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and to keep the conversation going, like us at facebook.com/politics nation and follow us on twitter @politics nation. see you next sunday. to my colleague, alex witt. >> i just got a little religion from you, rev. look forward to seeing you again another noon. good morning to you and happy easter to those celebrating. i'm alex witt. it's 9: 00 here in the east, 6:00 a.m. out west. renewed attack examining some of president trump's claims about amazon, the post office, what is true and not true and why he refuses to stop. 3:00 a.m. tweet tearing a page from the president's playbook. the attorney for stormy daniels sends an early morning tweet. ahead, the message he spent at the odd hour. catalog of the comings and goings of the white house who might be next to go and will old familiar faces make a come back?
the treats of sacramento, new protests against the killing of an unarmed black man and an incident involving a demonstrator and sheriff's department suv. all this hour on msnbc live. but we begin this hour with a live picture of capitol hill and at least one republican cautioning the president about the ways in which he's been handling the white house comings and goings including david informing him partly through twitter, here is senator johnson with chuck todd to air in its entirety this hour. >> this isn't the way to recruit good people to replace them, is it? >> that's not the way i would do it. >> you understand if people are like i don't know if i want to take this job. >> the president does need to understand the affect it has on the people. >> the white house is pushing back on exactly how he lost his job telling politico he resigned. we expect to get clarification
any minute himself when he appears on ""meet the press."" president trump is accusing amazon of scamming the post office. kelly o'donnell is following the president in west palm beach florida so we'll take our cameras down south to florida and find you with a happy sunday morning and happy easter. at some point i hope you'll celebrate. let's talk about this feud. what's going on? what's the latest here? >> reporter: happy easter to you, as well, alex. this is a case where the president had a long running feud with amazon and he's making a claim that amazon does not spend enough with the u.s. postal service to deliver its packages and that is somehow costing the u.s. the bottom line. the larger picture is that the postal service financial whoas that have been well documented for many years have far more to do with the fact people are sending fewer greeting cards considering it's a holiday and
paying bills with envelopes and checks. that's changed as a part of how we live our lives now and at the same time, the u.s. postal service has a big personnel cost for the staff and pension. those are the things that are really impacting the financial health of the u.s. postal service, not amazon. but the president has made it his target. the president primed amazon for an attack as the candidate. >> if i become president, they have problems. >> am-on is gazon is getting aw murder. >> reporter: tweeting a series of accusations claiming the postal service loses billions of dollars, delivering amazon packages. the president demanded this post office scam must stop. amazon must pay real cost but experts say amazon has a confidential contract for package delivery that was approved by postal service regulators, bringing new
business to a struggling enterprise. >> mail volume has gone down more than 25% over the last decade and amazon and other companies are bringing parcels into a system that's desperately in need of revenue. >> under cutting another claim made by the president, amazon collects sales tax in all 45 states that require it but third party sellers on the site act inde independently. the president's real ire is aimed at jeff bazos that owns "the washington post." >> or "the washington post", which i call a lobbying tool for amazon. that's a lobbying tool for amazon. expelling each other's diplomats, the presidents' day is taking off from washington.
while in russia the u.s. consulate in st. petersburg. the president has a happy easter tweet and the public schedule does not lay it out. last year he celebrated with a family meal and gone to church so that may be part of plan for today, as well. the president does return to washington later this afternoon and tomorrow the first lady is the hostess for the long tradition white house easter egg roll where thousands of kids are invited to the white house and have a little fun on the south lawn. >> we look forward to that and reporting later on and what the president is doing today for sure. joining me now, caitlyn hughie burns for real clear politics and john harwood. thanks for joining me on a holiday. let's begin with the feud. what in your mind is behind it?
do you think the president's ultimate goal is here? >> happy easter, alex. the president's ultimate goal is to detour news coverage that paints him in an unflattering light. he cares that the washington post made him look bad in covering him as a candidate and as president and this president reacts in a personal way when his interests are threatened. it's clear this is not about tax issues. this is not about the postal service, amazon as kelly's piece indicated provides a tremendous amount of volume for the postal service, which has been losing it from other places. this is about the president not liking news coverage that holds him accountable for his behavior and policies. >> that's a general consensus from a lot of people. let's look at amazon. talk about a huge following. as of september last year, 90 million amazon prime members in the u.s. there in terms s of t
s s subscription service. are there markers to this? >> absolutely. we saw the comments about amazon last week and that has a huge impact on the company and the fact you have a president picking and choosing different companies and targeting amazon in this case raises a wide variety of concerns and back to john's point, which i think is absolutely right, if the president were serious about the tax policy components or postal components, he could push for legislation there is legislation in congress right now dealing with online sales tax and so he could do that but i think to john's point, that's not his ultimate goal here and it is having a variety of different implicatio implications, especially on the market. >> yeah, clearly the president is focused on "the washington post." let's get this headline from "the washington post" that reads tired of the wait game. white house stabilize is gone,
trump calling his own shots and the article reads in part quote, 14 months into the job, trump is increasingly defiant and singularly directing his administration with the same rapid and brutal style he honed leaving real estate and branding empire. the president is replacing aids who have tended toward caution and consensus with figures far more likely to encourage his rash instincts and act upon them. is there any sense things will stabilize once the president's cabinet picks are in place or is this the new norm? >> oh, i think this is the new normal and i think the only stabilization that will come will be imposed from the outside. this is a president who cares whab about what is around him and gratifies the people around him and the fact you had a bunch of senior aids, henry mcmaster among many others trying to,
ga ga ga gary cohen, means they will act on his impulses and be constrained if he has to be c constrain constrained. for example, he went with his instinct on trade policy. the market punished him. he then traded his trade policy with exceptions. so that is a case where he judges himself by how the market is doing, if the market is doing badly, that cost people money and reflikects badly on him. it won't be because somebody makes an argument to him. it will be because he has to be in response to external forces. >> caitlyn, in terms of tempering the president and stabilizing him the consensus is hope hicks did that. she left on thursday. does anybody else have the ability to do that? >> it's really unclear and if there is, we haven't seen evidence of it. hope hicks of course was the
communications director but as we know, she didn't play the more traditional role as a communications director. there is talk, of course, about the president not hiring a communications director after hope hicks leaves. there is also talk, of course, about him not hiring a chief of staff, if and when he decides to let john kelly go and so there are a lot of questions about how the president is going to be running this white house and if you look at what is happening in the background here, there are a lot reasons for this -- these concerns. of course, you have the stormy daniels coverage still in the news. a story that has lasted longer than others. the president hasn't really talked about that yet, which is very interesting but certainly that's looming. you have midterms coming up in which democrats appear well positioned, at least, at this point to perhaps take over the house and so you have the president kind of bunkering down
here and i think that raises a lot of questions about what else he plans to do. we've already seen the shuffling in terms of the cabinet and creating a long list of confirmations that the senate has to deal with for very important posts meanwhile all of these foreign policy things are going on. >> well, you mentioned the president talking about stormy daniels. that may be one place he is listening to advisors and saying don't say anything about it. i want to talk about russia with you as savannah guthrie spoke to the russian ambassador of the u.s. with the diplomat expulsion. how would you describe relationships between our countries right now? >> it's very difficult to say it in one word, one sentence. the shape of our elections have a bet. it depends upon us to decide whether we're in cold war or not
b but, of course, i don't remember such bad shape of our relations. >> john, what do you think it would take to mend relationships between both countries and is it possible for that to happen any time soon? >> well, i wouldn't think so, first of the fact they executed a large attack on the united states during the election. they have a president in office who is obviously conflicted on this subject. he is favorably december poispo robert mueller is investigating that so i think the relations between the united states and over hang is that massive attack on the election and russia
increasingly, vladimir putin has felt emboldened not just in that attack but british soil, assassination attempts of former russian officials and spies in other countries. that sets a context for u.s. relations that it's very difficult to see a path unless russia changes its behavior and the question is whether we have administration that's willing to stand up to the behavior in a serious and durable way and try to reach a different status quo with russia. >> all right. john harwood and caitlyn hughie burns, enjoy your easter sunday. >> you, too. harsh words from a former basketball star. >> if you have us vote for you, we have to hold him accountable. >> which politicians charges barkley wants held accountable and why. that's next. t i see that complain about dry mouth they feel that they have to drink a lot of water. medications seem to be the number one cause for dry mouth. dry mouth can cause increased cavities,
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demonstrators held a vigil in sacramento, california as protests grow from stephon clark. the 22-year-old was unarmed when he was shot to death last month. steve patterson is in sacramento with more. very early good morning and happiest y esaster. i understand one of the protesters was hit by a police car.
>> reporter: yes, it was a volcanic end to the night. the situation got complicated and ended, as you said. breaking overnight, tensions boiling over. >> stephon clark. >> how are you protecting us? >> reporter: demonstrators at first peaceful crying for justice then spraling out into the street. in the heat of the demonstratio demonstrations, a sheriffs vehicle hitting a pedestrian. a woman sustained minor injuries. the protests fueled by autopsy results saying stephon clock was shot eight times, six for behind. the autopsy was paid for by his family. >> the findings of his autopsy contradict many narratives that the sacramento police put forward. >> shots fired!
>> reporter: police say they thought clark had a gun but after firing 20 shots discovered it was a cell phone. in the wake of the shooting, community members changing the rhetoric from anger to activism. >> this is just the beginning, you know what i mean? there is a deeper rooted problem here. >> reporter: matt barnes has been vocal about clark's death. he organized this rally in his hometown saturday calling for accountability. >> these people are killing people on camera and getting paid leave and then being acquitted. so to me, cops don't fear killing because they are not being held accountable so it continues to happen. >> reporter: emotions running high in the community and calls for answers grows louder. so the sheriff's department released a statement saying it's patrol cars were surrounded by protesters kicking and screaming and the collision itself happened at a very slow motion
but people eyewitnesss in that crowd describe it as a hit and run. the california highway patrol is now investigating. alex? >> okay. steve patterson, thank you very much for the latest from sacramento. let's bring in democratic congresswoman debbie din gle from michigan. i know you heard sarah huckabee sanders say this issue is a local matter. i want to get your take on the broader question why the justice department seems to be reluck dn -- reluctant to look at these cases. >> i think it's a national problem. it's a tragedy what happened in california. it's a tragedy what's happened in other cities around this country. when you look at freddie gray and baltimore and what happened in the south, we have -- i think that sometimes we have to put ourselves in someone else's shoes and don't understand what
it is like to be a young black man in america and that you are instantly profiled, that you are instantly feared and at night when someone sees if i as a white woman versus a black man, there is an instant different assumption. we have to do something about it. we have a real crisis in this country. >> in terms of doing something about it. i want to play what charles barkley said last night with regard to addressing the problems like police brutality in communities of color. here it is. >> we as black people have not held democrats accountable for taking votes for all these years. if you have us vote for you, we have to hold them accountable. our neighborhoods are not better. our schools are not better. crime is not better. so we got to start holding these politicians accountable. >> charles barkley has been saying this for several years. we heard the very same sentiment during the 2016 fight for the
democratic nomination. what is your reaction to what he's saying? >> the democratic party is taking a lot of people for granted but he's absolutely right and i think these elections, this gets very detailed. black americans are voting for state legislators and they need to hold those people accountable and they tend to live in the neighborhood and they need to build a coalition to make a difference. whether you see state-wide races for governor or senator or a presidential election race, evening everyone assumes that block of people will vote. what are we doing to help them? we have a cycle, it's the 15th anniversary of martin luther king's assassination and we made progress in someways but in many ways we haven't made progress and i think, i remember seeing martin luther king three weeks before he died. he was in grosse pointe, michigan. i was young but i'll never
forget that night. i think we have to talk about this. race is still a very difficult conversation to have in this country, but we need to talk about it because we're not going to address the problem until we talk about what is sitting right there. >> i want to take your -- get your take, rather, what's next on the fight against gun violence. there are more than a dozen companies that cut their ties to laura ingraham against david hogg. do you think it's too naive to believe these companies tend to become more aggressive players but is that what it's going to take? is it the power of the purse that may make the difference? >> i think it's the power of everything. so the power of the purse is responding to the emotions that the kids have brought out in many people. what i think has changed this time is that people aren't going to their same old corners and everybody has the same fight and nobody does anything. you know, i've always said the power of the nra, yes, they have
made political donations but i don't think that's their power because they are the same as many others. the power is they are single issue voters. you're seeing a lot of people energized. kids don't want to go to school and be afraid. parents don't want their kids to go to school and be afraid. there are a lot of people in america that don't want to take the guns away from everybody in the country but we need to do very common sense policies that will make sure that we can attack gun violence in this country. >> uh-huh. i know you've been taking on the trump administration with the proposed changes to the census forum that includes a question about citizen ship. are you willing to give administration the benefit of the doubt that the question may be truly meant to provided a quit funding and congressional representation? >> well, if we were actually talking about adequate money, we would be trying to find out what
is the real important document we get every ten years to get a real picture of who was living in this country, where they are living and it drives so many things. one of the other issues, i was already fighting one issue when the citizenship issue popped and i had a mixed reaction and i mentioned it a month ago. we were supposed to, there were years put into including a question on mideast and african background, if people came from that background. it had been a draft and proposal put out a year ago to include that category and administration in the last few weeks said it would drop that. now, i think there are many people in this country that probably had mixed feelings about that, as well. we need to know who is living here. we need to know what the demographics of the population are. we need to have a lot of questions answered and a lot of
people will be afraid to answer questions on the census and i think it's not going to result in an accurate document. >> yeah. on a much lighter note before i let you go, villanova, michigan tomorrow night in the ncaa. i don't have to ask but enjoy the game. >> hey, i'm in my go blue. i went to the easter vigil right after the win last night because i love sister jean. john din gle loves sister jean but god loves us all. >> great point. it will be a great game tomorrow night and a great easter holiday. thank you for joining me for part of it. >> happy easter. >> to you. what does that mean for the country? it's 6 am. 40 million americans are waking up to a gillette shave.
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it's being run by a president on his impulses. this is really a white house that's returning to the style that donald trump functioned by during the 2016 campaign in which he could go out and do what he wanted and say what he wanted and do this free wheeling style that's not contrainstrain any normal checks and balances. >> i want to read one line, trump is making hasty decisions that jolt markets and shock leaders and experts. some are concerned about the situation while others characterize him as unleashed. what is he likely to do now that he had been held back from doing
before? >> well, you know, the last several weeks have been a good indication of that. we saw him on a whim decide to convene a sit down with north korean leader kim jong-un. that is really the highest stakes act that a president can take to engage in nuclear diplomacy with an unpredictable higher power. that's a good road map that the president will be announcing unilaterally pretty drastic policy shifts without going through the normal inner agency process of vetting and making a consensus decision. >> i'm curious, who do you think is next to go? they included mcmaster, jared and ivanka, you got mcmaster, he's gone. do you think the president would really get rid of his daughter and son-in-law? >> this is a really complicated matter. it mixes family and politics. the president is not shy of telling advisors that he feels
his daughter is really damaged by the experience of being in washington, and he wished that she would return to new york, although, the couple has told sources of mine that if they come back to new york, they are still going to face the same amount of criticism. they are not going to be gaining anything believing d.c. i think they are making a k calculus they are trying to hang on. the attorney general may have the most vulnerable. the president has not been shy about frustration at jeff sessions for recusing himself in the russia probe and allowing robert mueller's investigation to proceed. there is speculation several weeks ago that maybe scott pruit, the head of the epa who was oklahoma's former attorney general could step into the role of a.g. that seems to have quieted down. i don't think that means the president's frustrations with sessions diminished.
that's very valuable real estate and i can't imagine that did not get him more worked up about session. >> i a kngree. what about hope hicks? if she was that important, wouldn't the president have fought harder to keep her there, or does she have the kind of personality from what you know that she could stand up to him and say i am out of here. >> well, i think, you know, with the case of hope hicks and i know her well, i covered them during the campaign and white house, he views her, the president views her as like a surrogate daughter, very front of and close to and it would be tough for him to really draw the line and treat her like a staff, and i think when she made the decision to come back to new york, he realized that he was not going to talk her out of it. it was a fairly graceful exit. now to the question of she is this moderating influence on him. we've seen him really kind of go off the rails over the last month while she was still inside
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her and upset she was dragged through the mud. it's striking to point out that hope hicks as communications director was virtually unknown to the american people, never appeared on television. very rarely granted interviews, did not speak in the press. she -- her job was to speak for the president and release statements for the president, but he viewed her of very productive of her. she was a behind the scenes player. >> she was very smart. gabe sherman, got to see you and look forward to seeing you again. thank you so much. >> thank you. a late night tweet storm from stormy daniels attorney, not a storm but he released one that raises questions about her end game. what does america need to hear from stormy? ay be one of the wos most familiar companies, but we make more than our name suggests. we're an organic tea company. a premium juice company. a coconut water company. we've got drinks for long days. for birthdays.
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welcome back, everyone. i'm alex witt at msnbc headquarters. stormy daniels clarifies the end game and her legal battle with the president. yesterday attorney michael avenatti tweeted, be clear, we will not accept a settlement regardless of the amount of money that does not include mr. cohen and mr. trump coming 100% clean with the american people. people say this is about money, who say this is about money haven't been paying attention. at 2:51 this morning he clarified that tweet with this, remarkably some seem to be confused as to what 100% clean means. it does not mean being honest
with america just about the sex, it means being 100% truthful about the relationship, threats, intimidation, agreement, $130,000 payment and coverup. that is what it means. joining me, former federal prosecutor and former u.s. attorney kendall coffee. let's get to it. your reaction to this new tweet this morning from michael avenatti, how do you interpret it? >> he's trying to get reaction from trump and trump's legal team. obviously trump's legal team doesn't want to talk about this but the real question is whether the special counsel team is playing attention. $130,000 for a coverup is that something that seems to be relevant to anything legally? we remember where jon edwards was prosecutored becau kcue pro money was used to hush up.
does that constitute some form of an illegal campaign contribution since the upshot is to benefit the candidate? the jury reacted that charge or didn't convict edwards, it wafw eventually dropped. the doj thinks that's a legal theory and could be something president trump is asked about wherever he has his interview or testimony with the mueller team. >> yeah, so you mentioned the president's legal team paying attention to all this and avanetti takes to twitter at 2:51 this morning. is he taking a page from the president's playbook? is that something he's doing by tweeting the middle of the night? >> he absolutely is because he knows first of all that the president may be awake and reading things but it also starts to feed early, early in the day so it can from his standpoint become news of the day and he does not want his client to disappear from the publ
public's conscienceness. >> there we are talking about it, so i guess it works. stormy daniels and her attorney saying they are filing the lawsuit and tell the story and berele be released from the non-disclosure. she said everything on 60 minutes so why is there still a lawsuit? >> i guess they would be able to like to do more to develop the story, maybe write a book, maybe sell it to other media but in the meantime, the basics are out. whatever harm there is or isn't, that's been done and the disparagement agreement out there and you can go ahead and talk, which means you can write your book. >> do you think this is all just about money? no disrespect here but to try to get as much money for the client? >> it's an attorney job to promote the client's legitimate interest. he's got a client. he believes she has been always
suppressed and it's relevant and she's pushing him to get out of the non-disparagement. he's doing good at it in terms of getting public attention and so far, it still stayed in the news. >> and swaying the public, the vast majority believe her story. some parts of it may be about somebody coming up to intimidate her in a las vegas parking lot but whether or not she had a relationship with the president, most people believe that is true. so the big picture ultimately, kendall, how do you see it playing out here? do you think the end result is for stormy daniels and the president? >> the big issue is will her issues become part of the investigation by mueller. the jury testimony at some point the attorneys will try very, very hard to keep it off the table. we know what happens to he said, she said, for example, back when
the 1998 star report was filed. so the big issue is this enough relevance to so-called russia investigation to find its way into the mueller interview of president trump and if it does, what is president trump have to say about it? >> in regard to that, i want to be clear, that has nothing to do with russia. it would show a predisposition towards behaving in a certain manner. >>concealment. it might be a separate issue, michael cohen's payment, $130,000 pay did go to the benefit of the trump campaign. was it an undisclosed campaign contribution? that issue didn't go far with the jury in the jon edwards case but doesn't mean it's being ignored now as the special counsel's office looks across the board at legal options and legal theories. >> former prosecutor and u.s. attorney kendall coffee.
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a new report from t"the washington post" is pulling back the curtain on the shock and awe tactics of the trump presidency after the departure of high staffers viewed as stabilizing forces on the stabilizing forces. one trump confidant telling "the washington post" this is now a president a little bit alone, isolated and without any moderating influences and, if anything, a president who is being encouraged and goaded on by people around him. it really is a president unhinged. let's bring in former director of strategic communications for hillary clinton's campaign and kris wilson. thanks for joining us on this holiday. chris, i'll start with you here. donald trump was known for shock and awe tactics before taking office. he's now 14 months into leading the country. are republicans worried about the direction the president is moving in with his increased reliance on personal instincts
and without the voices of moderating forces? >> well, i think it's a mistake to underestimate donald trump. i may have done it multiple times as the head of polling for ted cruz in the primary campaigns. as we went up against him, there were so many times during the course of that campaign that he said or did something that caused me to say, that's it, the campaign is over and donald trump is going to start to drop. that was never the case. time after time when he did these things that others defined as unhinged or unrestrained, his approval ratings would rise. i would submit there's a lot of people who have seen their careers falter by underestimating donald trump. as he's begun to, now, in his mind, find his sea legs, you'll see him start to execute on and become forceful on issues he campaigned on. you've seen him start to bring in people more similpatico with
him. and we'll see what the end result is. >> adrian, to those remaining in the trump administration, who are you looking toward to being a moderating force. >> kellyanne conway, a few other feeks who have been with him since the beginning of the campaign. i want to go back to what chris said about trump's approval ratings rising when chaos ens ensues. this is not a campaign. this is governing. he's the president of the united states. the conflict and chaos he is projecting is causing the markets to go into turmoil. it's causing all kinds of issues in our government. again, we're not talking about a campaign here. you're looking at approval ratings going up and down. we're talking about governing this country and that's where i've got serious concerns. >> adrien makes a point. there's a lot to consider when
you're trying to govern a country. she makes the point, look at the president's stance on trade and tariffs. he makes the huge pronouncement much to the dismay of many in his administration and has to back off. that kind of push and pull is erratic. >> it can be. i think that's one of the -- although, i would submit the market isn't exactly in turmoil. it's been up consistently since he took office. you look at the impact of the tax cuts. it's gone up even more. you've seen multiple jobs created. people getting bonuses. it's a bit of a misnomer to say everything is in turmoil from an economic perspective. i think one of the challenges donald trump has found himself under is people in his cabinet that id the on the have the same position he did. maybe rex tillerson on the iran deal or perhaps gary cohen when it comes to enforcing tax cuts. so i don't mean to imply that the campaign and governing are the same.
they should not be. my point is more that when donald trump does his vintage donald trump creating chaos type of situation, it has in the campaign and so far seems to be working for him in government as well. the fact it's what's worked for him throughout his life. >> to your point, the numbers are up. adrienne, the president's approval rating has gone up seven points from last month to 42%. is that bad news for democrats given that the party seems to be really unified around an anti trump message more than anything else. >> i think it's actually again bad news for trump. maybe the numbers have gone up a little bit, alex, but he's still at 42% which for 14 months into his first term as president is not a good place to be at. another poll that came out recently showed he only received a 33% approval rating with people between the ages of 18 and 34. that's the real number i think he's got to look at.
this is the next generation. a lot of these kids who marched in march for our lives will be voting for the first time ever in the midterms. that's where i think you see a real problem for the president and a real pickup for democrats. >> how worried do you think republicans are, chris, about that, about the millennials and the new ones coming into the voting possibilities here? what do you think is driving the latest approval numbers for the president? >> well, i think it's a lot of what we just discussed about donald trump being a different type of governing. i will say a couple interesting points about these polling numbers. if you look at them, while trump's approval rating is a few points under where obama was at the same point in the presidency, it's almost exactly the same in terms of intensity of approval and intensity of disapproval. in some instances, donald trump should be happy about that because obama was popular at this point in his presidency. democrats didn't do well in 2010. in fact, they lost the house.
when a president goes into midterm election under 50%, the party in power loses an average of 30 to 35 seats. that's a real concern to us. when you get to the young people's argument, there's no question several constituencies, millennials, hispanics, african-americans republicans have to the a better job appealing to. i give trump credit during the general election campaign he made attempts to do so, probably more than republicans in the past. you can argue he hasn't done as good a job governing, but i think the attempt has been made. >> unfortunately i'm out of time. i would love to give you the last word adrienne. have a great sunday. >> thanks, alex. >> in addition to the easter bunny, cries for justice following another fatal police shooting. why does the white house consider such cases local matters?
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that's a rap for this hour of msnbc live. i'm alex witt. i'll see you again at noon. happy easter to all of you. now it's time for "am joy" with my good friend, joy reid. >> that's why i'm out here, man. i'm a father of two. they skilled stephon clark. they killed alton. they continue to kill us it could be any of us. now having a little bit of color to your skin means you're guilty. that shouldn't be the case. >> good morning. for those of you