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discredit the russia investigation. as the president unveils a legislative fix already giving both sides something to hate. donald trump using his time on the world stage to go after palestinians accusing them of standing in the way of mideast peace and disrespecting the united states reaction ahead from the palestinians man in washington. let's begin with the very latest on the russia investigation. watt post reporting that president trump is pushing for the release of a memo prepared by house intelligence committee chairman devon nunez which purports to show political bias in the russia investigation. the president is pushing for that despite his own justice department calling it extra ordinarily reckless without a specific renew. the president actually tried to have special counsel robert mueller fired. >> i'm not aware that the president ever intermated he
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wanted to have robert mueller fire. let's say, robert mueller is still special counsel. >> i think that the president add bad idea. he talked to his counsel about why it was bad idea. >> why legislation to protect muler? >> i don't think there is a need for legislation to protect mueller. >> we know he didn't fire mr. mueller. if he tried to, it would be the end of his presidency. >> we want to tackle questions in this story for you. gop memo that president and house members want released. what do we know about what is actually in that memo? does the president's attempt to fire robert mueller amount to an oob struks of justice? on its own even if he did in fact back down. and will we actually see the president agree to a one on one interview with mueller as the president said that he would a comment his lawyers immediately walked back. i'm joined with tim whiner,
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joyce vance, charlie savidge, and aswan. i have a very tough name so i always butcher my own name sometimes. i apologize. charlie, let me begin with you, if i may. i want it start with the devon nunez memo. what do we know that might be in it and the purpose behind it? >> what we've been told is in this memo three or four pages of bullet points summarizing a case that the secret fisa wiretap obtained by the fbi and justice department in october of 2016 right before the presidential election targeting carter page, former campaign aide to then mr. trump who had been to russia that summer was based on insufficient information or actually that it used information from christopher steele of the notorious steele
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dossier. salacious unverified dossier. the memo makes the case nat bi relied on the information which is dubious and didn't tell the judge that steele was paid by democrats to carry out that investigation. therefore misled the judge and therefore this whole thing was improper spying on the trump campaign by fbi agent who were biassed kwens trump. the problem with that memo, we are are told, is that that's not the only thing in the fisa application. there was all kinds of different evidence about carter page, russia and its intentions that came from other sources and methods. the memo is misleading, its critics say, who have read it, and i have not. it emits other stuff. makes it seem like the steele thing was the whole thing. the catch 22 is to rebut the nunez memo you would have to discuss all of the other pieces of information and thereby blow all sorts of information that
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russia is doing and thinking which makes it hard for people suspicious of russia to push back against what nunez is doing here. >> let me ask you this. in "the washington post" article that came out, there is this constant theme that emerges a little bit that president trump doesn't understand why he simply cannot just give orders to, "my guys" as he calls them, over at the trump administration. according to "the washington post." is this reflective of the justice department in general that he probably does not understand how the fbi and justice department should be reacting. and for james comey to express but also to serve and protect the constitution? >> trump fails to understand that he is not the kid. and that when he and his administration are under investigation criminal investigation, by the fbi, he
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can't get away with obstructing that investigation. now he fired jim comey. after he leaned on the cia director to get in the way of the fbi. after he demanded loyalty of comey and he now has not one, but three, present and former fbi director. fbi mueller, jim comey and chris wray focused on what he has done to obstruct justice. >> and deputy rose enstein saying he wouldn't follow an order if he felt it was unjust. . >> do you think robert mueller will be fair to you within this investigation? >> we will find out. there is no collusion. now they are saying, oh, fight
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back. you fight back. jop, y john, oh, you fight back, oh that's obstruction. here is the thing, i hope so. >> so the president there, seems to be equating action of others of potential obstruction of justice of him fighting back as if it is like a political matter or political debate of sorts. does that help him in that he might not understand the difference? >> you know, one of the features of the conversation, the country has been having about these events, is that the president always seems to get a couple of extra points. we seem to spot him another mulligan, because he is not a constitutional lawyer like president obama was. i think that is a huge injustice to our country, democracy. the president ran for this job. he sought this job. he is accountable to the rule of law and the way we function in this country. i think it is inappropriate for
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us to contemplate that his idea of fighting back which would be anyone else's idea of inappropriate obstruction with the federal investigation, violation of the justice departments and independence that he is able to do that because he is a businessman. just not acceptable. don't think it will play well for him in the context of this investigation. >> i know you wrote a piece that trump's closest friends are terrified of the idea of him sitting down with mueller. explain us to us why you had th from his sources that close confidants are nervous and petrified about this? >> people closer to the president, whether senior aides in the white house or long time friends and confidants who still talk to him often, even though they don't work in the white house or administration, they are are very well aware of the president's proclivity to run his mouth, perhaps in very intense situations which would
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include a possible interview robert mueller. and what they impress or try to impress upon the president is, a, listen to your lawyers. please, please, listen to your lawyers, or b, if at all possible, don sit for an interview, particularly under oath, for the mueller investigation. because among other things they fear that this could be a very easy perjury trap for the president. perjury trap is a term used on fox news multiple, multiple many times ever since the president made his drn- >> yeah, by your count, 14 times in a 24-hour period? >> less than 24 hours. and these are host who aren't just fox news hosts. these people advise the president spriprivately or in pn or through fox news. they have universally been telling him, why in god's name would you sit down with robert mueller under oath? >> does the president have an
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out when it comes to going face-to-face with robert mueller? can he provide legally, politically, as president, commander-in-chief, that he simply does not have the ability to meet with robert mueller and he wouldn't get a fair shake in this particular fbi given some of the accusations that the republicans have been making against leadership. not just special council but also the fbi. >> the president does not have an out here. bob mueller has the upper hand. he has subpoena power. i don't think that anyone is chomping at the bit to have a constitutional test of that subpoena power against the president and court. but we know from the bill clinton experience where he ultimately agreed to be interviewed that the political cost of failing to speak with a special counsel, particularly when trump repeatedly said he would be willing to testify and willing to talk to special counsel under oath. political damage from walking
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way from that position may result in an impeachment or may be that trump has no choice. but insofar as this being a perjury trap, it is only a perjury trap if the president intends to lie. if he intends to tell the truth, then there's no problem with going in and being interviewed by someone on mueller's team. >> so to that effect, do you know the career of mueller better than anyone. i know you've written extensively about the fbi and during his time there. what can you tell us about what his thinking would probably be now that this revolution emerged that he intended to fire robert mueller but was walked back down from it? >> he wouldn't take it personally. he would take it professionally. >> what would that mean? what would be the implications of that for mueller? >> i think strengthen his resolve to pursue this case until the end of time. he is a person that is famously loyal to the constitution. he is a person who, along with jim comey, stood up to president bush in 2004 over the nsa's
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eavesdropping on americans. which was extra legal and extra constitutional. >> it takes a special breed of cat to stand up to the president of the united states. >> yeah, you're definitely not intimidated by power. >> he won't fail to sue the counter intelligence case or criminal case until either the end of time or end of the trump administration and beyond. >> thank you for your insights. i ant to ask you both to stick around. we have a lot more to talk about in the program. president trump unveiling his fix for daca recipient but details out have both sides saying no way. we will look at immigration battle lines on the way. and trump's first state of the union address calling for more cooperation ahead. well look at if it is necessary for this president to pivot one year into office. great. smokey or natural eye?
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sfs the daca debate will once again become one of the centerpieces between the president and congress. president trump and his team will unveil a new framework on immigration reform and border security tomorrow which will include a pathway to citizenship for diamondback ra recipients as well as money for the wall with mexico and an end to chain migration and visa lottery system. last night in trump fashion, the president tweeted out a series of tweets suggesting democrats do not want a deal. they want a campaign issue.
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here now is marissa kumar, curt bardella, and aswan soupsang. great to have you all with us. curt, i will start with breitbart which labelled the president amnesty don. and this afternoon here on msnbc, wribreitbart's senior edr talked about this with sympathy with dreamers. watch. >> i think trump should sent him home with nothing for the way they behaved. they should thank every single person in america. we need humility from that side and not a sense of entitlement. >> something tells me this rep skents trump's base. we have heard this kind of rhetoric from a lot of people on that side of the debate. will they accept a deal that now president trump is actually advocating for which allows
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citizenship for diamondback ra res resip yents? >> republicans in the base have been respecific for a very long time about this. amnesty, pathway to citizenship, any type of compromise, those are bad words in the republican party that equals a no go. that's what it's always been. been that way, look at what happened in mid 2000s with mccain/kennedy compromise. look at rubio with the gang of 12 bill. that made him public enemy number one. the only consistent entity within a republican party and how they talk about this. and how they are completely consistent with their audience and completely consistent with what orthodoxy has been throughout entire immigration and the debate since the beginning of time. >> is that base big enough to come to mid terms that may sway some republicans or gop congressmembers, to actually distance themselves from this
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daca? >> i don't think the influence of that breitbart alt-right world, i think it is overstated. we saw that from the fall of steve bannon. when donald trump is on board where something right now unfortunately the republican party is in a place where they follow along, roll over and do what he want. >> lit me play you the flip side. this is mark short, legislative affairs director and when he was asked on fox news sunday. watch us. >> i think conservatives recognize the benefit to really securing our border and helping fix the long-term problems. yes, i think it is widespread support on our side. >> so he is talking to a broader ways here. maybe not just the alt-right. what is the sense of whether republicans in the house will go along with what the white house is offering? >> conventional wisdom is that this immigration deal is dead on arrival. not just the left but also the
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right. hard liners on capital hill will have potential problems in the house. but steven miller, on the night that they started to roll this out, to folks on capitol hill and the trump adminiration, he got on a conference call as w reported at the "daily beast" te last wee with a bunch of noted immigration policy hawks. and the reception was basically universally on the phone call according to people we spoke to who were on the call. incredibly chilly. basically nothing but skepticism, ranging to deep september skis em on the call. so not just breitbart but a lot of influential hard liners and people preferring draconian immigration policy who have been influential for years will go to war on this deal as if this is all they will get. it is not just people who read breitbart who will be concerned about this.
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>> let me pick up on the point we are just hearing. is this deal you think something that immigration supporters can fundamentally accept because we will put up on screen for you what the deal generally says which is allow 1.8 million young immigrants to become citizens. $25 billion in spend awning border wall and security. restrictions on family-based immigration what is sometimes referred to as chain migration and an end to the visa lottery system. in a nutshell, is this too much for immigrant supporters, those who support a more lax immigration policy or perhaps even the democrats to give this up in exchange for the billions of dollars of wall security and border security and end to those two visa programs? >> so before we get to the heart of it, let's be clear. chain migration is a term increasingly used by mainstream media but originates from alt-right and speaks in code.
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proper term is family reunification. now will the democrats play a a game with this? that's difficult. just on the appropriations part of it, sure they can go ahead and appropriate the 25 or $28 pillon t billion that president wants. recognizing that congressional members moving forward can basically stop that funding at any time. it is not going to be chunk full of it, right? it is over several years. they can technically agree on that. but the deeper problem and i think the deeper concern is they wanted to do 21st century overhaul of immigration reform. the president wants to lower levels of immigration flow last seen in the 1920s. as we get into interglobal community we have to figure out, is that what is the benefit? i would think that it would be much more of -- more useful to have a real honest conversation.
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we have 11 million people undocumented. let's have a conversation of what does future flow look like when it comes to our immigration policy. the challenge is he want to change everything overnight and i that i is why the republicans nor democrats are going to negotiate based on this. but does allow for democrats and republicans to go behind closed doors and negotiate something they feel will be able to pass. not only in senate but in the house and come back and actually give something the president for the to sign. i think the biggest challenge for the president is whether or not steve miller and as chief of staff secretary kelly will actually allow limb to him to d. >> it is criticized by some members of congress who understand every time they send a bill back to the white house, we don't know what president is thinking. thank you for your time this sunday. i will ask both of you to stay with me for a little longer in the program. straight ahead, they said/we said. we will look at how the
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we said they said where we look at how the international media looks at deals here in the u.s. trump goes to switzerland. the commander-in-chief made his debut at the davos economic forum, also known as the word economic forum. a club he said he never wanted to actually join. his rival in the swiss alps dogged by allegations back home. >> even though the anticipation was high ahead of president trump's speech -- >> keep it on trump for a second. >> in way be when he comes to davos, like a clash of civilizations, this crass, a lot of people calling him vulgar new york type kind of guy, meeting with this high society european elite in davos switzerland.
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how do you think he is going to be accepted there. is there a clash? >> hoping for some off the cuff remarks but there were actually no big surprises. deputy editor pointed out, some disappointment that trump didn't say anything. we were here for a show and didn't get it. >> it wasn't until i became a politician until i realized now nasty, mean, vicious and how fake the press can be. as cameras start going off in the back. >> hear the boos there. he did try to make nice with african leaders at davos after the tirade against immigrants from the continent. south africa's president had this message for president trump on behalf of the african people. >> all those negative things that any leader would say about, his own origins, origins of
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humanity, are really bad politics of also bad at a social level. >> and speaking of making amends, trump sat down with former reality tv star and buddy piers morgan where he kind of sort of, if you want to use that word, apologized for his anti-muslim tweets. >> can i get an apology out of you just for retweets -- i think it would go a long way. >> here is the thing, i would apologize if you like me to do that. >> no one asked how he heard about them in the first place. before the sales man jet need town touting his america first policy, there is this power duo, angela merkel and emmanuel macron. one telling french wire service, i think macron and merkel really stole the show. that's he said they said for the week. the biggest news the president made for his trip during the
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davos involved the peace process. forcing palestinian leaderships to the negotiating table with israel by cutting off u.s. aid. >> that money is on the table. that money is not going to them. unless they shift down and negotiate peace. >> the hardest subject they had to talk about was jerusalem. we took jerusalem off the table. so we don't have to talk about it any more. yes, we have a proposal for peace. a great proposal for the palestinians. i think it's a very good proposal for israel. >> joining me now, palestinian ambassador, great to have you with us. i appreciate your time. let's begin with what president was saying. he says he has done the process favored by taking jerusalem off the table. is it off the table for palestinians t way the president has defined it. >> absolutely not. jerusalem is not a matter of tables. jerusalem is a very important issue. one of the major principles of
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the peace process and that has been a long-held u.s. policy international consensus. and even israelis, israeli government approval rating that jerusalem is a status issue and jerusalem has two sides. east jerusalem has been under occupation since 1967. this is international resolutions consensus and all-american presidents who have tried to resolve this have started from the fact that this principle must always be selected. the heart of it is jerusalem is very, very important to the people. and this would effectively mean taking the whole tam table off, not just nooujerusalem, and tur the whole process into a process not supported by the people. and therefore, regrettable what has happened. >> doctor, let me ask you, what is is it going to take for palestinians to in fact return to the table as the president
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wants to see happen? >> through the process that started in 1991, the u.s. has been the arbitrator, mediator and has invited us based on prince pams. we received a letter by james baker. identifying principles based on international convinceus. we are looking into the end of israel's occupation to the palestinian land including east joouk jerusalem and a solid state of palestine on that. number three, resolving issue of refugees. i'm a refugee myself and there are six, seven, many that have the right. if i choose to go back to my father and grandfather's farm and farm it bb that's my right. and be compensated. and the principle is there, no one has the right to stop destroying these principles and say that the palestinians are not interested. of course we will not be interested in an empty process,
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definitely. >> let me ask you about this, because the president says he feels that palestinians have disrespected t u.s. minot meeting with mike pence who was there last week. do you think it was a mistake to refuse that meeting? >> as you know, we haven't been up against an administration and since president trump called our president we have extended hand and been very positive in our engagement. go back to all of our statements and remarks. we always say this is an opportunity. for us engagement has always to be meaningful. we do not talk forsake of talking. vice president pence made it clear he stands fully behind recognizing jerusalem for one side. taking off jerusalem all together. and therefore, what was there to discuss this, discuss what exactly? if you are told you know you have no access to your own city, jerusalem is not a city we
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claim. jerusalem is a city we own. we own every home, every mosque, every church, every street, every shop. jerusalem is something we own and somebody is telling us that actually you own a jerusalem, your history, narrative, relationship, eidentity is hijacked and you cannot talk about it. so talk about what? and then, they attack following netanyahu, suggesting that u.s. agencies -- so they take off a major issue after another and want us to talk. >> i understand. i want to get one more question in equitily because we are running out of time. given that united states has been in somewhat of a political c confrontation with the palestinian authority and we heard ambassador nikki haley saying that president abbas doesn't have the courage it make peace as you mentioned.
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u.s. cutting funding as we heard from the president threatening to defund the palestinian authority. why does the palestinian authority want to or continue to deal with the united states and not try to find another mediator and arbiter for this particular conflict. >> that's the position of the palestinian leadership that we need international forum and implementation of international law. since madrid process invited by the u.s. and the world all the way to os low and maps and never above principles. and therefore, yes, the world must be on the table and that table must be based on international law and international resolution and international consensus and we have wasted so many years in a process that was much more about
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the fantasies of lick by dading the palestinian issue. and netanyahu appears and just a couple of days ago as if he has won. own what by destroying the fact, by destroying the last option and leaving us all in a religio religious war that no one will benefit from. or the apartheid that palestinian people will have ra strong answer for very soon. >> all right p ambassador to the palestinian liberation organization for wak d.c. thank you. i want to bring in you gentlemen. the implementation of international law realistically is that going to happen is there a way for that to happen when the united states really holds all the cards in the middle east peace process? >> it is very hard to see that happening. it is okay for palestinians to say we want international forum
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and clearly would be reluctant to do that. it is not clear that rest of the world wants to step up to solve this problem. not even clear the other arab states are stepping up. it seems for the moment that u.s. has the only game in town. >> to that point the u.s. is the only game in down but an open diplomatic crisis or confrontation with the palestinian authority. your reaction it where things stand now on the middle east peace process. >> i think we will be in a long time purgatory in this situation. it's always been known that outlines after deal were obvious to all parties on all sides and what under president netanyahu slowly those pieces have been coming apart, moving further away and coming undone. i've always argued that both with plien and israel they wouldn't ever be able to get quite to a deal to come to common understandings but they needed the outside system. they need the the united states, europe, other players to
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slightly nudge them into play. the others wouldn't have the wherewithal or capacity to do the deal. they needed objective sources on the outside including the united states to make that happen. that is now come undone. so the likelihood after deal in any time during administration is very, very unlikely and i this i it'll take a long time to come back so we have conditions again. >> let's switch gears and talk about davos and president taking time-out after very short trip to meet with the president of the african union who is the president of rwanda. he sent a letter to african union nations saying in that letter he deeply respect the people of africa. we know secretary of state tillerson going on a visit. is this president trying to make amends for what is widely described as his comments about africa. >> and welcome. i think he did him a favor by not bringing that up.
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it suggested he wants some sort of -- it will die down i think eventually among leadership in africa they will recognize that this is trump and trump and the united states and other things and they will move on. it will leave a lingering taste in the africans. >> president trump's theme during his trip for davos is that america is open for business. i'm not sure if davos is the place for deal-making but he use esz any opportunity he makes to tout he is coming back with deals. is there anything trump can say this is what he achieved? >> he had dinner with 15 business leaders and during his commentary that we auld heall h said that one of the business leaders said because of the tax
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deal which he touted and trump was on a victory lap about that, he says conditions are such that one guy said he would bring in $2 billion. which trump said was on the cheap end of other deals. it was heard of for people to bring back money to the united states. while it wasn't the donald trump people wanted it see, i think they wanted to see trump as they know him to happen. but on the whole and various people i talked to were impressed he tried to heal indications with the rich. he sounded like modi. modi saying we are cutting out red tape and carpet. people are not hearing the u.s. president be a salesman and not talk more clearly about worldish ice. >> we will see how that plays back here home. he was home on the world stage.
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bobby, steve, great to have you both. reesh yo appreciate your insight. >> my pleasure. >> be pleasure. >> president trump getting ready for state of the union. here is trump in 2016 when he was just candidate for president. >> how would you describe the state of the union? >> now or in a couple of years? >> now or in a year. >> i think it is a mess. if i'm making a speech and i say in two years i think we're getting better fast. thanks! but i don't need luck, i have skills... i don't have my keys. (on intercom) all hands. we are looking for the captain's keys again. they are on a silver carabiner. oh, this is bad. as long as people misplace their keys, you can count on geico saving folks money. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. not in this house. 'cause that's no average family. that's your family. which is why you didn't grab just any cheese. you picked up kraft mozzarella with a touch of philadelphia
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we want to start in kabul afghanistan where loved ones are mourned. 102 killed and more injured when explosives detonated at a police checkpoint. in moscow thousands took to the streets over the election. one of pute yun's most vocal critics was left out on purpose. in france, rains are flooding the streets of paris. the louvre museum was forced to close. and finally south korea is welcoming a dozen north korean leaders to its women's hockey team. that's our global checkup. we're a little more than 48 hours away from president trum and state of the union address. and we will look at the message he hopes to send and whether he can still change minds one year in his presidency. and if you're nostalgic for a certain other president,
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each american generation passes the torch of truth, liberty and justice in an unbroken chain all the way down to the present. that torch is now in our hands. and we will use it to light up the world. i am here tonight to deliver a message of unity and strength and it is a message deeply delivered from my heart. >> that was president trump with the first joint address to congress and garnered praise for the presidential tone and showcased the president's able to stay on message reading a tell prompter. as we look forward to tuesday's
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first state of the union address, we want to break down what's at stake for the president. an official say it is theme is building a safe, strong and proud america. but what will that mean in concrete terms? well, the president plans to tout the nation's economic progress and lay out the infrastructure plan. how will that be received? national security, trade and of course immigration on the agenda. can he unify the country on those topics? our panel is back with us once again. "the new york times" charlie savage. mar maria teresa khumar and curt bertala. which trump will we see come tuesday night's state of the union? >> the white house plan is he will be tell prompter trump reading the speech and gets right applause lines and every line vetted by the staff. and he sounds presidential.
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we just never know when off the cuff trump might jump in or not. twitter trump. that would be of course a much more interesting speech to watch but one to make the aides cringe. >> we know he can do it when he stays on point as we saw in davos. the question of can he be disciplined far hour? >> curt, we have previews of the five things the president plans to touch on in the speech. the economy, infrastructure, immigration, trade and national security. where is the president's strongest? where is he the weakest and where should he focus on? >> see a president that's bothful talking about what he calls historic tax cut and trying to sell it and tax reform adds a win for the american people. the largest audience to probably speak to all yearlong and project the idea that the administration is historically successful. primary legislative accomplishment and where he's weak is everything else. how will he do it heading to the
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midterms? what about immigration? kind of a 7/10 split. each side of the base doesn't want to move. how will he navigate that? x-factor is not what he says on tuesday night but what he says on twitter, how as we have seen historically, a speech high marks for and then 48 hours tweeted something to change the news cycle, undermine the progress he made. there's nothing to say that won't happen again after president trump gave the speech last week, we had charlottesville, the shooting in vegas. >> definitely a long list of things. maria, going back to the list, are there any topics that president should stay away? for example, health care is not something the president is probably going to talk about. immigration? >> i think that what the outline he shared with everyone last week is what to double down on and he is going to sound benevolent giving the 1.3
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million people a pathway to citizenship and interesting to see whether or not he touches on the issues of iran and north korea. iran specifically because earlier this month he gave congress and allies a deadline of 120 days to revisit the plan and could unsettle a lot of stuff of the international scale. i think people try to figure out whether or not trump stays on message but how's he crafting that message? he just today he tweeted out that mexico is basically going to lose factories because -- the production of cars from chrysler because they're basically packing up and moving away. that is not true. what chrysler is doing is changing from creating a -- building suvs and trucks to building cars. so the folks that should really be on edge and going to have a grand old time on tuesday night are the fact checkers. >> charlie, we all remember this moment when south carolina republican congressman interrupted in 2009.
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take a listen to this. >> there are those that claim illegal immigrants, this, too, is false. the reforms -- the reforms i'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally. >> you lie! >> so, do you think any democrats might speak out in the president's speech given just how toxic this state of washington, d.c. is right now? >> they'd be poorly advised to. you never know what will happen. that moment didn't make joe wilson look like a leader of the future. >> right. so let me ask you this. we know that joe kennedy expected to give the rebuttal to the state of the union. what do we expect to hear from the democrats to count ter message of president trump to tout which is mostly on the economic front, i sag the stock market is doing great, jobs in the u.s. what do you think democrats say in response?
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maria, go ahead. >> oh, so, i apologize. i think the democrats will look very closely at what it means. a lot of economic booms we have seen have been inherited from a lot of the obama administration. we're also going to -- i think kennedy's going to talk about who we are as a country, what patriotism means, you're caring for fellow americans. talking about health care, talking about the tax cut that folks are receiving and obviously immigration. >> all right. a lot to watch out for come tuesday night and watch it right here. charlie, maria teresa, kirk, thank you very much for joining us this sunday evening. that will do it for this week. join me next sunday for the major stories of the week and reach out to me on social media as always. watch my friend kasie hunt here at 7:00 p.m. hunt and then 9:00 p.m. a special msnbc town hall event with ari melber called "revolution." but first, it's "meet the press." he's a nascar champion who's faced thousands of drivers.
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this sunday, the president, the special counsel and the russia investigation. president trump tries to fire bob mueller, but his white house counsel refuses. democrats react. >> we've seen these persistent attacks to try to undermine the credibility and that, to me, is unacceptable. >> what it does do is show intent, and it's not surprising. >> this is how republicans sounded last year.

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