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immigration yesterday and a conversation about haiti africa and al salvador the president of the united states reportedly asked quote, why are we having all these people from all these s-hole countries come here. for hours the white house did not deny it and this morning after fox news called for him to apologize, donald trump tweeted this was not the language used. today senator dick durbin in that room with the president confirmed to us that the president did use the s word and he called donald trump's language racist. >> do we need more haitians and then he described the immigration from africa that was being protected in this bipartisan measure. that's when he used these vile and vulgar comments calling the
nations they come from shitholes. the exact word used by the president not just once but repeatedly. that was the nature of this conversation. >> for those who think this is all too familiar that's because it is. donald trump was sued under anti-discrimination laws when he was a real estate developer. he launched his campaign by calling mexican immigrants rapists. he wanted to ban all muslims from coming into the united states. donald trump said your muslim neighbors are building bombs in their living rooms. donald trump said a federal judge couldn't be fair because of his mexican heritage. donald trump retweets white supremacists on twitter. donald trump paused when asked to condemn knee oh nazis and reportedly called african nations s-hole countries. our reporters are here. mrs. jackson is joining me and
joy reed and the host of am joy. fill rutgers is a white house bureau chief for "the washington post." i want to start with you because you were on the campaign trail with me and heard a lot of the sayings that i just listed right there. and then you heard all the explanations and defenses from those around donald trump about why that does not mean he is a racist. we're getting the same thing today in public spheres but i want to get a sense from you what it's like inside the white house today and what your sources are saying about whether or not he did in fact say these things. >> i'll tell you since this first broke, first reported by "the washington post" our team has been reporting out exactly what is happening behind the doors behind me here inside the west wing. looking into what exactly the reaction was, what exactly happened. let me tell you the newest thing we have learned which is my reporting along with jeff bennett at the white house unit that the president was working the phones after all of this coverage happened late last night on the s-hole remarks
looking for reassurance i'm told by one source familiar with the calls and also told his mood was belligerent not at the people he was calling but at coverage at the fallout overall. he was apparently according to another source looking for some insight into how all of this might resonate with his base. so clearly, this is something the president is looking at, watching, seeing what the response is. now, for about seven hours last night as we were running around behind us here making phone calls, there wasn't a white house official who denied that the president made these comments. there just wasn't. this morning a lot of people woke up to a very different tack from the president in which he said this language was not used. what seemed to be a denial reiterated by a spokesperson saying that the television saying the president did not use this language. it was on the record conversation who a sitting
senator said he also said it more than once and other senators saying we don't remember and silence first responder the other five lawmakers, or three or four who were in the room in addition to senator durbin and cotton and purdue as well. the bottom line, that this happened and this is what i've heard from people who are inside this white house should in the be a surprise in that the president used this colorful language. that's how he talks. >> yeah. >> he uses language like this. i think to that regard, people weren't surprised although dick durbin said he was getting ready to walk out of the room maybe, was at least debating if that's something he should do. we haven't heard from senator graham. he's somebody who a year ago when i first covered this white house was a real voice against some of what donald trump was pushing and doing recently in the last couple of months he has made himself an ally of this president. what does he have to say about this? that's what we're waiting to
find out. >> how far is the white house willing to go to deny the president said this? are they willing to go on the record calling dick durbin a liar? >> they haven't yet. i just asked -- you know, i was up talking with -- i was talking with a white house source and the line was listen, there are senators who have no recollection of that comment being made. and would not go so far as to say that senator durbin was a liar. i think that is sort of territory that nobody wants to touch just yet at this point. a lot of folks in the white house, at least this source is laying out what we know so far which is the president tweeting, he used tough language, acknowledging it, but not this kind of language to senators to say they don't remember him using the language and the on the record comment from senator durbin who says he said it and he said it more than once. >> senator purdue was this and senator cotton was there and their statement says they don't recall the president saying
these things. congressman goodlat has no comment right now. congressman dalart doesn't want this keeping the beneficiaries safe. nothing from lindsey graham or kevin mccarthy. we got a statement from john mccain, not in that room but on paper saying respect for the god-given dignity of every human being no matter their race or circumstances of their birth is the essence of american patri patriotism is to oppose the very idea of america and people should reflect that in this country including the president of the united states and that he should respect it. joy, joy take it away. >> you know, i find that interesting that the republican senators are refusing to comment. no one is calling dick durbin a liar because does anybody disbelieve donald trump said
exactly what he said? his entire history is replete with racism from he was sued by the nixon administration when i first moved back to new york he was going after the central park five saying they should be executed and racist against president obama for the entirety of his presidency and was a birther, was one of the original og birthers which was a racist smear against the president of the united states. the irony is that he lives in a house built by africans, build by enslaved people. and he lives there rent-free courtesy of the american people. lives in a city that is majority african-american. he lived in queens which is the city with the most caribbean people, it has the largest caribbean population than any other boroughs in new york. i would say that the entirety of the african-american and broader
black community does not believe him, is not interested in him or what he has to say. >> these are your parents? >> those are my mom and dad. let me say to donald trump who does watch tv, when my mother got here in 1960, she came here by way of great britain and she didn't come here to steal from the american people or to be on welfare. she came here to get a ph.d. as did my father who came here to get an education. all of the international immigrants to the united states pay into our colleges and they are -- their governments pay their tuition so they keep our colleges financially sound. my family who came by the chain migration, my mother signed the documents to get her siblings here, are doctors taking care of american lives and children and adults. are accountants taking care of american's money. are government workers taking care of the business of the united states. my family has done a lot for
this country and sorry, donald trump, but i won't continue this comment. >> i had a conversation with congressman john lewis and i wanted to get his reaction to this. i remember he had said in the past he didn't think donald trump was a legitimate president. he is a champion of equal rights across this country. and here's a little of what he told me. >> it is unreal, it is unbelievable to hear the president of the united states of america saying something like this. during this day and age. we've come so far and made so much progress and sometimes i feel like mr. trump is not really in tune with what the american people have been all about. to redeem the soul of america. to a beloved community.
>> at the same time donald trump is having this event at the white house where he's honoring dr. martin luther king. when you watched that, what was your reaction? >> my reaction is he doesn't have the moral authority to even speak the words of dr. king. he just doesn't. he has given up the moral authority of the presidency and sad to see that in the white house. it's a politically sacred place and he doesn't fill it. >> phil donald trump tweeted this morning after watching fox news, fox news anchors were saying he should apologize. i want to know how much does he rely on fox and what could they tell him he wouldn't do? >> he relies a lot on fox. just yesterday the scandal at the white house before the report about the president's comments was that he had these two tweets about the fisa law renewal and reacting in response to a fox news personality on
television. >> that same one told him to apologize and the tweet we got wasn't an apology but was a denial. >> he refuses to apologize. he had an opportunity today with the press corp in the oval office with him to apologize. he said nothing. he wouldn't answer any questions about whether he was a racist or why he said what he said in that meeting yesterday. joy, and you are right, he said it. no doubt about that. and he just refuses to own up to his language and his actions. >> at what point though does a pattern stop being a pattern and start being a characteristic. donald trump has done all these things and a lot of folks are trying to find a way not to call him a racist. and a lot of people are probably screaming at the television right now saying you know, katie, phil, why are you not calling him a racist. at what point do you have to say it and not just try and say well, these comments are racist? the u.n. is calling the comments
racist. >> it's not just the comments. if you had opening in your show you had a long list of actions and things he has said in his private and political life and as president and that adds up to a character trait. and a characteristic in his as a human being. >> d.r.e.a.m.e.r.ers, what he's this going to do for the immigration debate? >> on that question is the white house concern about the immigration debate? i spoke with one white house source who said listen, acknowledging this is not helpful but doesn't think it's going to derail talks, acknowledge that there may need to be a cooling off period for right now. but never believe there would be a daca deal before friday. always thought the daca deal would take longer. that position in this white house's view has not changed. they thought it was a prolonged process and think it still is with what was described to me as ups and downs but there is a
sense inside this west wing that there are enough people who want to get a deal on d.r.e.a.m.e.r.s and that will ultimately happen. there's optimism even given all of this. it's important to note that senator tim scott said they were confirmed. and if you look at what's happening right now, the president was making calls about the reaction to this and so forth. and so i think that speaks to the moment as well. >> absolutely. "the washington post" and "new york times" also tracking donald trump's false or misleading claims. over the last 355 days, 2000 false or misleading claims. 5.6 claims a day. is it any wonder that people don't believe donald trump when he says when he denies something, is it any wonder people don't believe sara hurk besanders when she will be asked this question and turn it on
rot reporters and say how dare you ask this question? >> president trump doesn't deal in facts. he deals in his own reality and he's not a credible narrater of his own presidency. we have seen that every day when he exaggerates, he misstates and some cases lies and some of his spokes people do as well. >> joy, what's next? >> i think what's relevant is that donald trump's personal racism is one thing. it's been known for a very long time and the issue is that he stacked his administration with people of like mind. when you're talking about the daca deal you have steven miller who has claimed as a mentee and standing in the way of getting any kind of immigration deal, you have in the attorney general's office somebody who made it his life's mission to stop immigration into the united states. there is enough policy there and enough people inside the white house of like mind that will put themselves between this president and any kind of a fair deal for immigrants. >> this is a question i ask all
the democrats that come onboard and i'm curious for your answer. should the democrats run on trying to impeach him in 2018 or does it need to be decided by the american public? >> the democrats would be crazy not to put on the table that the if you believe that donald trump's presidency is dangerous, the only way to stop it is to put the opposition party in charge. that's logic. if you see lindsey graham supine behavior toward donald trump the way he has prospective traited himself there would be no heroes on the republican side. if you believe donald trump's presidency is dangerous you have only one way to stop it. you put the democrats in charge of the house or the senate and they can check him. >> should they impeach him? >> democrats, i think, have plenty of impeachable offenses on the table. we have people that said impeachable offenses are all over the place and the only way to get to impeachment is democratic control of the house.
republicans will never, ever, ever, impeach the president full stop. >> but running on it is my question. >> if i were still in politics i would say yeah run on it. why not? >> joy reed host of am joy every saturday and sunday here on msnbc. phil rutgers reporter for "the washington post". halle, thank you. later this hour we'll have more of my interview with georgia congressman john lewis. we'll talk about everything from the president's controversial remarks to oprah in the oval office. but after a quick break, donald trump snubs america's biggest ally announcing he's cancelling a trip to london and blaming it on president obama but folks across the pond aren't buying it. >> he's got hundreds and thousands of people that will be here peacefully protesting against his visit.
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i think that trump's cancellation of this visit was not to do with the embassy as he tweeted overnight. but i think it was to do with, you know, the reception he expected to get here. >> london mayor said it looks like president trump got the message. londoners don't want him there. by the way, that's not city con. last night he announced he would
not visit the british capital because of the obama administration's bad deal to sell the current embassy for quote peanuts and build a new one in an off location. here's the facts. the decision to move the embassy was made in 2008 by the bush administration because the building -- because of building concerns about about it's security of that facility. the obamacare administration sold the building for an unknown amount, between $400 million and $700 million. and woody johnson had to play clean up and praised the new embassy in london's evening standard newspaper and explained it was paid for by the sale of other u.s. properties in london. joining me here to take a closer look is ian brenner. a risk research and consulting firm and author of "super power." three choices for america's rule in the world. i don't think many people
believed donald trump is not going to london because of an embassy he doesn't like. the people of london have been disstain for president saying they don't want him to visit and horr horror expressed of the idea standing next to the queen in a state visit. what is going on? britain is one of our closest allies, if we can't -- if this president can't find a way to visit the u.k. where does that leave us? >> this was the best decision he's made. >> tell me why. >> because it wasn't just a london issue, the city of london, it's very international. they do demonstrate a -- there were plans to bring a lot of people in from outside of london to protest this. it was going to be a problem. theresa may is under an enormous amount of stress.
brexit is problematic. she had a cabinet restructure that did not go well. the last thing she needs is to welcome an incredibly unpopular trump with all of the social discontent that would bring. it's good that trump found a way to get away from that trip. >> s-holcoe comments? >> of all of the things trump has done in his first year, what bothers you the most and tony blair said the fact that the transatlantic relationship is in such disarray. european allies look at the united states and look at trump and say this guy does not support what we support. he doesn't promote our common values, our relationship. he is not trying to undermine nato anymore but in terms of the ability to work to common purpose, it's not there. and shit-holcomb incidee commen-
i probably think the whole countries, i personal found it less offensive than i did the earlier commentary. but it's no different than certainly the kinds of things we learned to expect. >> what does it do for our relationship, our intelligence relationship, does itcomments, around the world, the fact he can't visit our closest ally, does that affect the way other countries deal with us when it comes to fighting mutual enemies? >> the military and the intelligence coordination is very clear that we have shared adversaries and shared interest in those bureaucratic relationships still work. the u.s. intelligence was hurt
and had a much more impact on those relationships than trump has. but if you want to talk about the broad orientation of governments away from the united states and towards other countries like for example, china, i mean, when you call african states shit-hole countries and china is the dominant economy in those places you think they're going to work more closely with the united states or not? this is such a blessing for the chinese president xi jinping. they would have rather waited until they had more influence to say we're large and in charge but they understand they have an unprecedented opportunity to push leadership and not have blowback from other countries because of trump. because of america first. because of shit-hole countries. >> ian, thanks for coming in. next up, my interview with civil rights icon congressman john lewis who reacts to the president's remarks during
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senator lindsey graham spoke up and made a direct comment on what the president said. i was very proud of him. it took courage for what he did. >> the bipartisan backlash to the president's reported vulgar comments about african nations yesterday started immediately according to democrat who was in the room but it did not stop in that room. democratic congressman john lewis has represented georgia's fifth congressional district for more than 30 years and also a central figure in the civil rights movement and marched alongside dr. martin luther king jr. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> i want to get your first reaction to the president describing some nations as s-hole nations. >> well, it is unreal.
it is unbelievable to hear the president of the united states of america saying something like this. during this day and age. we've come so far and made so much progress and sometime i feel like mr. trump is not really in tune with what the american people have been all about. to redeem the soul of america. to the beloved community. we're one people. we're one family. we all live in the same house. the american house. and i don't think language like this is in keeping with the future of our country or the future of the planet. >> congressman there's a lot of parsing today. some people are saying his comments are racist. other people are looking at the history of what he has said in the past. for instance launching his
campaign by calling mexican immigrants, at least some of them rapists and pointing to that saying it makes it clear the president of the united states is a racist. do you think he's a racist? >> well, i think the words and his action tend to speak like one who knows something about being a racist. it must be in his dna, in his makeup, but it's frightening to have someone in the office of the president in 2018 speaking the way that he is speaking. we've come too far and made too much progress to go back to fan the flames of racism and bigotry.
when the pope spoke to the congress he said we're all immigrants, we all come from some other place. >> today he honored mlk jr. and he had a ceremony at the white house. this is coming as these comments are being heard around the world. what do you think of the dis-seppcy between what he's reported as saying and what he did today? >> i think the words that he spoke and the action that he took to honor dr. martin luther king jr. are incompatible. you cannot speak the words of tolerance and peace and love and nonviolence and then put down a group of people, a nation of people because of the color of
their skin. of what part of the world they may come from. >> you have a colleague, republican congressman jim wornossi of ohio and he's defended the president. he said i know a lot of the times he's saying what people are thinking, i always say judge the president after four years, let's judge the president after what we have done, not what he says. does it make it okay if people believe what he's saying what people are thinking? is. >> it is not okay. it is not okay, it is not right. it is not in keeping with the future of america. we are people of color, we're black, we're white, we're latino, we're asian american, we're native american, we're
muslim, christian, jewish and as dr. king has said over and over again, we must learn to live together as brothers and sisters. if not, we'll perish as fools. there is a black leader who spoke during the march on washington in 1963. mothers and fathers all came to this great land in different ships but we're all in the same boat now and dr. king said we must learn to live together, if not we will perish as fools. the president must be a leader. he must be a headlight and not a taillight. >> a year ago congressman, you said this president wasn't legitimate. do you still feel that way today? >> i feel strongly now than ever before. >> do you think that democrats -- >> that the russian has
something to do with the election and we must get the truth. and the truth will come out. >> because of those feelings do you think democrats should run on impeaching donald trump? >> no. i think we should get out there and run on our records. and get out there and have a drum beat that we can do better and we will do much better. to bring this country together and not divide the american people. >> do you think the american people are going to be getting that message from the democrats? >> i think the american voters will get the message that we want to create one america. >> do you -- the state of the union is coming up. do you plan on attending? >> at this juncture i do not plan to attend the state of the union. >> what do you say to those who might push back and say you need to sit in the room with him, you
need to be there, he's the president of the united states, the very least you need to stand up for what you believe in? >> i cannot in all the conscience be in a room with what he has said about so many americans. i just cannot do it. i wouldn't be honest with myself. >> if martin luther king were alive today, what do you think he would say to this president? >> he would say mr. president, wake up. you need to do what is right, you need to do what is fair. you need to be a little more human. and respect the worth of every human being and stop putting people down because of their race, their color or their nationality. >> president obama sat down with
david letterman for his new show on netflix and he said that you inspired him to take the path that he took. take a listen. >> it was actually what carried me through multiple failures not just as an organizer but my every efforts in politics was reminding myself was that the burdens i'm going through, nobody is sicking dogs on me or beating me half to death. >> what do you think of that? >> well, i mind president obama. i'll tell you if he had been my age during the '60s when i was 17 and 18 or when i was 15 or
17, i met rosa parks when i was 17, met dr. king when i was 18, president obama would have been with us. he would have been with us during the freedom rise, during the march on washington, during the march from selma to montgomery. he has a caring heart. and i wish somehow and some way other people would learn from him. >> we're talking about 2020 and two years away and there's a lot of speculation on who might run for the democratic party. after that speech by oprah the other night at the golden globes a lot of people were saying maybe oprah should be the person to challenge donald trump. do you think oprah would make a good candidate? >> well, oprah is smart. she's gifted and i would leave it up to oprah to make that decision but if she got out there to run, i'm sure many of us would be supportive and pushing her along and playing
our part. >> who is the right person to represent your party for 2020? >> oh, i don't have a candidate but i'll tell you someone good will emerge. >> when folks out there say you know, it really needs to be a person of color or needs to be a woman or a woman of color, do you agree with that? >> i just think we need to have our ticket whether it's a woman, a man. i don't think it could be an all-white ticket. i think it got to be a balanced ticket. >> congressman john lewis, appreciate your time, sir. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> happy mlk day. >> same to you. >> breaking news. we have just gotten the statement from senator lindsey graham in the meeting at the white house yesterday with president trump. we heard senator dick durbin
describe senator graham get forceful with the president in pushing back after those s-holcos-hole comments. yesterday senator durbin and i met with president trump at the white house to discuss our bipartisan proposal on border security and immigration. following comments by the president i said my peace directly to him yesterday. the president and all those attending the meeting now know what i said and how i feel. i've always believed that america is an idea, not defined by its people but by its ideals. the american ideal is embraced by people all over the globe. it was best said a long time ago, out of many one, diversity has always been our strength, not our weakness. in reforming immigration, we cannot lose these american ideals. the american people will ultimately judge us not on the outcome we achieve, not the process which led to it. i know the bipartisan proposal
discussed at the white house can get a lot of support from both sides. as always, i look forward considering additional ideas. i appreciate senator durbin's statements and enjoyed working with him and others on this important issue. i believe it is vitally important to come to a bipartisan solution to the immigration and border challenges we face today. i am committed to working with republicans and democrats to find common ground so we can move forward. again, what we have is lindsey graham not denying that the president called african nations s-hole countries not denying the way that senator dick durbin characterized that meeting at the white house although we have yet to see senator lindsey graham come on camera to make any of those remarks. let's get to jeff bennett at the white house. do we have any reaction? >> reporter: no reaction just yet to what we heard from senator graham there. i will tell you even though dick
durbin was clearly not the only lawmaker in the room. he had been the only one to go on the record about what the president was alleged to have said. we have been waiting to see what if anything lindsey graham might say because as you know lindsay graham is a supporter of the president's but also a critic of his in the past. he's worked towards immigration reform for a long time. that's something that's getting lost in the story today is what does all of this mean for daca? i can tell you having spoken to some aides to top democrats on the hill they say this process will move forward. they say that some of the democratic outrage as one person put it was sort of baked into the process. here at the white house you have the reaction being such that they think if anything there'll be a cooling off period burr expect next week to pick up from where they have left off. >> they basically expect that
what we have continued to see since day one that something wild happens, the candidates and now the president says something that is completely unby fitting of the office that he holds or the position he held in running for president. everybody freaks out about it. it dominates cable news for a day or two. and then something else completely wild happens and they talk about that. for the next two or three days. >> reporter: you put your finger on it. this is the cycle which we have grown accustomed. look, one person said even the president himself was surprised to some degree by the reaction because even the words are new, the intent is not. right? think back to what the president said some years ago at a conference. he wondered why there were 11 million illegal immigrants allowed into this country who he said would vote democratic and why there weren't more european
immigrants. you have the comments from the president where he referred to the african nations in a inflammatory way. >> new reporting from the white house unit talking about a career intel jens analyst who stood before president to brief him on the impending release of a family long held in pakistan under uncertain circumstances. it was a her first meeting with the president and when she was done briefing him, the president asked her where she's from. she replied manhattan but he meant where is she from. she's korean. he wanted to know where your people are from according to the officials who spoke off the record. due to the nature of the internal discussions and the story goes on to say that the president wondered why the pretty korean lady isn't
negotiating with north korea on his administration's behalf. can you take us through this reporting more? it seems to underscore that what we're hearing about s-hole nations is again not a one-off remark, this is something that the president does often. >> reporter: some great reporting done. look, it really speaks to the president's uneasy relationship with race and racial issues. there's another nugget contained in the story further down in which a source familiar recounted to me a story where he met with members of the congressional black caucus, one member in the meeting conveyed to the president her concerns about some potential cuts to welfare hand she says you should know all of my constituents are not black. the response was really, then what are they? we're not clear yet whether he thought that everyone who is on welfare is black or whether he thought all congressional black caucus members only serve the black people in their districts. it's two elements in this one
story that put more context around the comments we heard yesterday. >> on the campaign trail he would say to african-americans what the hell do you have to lose in voting for me implying all african-americans were living in poverty and didn't have jobs and needed the helping hand of a president trump. remember, during that news conference last february where the president took a number of questions from reporters and one of them was april ryan talking about if he would meet with the congressional black caucus and he said i don't know, will you help me set it up. april ryan is an african-american reporter. there were questions about why he was asking her to set up a meeting when he's got an entire white house staff that should be able to do that for him. jeff, hold on one second. we have another statement out from hillary clinton. she's talking about haiti. the anniversary of the devastating earthquake eight
years ago is a day to remember the haiti people and said were subjected to trump's ignorant racist views of anyone who doesn't look like him. there's some parsing over what the president was referring to in this meeting when he talked about s-hole african countries but part of a larger conversation where haiti was mentioned and he said he didn't want any more immigrants from haiti as well as el salvador. this is the anniversary of the horrible earthquake down there and that's why so many haitians came to the u.s. because those conditions were completely unlivable. phil rutgers is with us now. phil, this is not the only derogatory statement that's been reported from the president about haiti specific. there was a story in december over the holidays that folks might have missed where "the new york times" found that he said
that everyone from haiti has aids and that everybody from nigeria lives in a mud hut. those were from sources that must have been pretty good because there was a emphatic deniable from sarah huckabee sanders and in order to get over that you have got to have rock solid sources and this only underscores it. it's a similar narrative. there's that and then finally we're getting news from lindsey graham. it's a statement but does he need to go on camera and affirm this stuff? >> i think he should. it would probably help him to do that. clearly, the president doesn't want to see him on tv calling him out for his racist remarks but his statement does that just as well on paper. the point you made about haiti and the response from hillary clinton is striking because i interviewed bill clinton after the hurricane in 2010 about their life-long love affair with haiti. the clintons vacationed there after they were married and went
back again and again and have filled their home with haitian art and it's a special place for them. i don't know if president trump knows that at all but interesting given how fixated he seems that, but he seems to be fixated on hillary clinton these days. >> and releasing a lengthy letter from the meeting yesterday. does not deny he called them s hole countries. senator dick durbin saying lindsey graham pushed back on the president in the meeting at the time of those comments and lindsey graham alludes to it. not exactly what he said. following comments by the president i said my piece to hem directly to him yesterday. talk about graham. >> fascinating figure. during the campaign he was vicious when it came to donald trump. he thought donald trump was a joke. he thought donald trump had no business running for office. he was horrified by him.
and then when he won, he started to kind of move back towards him. then beginning of the administration, when donald trump was saying outrageous things. not saying anything as a change. lindsey graham was often to reporters on-camera not in agreement. lately, much more conciliatory and explaining the president away. >> he sees a lot of power being one of the president's favorite senators. they've gone golfing, have a lot of phone calls together. a lot of small group meetings at the white house together and i think graham feels like he can advance some of the conservative republican policy agenda with the president by being close to him, but it's moments like this graham has to decide. will he stand up for his own values, moral beliefs and his own compass or defend the president? lindsay graham was a republican
saying the gop needs to expand the tent. need to change the way they talk about immigration, the way they talk about hispanics and latinos and people of color in the country and really at the forefront of that push in the republican party which has been totally reversed by donald trump's election and his presidency. >> leigh ann caldwell is on capitol hill. leigh ann, any other reaction from lawmakers? >> reporter: yes. graham is the latest statement we've gotten. lawmakers are pretty silent about this. they're not answering our questions, ignoring this. some aides are talking off the record, but this is really, it's thrown a wrench into these negotiations on daca. it's kind of thrown a wrench into a lot of things on capitol hill. you know, january 19th, next friday, is the deadline for a government shutdown. that's connected to this daca issue, because this is something that was really important for democrats. senator graham's statement was the one we've been waiting for all day. he was silent.
we've only heard publicly from durbin who confirmed this. we know that graham didn't say that this didn't happen, and that he's trying to get things back on track, i'd say. trying to talk about american values and saying that, really, what's most important here is that we move forward on the policy and come together to reach some sort of agreement bipartisan agreement at the issue at hand. that's these d.r.e.a.m.ers. nbc capitol hill reporter leigh ann caldwell. thank you for rushing to a camera for us. >> reporter: thank you. >> let's not lose sight of the other things happening in country. 13 months ago then president-elect donald trump praised carrier, remember? during a visit to its indianapolis plant. >> called greg and i said, it's really important. we have to do something. because you have a lot of people leaving. and you have to understand. we can't allow this to happen anymore with our country. so many jobs are leaving, and
going to other countries. not just mexico. many, many countries. united technologies and carrier stepped it up and now they're keeping actually the number is over 1,100 people, which is so great. >> a few months earlier they said they would move and donald trump trashed the decision claiming if he were president he would not let that happen. just before he took office he and vice president-elect mike pence reached a deal with carrier to keep hundreds of jobs from going to mexico in exchange for millions of dollars in tax incentives. but since then, since that photo op of trump at carrier, since those tax incentives that benefited the company, the company has cut more than 550 jobs at its indianapolis plant. 340 people were laid off in july. another 215 lost their jobs yesterday. one of them is with us. a divorced mother of two who worked at the carrier plant for
five years. >> speaking as much as he did about her. saying the things he said you're not supposed to say. >> stick with me fellas. >> i voted for him. i was hopeful. passion, and like he understood. i don't think he did. i felt like, wow. he used us. >> renee joins us now from indianapolis. renee, thank you for being here. you just said in a video by msnbc news news digital that you felt the president used you? >> yes, i do. how are you today? >> i'm good. how are you? >> thank you for having me. i'm fine, thank you. >> when you say the president used you. can you elaborate on that? >> i just felt he gave us false hope and led us to believe that we were going to keep our jobs and were going to get to stay here in indianapolis and they weren't going to move you know, the plant and the facility and
our jobs to monterrey, mexico, when in fact, he did. he allowed it to happen. >> did you vote for donald trump? >> yes, i did. i went out in the pouring rain actually and voted for donald trump. >> what did you think he would do for you? >> i thought he was -- not going to do for me. not only me. do for 1,400 other individuals besides me. save our jobs. i thought he was going to put a stop to off shoring, a stop sending taxpayers dollars over for federal contracts and do a lot of things that he didn't do. >> he really, he broke that, the blue wall, we like to call it, up in the upper midwest. the democratic blue wall of white working class people, who ended up voting for donald trump thinking that donald trump would help them and their jobs. do you think that that's going to -- from your experience and from talking to -- to your co-workers and people who might have believed in donald trump and might be feeling a different
way, or might not be, is that going to still hold in 2020? >> i don't think everyone's going to be rushing to go and vote for him, or jump on the bandwagon, so to speak, or jump on what he has to say. him or any other candidate in the future, because we all -- i can speak for all of us. we all wanted to believe so badly that he was going to be our white knight and come in and save it all. i mean, we are -- our facility was screaming trump. i mean, when he came here, we couldn't do enough. we couldn't say enough. he was like -- like i said, the white knight to us. and we just all feel so betrayed and lost. i mean, it's -- it's devastating and not just happening to us. it's happening everywhere. >> who do you think donald trump cares about? >> right now i think he only cares about -- i don't know. it's hard to say. i'm not in his head and haven't spoke ton him directly. i can tell you carrier got lost in the fray. i do believe we helped him win the election.
helped him get into the white house, and then whatever happened happens. we were at the meeting. not there when negotiations were made and don't know what he did. he did save jobs. he didn't save mine or countless others and i'm grateful for the individuals still working at carrier have their jobs. my brother is one of them, included. for the rest of us twisting in the wind to start off the new year, it's not a good thing. not at all. >> what is next for you, renee? >> well, the next thing for me is i'm not going to file unemployment. not lay down and do nothing and expect someone to take care of me. get out. pit the pavement. even though i am 45 years old i'm hopeful a company will hire me, someone dependable, reliable and wants to work. >> 45 years young i'm going to say. >> thank you. >> the president watches a lot of cable news and could be watching. somebody from his office could be watches now.
ma would you like to say to him? >> please, mr. trump, sign the executive order. stop offshoring. stop this from happening to future generations. my grandkids, my kids and others. let's put a stop to this now. do you what said you were going to do. it's not too late to keep your promises you made to us. what's happened has happened. we can't change it, but you can do right and do what you said you were going to do. sign the order. that's it. it's that simple. >> renee elliott, thank you and good luck out there. >> thank you for having me. have a nice day. >> you, too. one more thing before we go. we want to leave you with the stories of two men. private first class emmanuel mensa from ghana. immigrated to the u.s. five years ago as a member of the new york national guard. december 2nd died as a hero. ran through this burning building right here over and over and over again to help strangers. he got four people out of that
burning building before the fire took his own life. he died at just 28 years old. the army says he's going to be honored posthumously with a medal of honor. this is second lieutenant alex at his graduation in west point in may. notice his face. he's crying. born in haiti. barely new english when he came to the states in 2009. on instagram wrote, i am fra haiti and never did i imagine that such honor would be one day bestowed on me. two men, two different stories, one familiar threat. both came here from other countries who fight for america. that wraps things up for me. ali velshi, i stole 30 seconds of your time. >> well worth it to lose my time to these two men, heroes. one no longer with us and the other with a lifetime ahead of us serving this country. so i thank you for doing that. have a good afternoon. >> you, too. i'm ali