tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC February 22, 2018 10:00pm-11:00pm PST
o'donnell. >> good evening. >> that is a complex story, this thing that happened to that governor. you actually thought about trying to tell that story him i gave up. there is and i couldn't begin to tell it. that's why we need two hours of these shows so you can do the things i can't get to. brian's going to do some things after me that i can't get to. but we do have the 32 indictments tonight and we're both covering that. and rachel as you know, the irs is always very proud to tell the story about how they never managed to get al capone for murder but they got him on tax evasion. that's what's in these indictments. >> we have been waiting since october for the tax evasion charges against manafort and gates not because we thought they might be tax frauds but because it was spelled out in the first indictment.
now we have the tax charges. >> how could there not be tax evasion in a money laundering case. that's the one thing federal prosecutors know how to do. that's their strike zone, tax evasion. i've been in courtrooms watching tax evasion, it's hard to squeeze out of one of those as a defendant. >> thank you, lawrence. >> thank you, rachel. as of now special prosecutor robert mueller has charged 19 people with crime, including 13 russians who don't live here. of the five americans who have been charged, only two of them have not pled guilty. and of those two, they found themselves loaded up with more charges, 32 to be exact. the status was signed by andrew wiseman, here's what steve bannon said about wiseman in michael wolff's "fire and fury." you have the lebron james of
money laundering investigations. the special prosecutor unsealed 32 new charges against paul manafort and his aide rick gates. there are 16 counts of falsifying individual income tax returns. 7 counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts 5 counts of conspiracy and 4 counts of bank fraud. the new indictment says they concealed years of work for lobbying work for ukraine. quote, in total more than $75 million flowing through the offshore accounts, manafort with the assistance of gates, laundered more than $30 million, income that he concealed from the united states department of
the treasury, the department of justice and others. some of the charges which include fraudulently obtaining banks loans came after he became chairman of the trump campaign. this came less than a week after mueller indicted 13 russians for interfering with the election. the "new york times" reports that robert mueller could be trying to use these charges as leverage to get closer to the white house. mr. manafort's friends have said that mr. mueller's indictment is an effort to pressure him into providing information about mr. trump and his campaign. if so, thursday's indictment adds to that pressure. a spokesman for paul manafort released this statement tonight. paul manafort is innocent of the allegations set out in the newly filed indictments and he is confident that he will be
acquitted of all charges. the new allegations against mr. manafort once again have nothing to do with russia and the 2016 election, interference, collusion. mr. manafort is confident that he will be acquitted and violations of his constitutional rights will be remedied. ominously for paul manafort and others facing possible charges, rick gates released no statement about the new charges filed against him. nothing about rick gates being innocent, nothing about rick gates being confident that he will be found not guilty of all of these charges. joining us now ron klain, former chief counsel of senate judiciary committee. and paul fishman, a former u.s. attorney. and david k. johnston is with us. he's the author of "it's even worse than you think what the trump administration is doing to
america" a best-seller now. paul i want to go to you, what do you make of these additional 32? >> when the original indictment was rush returned in october, it was apparent to anybody who read it the tax charges were forthcoming. the indictment described a series of money laundering transactions that were designed to get income to paul manafort and maybe to gates. and the tax approval process in the department of justice takes longer, it's a more tightly controlled process. it wasn't a surprise it came. nor was the magnitude of those. the magnitude of the bank fraud charges was stunning. what's clear is for a year and a half paul manafort and rick gates engaged in fraud after fraud on bank after bank. and what's surprising about this, is more than the first indictment, the way rick gates went out of his way to help paul manafort defraud the banks.
his role is described in this these indictments. >> the sentence for fraud is five years. they can stack those if they get multiple years of tax evasion. what about the penalties on the money laundering and others. it seems for manafort who's 68 years old, you can stack up sentences that are life sentences. >> the penalties on fraud way stiffer than tax evasion. but the way it works in federal court as i'm sure you and lots of folks watching the show, there's a sentence guidelines range out there that gives a range for what somebody does. but the range for paul manafort is going to be in the double digits, it's a long prison sentence, a long prison sentence for anybody. >> ron klain?
>> it begins to pierce the idea that the manafort and gates thing have nothing to do with the russia problem. what's playing in this indictment is manafort and gates were deep in hawk to putin's ally in ukraine. they were in a desperate financial situation. and in the middle of a financial situation, paul manafort agrees to take a volunteer charge as head of the trump campaign. so the question is who is a person, defrauding banks, should become a volunteer in the campaign, what was this about? i think we're closer and closer to learning that the top two team members in trump tower were on putin's puppet power. that's a big development as this thing unfolds. >> david, you have been studying with financial shenanigans of donald trump and people around him for many years. what do you see in this round of
indictments? >> i'm glad i'm not the lawyer for either one of these guys. i've watched federal tax prosecutors blow cases because they made them so difficult to understand the jury couldn't get it, this is laid out in the most brilliant fashion. and a great deal of it involves cyprus. that means russians are involved even though they're not named. and it's all these people that we're never going to hear about, they have a bookkeeper, an accountant, another person where there are e-mails, memos, please doctor these documents. how do you defend against something like that when all they have to do is prove they filed the false tax returns. >> steve bannon calls andrew
wiseman who signed one of the documents in court today, the lebron james of money laundering investigations. is that a fair description of the legal team that paul manafort is up against. >> weissman is not that tall but it's entirely correct that bob mueller has assembled a team of experienced, talented, dogged prosecutors. weissman is one, greg andre is one, michael dreben, who is one of the longest serving members and knows more about federal criminal law than anybody alive is one. the rest of the team is that talented. that's part of it. but if you read the indictment, david was right, you read that, they have done remarkably good, deep, investigative work. you can tell from the indictment who some of the witnesses are, you can tell they've gone through the e-mails for manafort and gates with a fine-tooth comb, they have the e-mails. this looks like a rock solid case on every case.
>> the other thing the prosecutor is doing with the indictments is he's communicating with us, he's communicating with the american people, it seems, as clearly as he can and revealing as much information as he can in the actual written words of these indictments so that people can understand what's happening in this case. it is possible to deliver indictments like this with less revealed detail within the range of the indictment, but this seems to be the only way that robert mueller intends to communicate. >> that's right, lawrence. i think as with the indictments of the 13 russians, it's an easy document to read. it's lay-person friendly. it lays out a substantial case. with weissman is the lebron james of financial prosecutors, manafort's defense is the mugsy boges of defenses here. he has no case when you look at the detail of financial transactions, the specificity of
the bank transactions, loans and everything. it shows how far gates went to help manafort commit the fraud. and it shows the flow of russia-tainted money were to these two people at the top of the trump campaign in the summer of 2016. at a time when the republican platform was being rewritten to confront russia over ukraine. there's a lot that stinks up a lot. >> there's a report tonight indicating that jared kushner's security clearance is held up by more than just the routine fbi background check. it's being held up apparently by the mueller investigation. that is the impediment to getting him clear on a background check. >> given the things the kushner family has been involved in in
the past and their connections i'm not surprised. i'm shocked at the idea that jared kushner is allowed within 100 feet of any kind of sensitive document. paul is probably the person who can talk about this, but this indictment was filed in alexandria, virginia. the earlier case was filed in washington d.c. that suggests they can bring this as two separate prosecutions, one after the other, and really knock them around -- i may be wrong about that. but it strikes me there's a reason these are filed in separate jurisdictions and it's a message to the defense. >> paul? >> i'm not sure it's a message. you can only prosecute somebody for the crime in the place they commit it had crime, so the first indictment had to be filed in d.c. because the registration process takes place in d.c.
the tax evasion charges, it's where you live, where you made the money or where you filed your tax returns. looks like manafort didn't do any of those things in d.c. so they filed those returns in virginia but david is right it looks like they'll be back-to-back trials, maybe not weeks apart but months apart. we'll see which goes first. >> thank you all for joining us on this important night. appreciate it. >> thanks, lawrence. president trump thinks all we need in our schools is a good guy with a gun to stop any guy with an assault weapon. president trump wants the good guy to be a schoolteacher. even marco rubio says that's not right. and he was confronted by fred guttenberg who lost his daughter jaime last week. he'll join us. -looks great, honey. -right?
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the barrel of a 9 millimeter handgun. with a high capacity magazine the ar-15 can fire 90 bullets a minute. a concealable handgun can fire maybe 15 bullets in a minute. but president trump said today that he believes if you put that concealable handguns in the hands of white house chief of staff john kelly he could have stopped the shooter in florida last week. john kelly could have gone into that school alone, with no body armor and gone up against a mass murderer with an ar-15 and that would have been the end of it. john kelly was in the room when the president said that. >> i'm watching john kelly, general john kelly, he's a four-star marine, a tough cookie. if he was a teacher, i wouldn't worry about him having a gun. there's no security guard you're going to hire that can handle a gun better than him.
so if he's a teacher or other friends that's a marine or other people teaching like that, i want them to have a gun. >> that's the kind of thing clint eastwood was doing in the movies when he was 67 years old, going up against the bad guy with superior fire power and taking the guy out with his handgun. the president has seen too many clint east wood movies. john kelly is 67 years old. he's never gone into combat only with a handgun, or commanded marines with only a handgun. he's only commanded marines that have the finest weapons of war, like the ar-15. john kelly would never order a marine into combat with a handgun. john kelly was never trained to go into combat in an american high school where the possible collateral damage included high school students, thousands of
them, and dozens of american high school teachers. no marine has ever been trained to do that, and no marine has ever done it. but in donald trump's imagining of mass murder in american schools, all it takes to stop the shooter is a former marine in a concealable handgun. he seems convinced that former marines and other veterans have filled teaching jobs. you have former marines who retire and they become a teacher. they're army, navy, air force, coast guard. they're people that have won shooting contests. >> that's not what people do when they retire from the military. no one appears to be keeping a close count of the number of marines and other veterans that become teachers, but it is a tiny percentage of teachers. it could be below 3%. possibly below or around 1% of teachers.
donald trump seems to think it's 40%. >> they're not going to walk into a school if 20% of the teachers have guns. maybe 10% or maybe 40%. >> after i pointed out on this program last night that donald trump's original idea for having 20% of teachers having guns would mean 700,000 teachers in america carrying concealed handguns in the schools. reporters asked if doubling that to 40%, really believed we would have 1,400,000 teachers in american schools, which would be double the number of police officers. and in a press briefing, i will spare you with how it went, there was no real answer to that question. after i pointed out on the program last night that the president had no intention of
paying any of those teachers for doing double duty as police officers, the president suggested this today. >> what i'd recommend doing is the people that do carry, we give them a bonus. we give them a little bit of a bonus. frankly they'd feel more comfortable having the gun anyway. but you give them a little bit of a bonus. >> a a little bit of a bow nuns he has new ideas. so the reporter pointed out in the press briefing today if the bonus was $1,000 a piece for risking your life, that would cost somewhere between 700 million and a billion dollars. they were asked if the president was prepared to fund that, and there was no answer because no one really thought about it. but the president's own budget tells what they think. it already provides for a cut in funding in school security. that's the trump position, the republican position, cut funding
for school security. they're already on record with that budget. on this subject and so many others, the president lives in a fantasy world and the people working in the white house seem to believe that their job is to never interrupt the fantasy. and that was really the most painful part of what we saw today in the white house. when the president looked across the table in the roosevelt room today and looked at 67-year-old john kelly and told the world that if john kelly had a handgun at marjory stoneman douglas last week, the mass murderer would have been shot and killed on the spot. and john kelly would have saved the lives of some of the children who were murdered that day. john kelly had an obligation in that moment, john kelly actually knows a lot about trying to stay
alive when you're getting shot at and trying to kill the people who are shooting at you. and donald trump knows nothing about that. and so, john kelly had an obligation, when donald trump mentioned that, kellyanne conway spoke up in the roosevelt room today and threw in her two cents about what's happening in american schools and what she had to say was worth less than two cents. but john kelly sat there and said nothing. john kelly allowed himself to be used as a prop for donald trump's fantasy. john kelly allowed his honorable years of service to be used by a politician who's in lock step with the national rifle association and who is determined to make sure that mass murderers be able to continue to buy assault weapons over the counter in america and remain the best equipped mass murderers in the world.
john kelly had a moral obligation to the truth and to this country to tell the president right there in that room, at that moment, that it's not as easy as he imagines. john kelly had a moral obligation to tell the president that it is grotesquely wrong to tell american parents that all we need to protect their parents in their schools is a john kelly with a handgun. the students of toneman douglas high and parents around the country what decisive action to prevent, specifically, assault weapons from entering the schools and killing children and teachers and the president oftens them fantasies, he offers them movie characters, an army almost twice the size of the police forces, we're never going
to have that army. and john kelly who knows that, who knows something about raising and training armies had a moral obligation to tell american students and truth today that that army is not coming. that a teacher with a handgun, very few of whom are former marines, that that teacher will be able to take out the mass murderer with the ar-15. it was john kelly's job to tell the president the truth about that. the ar-15 was designed to win gun battles and designed to leave no wounded behind. it was designed to kill more effectively than other guns can. it was designed to destroy human organs with one bullet.
we have a radiologist who was on duty last week, here are some of the clinical observations she made. in a typical handgun injury that i diagnose almost daily, a bullet leaves a laceration through an or began like the liver. to a radiologist it apyres as a linear thin grey bullet track through the or began. i was looking at a ct scan of one of the victims of the shooting at marjory stoneman douglas high school who had been brought to the trauma center during my call shift. the or began looked like an overripe melon smashed with a sledge hammer with extensive bleeding. how could a gun shot wound have caused this much damage? one of the trauma surgeons opened a young victim in the operating room and found only sleds of or began that had been
hit by a bullet from the ar-15. a rifle which delivers a devastatingly lethal high velocity bullet to the patient. there was nothing left to repair. dr. sher was also on duty last year when 11 people were hit by shots from a 9 millimeter handgun. here's what she said, the gun shot wounds were the same low velocity handgun injuries as those i diagnose every day. and all six of the victim who is arrived at the hospital that day survived. the ar-15 is different. and that's what people who stood up to senator marco rubio in florida last night tried to get him to admit, the ar-15 is different. dr. sher wrote the high velocity bullet causes a swath of tissue
damage that extends several inches from its path. it does not have to hit an artery to damage it and cause catastrophic bleeding. a bullet from an ar-15 entering exactly the same place as a handgun and traveling the same track can kill you. ar-15s are different. they do catastrophic damage. dr. sher says exit wounds from an ar-15 can be the size of an orange. doctors are parents too. dr. sher told this story about the day of the shooting. one of my er colleagues was waiting nervously for his own children outside the school while the shooting was still in progress. the first responders were gathering up victims whenever they could and carrying them
outside the building. even as a physician trained in trauma situations, though, there was nothing he could do at the scene to help to save the victims who had been shot with an ar-15. most of them died on the spot, with no fighting chance at life. banning the sale of ar-15s, would have given those kids in florida last week a fighting chance at life, allowing the murderer to so easily and legally obtain an ar-15 gave those kids no fighting chance at life. no chance at all and president trump and marco rubio and every republican in congress still wants to make sure that every mass murderer who can pass a background check, and most of them can, can legally buy an ar-15, which most of them do. we now live in a country where for some politicians a fighting
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and say that, i'm sorry. >> we're joined now by the man who confronted senator rubio last night and lost his 14-year-old daughter jaime guttenberg last week. fred guttenberg joins us now. thank you for joining us. i'm very sorry for your loss and sorry we're talking under these circumstances. >> thank you, lawrence. >> i want to get your reaction to this issue that is up there now, and that is, of course, the -- let's give guns to teachers. and it's being advanced by politicians who absolutely are opposed to restricting or banning the sale of assault weapons. and it seems as if that is going to be their offer, guns for teachers, but allow the assault weapons to continue to come into the schools. >> i just left bb and t center
where the florida panthers play, they honored the victims and families tonight. after listening to what it was like in that building, my response to that is they're kind of like throwing piles of crap at the wall to see what will stick. it was pandemonium in that building. we couldn't even get the resource officer to go in, okay. the idea that in a blackout condition in that building, which is what it was like, with kids running in all directions, okay, trying to get into rooms, trying to get out of rooms, upstairs, downstairs, that you're going to have untrained security shooting guns is only going to lead to more casualty.
now, if we want to have the conversation about more security on campus. if we want to have a conversation about maybe upping our game with who we put in as a school police officer, i think that's a worthy conversation. but teachers need to teach, students need to learn, and police need to secure. i just -- i can't believe it. these kids today don't want that. they don't want their teachers carrying guns in school. i was with them. they're afraid enough to go back to school. they're not sure they're going back this week. and the idea of their teachers carrying guns doesn't make them feel better. >> your son, jessie, is still a student at the school. is he ready to go back? >> he is. no. but he is. you know, in my house, you know, i kind of teach my kids -- well, my son, that you go forward.
you power through. you know, it's not always easy and you have to face fear. you know, jessie understands that whatever he's about to face, his sister running from a gunman, nothing will ever be as scary as what she faced. jessie's uncle, my brother, we laid to rest, he died to cancer from the 9/11. he hid in a room that for some reason nothing collapsed. nothing can be as scary as what my brother and daughter went through. jessie understands that and will go to school. >> you talked about powering forward and i know every parent i talked to, including myself, we wonder how you do it. you personally do it. you are now one week away from losing your daughter, an experience you never thought was going to happen. i cannot imagine being able to
speak at this stage if i was going through that, i can't imagine being able to speak publically, i can't imagine being able to stand there and confront a senator last night on television. how are you doing it? how are you getting through day-to-day? >> you know what, adrenaline and they keep pissing me off more. listen, i want to rest. i'm intending to do that this weekend. i'm emotionally drained, i'm physically drained, but my daughter was the toughest person i know. and, you know, if you had a chance to talk to anybody about her, they would tell you stories of her toughness. she's standing on one shoulder, my brother is standing on the other. i'm doing this for them. i'm doing this for these kids that i was with tonight. they want -- they want to go back to school. they want to be safe. somebody needs to be their
voice. these students have been unbelievable. they have spoken up, they have been fierce, they've been tough. but they need someone to stand with them. i'm tired but you know what, they deserve to be safe. it is my honor to do it for them and with them. >> fred guttenberg, it's an honor to have you join us today, and i appreciate it understanding what you've been through. >> it's unimaginable to the rest of us, your strength dealing with this, i admire it and i could never imagine myself having the strength to get through everything you've gotten through. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, lawrence. have a good night. coming up we'll be joined by one of the students who was there that day, who has been out there leading these protests.
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the mountain is moving. an inch at a time the kids from marjory stoneman douglas high school are doing the impossible. they are moving the mountain. the mountain that has stood in the way of gun safety. and that mountain is the national rifle association. today the nation's privately owned bank cut ties with the nra, the first national bank of omaha said it cut its contract to issue credit cards. the card was the official credit card of the nra and provided
benefits to members. a spokesman from the bank said customer feedback has caused us to review our relationship with the nra. joining the discussion now, david hog. he is a senior at stoneman douglas high school. thank you for joining us, i know you've done a lot of this and it is a burden and this is late at night and i appreciate you taking the time and continuing this discussion with us. so there you have it. you've already achieved things in a week, david, that we have never seen in the aftermath of shootings like this. you have the president moving on background checks, moving toward additional strengthening of background checks. you have other republicans doing that and possibly some other things. but no one backed by the nra has moved on an inch on the assault
weapons, and we saw that last night with senator marco rubio and others. what is your hope of how to get some kind of movement on assault weapons? >> my hope to get some kind of movement on assault weapons is to get better background screenings because if these people are not going to move on assault weapons we have to work with them to come to some sort of compromise where we ensure that nobody who is mentally unstable, has a history of domestic violence, or a criminal record is able to get these weapons. we have to deal with that as it is now, because the republicans, supported by the nra are in control until midterms, hopefully. because they're in control, we have to work with them for now. but i'm sure if they don't work with us, it's all right because they won't be around for much longer. >> david, i also want to ask you about this issue that the president is now advancing,
which is giving guns to teachers, and, of course, that's his way of not dealing with the assault weapons ban, he wants to change the subject. >> exactly. >> let's listen to what one of your teachers, greg pitman had to say about this. >> as teachers we're used to making split second decisions, i don't want to have to take a split second decision to decide are you a threat to my class, as a student, do i need to shoot you? what if i make a mistake and shoot and kill a student by accident? act on what i think is correct, and it's incorrect. i'm not trained to be the s.w.a.t., trained to be the police, trained to be the army. i'm trained to be a teacher. i want to teach. >> david, your reaction to this idea of teachers with guns. >> i think he's correct. in the sense if you're a teacher with a gun and you get taken out by one of these active shooters a student may grab the gun and try defending his or herself but
if you're a police officer entering how do you know that's not the shooter, how do you know there's not multiple shooters. the response may be to get more school ids but what happens when you're in a scenario and you can't read the id because you're trying to make the decision of who's going to live. that's why we can't have guns in school. the answer is not more guns, that's what the nra wants us to believe. they want us to be afraid because the more we're scared, the more money they're going to get. >> are you ready to go back to school? >> not a single bill has been passed yet and i don't want to go back until a single bill has been passed. it's disgusting. but that's all right. these people in power, like marco rubio, and different ones who refuse to take action on this, like the speaker of the house, paul ryan, they won't be
around much longer if they don't allow the bills to come to the floor. they won't get re-elected. they'll have to pay for it. >> thank you for joining us. i'm very sorry for what you've been through. >> i'm sorry for our legislatures, i hope they enjoy their power while it lasts. they're not going to have it much longer. >> thank you. we'll be right back. this is food made to sit down for. slow down for. put the phone away, and use a knife and fork for.
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florida school last week, a reprieve. a lucky break for the white house staff. "the washington post" reports, quote, for everyone it was a distraction or a reprieve said a white house official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to reflect internal conversations. a lot of people felt it was a reprieve from seven or eight days of just getting pummelled. since everyone in the trump white house leaks to the press it could be anyone who said that. john kelly and don mcgahn were the biggest beneficiaries of the reprieve because the white house was getting pummelled every day with questions of what did john kelly and don mcgahn know and when did they know it about the fbi background check on white house aide rob porter that revealed that porter was accused of violence against both of his former wives, one of whom has a photograph that she says rob porter gave her with one punch
and the other has a restraining order she obtained against him. the white house used the shooting in florida as a reason for canceling press briefings so the immediate need to respond disappeared. and don mcgahn who has not said one word about this felt free enough to go to the conservative political action conference where he taught a kindergarten level course in what the white house counsel does. >> it is the primary legal adviser to the president, where i advise the president on a range of issues from constitutional law, executive power, whether or not we can go to war, judicial selection, administrative law, essentially government law that the government has to encounter on a day-to-day basis. >> and that involves you in just about everything. >> unfortunately, yes.
>> hard for you to say i didn't do it. >> notice that he said law that the president has to encounter. not obey. encounter. and then, of course, there's the hard for you to say, i didn't do it. and it's hard for you to say, i didn't know it if you're don mcgahn. next wednesday is the deadline that the republican chairman of the house oversight committee gave john kelly in a letter demanding to know, quote, what information was available to the adjudicator of porter's interim clearance at the it was adjudicated, who adjudicated his clearance, and what derogatory information was subsequently made available to the white house on porter when and to whom? and because the fbi director, christopher wray has already testified that the fbi told the white house everything they needed to know about rob porter months before john kelly says they did, chairman gowdy sent the same letter to the fbi with the same deadlines for answers
next wednesday and the same questions, what derogatory information was subsequently made available to the white house on porter, when and to whom? so even though the rob porter story has gone quiet, as it should while we cover the massacre of 17 people in florida, john kelly and don mcgahn know that even if they try to drag their feet and somehow slow down their response to the chairman of the committee, the fbi will get its homework in on time, and the fbi will be telling the chairman next week, if not sooner, exactly what derogatory information was subsequently made available to the white house on porter, when and to whom, and there's absolutely no question that don mcgahn's name is going to be in the fbi's answers to those questions. a week from now, don mcgahn is going to have to have much more
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so tonight the kids of stoneman douglas high school are moving the mountain. new charges for paul manafort and rick gates in the mueller investigation. the latest reporting on the 32-count indictment charges enough to amount to a life sentence for manafort. plus president trump says he wants schools protected like banks, talking about arming teachers with guns and paying them bonuses for carrying a concealed weapon. the resignation of an armed deputy who had a gun and responded to the shooting but never went in after the gunman. "the 11th hour" on a thursday night begins now. good evening once again from our nbc headquarters here in new