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>> he has seen this happen before and he had seen it happen. the concept is border patrol so they can do broad patrol work. i'm hopeful and see what we can work out. >> the thing is there are more questions than answers right now. how many troops will be deployed? i don't know. how long will they be there? how much will it cost? we don't know. will the troops be armed? we don't know. and is it necessary? the president himself says border crossings are the an unacceptable 40-year low. is he sending troops to the border for i see own political purposes? we'll talk about this with former cia director john brennan.
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first, let's go to the white house. hallie jackson is with us. we heard from the pentagon a moment ago responding to questions about troops at the border. this is what they're saying. >> those are the questions we're looking to resolve right now. >> they don't have a lot of answers for a lot of the questions that are being asked of them. what is the white house telling the pentagon to do? is there a clear directive or is this an example of the president tweeting something and everybody below him trying to figure out a policy to match that tweet? >> secretary kirsten nielson was asked that verbatim, and her response was the homeland security department always had this as a possibility on the table. obviously there's ban renewed sense of urgency. but i will tell you based on my reporting, there is still a scramble going on to figure out all these pieces. i spoke with one administration
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official who said, listen, we have to figure out the lessons learned from operation jump start? 2006, there are still real questions about a lot of this, particularly on issues like what do these national guard troops actually do? we know aerial surveillance, but can they drive a bus, for example, if there are undocumented immigrants on that bus? what about where you put people who are caught trying to cross the border? is there enough room in the detention centers? will they convert military bases or use other infrastructure along the border? a lot of questions we just do not know the answers to, that's not necessarily because those answers exist and we don't know them, in a lot of ways they don't know answers either. >> hallie jackson at the white house. thank you very much. the president has just landed in white sulphur springs, west virginia. here he is coming off air force one. he'll be host ing a tax round
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table -- i'm sorry, this is lewisburg, west virginia. he'll be heading to white sulphur springs. let's bring in john brennan, nbc national security and intelligence contributor. directors thank you so much for being here. >> thank you, katy. >> the president says we should be scared that our borders are porous and open. bad people are flowing through, we need to send the military down there. before you were director of the cia, you were deputy national security adviser for homeland security. >> i think we need to be worried about all these matters, but i think we have to make sure we give the appropriate priority as well as focus to each of them. as far as the southern border is concerned, yes, we need to make sure we have strong controls, but we don't want to inhibit the transition of people, services,
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and goods across the border. the questions that you raised about what are the national guard is going to do, this is consistent by the decisions made by mr. trump, where decisions are made and they await a policy framework. has there been a role for the analogy troops along the years? yes. in some instances we were looking at how are you going to have an array of capabilities both physical as well as personnel that's going to give you the assurance you need that you have taken care of the southern border? but making a decision before any of these issues are addressed i think is, again, part of the way that this white house operates. >> border crossings are down, the president tweeted it himself. he said it was still unacceptable. is it necessary to send the national guard there right now? >> i don't believe it is. i'm not working within the government right now, but you have the border patrol, you have the technologies, the renovations of some of the walls
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and sensors along the border. there needs to be an array of capabilities there. but to send national guard there, i don't understand the rationale for it. >> we'll be voting in the midterms, primer voting is already under way. are we ready for russian meddling in the next set of elections? >> i don't think it's become obvious from the things that have been said, including by people in the administration. mcmaster said we haven't sent the signal to russia it's going to incur significant cost if it tries to do this again. i think there's both the issue what do we say to our adversaries and the message we send to tell them to stop. >> if you were still cia
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director today, what would you be doing right now? >> i would be trying to make sure we have our collection systems in place that we're able to detect early indications that the russians or others may be trying to have intrusions into the system. i would still be on my soapbox asking congress to create an independent commission that is really going to take a look comprehensively at this digital environment. the intelligence community along with the fbi and deputy of homeland security need to be working in collaboration. there need to be national security counsel meetings held. it's my impression that there's not that type of focus that we need to dedicated so that we don't go through another election where the russians and maybe others are going to try to interfere. >> we just heard there's going to be a new set of sanctions placed on russian oligarchs by this administration. the president himself says, and i'm sure you've heard it, that no one's been tougher on russia than he has.
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if you talked to nonpartisan analysts, journalists, they will say the sanctions the administration put on russia in recent months do take it a step further than the obama administration did. at the same time the president is on the phone with vladimir putin, he's very friendly, inviting him to the white house. is there an arrangement to be made that playing good cop bad cop is not necessarily a bad thing when it comes to a potential adversary like russia? >> the good cop bad cop proposed approach is not appropriate in this instance. i think vladimir putin and the russian government have to understand that there is yun it gives mr. putin a bit of reassurances he can continue on this path and donald trump is
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going to do what he can to protect mr. putin. >> you said on "morning joe" that russia may have something on president trump. you also went on to say they may have things they could suppose. that's an explosive thing to say as the former cia director. what were you talking about? >> i was asked the question why is mr. trump dealing with mr. putin in this rather inexplicable manner in terms of his submissiveness, his congratulating mr. putin on his election but not saying anything about the poisoning of individuals on british soil or interference in the election. when i was asked the question do they have something on him, i don't know, perhaps they do. i don't know. but one of the things we have to look at is why is mr. trump being so deferential to mr. putin. the killings on british soil would have had the approval of
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mr. putin. mr. trump needs to send a clear signal to mr. putin privately as well as publicly that what you are doing, what you are authorizing, is totally unacceptable, and you and your government are going to pay a cost unless you change your ways. >> what do you think of vladimir putin coming to the white house? it would be the first time since 2005? >> inconsistent with what i think our policy approach should be with russia. why would we reward mr. putin with a visit to the white house to meet with the president of the united states when we have these outstanding questions about whether or not russia is really going to change its posture towards the united states as far as interference in our domestic politics? whether or not the intelligence services are going to track down individuals and kill them. mr. trump is going to entertain mr. putin in the white house in washington, d.c.? it's incongruous. >> what is the alternative?
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is it "f" you're going to talk about this president, let's talk about the realities of how he might act. is it better for him to go on twitter and mock vladimir putin the way he's mocked kim jong-un? >> he shouldn't mock anybody on twitter. >> let's talk about the realities of who donald trump is. if that's who he is and that is obviously who he is, is it a better situation that have him going and poking a bear? >> he's mocked properly presidents of the united states, still treats so deferentially mr. putin. i agree with donald trump when he says we need to improve relations between moscow and washington, absolutely. we cannot have these tensions grow. but the way he's going about it is giving mr. putin reassurance he can continue on this track of publicly saying, of course, i'm not doing these things, while
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privately russian intelligence security services continue. >> i want to get you on the record about donald trump's pick to head the cia. there are a lot of questions about whether or not she's fit to do this, specifically because she oversaw black site, there are questions why you would put someone in that position who oversaw torture. overseeing the practice of water boreding, facial and abdomen slapping, dietary manipulations, cramps, confinement, striking more than 48 hours of sleep derivation. you were asked about her in general on "morning joe" and you defended her. you said she tried to carry out her duties to the best of her ability even when the cia was asked to do some very difficult things in challenging times. i'll put it to you in ways others have put it to me. is there anyone else who's qualified to do this job that wasn't involved in overseeing
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torture? >> i think she's the best person to do this job. he's a dedicated, experienced professional. was she part of a covert action program that was authorized by the president of the united states, that was deemed lawful by the highest legal body within the executive branch, the office of legal counsel at the department of justice, committees who authorized funds for it, and some of those members happen to have amnesia. so her nomination should be given appropriate scrutiny. they should look at what she did, but she was carrying out a dually authorized legal program, as controversial as it is, and as much as we have objections, she needs to be given a fair hearing. if you're going to basically take out of eligibility anybody at the cia who happened to be there at the time of this program, i think you're going to do a disservice to the men and women of the cia and send a bad
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signal if they're involved in controversial programs they can kiss their career goodbye. i do not believe it should have been implemented. i do not believe you can make a case of cause and effect in terms of where it not for these techniques you wouldn't have gotten information from detainees. >> he wanted to go to doing that by putting someone like her back into that position. what message is he sending to the rest of the world about the techniques the united states is willing to use? >> i hope that gina will say what i said at my confirmation hearing that i would never institute water boarding antiques. >> what if the president ordered her. >> to it's going to be up to gina to resist that or resign or have the president fire her.
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but i do not believe knowing her as i do, knowing the institution of the cia, i do not there would be support for reintroducing that program that would include water boarding. >> did he talk john brennan, thank you so much for being here. we appreciate your time. please come back. coming up next, we're going to look at what is really happening right now on the border, and the reality of the president getting what he wants. we'll take you live to the pentagon after a quick break. f. do not misjudge quiet tranquility with the power of 335 turbo-charged horses lincoln mkx, more horsepower than the lexus rx350 and a quiet interior from which to admire them. the lincoln spring sales event is here. for a limited time get zero percent apr on the lincoln mkx. hurry in today to your lincoln dealer. does your moisturizing romine does. an mvp? aveeno® skin relief.
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. we spoke to former cia director john brennan about president trump's national defense proposals, the latest of which is his announcement that he sfwoends send national guard troops to the u.s.-mexico border. there are many unanswered questions about what it will look like. courtney could you be courtney ku courtney kube, allen gomez. what is the latest from the incenting i know they tried to outline their plan in the last hour. let's listen. >> effective immediately we are establishing a new border security support cell lead by the assistant secretary of defense for homeland defense and global security. this is a 24/7 cell who will
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serve as the single conduit for information and coordination between d.o.d. and dhs. this is not business as usual. we will make sure we surge our capacity to meet the president's enhanced border security goals. >> courtney, give it to us in plainer speak how would this work? >> great question. we unfortunately don't have a lot of answers. it's going to be a group of planners. it's supposed to be 24/7. wee assume they'll be watching operations from the border, but we don't know what the 24/7 component is going to look like. so far the people who will be manning the cell are people in the pentagon. what they're trying to figure out right now is all the specifics. the capability request comes from the department of homeland
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security. we need people along the border for this and that and for these specific capabilities and then the department of defense says that's going to take x number of national guard troops and vehicles. we still haven't gotten to the point of how many troops this will involved, what kind of assets they have, we don't know who's going to be paying for it yet. we don't know if it will come from the federal, state budgets or what. >> our big question was is this just political, phil. you write about this in "the washington post" today. you say several people who have spoken to the president say he's telling advisers that he is finally expediting the policies that got him elected. is this just the president saying to himself i need a wall, i have to figure out how to get a wall, let me send the national guard down there to act as troops, a human wall.
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>> the president was so frustrated with congress that he didn't get the funding he needs to construct this promised campaign wall at the u.s./mexico border, and now he's doing what he can through executive action, which is sending the national guard down there, preempting what they think is a refugee crisis at the border. he wants to show his conservative base that he's so responsive all the time and wants to prove to them they saysa say -- that he is building the wall. >> i guess the latest version of a bill he could potentially get funding for, if he does not have a wall under his belt f a wall is not being built by the summer of 2019, is he not going to be -- is that a silver bullet to his re-election hopes? >> i don't know but it would be a failure and difficult for him
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to explain to his voters why there's no wall. remember, he said it would be so easy, to convince mexico to pay for it. >> does mexico need to pay for it? >> he says mexico will pay for it, but they've said again and again that they will not. >> hold on with that. allen, let's talk about why now. the border crossings are at an all-time low. in 2017, cpb reported the lowest level of illegal crossing migrations on record, arrests by border agents declined by 24% between 2016 and 2017. and they were at their lowest since 1971. why is this happening now in 2018? >> by the way, the numbers have gone even further now n 2018 they're down a further 13% so far in the first six months of the year. i think why now is pretty simple. it's fascinating to watch. we get caught up in the day to
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day, but that started sunday with the caravan he tweeted about coming to the border. on monday the white house held a background call with reporters. they put it together quickly to explain at the time what was going to be a brand-new legislative proposal to change our laws to make it harder for people to come in. but then tuesday he came back and started talking about the military for the first time. that's why we have so many unanswered questions right now because that was the first time mention of it on tuesday. that sent everybody scrambling to sort of put this plan together. we had that press conference yesterday with the department of homeland security secretary nielson where he was trying to find a justification for this, for why we suddenly need this surge of national guard. an hour ago they sent out a statement providing their justification from february to march the number of people crossing the border increased by
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37%. so that's apparently their justification. >> talking about who's going to pay for the wall, phil, you were on the campaign trail with me. you knew we were trying for months and months to get to the bottom of how he intended mexico to pay for the wall. obviously mexico wasn't just going to write him a check and hand it to him. one of the answers he gave to your colleague, bob costa and to everyone is that he will stop immigrants from sending money back to mexico in order to pay for the wall. has that happened? >> that has not happened, katy. i don't know how any of this is going to happen in terms of getting mexico to pay for a wall. there was actually a phone call a couple weeks ago between president trump and president peña nieto of mexico where trump refused to publicly acknowledge that mexico's position is that it will not pay for the wall, and it became a huge blowup. the president of mexico isn't coming to washington now, and trump is just so insist tant
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that mexico will pay for this. maybe in nafta there can be money worked in and he can claim victory, but that still not happened. >> it's a rule of trump campaign politics, say what you need, you don't have to deliver on it. >> phil rucker, allen gomez, courtney kube, thank you. scraping, chances are you don't know what it is, but facebook says it was likely done to your facebook profile. what is it and what's at risk? i see every time i'm in the field. while this was burning, you were saving other homes. neighbors helping neighbors and strangers alike. - this is what america's about. - sometimes it's nice to see all the good that's out there. bringing folks out, we have seen it in community after community. but i really love it. i'm on the move all day long. and sometimes, i don't eat the way i should. so, i drink boost to get the nutrition i'm missing. boost high protein nutritional drink has 15 grams of protein to help maintain muscle and 26 essential vitamins and minerals,
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facebook has a new warning for its users. your profile has in all likelihood been scraped. mark zuckerberg admitted malicious actors gained access to a specific search tool on the platform, & accessed data on two billion users worldwide. >> i think the thing that people should assume, just given that this is a feature that's been available for a while, a lot of people used it for the right way, but there's also -- we've seen some scraping. i would assume that if you had that setting turned on that someone at some point has access
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oed your public information. >> they didn't gain access. that access was just available to anybody that. revelation came when the social media giant announced political data firm cambridge analytica gathered information on 87 million facebook users, a figure far larger than previously acknowledged. and 71 million of those affected were americans. cambridge analytica disputed that number by a tweet. they insist they only licensed data for only 30 million users, so much better. jonathan morgan, chief executive of new knowledge. ana, what is scraping? >> scraping is going in and using phone numbers or personal e-mails that a bad actor or even a company trying to sell advertisements, they work use those phone numbers they already have. they get your e-mail, your
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profile picture, your full name, where you live, where you're at right there if your location services are turned on. >> every store i go to asks me for my e-mail. so you can assume your information is just out there and facebook, they don't know how many people, how many bad actors, how many companies have accessed your information. >> so we won't be able to know this? >> i don't think so, no. >> so it's just kind of out there floating in the either, oh, how nice. these revelations come a week before mark zuckerberg is going to testify in front of congress. what is facebook now trying to do? is this a big pr campaign having cheryl sandberg on the tod"the show tomorrow, they didn't tell anybody that was happening for years. >> the people around mark zuckerberg realize that it was a huge mistake when he said that it was crazy to think that fake news might have influenced the election. so now the pendulum is swinging the other way.
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that 87 million number is to show all the people who downloaded that app, that survey test, and that's all the people whose information went to cambridge analytica, that's a big number. it night have been that many. so they're trying to out of an abundance of caution say it could be up to 87 million. so i think they're trying to seem contrite and giving conservative numbers. what the admission was yesterday is that anyone who's accessed or used facebook has their information out there, and really anyone caused access to the profile information. >> jonathan, you've been monitoring this nefarious activity on social media platforms for years now. did facebook ignore the risks for their own benefit? >> i think there's no other way to frame it. i think obviously there's encouraging signs facebook is taking the problem seriously. there's contrition, they're being conservative about the number of accounts that may have
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been exploited or the amount of data that had been breechld breached. but texan about this problem and chose not to zloez it. what other types of attacks and data breaches are currently being conducted? i think it's difficult to say. >> what other whistle blowers are out there or what are you sorry for if a journalist uncovers it? facebook apps can no longer have access to the guest lists, and the contents and messages posted. listen, if you read the facebook messenger install and the amount of information they were asking for you, i imagine anybody who read that would have said no, but that's just me. they will also have a link at the top of users' news feed prompting them to view third party apps.
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is this enough in your estimation, jonathan? >> not at all. it's so difficult for individual users to understand how their data is being consumed, how their data is being shared, because as much as we're talking about this, as if it's some kind of data breach in the same way our credit card information might get stolen, the truth is this is how the platform was designed. these are features that facebook made available to advertisers and researchers and all sorts of third parties who wanted our data. they did this with hope that everybody would behave ethically and follow the rules out of the goodness of their heart. and that's been incredibly naive. >> did they hope that or just not really care what happens next? >> i think they just didn't think through potential consequences. this is a pattern of behavior where they were just naive and
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it shows rentals for one bedroom of less than $1,000. >> i never heard of an apartment like that. i lived in washington over 25 years. >> tough question from ed henry. i'm joined by politico's emily holden. emily, you go into detail in all of pruitt's current woes in your politico article. quote, the departure of one of his top aides, the erosion of one of his key defenses, a troubled fox news interview, that's saying something, and growing concern in the white house about his cascade of ethic cal problems. how bad is it? >> there's widespread frustration among staffers in that people have seen the fox interview in particular as very damaging. but it's unclear whether the president made up his mind about him yet.
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>> okay. let's listen to fox news this morning. >> i can't speak to the future of scott pruitt. the white house is aware of these reports. we're obviously looking into those. we don't have any announcements to make as regards to staffing right now, but we're aware and we believe that some of these questions need to be answered. >> richard, i was talking to a gentleman yesterday from "the daily beast" who did an article about scott pruitt saying the reason he felt has his position when others have done less and gotten fired from their position is that he was essentially too corrupt to fire, that he was in a position where he was the ear for a voting block and for a conservative movement against the epa that donald trump needed. do you think there's merit to that argument? >> i don't see what's so conservative about refusing to
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women are raped at levels that nobody's ever seen before. they don't want to mention that. so we have to change our laws. and the democrats, what they're doing is just -- it's insanity. nobody understands what's going on. so we have to have strong border. we have a ball. we've started building it and fixing miles and miles of wall that's already up and fenced. and we're going to have our wall and we're going to get it very strongly. the military will be building some of it. but we're going to have strong borders. believe it or not -- >> donald trump talking about taxes at a tax rant -- i'm sorry. he's at a tax round table, but he's talking about women raped in mexico, referring to the comments he made back when he started his campaign, those
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comments that were inflammatory and got him into what was perceived to be so much trouble in the campaign but actually ignite t ignited the campaign. i've been talking about how we're returning to the good old days of trump being trump. here is another perfect example of it. he's at a tax round table and he's talking about mexican rapists. e e eli stokols is here, and author of the blog for "the washington post." eli, make sense of this for me. >> it's hard because he fwroubo from thing to thing. he's talking about immigration and he's using -- this is a guy who's been accused of sexual harassment or assault by over a dozen women, and yet he is invoking womanhood, white womanhood specifically and the need to defend it in order to justify a very hardline
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immigration policy. and that's something we've seen before throughout history. we've seen that in the jim crow days in terms of that justified the way crime and punishment for african-americans who were accused of looking there is a thread here, a historical thread and it is fascinating to see how donald trump's brain works the way he talks at the events. >> he just says whatever he wants to talk about and he's at a tax round table but talking about women rapist and the military should go down to the border and it is a dangerous place and people are pouring in. when he started his campaign he said mexicans were pouring in and rapist and drug dealers and some who are probably good people and right now take -- taking about this caravan seeming nefarious but it is people trying to seek asylum because they are living in extremely dangerous conditions where they're coming from. it is not exactly a bunch of knife-wielding rapists and
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murderers and isis terrorists coming across the border. they are people looking for a better life and going to register and present themselves. it is not like they are going to try and sneak in. >> yeah. like the old joke is everything he said was a lie including "the" and "and." none of this accurate. we've at a 46 year low in apprehensions at the border between american economy and the recession and then the mexican economy picking up and better board security, that is not the issue that it was 40 years ago. secondly, the military is not building the wall. and in fact, he was barred by the language of the omnibus that he signed in using any of that money to build a fixed wall. what else can we say. oh, rape laws. maybe we shouldn't be endorsed accused child molest --
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molesters and with a history of women accusers. none of this makes sense or factual and you do wonder what the level of sort of disgust and just frustration the american people -- >> you do wonder about that. but let's look at the numbers. his gallop poll numbers are steady. his cnn poll numbers are up. he points to rasmussen, it is a problematic poll but that is up. he's going back to trump being trump. and it's working for him, at least a little bit. obviously, yes, he won the electoral college but not the popular vote but is this message still something that will resonate with folks. does he just need to be seen like he's fighting and saying something that outrages everybody else. >> the populous demagoguery continues unabated and fewer people serve as guard rails in the white house to rein in the
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impulses whether it is policy or rhetoric over the last couple of weeks since the omnibus bill and since he heard feedback from his base that the base was angry about not enough wall funding, you are seeing this hard turn and seeing, okay, we'll send troops to the border and do those tariffs. you're seeing the rhetoric against amazon and an angrier donald trump and i think you can understand where that comes from but you also have to step back and say this is what endeared donald trump to his base. he is always been petrified about losing the base and every time he hears oh, no the base isn't happy, he goes even harder in that direction. >> let's see if it works a second time around. it works in 2016. up for debate whether it will work in 2020. we'll have you on to talk about that twitter feed. we'll do that tomorrow. eli and jennifer, thank you very much. and again, we'll bring you the world without trump's twit tomorrow. we're back in a moment. but first remember to follow the show on facebook, twitter and instagram. katy tur nbc. we'll be right back. why did we re-engineer america's #1 detergent?
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one more thing before we go. sinclair media is refusing to cow to the backlash from a viral video showing news anchors reading the same script warning of so-called fake news. former trump staff boris epstein now the sinclair chief political analyst addressed the controversy through his segment, bottom line with boris. it is a good chance you saw him
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defense for yourself since sinclair reaches 40% of all american households and because sinclair mandates that the station run his segments. >> some critics would have you believe my experience somehow disqualifies me for providing you with my analysis and comment air yi airary. here is my question. would you want someone talk to you worked in politics -- >> i wish we had the doctor part after that. david d. smith defended so-called must-run segments in "the new york times" saying not that you would print it, but do you understand that every local tv station is required to must run from the network content and that is all of the news programming such as late night talk which is just late night political so-called comedy. this man also said that all netwo network anchors -- everything they say is reviewed by higher
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ups. yes, number one. yes, scripts are reviewed and by e.p. and nbc news standards to make sure they are fair and reviewed by nbc news legal to make sure we aren't defaming anyone and they reviewed by other journalists and not by corporate bosses and they are not written by corporate bosses and forced into our mouths. late night is not news, it is doesn't matter what your opinion or distaste might be. late night is not news. just ask the fcc. what your company, did, mr. smith, was to force news anchors and journalists to read corporate talking points talking points that couldn't exactly refuse to say since according to bloomberg you have the draconian noncompete clauses in contracts that would not only leave them out of a job for six months, but could force them to pay you damages of up to 40% of their annual paycheck. strong-arming, that is what i would call it. that wraps things up this hour. ali velshi picks things up now. i need a hug but i won't take one today. >> we'll wait until next year
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and hug a news person day. thank you. good afternoon, i'm ali velshi. the president is holding a round table meeting right now. meant to praise his tax bill, despite a slew of controversy, domestic and international hanging in the back drop. trump aides are working to stave off worldwide concern over a trade war that sent market news a fren-- frenzy and they recove today but then the president's seemingly spur of the moment decision to send the national guard to the u.s.-mexican border and there are questions on why that is necessary and the number of illegal border crossings is at a historic and how it would work and who would pay for it, because it is not in the budget, including all of the other foreign policy issues on the president's plate. so for more on this i'm joined by nbc news white house corresponde correspondent kristen welker. what are we working on this


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