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paul manafort copping a plea deal, agreeing to cooperate with special counsel robert mueller. what this means for the russia investigation, and who else the president's inner circle may be talking with robert mueller. plus, danger in the carolinas. six people are dead as tropical storm florence continues to creep slowly across north and south carolina, dumping torrential rains. msnbc has live team coverage as that storm forces families to find higher ground. we'll begin today with another guilty plea in the russia investigation. paul manafort, the former trump campaign chair for who for a long time stood defiant is now cooperating fully with special counsel robert mueller. an investigation the president has dubbed a witch hunt has indeed snatched another witch. the news had its recalling this moment from 2016 when paul manafort stumbled in answering a question about russia. >> so to be clear, mr. trump has no financial relationships with
any russian oligarchs? >> that's what he said. that's what i said. that's obviously what our position is. >> that's what the position is. with me now, jeff bennett covers the white house with us here at msnbc. jill. locklin and jay. jeff, let me start with you and this moment, this reversal, just a few weeks ago, you had president trump praising paul manafort after the decision in that first trial in the eastern district of virginia. this is, indeed a reversal of fate for paul manafort. >> it certainly is, david. we have yet to hear from president trump directly about what he thinks of all of this. remember how quickly president trump called on michael cohen, his long-time attorney and friend after cohen struck that deal with prosecutors in the southern district of new york. turned on a dime on michael cohen. we'll have to see what he says, if anything, about paul manafort. we've seen how the white house and the president's outside legal team have tried to minimize the manafort mess.
both sides putting out statements saying that this has nothing to do at all with president trump. although we know in the criminal investigation, the court documents make clear that some of paul manafort's criminal behavior, the money laundering, the work on behalf of foreign governments without registering in this country as a lobbyist, that continued while manafort was working as campaign chairman for the trump campaign. it's also true that when donald trump hired him to work for free as a campaign chairman, paul manafort was a known quantity. it was no secret that he made his personal fortune, his vast millions having done consulting work for shady figures all around the globe. david? >> those shady figures now very much in focus as we begin to learn more about his relationship to them and what relationship they might have had with then candidate donald trump. let me turn to you on that point, locklin. you had a prosecutor for bob mueller's team asked by the judge in this case to read all that they had against him here, that entire criminal information that took, i gather, 25 minutes
time. as you sifted through all of this, what have you learned about the role paul manafort played? >> well, this has the potential to envelop a lot of major characters in washington's influence industry and go well beyond the scope of donald trump's campaign. now, it could go in that direction too. obviously paul manafort has a lot to say about the campaign he chaired, but he also may have a lot to say about folks about tony podesta or folks at mercury public affairs, two of the major d.c. power house lobbying firms that were subcontractors in the work that he was doing in ukraine. these are some of the biggest names in lobbying and certainly this has the potential to send ripples throughout all of k street and all of this sort of shadowy world of foreign influence here in d.c. >> jay newton-small, give me your perspective on that. i knew of these firms. you heard from these firms. tony podesta was a name on everyone's lips at some point. vin weber, republican congressman from minnesota, a
huge firm internationally. help us understand here what this means now that that focus shifts to those three gentlemen in particular. >> david, it's clear that washington needs to do another overhaul of their ethics rules. that's been obvious for a long time. especially given the changes in campaign finance that they had this sort of rule where it send if you spent less than a quarter of your time lobbying, you didn't have to register as a lobbyist. they abused. in the case of paul manafort or in this particular case the podesta group and mercury -- the p.r. firm, they represented this kind of like -- you know, at one point tony podesta's group called the hot dog stand in ukraine, that was their client. it was essentially this non-profit set up to sort of represent ukrainian interests but it was really shady and it was clear that that money was coming from somebody else.
it wasn't actually this non-profit that was sort of a grass roots thing that grew into a major kind of movement. and i think that it shows that when you have these groups that are setting up fake kind of structures, fake organizations the way manafort did and the way apparently these other groups have that there's a lot of problems in tracking money in washington and this is probably something that congress should look at again. >> jill, i want to ask you about a line in the washington post piece about flippers. flippers don't get to pick who they cooperate against. help us understand what aon themy now paul manafort has that he's agreed to this plea deal? >> his plea deal says that he will cooperate on anything he is asked about. it is in his best interest to have already made a proffer of all the crimes he committed and all the crimes that he knows about so that he will not be indicted in the future on any of those things that he has talked about. and, in the same way prosecutors don't get to pick who their
witnesses are. people who know about crimes like this are people who have participated in them. so they aren't the best people. but they are the people who have the knowledge. and i want to just point out about manafort is that he is a direct link to russia. because when we talk about he worked for ukraine, he didn't work for ukrainian interests. he worked for russian interests in ukraine. he worked for the pro-russia party of ukraine. so now we have a direct link between the campaign chairman for donald trump and russia. and that can open a lot of doors to further investigation by mueller. and that's one of the reasons he's so important. when you add him to weesing berg and cohen, you have a trifecta of witnesses who could really be significant in taking down the president and bringing the evidence that people need to see to understand what has gone wrong in our election in 2016.
>> jeff, there's a storm going on. i don't need to tell people that. it's certainly something ut appears the president is mostly focussed on if you look at his twitter page, look at that disaster declaration from this morning. he hasn't commented on the deal that we saw yesterday. we have heard from rudy giuliani. what indications do you have of how this changes the president's legal team strategy going forward? >> you know, it's a great question. it's interesting. rudy giuliani's statement echoed the same statement that sarah sanders the white house put out. we don't know for sure if this is a coordinated strategy. we should mention the outside legal team retracted the statement and reissued it. and the thing that they deleted the one line they deleted from the statement was this line that said and paul manafort will tell the truth. and you could see, paul manafort tells the truth and implicates donald trump, that creates a huge problem for the president's outside legal team. i think the fact that we have not heard from the president on this suggests that he really is grasping the gravity of this. i can tell you there have been a
great many topics to include the death toll count the casualty count in puerto rico. a great many topics his advisers inside and outside the white house have cautioned him not to talk about. this seems to be the one, david, where he seems to be heeding their advice. >> lachlan, you are looking at how the president is approaching tropical storm florence as it continues to make its way across the carolinas. we have all read the tweets the president sent about hurricane maria and that study from the george washington university about deaths from that storm. help us understand his approach here as we learn the president's preparing to make a trip to the carolinas in the coming days. >> well, we spoke to current and former white house and administration officials who virtually unanimously said at the forefront of the president's mind, right now or during any major storm like this, is to avoid anyone branding it his katrina. the idea of hurricane katrina and the damage it did to president bush's legacy and credibility at the time is very much in his mind right now.
so, he wants not just to help people on the ground there but to be seen as helping people on the ground there. so, he's been doing things like putting in a lot of phone calls to governors and senators and mayors so that if reporters ask them have you spoke on the the president, they can say, yes, we've spoken to the president. you know, he's getting regular briefings in the oval office. if he's asked, he wants to say fema is doing this. fema is doing that and so on. so the optics are really at the forefront of his mind. obviously he wants to avoid as much destruction and loss of life as possible. but in large measure that's motivated by wanting to manage the perception of how he's responded to this. >> and the white house sending out a picture of the briefing the president had last night on the subject of this. one second, jill. you had a pin on in the last hour. why the cage bird sings. this is a different pin. you switched pins. you a boutonniere boutique under our desk there. >> i had two hits so i had two
pins. this is my support for mueller and the release of all the information that mueller has. immaterial i want it to come out. i want the truth to be known. i want the people to evaluate it fairly if they get the facts. >> thank you very much, jill. thank you for joining us. still ahead, flood fears as rising waters in the carolina continue to pose a threat to north carolinaens forcing fanllies to seek higher ground. msnbc has live team coverage and we'll return to the carolinas next.
as you know from the beginning, we've been watching for this storm and hurricane, it's been most unpredictable. what has been predictable and steady is our concern about the heavy rain and the flooding. and that is on course for what we have been anticipating all along. >> that's south carolina governor henry mcmaster just moments ago talking about the challenges the region faces from tropical storm florence. i want to give you the latest here beyond the bands of colors you see over here, the heavy rain behind me, almost 900,000 individuals are in the dark. six individuals are dead. this morning, president trump, signing a disaster declaration for north carolina. the red cross has more than 5,000 people in its shelters. tammy is in conway, south
carolina. we are in wilmington, north carolina surveying the damage from the storm. matt bradley in the state's capital tracking florence as it continues to move inland. tammy, there's a lot of standing water around you. the rain dissipating a little bit there. give us the latest from where you stand in conway. >> reporter: hey, david. i believe you're talking to me. i can't hear anything because we lost reception out here. as you can see, the rain has been coming down relentlessly. i'm actually standing on a road, a road that has been completely washed away and closed. take a look here. the amount of water that is being coming through and the power of this water, it's actually turned this road into a river. it is not stopped raining here. we're in conway, which is about 20 mimes inland. we're already seeing quite a bit of flooding here, some houses under water. some roads washed away.
and this rain is relentless, which is a big problem. they're saying one of their major concerns is that the three main rivers in this county will crest. and if that happens, it will wash out the main road in and out of myrtle beach. we spoke with the mayor a short while ago. her big concern is that if it washes out the main road, the residents that are in myrtle beach right now won't be able to leave. the residents that evacuated, which is about 60% of the county, they won't be able to get back in. so, they're definitely keeping an eye on that. they're worried this could happen in the next three to seven days. david, i'm going to toss it back to you. remember, i can't hear anything. back to you. >> fair enough. let's move up to new bern, north carolina, if we could. that's where we have -- excuse me, let's move rather to wilmington to cal perry, very close to where this storm made official landfall at 7:15 on friday morning. cal, what's the latest you can tell us. your folks beginning to find
their way back to this, the seventh or eighth largest city in north carolina. >> reporter: yeah, exactly that, david. folks starting to make their ways back as the bands make their way through. what they're greeted with is this. trees down in the middle of the road. the crews can't get to these houses. you see here, this house. this is charlie's house. we'll talk to charlie in just a minute. had this big tree come in and this is the damage we're talking about. this is the risk of why you leave this storm. if you follow me, we'll go right with charlie. hey, charlie. thanks for doing this. i really appreciate it. show us your house. show us the damage so people can get a sense. you were here during the storm. you actually moved you said to a fire house? >> yeah. we evacuated across from the fire house downtown. we were worried about the wind speeds and how long the wind would be here. and we were worried about the trees falling on our house and it actually happened. >> you can see here, david. water damage all over the floor. this is what we're seeing across the city of wilmington. we'll go into the kitchen.
i'll show you where the tree came into the house. this is what people are finding when they come back. this is why they want to come back. you can see right here. >> well, one of the main reasons why we stayed was because we knew that there was going to be problems. and we can help out other people. we didn't think that we would need the help this time. but we're out chain sawing trees away, trying to clear roads. it's just -- you know a lot of people left that were probably safe. but we're just really glad that we're safe now. >> you obviously feel like you made the right decision. you have two small girls. >> yeah. >> you made the right decision to go from the house obviously. >> yeah. that counter right there is where our kids do their home work. it's where my wife does her computer work for her business. and this is where it all came down. so, if we would have stayed, i think that something horrible could have happened. >> thank you very much, charlie, for your letting us into your home today. i'm incredibly story, of course,
for what happened. david, this is what people are dealing with when they come back to their homes, these trees, a lot of these old neighborhoods, beautiful neighborhood. you said one of the reasons you moved here was the trees. >> yeah. actually when we bought the house, we had beautiful twin oaks in the back. and it was just so beautiful over our house. and we've trimmed it and kept it up over the past storms or the past 13 years that we've lived here, but you know, this is the year that the trees decided to fall. so now we've lost pretty much everything. >> this is why authorities say people want to get out, even if it's a category 1 storm. it doesn't make a lot of difference when those trees come down, especially in neighborhoods like this. a lot of this stuff got kicked up in the debris. >> yeah. it was really tough. we stayed downtown. it was safe there, but we saw horrible limbs and signs flying down the streets. if anything like that would have hit somebody, it could have killed them.
so, the people that left, i don't blame them for leaving. i do wish we had more people here to help, but i think they're on their way back and i think it will be okay. >> to that, thank you, charlie. i really appreciate that. to that, 4,400 crews are out in this area trying to get to homes just like this one. >> cal, perry, my colleague in wilmington, north carolina. we wish charlie and his family the best of course. we'll turn to matt bradley. we heard from the governor of that state talking about the danger that flooding still poses to folks in south carolina. he is really echoing what his colleague to the north, roy cooper, in north carolina is saying as well that the rain is still falling. there's still a risk here of these rivers cresting their banks. you're standing by one now. what's the latest from colombia? >> reporter: well, david, as i mentioned earlier, so far south carolina has averted the worst of the disaster that north carolina had to experience. henry mcmaster, the governor of
south carolina, just addressed this state and announced the first death in the state from hurricane florence bringing the death toll from the hurricane as a whole up to six, though this is the only one in south carolina. but that doesn't mean that this entire state is out of the woods yet, as it were. now, i'm standing here in this river right in the center of colombia, south carolina. now, this is flooding its banks. this is not because of hurricane florence. this is actually in preparation for hurricane florence. a lot of the dams around the region here in midland, south carolina, have been slightly opened to allow some of the waters to come out and flood a little bit into the river ways. this is in preparation for the hurricane to avert the kind of disaster they saw here back in 2015. that's when 15 people were killed when some of the levies around the dams in the region broke and caused massive flooding throughout the region. now, so far the weather seems to be improving. and it might actually improve more and more as the weekend goes on, but the forecast says
that this storm is going to be moving further west and further north. and so this is a slow motion problem for this state of south carolina because forecasters say that flood waters could actually begin up river, up in the appalachian mountains and flow down south here and breach some of the levies and dams and riverways i'm standing in here on monday or tuesday. that's the delayed response to hurricane florence here in central south carolina. david? >> matt bradley, in colombia. we'll check in with you throughout the afternoon as our coverage continues. i want to go to the mayor of boford. i spent a couple summers at the duke marine lab. i know that's a place you are all too familiar with. you made your return to the town. you're the mayor of beaufort. tell us what your biggest
challenges are here as you begin to clean up from the aftermath. >> thank you, david. yes, we are in a full recovery mode right now. we have downed power lines and downed trees. we're still concerned about flood surge right now. it doesn't look like it will be as drat dramatic as it was yesterday. we're in this recovery mode. our first responders are doing a tremendous job. i also like to say that we just had task force one from nevada, search and rescue team, show up yesterday afternoon. so both the local effort and a national effort as well. >> what's this storm been like when you look at past ones. as i said, you grew up there. you're familiar with hurricanes. you're not stranger to them. how did this one differ? we're watching how slowly it's creeping across south carolina now up into western north carolina? >> well, david, we were just lucky. we were just flat out lucky. if it hit us as a category 4, we would have more damage.
our much more low lying area community they have been devastated. in beaufort, we have been more fortunate in the level of damage that we've had. >> we were watching a couple days ago. my colleague was on radio islands on one of the barrier islands. you know these all too well. how have they been affected by it? i mentioned the duke marine lab. you're a ph.d. student getting a degree from oceanography in duke university. how have they been affected by the quantity of storms? >> they actually just help to dampen the energy. we're about a mile and a half from the opening to the atlantic ocean. those barrier islands really do protect us as well. we're kind of watching those move as these hurricanes pound away at them. >> what's your message to residents of beaufort who left, who are coming back now, wanting to come back to see what happened. are you welcoming them back? are you advising they take more
time? what's your message to those you represent? >> the biggest thing is to check the website to see which roads are open and which are not. almost all of the roads coming to beaufort are impassable because of flooding. some of that may be tidal. some of that may be static right now based on the flood waters that are there. so it's really important that you check those -- that website to make sure that it's clear to come back to beaufort. we do have a day -- a nighttime to daytime curfew in effect in beaufort right now, but in the very near future we'll be welcoming our evacuees back to beaufort. >> last question. we're talking to you by phone. you're making your way around town, assessing what happened during the course of the storm. just paint a picture for us. is rain continuing to fall in beaufort? what does the scene look like? >> yes. we've got rain that's currently falling. the winds are much lighter, but still in the 20 miles per hour neighborhood right now.
but the town, businesses are starting to open back up. they're cleaning out and getting ready to go. we still don't have power. so we've cleared the area so the power companies can come back and get us back on the network. >> the mayor of beaufort, nk mc. great to speak with you on this saturday afternoon. i wish you and the citizens of beaufort the very best. appreciate the time. >> thanks, david. i appreciate you chapel hill folk speaking to us duke folk. every now and then we'll make exceptions and talk to those who went to the other university in central north carolina yvlgts brett kavanaugh, look how much danger the judge's confirmation is in because of that letter. -computer, order pizza.
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i took no initiative to inform anyone, but when i was asked by a representative of this committee to report my experience, i felt that i had to tell the truth. i could not keep silent. >> that of course is anita hill back in 1991, testifying that then supreme court nominee clarence thomas had sexually
harassed her. clarence thomas was later confirmed by the u.s. senate in a narrow 52-48 vote. now 27 years later, another supreme court nominee, brett kavanaugh, facing a sexual misconduct allegation of his own. according to a report in the new yorker magazine, claim by an unanimous woman go back to the early 1980s when judge kavanaugh was still a high school student. the woman allege that during an encounter at a party, kavanaugh held her down and that he attempted to force himself on her. the article continuing and that kavanaugh covered her mouth with his hand. the trump nominee whose confirmation vote is scheduled for the upcoming week released this statement in response, quote, i categorically deny this allegation. i did not do this back in high school or at any time. joining me now is congressional correspondent for npr and partner ats will egrand law. i want to play tape from jane mayor, who co-authored that piece talking about the author of that memo that senator dianne
feinstein took to enter into the record in the senate. let's take a look to what she had to say to my colleague chris hayes. >> sure. >> this is not somebody who was smoked out by people trying to sort of bring kavanaugh down. this is someone who just wanted -- she was troubled by what she knew. she felt she had information that she thought was important, that she wanted to share with the authorities. >> scott, let me turn to you just to get a sense of the reaction to this on capitol hill. that memo that's been tendered is now available for those senators, all senators i gather, to review in the official record now at this point for them to review. contrast what we heard there, describing this woman to what we know of anita hill. she's saying i play a moment ago, she felt like she had to come out. we are nowhere near that point. all of us don't know the identity who this woman is. >> that's right because at the same time that she did come forward, according to senator feinstein's office, she does not want to go public.
she does not want to testify in front of the senate. and that's why you saw feinstein walking this very tricky line where she had this information to herself for a long period of time and didn't do anything with it. and it wasn't until midweek that she briefed other democratic senators with it. and then released that very cryptic statement earlier in the week that got everyone's attention and wondering what exactly was going on here. i think there's a lot of uncertainty about what comes next. one of the most telling things for me was that as we called democrat after democrat on friday, hardly anybody on the democratic side was willing to talk about this. there's just a lot of uncertainty about what's going to happen next, if anything. >> rebecca, i want to get your reaction to this. we had the three days of public hearings with judge kavanaugh. there was a closed session part of that hearing as well and got this cryptic statement from senator feinstein's office well after that hearing concluded. how does this change the course of this, do you think? >> you know, we don't know. it may not change the course of things. it's a difficult situation.
the woman in this case unlike anita hill is not willing to go public and you can certainly understand why. you can see what anita hill went through when she came forward. so the woman who submitted the letter here as chosen not to go public. that means there's probably a lot not -- not a lot that can be found out, can be investigated, can be publicly reviewed. i will say if the whole process here of reviewing kavanaugh's credentials and documents and history had not been forced into such a compressed time line, there might be ways to address this, both more conscientious. i don't know how much we'll get to find out about the real facts here before a decision is made. >> scott, anita hill came out with a statement after all of this came to light. i'll read a little. given the seriousness of these allegations, the government needs to find a fair and neutral way for complaints to be investigated. the senate judiciary committee should put in place a process enables anyone with a complaint
of this nature to be heard. i have seen firsthand what happens when such a process is weaponized against an accuser and no one should have to endure that again. i want to get your aaction to that. that needs to be respected. i think he was also referring to what we saw during the course of that hearing for judge kavanaugh in which a number of documents committee confidential were made public. talk a bit about that. the critiques of this process as we've seen this time around. >> sure. the other thing to say about the process is that from day one senate republicans had a goal of getting judge kavanaugh on the supreme court in time for the fall sessions. that's one reason why early on we heard that senate majority leader mitch mcconnell had some concerns about kavanaugh as a nominee because of all that paperwork. senate republicans resolved those paperwork concerns by this process the democrats criticized and that led to all of those interruptions and protests during the hearing of just
relying on the bush administration's private lawyer to go through and be the arbiter of what was released and what wasn't released. chuck grassley, the chairman of the judiciary committee is going forward as of yesterday, is going forward with the committee vote on kavanaugh's nomination this week. and at the moment has given no indication that there will be any pause to air this out or anything similar. >> last question to you, rebecca. scott is talking about the speed with which all of this has happened. it struck me as i saw this letter come off yesterday, 65 women who knew brett kavanaugh when he was a high school student. he went to an all boys school. women writing for the entire time we've known brett kavanaugh he treated women with respect. we strongly believe it's important to convey this information to the committee at this time. that came out very quickly here. lined up those 65 women very quickly to sign that letter. what does that say to you about
this process? the degree to which ducks have been placed in a row here? >> right. there are certainly reasons to suspect that perhaps judge kavanaugh and the republicans knew this was coming. but we don't know for sure. number of the people who signed the letter have said no, no, no, we only hear about this late thursday night. so we don't know for sure. but, it does seem that this -- did not seem to be a surprise entirely to judge kavanaugh supporters. the frustrating thing for me as a citizen and attorney who will potentially have my life for decades affected by judge kavanaugh is there's so many questions i fear we're not going to get answered because the process is being so rushed. >> my thanks to both of you. i just want to note on the way out, nbc news has not independently confirmed that new yorker magazine. while this is in the kavanaugh file, again, four senators to review the fbi is not launching an investigation. again my thanks to my colleagues. still ahead here, what paul
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( ♪ ) paul manafort has cut a deal with special counsel robert mueller. president trump's former campaign chairman pled guilty friday to two federal crimes and agreed to cooperate with robert mueller's team. those charges relating to his consulting work with foreign governments. paul manafort's plea agreement making him the latest trump aide to plead guilty in the robert mueller investigation, which
begs the question, everyone is asking, what does paul manafort know. joining me is lachlan and carolina. hear we were a few weeks of out of that trial in the eastern district he was found guilty of a number of trials. what's your sense of what he knows or what interest he is to robert mueller? >> it's a huge deal. i quite frankly was shocked when i heard he was going to plead guilty. i thought for sure it wouldn't be accompanied by a cooperation agreement, but it was. and you know, they don't just give out cooperation agreements because they think or they have a hunch that you may have valuable information. he would have had to sat down with robert mueller and his team and his lawyers and previewed, it's a proffered session, previewed the information he has that he feels would be of value to further prosecution. so robert mueller felt like there was something there in order to -- this is really a sweetheart deal.
not only did they drop many counts in that superseding indictment, but they chose to not move forward with those ten counts that hung in the eastern district of virginia trial. so he's getting a pretty good deal out of this. it must be pretty interesting information. >> help me with the surprise that president trump's legal team might have felt as a result of this happening here. there was a short statement, curt statement from rudy giuliani the president's lawyer after all this happened. what does it mean for them going forward? >> you have to remember that rudy giuliani is the president's personal attorney. he's not a government employee. he doesn't represent the white house or the administration or the federal government. so, his interests really i think what he is really concerned about and what the president is really concerned about is this investigation turning towards the trump organization and donald trump's private company. we saw cfo allen weisselberg providing some information on that front and when michael cohen pleaded guilty to a couple campaign finance charges the
president's defense was that he had personally made these payments to stormy daniels and karen mcdougal and that that sort of exonerated him. no, that was actually the root of the crime was a private company paying for a campaign expense. so i'm interested to see what other potential overlap there was between the trump organization and the trump campaign, whether there was any additional criminality there or allegations of criminality and that is what the president should be worried about a what giuliani is worried about as well. >> giuliani was on fox news reacting to all of this. take a listen to what he had to say. >> the plea agreement has -- cooperation agreement has nothing to do with the trump campaign. the reality is no evidence of collusion. all you have to do is look at the plea. the plea is to crimes that have to do with manafort's past. no involvement with president trump, no involvement with the campaign, no involvement with russia. >> lot to deconstruct there, but let's do it.
he's saying this is rather limited if you read the text of this information. it's a different story. >> exactly. so he's wrong on two fronts. first of all, he's wrong on the plea. the information does actually have to do with the trump campaign. again, it's much more close to in temporal terms to his time on the trump campaign and actually goes into tax fraud in that time period. so he's wrong there. he's also wrong on the fact that the cooperation will have nothing to do with trump. look, when you sign up to cooperate with the government, you don't get to pick and choose who you cooperate against. you have to be 100% truthful in all areas. so wrong on both fronts, even in the cooperation agreement itself it says that. it's a contract between the government and the defendant. so, i think he's wrong. >> lachlan, you mentioned michael cohen. he pled a few weeks back. what's your sense of where things stand at this point. vanity fair reporting that he has been talking to, might be
willing to talk more with robert mueller's team. we're looking at many points in the orbit of president trump. >> yeah. there was just a really tremendous breakdown in the relationship and the long-standing trust between the president and michael cohen. and you remember back on the 2016 campaign trail, he was really the go-to fixer and enforcer for the president. and in fact, we had a reporter at the daily beast who was very viciously threatened by michael cohen for writing a story that was unfriendly to his long-time boss and friend. so, you know, it seems like any bit of trust or basically michael cohen knows all -- where all the skeletons are buried and the fact that he's had this tremendous breakdown with the president is -- i mean, it's tremendously risky if you're trump. if you're his lawyers. the information that he has could be damning. >> if there's any skeletons he doesn't know where they are,
allen weisselberg may know where they are. >> we're focussed on paul manafort and that plea yesterday. the numbers are piling up. >> yeah, in terms of people flipping and cooperating. yeah, absolutely. cohen is potentially cooperating. cohen didn't have a cooperation deal in his plea bargain, but he did al cute that the president actually helped him commit these campaign law violations. manafort, this news of the manafort cooperation agreement is likely going to be the one that scares president trump the most. >> thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. >> thank you both. this is dramatic new video i'm going to show you next from jacksonville, north carolina, where roads have turned into rivers. another live report coming up after the break after the drenching rains from tropical storm florence continue to
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waiting for more as it makes its way across those two states. strong wind and rising water remains a concern. few moments ago we talked to you on the beach. again, facing south. you've changed locations. we can see some of that massive fresh water flood. what is the scene like there in oak island? >> streets that look like rivers, david. what you were just describing. the beaches over here to my right. so, you can see that wind is really moving the water inward and flooding a lot of the roads here. making the recovery efforts that much more difficult for the coming hours and days. this beach is particularly vulnerable and is the longest beach in the state of north carolina. but it has the ocean to the south. it has the camp field river to the east and to the north it has the intercoastal waterway. so, we really felt the lashing of the tropical storm throughout the past three days here when i've been reporting on the island, a lot of the folks here, i don't know if all the ocean front properties evacuated
because you can see most of these homes built on wooden stilts. that's what residents are coming back to when they are able to come back to the island because right now both bridges in and out completely closed. the mayor says nobody will be able to get back on the island until sunday. earliest also monday and we spoke before in a previous hour about that effort from fema here on the ground. knocking on all of these doors and checking out of the doors and making sure everyone is accounted for. this is an island of 8,000 people and according to the authorities, at least 500 decided not to evacuate. they tell me that on a regular day they get three to four calls about people needing medical services because this is a retirement community. so, they want to make sure in the coming days as they are picking up the debris, start picking up the trees that also people are getting those emergency medical services that they may need. david? >> you mentioned you have been talking to the mayor of the town
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today being sort of the first day after the storm has passed us. and this is called oak island after all. so, a lot of eke troak trees th swaying and still vulnerable to these wind gusts that we're getting. i can tell you it's very unpredictable. five minutes before our live hit just now we got hit by some of those outer bands. a band that has been sitting sort of on top of us for the past four, five hours. again, it's hit or miss. but we're still feeling the effects of the tropical storm here on the island. david? >> big take away here. this is a slow-moving storm moving in the single digits. oak island, north carolina. while the carolinas are taking a beating from florence, president trump still in denial about the death toll from hurricane maria. and how he is trying to defend his record in puerto rico at the top of the next hour. friends, colleagues,
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that does it for me. i'll be back at 6:00 eastern time. just about two hours from now. the news continues with my friend francis rivera. there thank you so much, david. i'm frances rivera. in new york this afternoon paul manafort strikes a deal with federal officials as giuliani says there is nothing to see here. tropical storm florence weakens but that means the winds strike the carolinas. we're live across the area.
rescues continue across this state. well, this afternoon we start with three major stories. converging all at once. first, there is paul manafort was the chief at the trump campaign and has agreed to cooperate with the special counsel speculation about what he knows and how much he is willing to say. at the same time for hours on end tropical storm florence is dumping rain all over the carolina coast. six people have died. nearly a million people are without electricity and rescues have continued all day as hundreds have been carried to safety. in south carolina alone, there are not enough cops for all the people who have fled rainfall there and in north carolina, the president has declared a natural disaster declaration. as the rain continues to fall, the president set the record straight over the death toll in puerto rico after hurricane maria. calling into question the met d methodolometho methodology how it was reached. 50 times last arim