tennis ball at 150 miles per hour. this piece of paper is a lie. this piece of paper has no one's name on it anywhere. there's no name on it. steve mnuchin allowed this piece of paper to be distributed today by the treasury but he refused to put his name on it or the name of anyone working in the treasury department. former treasure secretaries
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follow a tlags of not criticizing the current treasury secretary even when they're in different parties but former treasury secretary lawrence summers has broken that tradition because of pieces of paper like this. he has broken that tradition because the trump republican tax cut package is the worst tax legislation he has ever seen. former treasury secretary and current harvard economics professor lawrence summers joins us next. ♪ if you wear a denture, you not only want a clean feeling every day, you want your denture to be stain free.
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no amount of fake math can change the fact that the republican tax bill will be a boon to the wealthiest of americans and the largest corporations while increasing taxes for millions of middle class families and leaving 13 million people without health care. republicans still have time to turn back from this ugly, awful bill. >> joining us now for an exclusive interview is lawrence summers, harvard economics professor and a former economic adviser to president obama. professor summers, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i know you recall that earlier in the year treasury secretary steve mnuchin said that there were hundreds of people, he said hundreds of people working in the treasury department on their own analysis of the tax plan and this is what we got today. this one sheet of paper. references the office of tax policy but doesn't actually
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credit them with doing any work that we recognize here. no names on this. i've never seen a document like this. what was your reaction when you finally saw this? >> i've never seen anything like it either. it's not a study. its a weak press release. it's not an analysis. it's a set of claims. look. here's the secretary -- here was the secretary's problem. he has a highly professional career staff. if he let that highly professional career staff do an analysis with dynamic scoring that took account of economic growth and all of that that staff would reach the same conclusion the joint tax committee staff reached which is that bill doesn't come close to paying for itself. releasing that is what always happens. you ask the nonpartisan staff at the treasury to score bills. he didn't do that.
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he had promised an analysis and so he had to do something. so what he did was he did an analysis that assumed the administration's economic forecast was true. now, you know, you showed in your introduction, if i assume i can serve the ball 150 miles per hour i'd be a hell of a tennis player. if i assume there was no gravity i would be terrific at the high jump. if you make a crazy assumption then you can get any conclusion you want. so he derived the conclusion that if you took the administration's economic forecast which is a million miles from the professional consensus then the administration's conclusion would follow. but nobody believes the administration's economic forecast. look. many things can happen. and so, the way i like to explain it to people, lawrence,
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is to say, it might turn out to be 70 degrees in 65 degrees, 70 degrees, something like that in washington, d.c. on christmas day. you can't say for sure that will not happen. but it's a wildly unreasonable forecast of the temperature on christmas day. in the same way, economists don't know that much. surprises happen. but 2.9% average growth for the next decade isn't anybody's assumption as to what the economy is going to generate going forward. so, they've taken an assumption that's absurd, not defended the assumption and then shown that it's consistent with an absurd conclusion. that's not an analysis. that won't persuade anybody who's trying to look at
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evidence. i thought it was -- i think it was the treasury of a graet institution and i think it was an embarrassing moment for it. and i think all of you in the press and everyone in congress who believes in good policymaking should want to know what the treasury staff believes. >> you have made a point in recent op-ed piece which i haven't seen anyone else make which is they're selling this as a stimulus that provoke economic growth. but you're saying the way the economy is running right now it can't really absorb or make real use of this kind of stimulus. >> i think it's unlikely. i mean, normal argument for stimulus is when you need to bring down the unemployment rate. that's when you have stimulus. right now, we've got the lowest unemployment rate in 17 years. and we have got the fed looking to put the brakes on the expansion by raising rates.
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what i'd expect if this happens is there will be more upwards pressure on the economy. therefore, the fed will have to hit the brakes harder and we'll see higher interest rates and the higher interest rates burden people trying to take out mortgages to buy the first homes, will burden people who have to unlike secretary mnuchin have to borrow money to buy their car or take out an installment loan to buy furniture. so, i think this is another respect in which this is a burdensome and unnecessarily burdensome way to approach the economy. >> former treasury secretary lawrence summers, thank you very much for joining us once again tonight on this legislation. really important. thanks. really appreciate having you here. >> glad to be here. >> thank you. coming up, donald trump's accusers are not agoing away. one of those accusers samantha
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today you got, you know, kristin gillibrand and bernie sanders all saying you have to step down because of billy bush week. i thought we litigated. that didn't the american people already vote on that one? alabama's the fire break in all that. [ cheers ]
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judge moore wins tomorrow, it's a different deal. you understand that. right? [ cheers ] >> the women who have accused donald trump of sexual harassment and assault are not going away. after three of them appeared on megyn kelly today this morning followed bay press conference senator gillibrand said this. >> president trump should resign. these allegations are credible. they're are numerous. i've heard these women's testimony. and many of them are heart breaking. and president trump should resign his position whether he will ever hold himself accountable is something, you know, you really can't hold your breath for and so congress should have hearings. they should do their investigation. they should have appropriate investigations of his behavior and hold him accountable. >> senator gillibrand became the fourth senator called for the president's resignation. each of those senators have also called for al frankness's
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resignation last week for less than donald trump accused of. donald trump has said all of the allegations are lies. now, that is the person who has been caught publicly telling more lies than any politician in american history.history. he says what the women are saying is not true. other democrats are now calling for a congressional investigation of the president's conduct. senator ron wyden tweeted, these women are right. if donald trump won't resign, congress must investigate allegations by many, many women that he sexually assaulted or hurt them. no one is above the law. the house of representatives tomorrow, 56 women members, all democrats, will be making a statement, calling on the house oversight committee to investigate the accusations against donald trump. today one of donald trump's accusers said this. >> i want to believe that as americans we can put aside our political inclinations and admit that some things in fact do transcend politics. that we will hold mr. trump to
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the same standard as harvey weinstein and the other men who were held accountable for their reprehensible behavior. therefore, i ask that congress put aside their party affiliations and investigate mr. trump's history of sexual misconduct. >> joining rachel crooks were samantha holvey and leads. samantha holvey will join us next. this is a power plant. this is tim barckholtz. that's me! this is something he is researching at exxonmobil: using fuel cells to capture carbon emissions at power plants. this is the potential. reducing co2 emissions by up to 90%... while also producing more power. this could be big. energy lives here. i'm uit. i would doubt myself that i could actually quit. that i could climb that hill and get over it. i really honestly don't believe i could have
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yesterday one member of the trump administration u.n. ambassador nikki haley said she thinks the women accusing donald trump of sexual misconduct should be heard. >> i know that he was elected, but, you know, women should always feel comfortable coming forward. and we should all be willing to listen to them. >> joining us now, samantha holvey. samantha, it has been a long day for you and i appreciate you joining us tonight with this. tell us what your experience with donald trump was. >> so, my first interaction was trump towers. we were doing a press event and he had all 51 girls stand on the red carpet -- >> this was for the miss usa? >> miss usa 2006. i was miss north carolina usa and just turned 20 years old. and i was expecting kind of a meet and greet, hi, how are you doing, you know, lots of eye contact. and he moved down the line and he got to me and i introduced myself, and we shook hands. and he was just looking me up
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and down like i was a piece of meat. and i was so disturbed and grossed out by this interaction. and then i was just like, all right, i hope that's it. i hope that's the only interaction i have to have with this guy. and then the night of finals, which imagine all of the hard work, the money, preparation that goes into this dream -- >> the pressure. >> so much pressure. and so i'm in makeup and there is a large back stage area and there is a secluded part for hair and makeup, lots of security to make sure nobody messes with us. i'm in hair and makeup with hot rollers in my hair and nothing but a robe on. and he comes waltzing in, and not like a are you nervous, how are you doing, not that. which that also would have been weird, but it wasn't -- it was no sort of camaraderie. it was just a, i own you. you're my property, and i just want to check things out. and i was just like, what?
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and then he walked into the dressing room. there's only one entrance in and out of the dressing room. he walked into the dressing room where no men are allowed, just the contest ants. and our chaperones. and he walked right on in and i just could not believe it. i had never seen a director back stage, let alone walking into the dressing room or a man in the dressing room, was just ridiculous to me and how awful. >> we have a corroborating witness for you to listen to. this is donald trump talking a year before this happened to you. let's listen to this. >> i'll go back stage before a show and everyone is getting dressed and ready and everything else. and you know, no men are anywhere -- and i'm allowed to go in because i'm the owner of the pageant, i'm inspecting it. i want to make sure everything is good. is everyone okay? standing there with no clothes. is everybody okay, you see these incredible looking women. and so i sort of get away with things like that. >> how does it feel when you hear him saying that, when you
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think back to your own experience with it? >> you know, that last comment, i get away with things like that. no, sir, no, sir. i've been telling my story, i've been sharing my experience since then. i was disgusted then. i'm disgusted now. i'm hoping the country is listening now. i tried last year and i think i'm hoping that since we have come together as a unit of women saying we didn't know each other before this, look at, you know, all of the similarities in the stories. and in my case, i'm just confirming what he himself -- you just heard him bragging about this. i'm just confirming that he was right, he did do that. >> is there -- does it feel different for you talking about this year than last year, after all of these stories that have come out about other men in the last few months especially, from that harvey weinstein massive expose in "the new york times" and today? >> it does feel different.
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i will say that i was, you know, a little angry when all of these hollywood guys were being held accountable and i'm like, hold on, what about the president? he can't be held accountable for what he's done for demonstrated behavior throughout decades? he's not held accountable? i didn't think that was right. i was angry about that. but i was also grateful that more women were sharing their stories all over the country. they felt empowered enough to share, because i think a lot of men, there are so many good men out there, and because we as women are ashamed of these experiences, we don't talk about them. and so the good guys don't know that this is the kind of behavior we deal with daily. and so for good guys to be able to stand up for the women and women to be able to stand up for women is very powerful. >> samantha holvey, thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. samantha holvey gets tonight's last word. up next peter baker of the "the new york times" talks to peter
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williams about his article that takes us inside the daily struggle in the white house of trying to get the president to focus on his job. the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. >> tonight, just minutes away from election day in alabama, roy moore amid allegations of sexual misconduct calls in steve bannon for the final pitch as doug jones and the democrats try to pull off a rare alabama victory. also, the white house on defense about renewed accusations against donald trump who is reportedly infuriated with nikki haley after she said the women should be heard. and 18 days under the harsh blair of the mueller investigation, nbc news reporting on the focus on michael flynn's short tenure inside that west wing. the 11th hour on a monday night begins now. and good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. as we start a new week, day 326 of the trump administration, a


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