tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC January 13, 2018 5:00pm-6:00pm PST
we just found 50 more lamb tops by the way. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again on monday. the trump white house is reeling tonight from the impact of something that has never caused a full scale crisis in a white house still in its first year. a book. a book that portrays the president as someone incapable of reading a book. incapable of reading anything of significance. the book represents the president as semiliterate, someone who could not begin to comprehend the chemical weapons attack in syria, and did not want to discuss it, until he was shown large pictures of syrian children literally foaming at the mouth. the book has many new and important insights like that, about how policy, important policy is shaped in the trump white house. but the news created by the book is not about domestic policy, and how the most right wing
president in history could sit in the white house and ask republicans and republican staff determined to repeal obamacare. and determined to then cut medicare, why they couldn't just expand immediate care for everyone. single pair, the single most liberal health care proposal in american history, the idea supported by ted kennedy, before he died and the idea supported by bernie sanders now. that would be the most shocking policy gem in any other book like this, about any other presidency, including all of the books like this written by bob woodward using the same inside the white house methodology and reporting. on foreign policy, the book reports that the president believed by making a quick trip to saudi arabia, he could achieve -- and these are the president's words, the biggest breakthrough in israel/palestine
negotiations ever. that alone is the single most delusional statement ever attributed to a president about the middle east peace process. that delusion alone would be a page one headline about any other book. about any other presidency, but in this book, in this presidency, the story that overshadows all other stories is the story of the man now occupying the oval office. and as reported in this book, using the oval office as a clubhouse. in the center of a maze of disorganization back stabbing and leaking to the press. this is not the story of governing by policy. and organized -- with an organized political approach to implementing that policy. this is the story of governing by family. a dysfunctional family headed by a deeply dysfunctional man, this book has provoked the question that no previous book about a
presidency has ever served. is the president capable of performing the duties and responsibilities of the office? this is the first book in the history of white house literature that has provoked that question. and that is why it is already the most sought after book in the history of white house literature. it sold out. it's completely sold out in america. sold out in book stores, sold out online. a million copies have been sold. that is the highest selling nonfiction book in american history. to judge by that response, this is the most important book in the history of white house literature, that's what book buyers are saying by their stampede to buy this book. that's what voters are saying by their stampede to buy this book. no such book has had an instantaneous pull on american
readers and no such book has ever raised a more important question about the american presidency. is the president a danger to sensible governance. is the president who casually tweets threats of nuclear war a danger to the world? joining us now, the author of fire and fury inside the trump white house, michael wolff. michael, thank you for being here, i know it's been a long day, a loaning weekend. a weekend unlike any in your life. you knew this pressure was coming, you knew what you were writing, you knew how this white house operates, you knew how this president operates. you might not have specifically known there would be a cease and desist letter from lawyers, but the attacks that you have faced from the white house, from the trump machine since this book came out, is that what you expected? >> no. i expected some response, did i expect the president to basically drop everything?
i had heard from eye source who still speaks to me that he wanted my media schedule for today. he's probably spent his whole day just watching me on television. this is -- the man is among other things, the man is an obsessive. that's how he responds to things. so he responded to this, i mean, this is -- it is literally crazy. to write a cease and desist, a president has never done that. a prior restraint of a book, to say his privacy has been inva invaded. that he's been defamed. this has never happened before. also let's remember the effect is just to sell more books, he shoots himself in the foot in this instance as in many other instances, and then to go on days of tweeting and then obviously to culminate in this -- in going in front of the american people and saying, i'm
sane. i'm actually a very stable guy. >> very stable genius. >> a very stable gone yous, i'm a genius and i'm stable. nobody could have predicted this, even of donald trump. >> one of the things he said is, he doesn't know you, he doesn't know this guy. how long have you known him? >> since the 1990s. so i was at new york magazine, and he used to -- i was one of the people he used to call up to complain about what was said -- actually, usually about what was -- what articles he was not in that he wanted to be in. i used to see him on the -- you know, cocktail parties -- i've literally -- we're hardly friends, but i have known him for a good long time, when i interviewed him in june 2016, just before the convention, it was like old homecoming week. michael wolff, oh, my god, i cannot believe --
>> he welcomed you into his home in los angeles during the campaign? sat there eating vanilla ice cream with you? >> even more -- i actually -- it was sort of set up, and then i met him at the kimmel show and went in, and then he said to an aid, how long do we have? they said 45 minutes. i could see the look that came over his face. you don't give michael wolff 45 minutes. after the show, why don't you come back to the house and we'll hang out. that was interesting, because nobody knew he had a house in the middle of beverly hills. >> i learned it through your article. >> amazing. >> let me go to something that tony blair has said, this goes to the contesting elements of the book, this is the most significant one i've seen. some of the others are about how many l's in the name hilary rosen. i learned through the correction of your book that there is only
one. i've known hillary for decades i didn't know that. tony blair, in the book, this passage, page 1157. in february, blair visited kushner in the white house on this trip, the now freelance diplomat, seeking to prove his usefulness to this new white house imparted a juicy nugget of information, there was the possibility that the british had had the trump campaign staff under surveillance, monitoring its telephone calls and other communications, and possibly even trump himself. tony blair said about this, the story is a complete fabrication, literally from beginning to end. i've never had such conversation in the white house with jared kushner, with anyone else. >> what i know about this, this was reported to me by two different sources, and then i do know that shortly after this, this conversation jared kushner and steve bannon jumped into a car, they went out to langley,
had a meeting with the director of the cia and the deputy director who reported that this was a miss communication. and then was -- >> you fully recount that in the book? the follow-up that they go out to the cia, and the cia says there's nothing there? >> right. if you're in the position of the reporter, you think, that sounds pretty much like something happened there, and i'm very careful and i don't know how tony blair reported this, i hear maybe a suggestion, have you thought of et cetera, et cetera. but i would be overwhelmingly certain that something related to tony blair's suggestion that the brits might have wiretapped happened. >> by the way, we're not going to be able to get to this kind of detail, i'll refer to it, one of the reasons the book is so fascinated and necessary reading.
how does tony blair know jared kushner, that's a fascinating little piece in and of itself that we'll have to save for another time. or just buy the book. >> i was -- when that happened, so much happened, i'm sitting on the couch in the west wing and there is jared kushner and tony blair caming out -- >> you see them together. >> i overheard -- i'm over hearing the discussion in which i obviously immediately take a note on, and they're talking about the difficulties of the middle east situation and jared says to tony blair, damnit, we can solve this problem. >> and that's in the lobby of the west wing? >> yeah. >> it's kind of like a hotel lobby, and people pass through from each side of it. and that kind of moment can occur. i remember working in the senate finance committee going up for a tax meeting, there's the cia director sitting in a chair. you have these encounters that
only happen in that lobby. >> they pass you in, you go there, the appointment drifts. it drifts. >> you wait and you wait and you wait. >> and you think, this is really annoying, and how can they do this to me? then you realize, oh, my god, it's all going -- you just see it all. and the less organized white house, the more valuable it is to hang out in the lobby. i want to go to an important and possibly shakespearean style quote from what seems to be your principle source in the book, steve bannon. he said, the daughter will take down the father. what did he mean? >> he meant, in his -- as he puts it, every piece of advice they gave -- they have given has been bad advice. >> ivanka trump and her husband jared kushner? >> yes. >> and in the end he believed they would protect themselves
over the president. that the advice they gave him was advice fundamentally to protect them that would ultimately damage him. comey obviously, the prime example. >> comey firing was their idea? urged by them? >> certainly pushed by them. opposed by steve bannon? >> steve bannon said, you know, i spent a lot of time, you come to actually like steve bannon. even if you don't -- >> i don't know -- i'm not sure you pulled off that magic trick. >> his insights. anyway, in this regard, he said when donald trump is worked up, it means somebody has been working him up. >> yeah. and you detail exactly how they work that, and you are expressing jared kushner's concerns to be quite a range of concerns, everything from possible investigations of trump family business but also to kushner family business,
including his father charlie kushner, who's already been convicted of federal crimes. >> and gone to jail. >> and gone to jail, yeah. >> one of the issues is, is charlie kushner, which bannon obviously believes -- is he imperiled? if he's imperiled. who would jared kushner choose between, his father or father-in-law. >> in the book, steve bannon calls don jr. fredo. a reference to the godfather, and the weak son in the godfather. we have now seen steve bannon come out with a statement in which he says, that his comments in the book now famous comments about the don junior meeting being treasonous, that that was not aimed at don jr., he said that was aimed at paul manafort. let's also acknowledge, in that statement, he does not dispute -- he has an opportunity to, he does not dispute a single
word in this book attributed to steve bannon. >> i think he tries to try angulate the least revision he can. and that's to say, it's about manafort. but trust me, it was about -- it was about don jr., it was about fredo. it was about as he says, don jr. will be cracked like an egg on national television. >> and don jr.'s not the only one? he says that donald trump's long time lawyer, michael cohen will also be cracked like an egg, he has these complicated relationships, a lot of the bannon stuff sounds -- it -- people speculate about why would he say these things to you? is he as uncontrollable a conversationist -- self-controlled i mean, as donald trump? >> you know, i -- it's one of two things, either steve has the most remarkable big mouth in
history, or he has a strategy. and i tend to think that it's a strategy, and i tend to think that his strategy was roy moore would win. that would mean steve bannon would win, donald trump would lose. that means steve bannon would hold the leverage going into 2018, and steve bannon in part using this book would break with donald trump. >> how much of your interviewing with steve bannon occurred after he was fired from the white house? >> very little. >> most of this is while he's in the white house. and what we read is, there are days when bannon feels up, and he's the one in control here of all these factions in the white house. there's other days where he feels like, this could be my last day, i don't know? >> totally. >> how did that affect what you were getting out of him as a source? the guess of the reader sometimes is, well, this must be a really bad day for bannon, he thinks he's going to be fired,
therefore he's telling michael wolff all the worst stuff. >> absolutely. when he was riding high, those were the days i would sit in the white house waiting for him, and the whole day would pass, and somebody would come out and say, we have to put this off until thursday. when he was in the nadir, then it was hours and hours and hours of conversation. >> what is there to say about policy making in the trump white house? i've tried to figure out at the end of the book, tried to figure out a way of describing it. and what -- it -- in whatever way you would describe it, the president is the hubcap that gets put on the automobile at the end of the assembly line. he's kind of the last component to policy. he's just the person who's okay as needed at some point, he's never generating anything in this -- >> he wants to have as little to do with this as possible. he wants someone else to do it, he wants mitch mcconnell to do
it, or he wanted steve bannon to do it. or sometimes he wants jared -- anyone else to do it, but donald trump. >> and steve bannon was the one who came up with what he believed was the right defense for the white house as a special prosecutor started to surround the white house. that was to wall it all off and create this wall, leave any comment about the investigation to the trump legal team outside of the white house, to the spokesperson for the trump legal team. what went wrong with that strategy? >> donald trump went wrong with that strategy. >> this was -- and steve would go over this, he was saying, this was not only the perfect strategy, but the only strategy, that in order to survive this kind of investigation, which he would then point out the clintons endured and survived. because -- >> they handled it that way. >> to do this you had to be
incredibly disciplined. his boss or client is the most undisciplined man certainly to ever occupy the presidency. and he may be the most undisciplined man in america. >> there were several days in the course of the last year when steve bannon firmly believed that he was winning in these faction fights in the white house, and that ivanka trump and her husband would be back in manhattan by now. there are plenty of times when he thought that -- turns out he's the one who's out. we're going to have to take a break here, michael, if you can please stay, michael wolff's book, fire and fury. when will people be able to buy this. whenever people see this, they want to know how they can get their hands on it? this week, is it back in stores? do you know when? >> yeah, i mean, they're rolling them out. >> all right. >> and later we're going to have more information about robert
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ivanka trump says just saw oprah's empowering speech at last night's golden globes, let's all come together women and men and say, time's up. michael wolff, there are more than 20 women who want to say time's up to donald trump. what's your reaction to that? >> you know, a couple things. number one, it's so -- who does she think her father is? what does she think this white house is about? why does she think her father was in fact elected? she doesn't get this. in some phenomenal way, head in the clouds, just denial. or it just goes to the heart of the white house, it doesn't
matter. she and jared are new york democrats and that doesn't seem like a contradiction to donald trump. in fact, it apparently doesn't. >> i want to go to page 23 of the book, because i -- we've been discussing a little bit about governing by family, i want to talk about who this man is, who is the president of the united states. this is the book where we learn things that we have never learned anywhere else. it says, trump liked to say that one of the things that made life worth living is getting your friends wives into bed. he would try to persuade the wife that her husband was perhaps not what she thought. then he'd have his secretary ask the friend into his office, once the friend arrived trump would engage in what was for him more or less constant sexual banter, do you still like having sex with your wife? i have girls coming in from los angeles at 3:00, we can go
upstairs and have a great time. all the while, trump would have his friend's wife on the speaker phone listening in. who is this man who is president of the united states? >> just a man -- >> who is that man? who does that? >> just a man without any scruples. a man whose only interest is instant gratification. a man who doesn't care about you or anybody else. >> these are his friends that we're talking about? this is how he deals with his friends. >> absolutely. >> what did the lawyers at the publishing house have to say about that paragraph. how much time did they spend on that? >> they were confident the source was good on this? >> there isn't any sourcing indicated. the lawyers had to have a conversation about that one? >> oh, yes. oh, yes. >> i want to get to a little bit more about this family dynamic,
page 252. donald trump's sons, existed in an enforced infantile relationship to their father. their father took some regular pleasure in pointing out that they were in the back of the room when god handed out brains. why would he be entrusting his businesses to two kids who he doesn't think has the brains? >> well, trump is -- in his heart of hearts, he's a nay sayre, everybody is a bad person, everybody has disappointed him. nobody has -- >> ivanka, has she disappointed him? >> less so. she's the one who gets more credit than anyone else. but having said that, you know, she will -- he's never going to yield to her and yield the stage to her. everybody has done something
wrong. everybody has disappointed him. everybody is -- everybody is bad at what they do. everybody who works for him in the white house has to put up with this. and he spreads this. you know, he puts this out. he calls his billionaire friends at night and says, you know, steve is disloyal or kellyanne conway is whatever she is. all of this kind of stuff, and then he goes back do them and says, whoever he is talking to, he then reports, they told him that. >> you have one of those phone calls almost word for word, it's specified it's 26 minutes long. as a reader you get the feeling that it's you on the other end of the phone? >> you can -- >> with a that you on the other end of the phone? >> you can assume whatever you think.
>> okay. when you get to that passage, readers can decide. >> that struck me, that was part of what i was reacting to when i was hearing him saying, i don't know michael wolff. i'm looking at some of this material, he says he never met you in the oval office. this wouldn't be the oval office. that would have been 26 minutes on the phone. it may even be that no one in the white house knows he made that kind of phone call. >> the phone calls are constant. everyone is actually calling their sources in this kind of trump codery to find out who he has called, what he has said, what's going on. what's going on in new york, because it's -- he's talking to the new york people. >> in the white house, you describe ivanka as actually being treated and regarded sort as functionally as the president's wife. and as the president's daughter, you describe hope hicks who is one of those many people in this white house who there's no counterpart like her in any
previous white house. there is this passage about hope hicks. shortly after liewandowski zwaw fired. hicks sat in trump tower with trump and his sons, wondering allowed about how she might help him. trump who otherwise seemed to treat hicks in a protective and paternal way looked up and said, w why? you've already done enough for him. you're the best piece of -- he'll ever have. she ran from the room. she apparently is basically running donald trump's press separately and apart from the actual press office. >> she was, but she's taken a step up now, and i would now argue that she is the central --
his -- his central adviser in the white house. >> 29-year-old now? >> her experience before this was as a fashion pr person. >> and she is part of the -- she was brought in by ivanka trump. she's part of the jared/ivanka factions as this faction lines up. >> yes. >> there's a part in the book where steve bannon is screaming at her in the halls of the west wing, calling her dumb as stone. this is after having suspected her of having leaked information that he supported the comey firing. >> it was a brutal fight. it was a fight that shook everybody. in a brutal white house. where there are fights every day, this was a legendary fight. as a matter of fact, in the jarvanka side went and complained to the white house council about bannon, that this was essentially accusing him of harassment.
>> and jarvanka is the short hand in the white house for jared and ivanka. >> can we take a quick commercial break and come back and talk about what has become the central issue of discussion about this book, and that is the president's fitness to serve? >> of course. >> we'll be right back with more from michael wolff. but we know a lot about drama. from scandalous romance, to ridiculous plot twists. (gasping) son? dad! we also know you can avoid drama by getting an annual check-up. so we're partnering with cigna to remind you to go see a real doctor. go, know, and take control of your health. it could save your life. doctor poses! dad! cigna. together, all the way.
we're back with michael wolff the author of "fire and fury: inside the white house" and soon to be available at a local bookstore after they're restocked after being sold out. i want to go to a passenger you have early in the book. and this concept comes back from time to time throughout the book. you talk about trump's friends known him for a long time. very concerned that he was,
quote, wholly lacking what in some obvious sense must be the main requirement of the job -- what neuroscientists would call executive function. >> the ability to distinguish cause and effect. the ability to adjust your behavior to different situations. the ability to organize and be orderly in the way you think. >> neurologists tell patients make sure you have your will and all that stuff done in your 60s at your latest because for all of us executive function is going to decline if we live long enough. it's the ability to make choices, make rational choices and so forth. in his case, there is much concern now about his general mental health, his general ability to actually keep himself composed and function.
>> it's -- it's -- and it came up again and again in really descriptions of the interactions with him and i would say the thing that bothers -- >> this is staff talking to you? >> yes. >> saying it's changing and changing over time? >> yes. i would say the thing that bothered them most, because you didn't know how to deal with it, is the repetitions. he just repeats and repeats and repeats and hammers on -- it's not even hammering on a point. it's the same story. he tells -- you know? always has an anecdote. and then he will repeat it and he'll repeat it in the same words, the same expressions, the same tone and you think, well now wait a minute. when you -- i've heard this and originally -- you start to think, oh, no. i guess this is -- i'm just imagining this. and then you hear it a third time. and then everybody -- and then a running theme was to chart this. okay.
used to be three stories in 25 or 30 minutes. and it was three stories in ten or 15 minutes, same 3 stories. and if you're working with the guy you come away and -- i mean, what do you think about this? how do you, you know -- none of these people, you can't diagnose. you can even -- it's even hard to discuss it among one another. >> there's a moment in the book where roger ailes suggests john boehner as the white house chief of staff and trump says who's that? trump used to know him, that could be -- if it's true, a failure of that kind of memory, which is how this kind of decline begins. >> or it could also be, in fairness, his utter inattention. >> yeah. >> he's not thinking about anything but what he wants to think about. when i interviewed him in june, that was two weeks i think
before the brexit vote. i asked him about that and, you know, i asked him, using the word brexit. he said, what? and i said, brexit. he repeated, what? i said, you can, the uk's exit from the eu. and then he said, oh yeah, yeah. that. i'm in favor of that. >> almost everything can be done by another government. the one thing that cannot be fixed after the fact is a nuclear exchange with north korea. how worried are you about the possibility of a nuclear exchange with north korea? >> you know, maybe naively not too worried. not too worried because this a guy that doesn't want -- going to war, you know, i think george bush decided he wanted to go to war. i think donald trump sees that, gets nothing out of that. it's like what do we get for that? you know? and that may be a good thing in this utter transactional understanding of the world.
do i really care about that? now, on the other hand, if this -- if the configuration starts and he has to analyze this in a particular, nuanced way, you know, i would be awfully worried. >> michael wolff, thank you very much for giving us some extra time tonight. really appreciate you joining us. great to have you here. coming up, how president trump is reacting to this book that has gone inside his white house and shown us a picture of the inside of, operations of the west wing like we have never seen before. not in fiction. not anywhere.
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donald trump as an obsessive, literally crazy, the way he tried to stop the books and the lengths and only sold more of the book and reinforces what we have talked with donald trump's biographers about and he doesn't understand that he is bringing about more of the thing he doesn't want, the more he talks about this book the more people want to read the book. >> yeah. that's -- ezra, that is an important element, the very basic doesn't understand cause and effect and passages about that in here. and we -- it's almost having read the book, i feel like i can write the current chapters of it. we know that there were people in the trump white house trying to get him not to comment on it, not to have a cease and desist letter. >> it's created a huge controversy, hubbub, and virtually everything major in it we have confirmed elsewhere. we see every day. it's almost strange to be having this debate over, you know, whether or not so and so-called him an idiot when we know what rex tillerson called him and never denied on television and i
report on the trump administration. you all have, too. you talk to staffers and more sering about him than his liberal critics are serving the guy is a very depressing and for many of them scary experience. i never had an experience like this in reporting not defending what they're doing than somebody needs to be doing there to keep it from going off the rails and so there's a lot in the book i think that can be questioned and there are some misstatements of fact and things that people denied and watching a president without mental competence for the job act within it, you don't need the book to tell you that. it's playing out every single day. >> joy, you know, during the commercial break i asked michael if he had anticipated that the story about this book would be the president's mental competence. he said, no, i didn't really anticipate that's where it would be but in reaction to what ezra just said, all of us questioning it, i did the first 25th amendment show in this
presidency and looking stark raving mad already and with a year of that building, seems to have become the burning question even before the book emerged. >> absolutely. just to show everybody just how i'm reading this book, i marked it up with -- >> such a good student. >> the reason i'm showing this, a lot of this is because it's a story of a progression of self interest. it's not so much just a story about donald trump. there are people around him, just as ezra said, throughout from the very beginning, inauguration night, from the campaign who know he's inadequate, child like, can be used and manipulated and making calculations throughout this book. that making calculations, what can i get? how can i succeed from this? how can i use him?
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interview. last year the president said, absolutely no problem, i will do that, it is hard to believe this president where he is tonight would be willing to submit to an interview with robert mueller? >> yeah, this is going to be a tough question for them. this goes to some interesting things in the book and trump's public performances. it's difficult to imagine anything more disastrous, than the president who walked out on national television and turned to lester holt and said, just to be extremely clear, the reason i fired james comey was not over clinton. but to obstruct justice on the russia investigation, and go down the blind allies he tends to go toward. showing discipline and being on message at the times he needs to be is not this president's strong suit. he's got something to hide. >> in the book, we read steve bannon's happy proclamations, i
don't know any russians, i have nothing to do with russians. he talks about everybody that got involved with the russians as being crazy and treasonous in this book. steve bannon has created -- his contribution is something -- >> absolutely. you don't goad yourself into these meetings with russian operatives, you spoke with michael wolff, you said the sons had a forced infantile relationship with their father. if they're taking meetings. if donald jr. is taking meetings with some lawyer. the idea that he didn't run upstairs to trump tower, wherever the father lives and tell him about the meetings, that goes against everything that we've now learned about the son. >> and ezra, we discovered in michael wolff's book about that famous meeting, donald trump's jr. motivation is that he wanted to move up and take over the
campaign. with liewandowski out, he wante to be the next guy in charge. he wanted to show his father how good he could be at this. that's where steve bannon brings up the idea of course he would run upstairs and tell his father about this meeting. >> i thought it was plausible, but not proven. >> it's the reverse of the old line that every cause begins as a moment, the trump campaign begins as a racquet and ends as a presidency. a lot of dumb people are doing dumb things. what seems very clear and what i think he's supporting on, it came down to donald trump on the plane figuring out the statement that is a significant piece of the obstruction of the justice
charge, he's misleading around what donald trump jr. is doing, and what the extent of relations and why the relations were there with the russians happened. >> joy, back to the impact of this book, which is where i began. we have never seen something like this, bob woodward has a comparable book, about the first year of the clinton presidency. it's called the agenda, and it's everything about what was going on inside the clinton white house in the first year. there's always dysfunction, but there were no crazy people and no question of conference of any of the people involved in that book. the methodology is sane. the people in the woodward book are sane. >> that's the way these books are written, you get insiders in the white house who will talk to you on the background. he had people talk to him on the record, giving quotes that were
damning about the president of the united states. this book is selling out in lubbock, texas, north dakota, red states and blue states. wiki leaks attempted to steal the content of the book and post it to try to undermine the sales. this book is selling to people who like donald trump, and people are going to learn that the word ezra klein used is a word that describes the presidency. it's content and fodder for bob mueller, for the democrats, it's devastating for the reputation that was already pretty stained of donald trump. >> i don't know how to calculate the impact of this book, we have never seen anything like it, there's nothing on this scale, this magnitude with a first year white house. possibly any year of a white house. what is your estimation as we sit here tonight, the impact of this book going-forward? >> every day of the trump presidency brings something that
in any other presidency would have been apocalyptic. my impact to judge any one, given how what happens every single week. the constant drum beat of this, the constant chaos. the constant understanding that this is a dysfunctional president. i think the cumulative impact of that is really bad. he's lost a lot of strong supporters it's no one thing, it's everything. the country is being run by people not prepared to run it. under this kind of pressure. when and how and under what circumstances does he crack? when you have him tweeting out that he's a stable genius, he's going to be having his fake news awards. something is going wrong there. it's hard on anybody's psyche. the presidency is going to have to break any normal human being.
i think the big way this book might affect american politics is if it increases his feeling of shelteredness and threat he could do something very unusual. >> ezra klein gets the last word. we will be right back. it's time for sleep number's 'lowest prices of the season' on the only bed that adjusts on both sides to your ideal comfort, your sleep number setting. does your bed do that? right now our queen c4 mattress is only $1199. plus 36 month financing. ends monday. visit sleepnumber.com for a store near you.
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tonight's last word. the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. tonight, fallout for president trump as he headses into the weekend known for one thing these days, profane insult. details fon the from lawyers who have deposed donald trump in the past. what we know tonight about the president's visit to walter reid today for his first official physical as president. all of it as "the 11th hour" gets under way on a friday night. good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 358 of the trump administration, and the end of another rocky week for the president. he arrived at mar-a-lago in florida just a few hours ago, hours after his medical exam and still surrounded really by the fallout from the profane a