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thankfully for all of you, that will wrap things up for me this hour. ali velshi is in washington, d.c. and he takes it over. >> just add to the confusion because i've been watching you for the last hour. i thought i would mess you up by being in a completely different city. >> my team has pointed something very significant out to me. i have a thing for j names. it was jake, jonathan, jennifer. i called somebody named lucy juicy once on the air. >> i guess garrett could have been a jarrett. >> i was thinking of jake sherman. >> you have so many strengths katie, if that's the biggest problem you face, we'll take it happily. >> i love you. >> thank you. good afternoon. as you can see i'm ali velshi coming to you from washington this afternoon. the most exciting thing you can talk about that's how president trump described his new trade
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deal with mexico and canada. the markets are pretty exciting. they responded in a positive way all day. right now the dow is up .8%. the trade deal is largely deemed a win for the president, but instead this happened. >> you said that its incorrect to say you're limiting the scope of the fbi investigation -- >> what does that have to do with trade? i don't mind answering the question, but i'd like to do -- >> i do have a second question on the kavanaugh thing when you get back to it -- >> let's go. >> you'll take that now? >> no, no. >> okay. >> thank you, mr. president. now that you've answered several questions on trade -- do you have -- excuse me. do you have a question on trade? we'll do one or two -- don't do that. that's not nice. >> okay. talked about trade for a while but almost an hour into the news conference the president switched gears to address the other major headlines.
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the fbi's investigation into the allegations against supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. >> i think the fbi should do what they have to do to get to the answer. just so you understand, my white house will do whatever the senators want. i'm open to whatever they want. the one thing i want -- >> just to be clear, should the fbi interview all three of brett kavanaugh's accusers? >> it wouldn't bother me at all. now it depends, i don't know all three -- certainly i would imagine they're going to interview two. the third one i don't know much about but it wouldn't bother me at all. i heard that the third one has -- i have no idea if this is true -- has very little credibility. if there is any credibility, interview the third one. >> okay. now a senior u.s. official and a separate source briefed on the matter confirmed to nbc news a "the new york times" report that
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the white house has authorized the fbi to expand its initially limited background investigation by permitting the fbi to interview any one it deems necessary as long as the review is finished by the end of the week and that's the backdrop this hour as the president presents the medal of honor to former staff sergeant ronald surer, a remarkable man, a special forces medic for his heroic actions in afghanistan. we will, as i always do, bring you the medal of honor ceremony because it is so important to remember these heroes. you want to start with the latest in politics from the white house with geoff bennett. when the president held that press conference this morning, there was not clarity about what the fbi is going to be permitted to do. we seem to have more clarity now. >> reporter: you heard him responding to our friend and colleague peter alexander, it wouldn't bother him at all if the fbi interviewed those three accusers. up until now that wasn't the
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case. the way this process works, because this is not an fbi criminal investigation, but instead an fbi background investigation, the white house is in the driver seat here. the fbi really takes its direction and instructions from the white house counsel's office. i can tell you in just the last five minutes or so as i was walking out here to talk to you, my colleague and i confirmed that the white house has expanded the scope of this investigation to allow the fbi the free rein that president trump told me on saturday he wanted the fbi to have as long as it wraps up by the end of the week. susan collins is telling nbc news that she was consulted about the white house authorizing this expanded fbi approach so long as the work will be completed within the original one week time line. i asked susan collins what jeff flake said about all of this and he signaled where he stands. take a look. >> we certainly want the fbi to
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do a real investigation and we are working to make sure that that happens. i've had discussions many yesterday with my colleagues with the white house counsel's office, my staff is following up as well. i had one of those conversations just five minutes ago to make sure that the -- that any current, credible allegation that has been made is fully investigated. >> reporter: so president trump over the weekend suggested that this could all be a blessing in disguise, this one week delay, the short pause in the process as jeff flake put it, alluding to this notion expressed by some republicans that they don't expect this seventh background investigation to turn up anything that the other six didn't turn up and so the thinking was if brett kavanaugh emerges from this process, the process looking fairer then he will benefit from that but what you're hearing from democrats and republicans is that, no, no.
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the process can't just look fairer it actually has to be fair, fair and comprehensive. you could make the argument that president trump did not know exactly how the process worked as he was talking about it over the weekend but i see him set to speak right now in this medal of honor ceremony so i'll send it back to you. >> thanks very much and we are going to listen in to the medal of honor ceremony. i will tell you, it is important. these ceremonies -- this is the fourth one under the president. i know i'm going to get some tweets from some of you who think you don't want to hear it. this isn't about the president of the united states. its about the staff sergeant and an american hero. >> let us pray. god of all mercy, we ask for both your presence and your peace for all those gathered here this day. we give you thanks for this celebration, for this
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redemption, for this day to reflect on what you provide and what we need. for reminding us of the dignity of life, of service, of sacrifice and of true heroism. inspire us, lord, to hold fiercely to your gifts of hope and grace and passion. may the acts, the heroic acts of staff sergeant ronald surer move us all of greater acts of love to serve our families, nation and our world. for it is before you that we humbly ask these things and gratefully say amen. >> thank you very much. please. i thank you chaplain hurley.
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thank you to vice president mike pence for joining us for today's ceremony. today its my privilege to award the congressional medal of honor to an army special forces medic who now serves in the united states secret service. please join me in welcoming staff sergeant ronald surer. thank you. [ applause [ applause ]
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>> thank you. i wish i was that popular. i'll tell you. today is a truly proud and special day for those of us here at the white house because ron works right here alongside of us on the secret service counterassault team. these are incredible people. several weeks ago my staff asked ron and his wife miranda, thank you miranda, to a meeting in the west wing. they didn't know what it was about. they walked into the oval office and i told ron that he was going to receive our nation's highest military honor. it was a moment i will never forget. ron and miranda joined today by their two beautiful sons, cameron who is ten and tyler who is seven. stand up. look at these guys. [ applause ]
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cameron, tyler, we stand in awe of your father's courage. we really do. today he joins the world's most elite gathering of heroes. also with us are his parents ronald senior and his mom fabiola both air force veterans. america is grateful for your service. thank you very much. please stand. thank you. [ applause ] >> i want to thank also secretary nielson for joining us. secretary, thank you very much, alo along with the secretary of the army. vice chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, thank you paul. army chief of staff general mark
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milley. mark, thank you. commander of special operations, command general raymond thomas, thank you, raymond. and sergeant major of the army daniel daily, thank you very much. thank you very much, daniel. i also want to recognize representative gerald connelly and representative dan newhouse. thank you very much for being here. appreciate it. we are privileged to have among us five former recipients of the congressional medal of honor, harvey barnham. florent grobar. thank you all for being here. please stand up. [ applause ]
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thank you very much for being with us. these are very brave, great people. staff sergeant ron shurer was born in alaska. he grew up in a military family moving to four states before middle school. he graduated from washington state university and applied to join the military, but was rejected due to a medical condition. i can't believe they rejected you. that was a bad mistake, but they made up for it, right? they made up for it. soon after america was attacked on september 11th, 2001, determined to serve, ron reapplied to the military and was accepted into the united states army. he became a medic and then he completed the grueling training to join the legendary ranks of the green berets. that's a long way from not
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getting accepted the first time, right? that's fantastic. that's a great story. it was during his special forces training that ron met miranda. just before ron's first deployment they were married. miranda was six months pregnant with their first son cameron when ron deployed to afghanistan for the second time. just a month before he returned home, ron was called on a special operations mission. the aim was to hunt down a deadly terrorist, a leader in that world, he was in a remote mountain village, very dangerous territory. on april 6th, 2008, ron was among the few dozen special forces soldiers and 100 afghan commandos who dropped off by helicopter into shock valley a rocky barron valley far away
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from reinforcements. there's nobody close. ron was the only medic for the team. while he was still near the base of the mountain, the first team began to scale the cliff toward the village. as they approached the top, roughly 200 well trained and well armed terrorists ambushed the american and afghan forces. soon ron heard his comrade call his name, ryan welling had been struck by shrapnel at the base of the mountain. he was very, very seriously hurt, but ron braved enemy fire to rush to his friend and to treat his wounds. then he heard over the radio that american fighters near the top of the cliff were pinned down and some were critically injured. it was blood all over the place.
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it was a tough, tough situation to be in. immediately ron climbed the rocky mountain all the while fighting back against the enemy and dodging gunfire left and right. rockets were shot at him. everything was shot at him. when he reached the top, one of his close friends and afghan interpreter was already dead. two americans had been shot, dillon bear and lewis moraless. he treated them both to stabilize their condition. ron threw his body on top of dillon to protect him from shrapnel. it was there on that cliff that ron realized and i guess he felt pretty much like that was it, right, ron? but ron realized that this was probably the end. might be all over and as he
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recounts, i just said a prayer and ask that my wife and son would be okay with what was going to happen. then i just went back to work. one of his teammates john walden was trying to protect the injured when he was shot almost severing his leg entirely. as ron was still rendering life-saving aid to dillon he directed another soldier to help stem the bleeding. then a bullet cut through master sergeant scott ford's arm and struck ron's helmet. ron said it felt like he had been hit on the head with a baseball bat, but he got up and in pretty bad shape, bandaged scott's arm. they used nylon webbing to lower the most critically injured down the sides of this really
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dangerous and very steep cliff. when he reached the base of the mountain, ron raced to each patient giving them life saving care. they were bleeding profusely and preparing them to be evacuated by helicopter, but ron was not done yet. he charged back to the mountain all the way up and then rejoined the fight. for more than six hours, ron bravely faced down the enemy. not a single american died in that brutal battle thanks in great measure to ron's heroic actions. many of the warriors who fought in shock valley are here today. when i read your name, will you please stand. staff sergeant dillon bear. [ applause ]
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>> stand up. stay up, please. specialist mike carter. [ applause ] >> thank you. master sergeant scott ford. [ applause ] >> sergeant first class seth howard. [ applause ] >> staff sergeant lewis morales. [ applause ] >> sergeant major dan plantz. [ applause ] >> lieutenant colonel kyle walton. [ applause ] >> sergeant first class matt
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williams. [ applause ] >> sergeant first class carl worsbach. [ applause ] >> and two wonderful afghan translators, baruz mahomed and gariv basaman. [ applause ] >> thank you very much. we really appreciate it. he did a good job. did he do a good job? better say yes now or its too late. he did a good job. thank you all for your noble service and for being here to
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celebrate ron's historic achievement. it truly is that. as many of you know, the year and a half ago ron was diagnosed with cancer. tough cancer. rough cancer. but he's braved, battled, worked. he's done everything he can. he's been fighting it every single day with courage and strength and he's a warrior of the he's a warrior. and just like he faced every single battle of his entire life, he's facing a very tough battle right now with cancer, but i will tell you he's the best dad and role model two boys could ever ask for, right? do you agree with that? >> yeah. >> you better say yes. i already asked them that question. they needed no prodding. i said, is he a good father or great father? they said great father. >> the best father ever. >> the best father ever, wow.
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that's great. beautiful boys. and ron, i just want to say as an inspiration to every one in this room and to every citizen all across our great land, ron our hearts are filled with gratitude and joy as we prepare to engrave your name alongside of america's greatest heroes. it is my honor and privilege, along with mike and all of these incredible warriors in front of me, to present you with the congressional medal of honor. i would like to ask the military aide to come forward and read the citation. thank you. >> the president of the united states of america authorized by act of congress you march 3rd, 1863, has awarded in the name of
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congress the medal of honor to staff sergeant ronald j.shurer. above and beyond the call of duty. staff sergeant ronald j.shurer exdistinguished himself above and beyond the call of duty on april 6th, 2008, while serving as a senior medical sergeant special forces operational detachment alpha 3336, special operations task force, 33 in support of operation enduring freedom. staff sergeant shurer was part of an assault element in afghanistan. as he moved up a near vertical mountain towards its objective it was engaged by fierce enemy machine gun, sniper and rocket propelled grenade fire. the lead portion of the assault element which include the ground commander sustained several
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casualties and became pinned down on the mountainside. they were like-wise engaged by enemy machine gun, sniper and rocket fire as the attack intensified he braved enemy fire to move to an injured soldier and stabilize his wounds. he then learned the casualty of the lead element. he fought his way up the mountain side under intense enemy fire to the lead element's location. upon reaching the lead element he treated and stabilized two more soldiers. he noticed two additional severely wounded soldiers. the bullet that had wounded one of his soldiers impacted his helmet. with complete disregard for his own life, he moved through enemy fire to treat and stabilize one soldier's severely wounded arm. shortly thereafter, he continued to brave enemy fire to get to
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the other soldier's location in order to treat his lower leg which had been almost completely receiver by a high caliber sniper round. he began to evacuate the wounded, carrying and lowering them down the mountainside. while moving down the mountain, he used his own body to shield the wounded from enemy fire and debris caused by air strikes. reaching the base of the mountain, he set up a casualty collection point and continued to treat the wounded. with the arrival the evacuation helicopter, he again under enemy fire helped load the wounded into the helicopter. having ensured the safety of the wounded, he then regained control of his commando squad and rejoined the fight. he continued to lead his troops and moved the evacuation landing zone for the helicopter. staff sergeant shurer's actions are in keeping with the finest traditions of military
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standards. special operations command central and the united states army. [ applause ] [ applause ]
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[ applause ] ladies and gentlemen, please remain in your seats until the president has departed the east room. >> lord god, we're encouraged by this -- by these selfless acts of staff sergeant ronald shurer. send us out to work -- to the work at hand for each of us with your grace for the leadership, character and sacrifice that will honor you and honor the needs of all those before us. bless us, keep us, make your
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face shine on us and be gracious to us. may we all find both peace and contentment in the knowledge of your love and in the promise of your presence. in your most holy name we pray a men. ♪ that was ronald shurer receiving the medal of honor who served as a medic in afghanistan. he's just the 11th living army soldier to receive the congressional medal of honor for his actions in afghanistan. in 2008, shurer's team was attacked by more than 200 fighters with snipers, machine guns and rocket propelled grenades. he had to help them down a nearly vertical 60 foot cliff
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facing gunfire and falling debris. he now works with the u.s. secret service. turning back to our main story. let's take a look at what's happening with the kavanaugh investigation. this is a renewed background investigation, not a criminal investigation. its an important difference to note. in a criminal investigation, the fbi has the ability to follow whatever leads agents find promising. in a background investigation the fbi can only look into specific areas that the client authorizes, in this case, the client is the white house, which means the fbi can pursue new leads only with the white house's permission. now in this case senate judiciary kmarm chuck grassley says the investigation is being limited to, quote, current credible allegations. now typically in a criminal investigation, the fbi can interview any one they want. in a background check, the client can limit the fbi to a specific witness list which the administration after serious pressure has now extended from the initial four witnesses to
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any one the fbi now deems necessary. nbc news has learned that deborah ramirez spoke with the fbi on sunday. we also know one of kavanaugh's former yale classmates says he plans to give the fbi information about what he calls, quote, violent drunken behavior by kavanaugh. the depth of the investigation depends largely on whether these witnesses cooperate. in a criminal investigation, the fbi can use subpoenas and warrants to obtain every piece of relevant testimony in evidence including emails, texts and phone records. agents can't do that in a background check. witness participation is purely voluntary. with me now to discuss this more ken delaney and joyce vance and brett howard at the fbi. ken, let's start with you. the president disclaimed any understanding of limitations on
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this investigation, but now we have confirmed that the president or the white house has instructed the fbi to interview anyone necessary as long as its done within the week. >> that's right. that was a significant change and it came after some of the key senators including jeff flake and susan collins began to raise questions about what they were hearing about the limitations that had been place on this fbi investigation. nbc news was the first to report saying there were serious constraints placed on the fbi by the white house. dr. bralasey ford was not on th list neither was judge kavanaugh. the president seemed to be on an entirely different page and tweet that had, in fact, there were no restrictions but senior officials assured us that yes, there were, the fbi can only do what the white house authorizes and we were told today that this witness list had been approvedpy senate republicans. as it turns out, one of those
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senate republicans, jeff flake, was at a public event in boston and saying he was in discussion with the white house counsel about making sure this was a credible investigation. we just don't want an investigation to give us cover to vote to confirm this guy. and after our colleagues confirmed this news that the white house has authorized the fbi to expand the scope of this investigation, senator susan collins, another key senate vote, told our own kelly o'donnell that she had been briefed on this and been involved in discussions about expanding the scope of this investigation. a significant move by the white house that essentially has the effect of making what the president said during his news conference true even though it wasn't true at the time. >> let me bring greg into this. you and i were talking before the show about what significance is of the restrictions that were initially have been placed on, a limitation on witnesses and time. if you're going to let one of them go, the limitation on
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witnesses is the better one. >> i think that's right. even if the limitation on witnesses is let go if there's only a week to interview all of the relevant witnesses, can the bureau really do that. that remains to be seen. i suspect that what we'll see at the end of that week if the fbi has not tracked down every lead, interviewed every witness it thinks necessary it will go back to the white house and say we need more time. >> joyce, in the moment that the country first learned that jeff flake and chris coons had talked about investigation, people breathed a sigh of relief, even to historians to whom we spoke, something that could have had a cloud over it, this appointment of brett kavanaugh, this was a good move and then we quickly learned about limitations. do you think this fbi investigation is going to be worth something given the fact that some certainly want it limited? >> i think that's exactly the right question to ask right now
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and its important that the investigation be as thorough as possible in the time constraints the fbi has been given. one important measure they can take to give people more transparency on this process would be to release the written directions that they've given to the fbi because even with this new news that there are a number of witnesses who have been okayed for interviews, it'll be important to know the full scope of the fbi's authority. do they have, for instance, the ability to take dr. ford and walk her through a location? should they identify one? how deeply are they supposed to dig into judge kavanaugh's college and high school records? this interest of the country in believing that the investigation process has integrity is so important for it to continue without the white house releasing that document i think will cast further doubt on it. >> greg, you were saying that one of the things that may influence this, jeff flake and
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susan collins and maybe others whom we don't know about sort of putting pressure on to say, let's do this in a way that allows us to be able to say at the end of the week or however long it takes that it was legitimate? >> that's right. if this is all about count to go 50, if senator mcconnell can count to 50, this will get done. if he can't, then it won't. they do not have confidence in the fairness, the fullness of this investigation, they may not be comfortable enough to vote yes and we're right back to where we are right now. >> joyce, what do you think can happen here? what in your opinion -- this is one of those investigations that i don't know what the outcome is, but you can imagine that have the senate is not going to be happy with? >> yeah. the best thing to do here is to let the professionals at the fbi do their job. if judge kavanaugh should be exonerated, then let that happen. if there are concerns that the
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white house and the senators need to consider, then let's get them that information but this morning the president tweeted that the democrats would never be happy, that there would never be enough information and that tweet really confirms the need to let the fbi do its job unfettered. we need to let the professionals decide when they have enough information to make the calls they want to make and leave it at that. >> ken, do we know how the fbi feels about this right now because it puts them in a tough situation where they know some people are going to politicize this? do they have the resources? can they -- given they've been told they can interview anyone they want before the end of the week, do they throw more resources at it? >> they have the capacity to do that. they do counterterrorism investigations in a week where they throw hundreds of agents across the country. we don't know whether that's intention here. i do know this, previously under the restrictions fbi officials were very concerned that they were going to be the fall guy in this process, that they would
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conduct a cursory investigation and judge kavanaugh would be confirmed and something would come out later and they would be accused of conducting a slip shod process and that's the last thing they want to have happen. >> thank you for your reporting on this. thanks to all of you. republican senator jeff flake on the road after his big moment on the hill called for an extended fbi investigation of brett kavanaugh. plus why he says his relationship with the president at this point is anything but warm? i was getting all these leaves and i was going back generation after generation. you start to see documents and you see signatures of people that you've never met. i mean, you don't know these people, but you feel like you do. you get connected to them. i wish that i could get into a time machine and go back 100 years, 200 years and just meet these people. being on ancestry just made me feel like i belonged somewhere. discover your story.
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rehearsing that. no annual fee on any card. only from discover. senator from california wound up in the hands of the press. the same letter in which she breaking news senator he majority leader has been speaking on the floor of the u.s. senate. >> was leaked. by whom? as best i can tell, nobody had possession of this letter except for dr. ford's democratic congresswoman, the democratic side of the judiciary committee and presumably the politically connected lawyers they recommended to dr. ford.
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and somehow -- somehow it ended up in the press. dr. ford's plea for privacy was brushed aside, a predictable media circus was launched. of course, the questionable and concerning handling of this matter didn't stop there. in her testimony dr. ford seemed surprised that chairman grassley had offered her legal team a number of more discrete and less burdensome ways to share her story if she preferred. the chairman had offered to fly investigators out to florida -- to california or anywhere else for a private interview at a time and place of dr. ford's choosing. apparently, mr. president,
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neither of them felt it was necessary to make these options clear to dr. ford. she told the committee, quote, i wasn't clear on what the offer was. i would have been happy to speak with you out there, referring to california. it wasn't clear to me that was the case. so let's take stock of all of this, the ranking member withheld serious allegations from committee colleagues precluding any chance that they would be handled with sensitivity and discretion. meanwhile her staff made recommendations that the accuser retained specifically politically connected counsel. then her confidential account reached the media faster than it reached either the chairman of
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the committee or the fbi, which our colleagues have been insisting must now look in to. and finally we have reason to believe that dr. ford was not even apprised of the chairman's offers to collect her testimony in ways that might have been less likely to create a media circus and less burdensome on her. its almost as if dr. ford didn't want a washington, d.c. based media circus, but others with whom she was in contact and whom she was relying wanted exactly that. so we've learned that if you confide in senate democrats on
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highly sensitive personal matters, no request for confidentiality will keep you from becoming a household name. and a nominee who democrats deemed to be objectionable knows century's old standard of presumed innocence will protect your name, your family or your reputation from irreparable damage. now fortunately chairman grassley has taken action to clean up this mess. last thursday he supervised a professional and respectful hearing. he retained an experience sex crimes prosecutor to methodically collect the details of dr. ford's recollections. this is a professional who was
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recognized as outstanding arizona sexual prosecutor of the year by the former governor, a former cabinet secretary of president obama and herself a member of the anita hill legal team back in 1991. here's what she wrote in her memo to members following the hearing. a he said/she said case is incredibly difficult to prove, but this case is even weaker than that. dr. ford identified other witnesses to the event and those witnesses either refuted her allegation or failed to corroborate them. i do not think that a reasonable prosecutor would bring this case based upon the evidence before the committee nor do i think this evidence is sufficient to
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satisfy the preponderance of evidence standard that is a lawyer standard. so will our democratic colleagues listen to this expert opinion although it conflicts with their political mission, don't hold your breath. nor am i optimistic they will stay consistent and accept the conclusions of the background fbi investigation on top of its six prior investigations of judge kavanaugh. democrats demanded a supplemental investigation. they preclaimed it would be a game changer. the democratic leader and the ranking democrat on the committee both said recently that an fbi investigation can be completed in less than a week, but i bet almost anything that after it runs its course in the
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next few days, we will then be treated to a lecture, a lecture that anything short of a totally unbounded fishing expedition of indefinite duration is too limited or too arbitrary or somehow insufficient. we all know that's coming. if you listen carefully, mr. president, you can practically hear the sounds of the democrats moving the goalpost. remember back in the summer, democrats said there weren't enough documents to get a good sense of judge kavanaugh's career. then we heard there were too many documents. then once dr. ford's private allegation was mysteriously made public, we couldn't possibly
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move forward until we heard from them both. then after neither the hearing nor the statements of supposed witnesses yielded any corroborating evidence, and, in fact, produced evidence that supported judge kavanaugh, we were told only an fbi investigation would resolve this and that it could be done promptly. let me go out on a limb, mr. president. let me make a small prediction, soon enough the goalpost will be on the move once again and i would respectfully say to my colleagues, do these actions suggest this is ever been about finding the truth? anybody believe that? these actions suggest that this is ever been about giving judge kavanaugh a fair hearing?
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this institution has seen before episodes somewhat like what we're now seeing from some of our colleagues across the aisle. back during the mccarthy era, in fact, in 1950, character assassination and uncorroborated allegations were being utilized in a very different debate in that era. that's when a distinguished senator from maine named margaret chay smith, an icon from the great state of our colleagues senator collins, went to the senate floor to say enough was enough. she gave a speech that guaranteed she'd be in the
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history of the senate. she titled it declaration of conscience. here's what she said. i do not like the way in which the senate been made a rendezvous for vilification, for selfish political gain at the sacrifice of individual reputations. and national unity. margaret shay smith went on, whether it be a criminal prosecution in court or a character prosecution in the senate, there is little practical distinction when the life of a person has been rui d ruined. we should listen to these words. they speak as loudly today as they did 68 years ago. >> okay. we've been listening to senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. he is quite critical of the democrats on the senate judiciary committee to called for the fbi investigation. he has continued to be critical of it.
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we'll keep an eye on it or an ear on it to let you know if anything more develops of his criticism. president trump is, meanwhile, hailing what he calls an historic trade agreement between the united states, canada and mexico. >> this new deal will be the most modern, up-to-date and balanced trade agreement in the history of our country with the most advanced protections for workers ever developed. it's turned out to be a very, very good deal for both, and a very, very good deal for all three. it puts us in a position that we've never been in before. >> well, the deal which the president calls -- doesn't want to call it nafta. the u.s./mexico/canada agreement, usmc. it remains parted of nafta while setting new rules for several areas including automotive and agricultural industries. starting in 2020, 75% of the components of a car or truck must be manufactured within the three countries to be considered a north american-made car and
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avoid tariffs. that's an increase from the current 62.5%. in addition right now, at least 30% of the labor on a car or truck must be done by workers earning at least $16 an hour. that share rises to 40% by $202$2022023. $16 an hour is three times what they make in mexico. general motors issued a statement saying in part this agreement is vital to the success of the north american auto industry. we have long supported efforts to modernize it in a way that strengthens the industry and positions it for long-term success. canada made some concessions when it came to agricult purp on its dairy market, the deal allows american dairy producers to export to canada the equivalent of 3.6%. it also agreed to give more access to chicken, turkey and
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egg markets. in exchange, the united states agreed to something canada wanted. kept in place a nafta provision that allows an international panel to settle trade disputes between the three countries as opposed to u.s. courts. however, the u.s. and canada didn't come to an agreement on an exemption from president trump's steel and aluminum tariffs which he's imposed on the basis of national security considerations. u.s. officials want to keep those discussions separate. canada exported about $24 billion in steel and aluminum to the united states last year. president trump, canadian prime minister trudeau and enrique penieto are expected to sign it. but they have to approve the agreement before it takes effect and congress isn't expected to vote on the deal until early next year. a short time ago, senate democratic leader chuck schumer who voted against nafta issued this statement. it reads in part, the president deserves praise for taking large steps to improve it. however, any final agreement must be judged on how it benefits and protects middle
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class families and the working people in our country. joining us to take a closer look at this is ian bremer, the fleft eurasia group. ian is one of the preeminent foreign policy analysts and the host of a brand-new show called "g zero world" which airs starting this friday and features puppets. this is not to be missed thing. ian, this is not a terrible deal. this is -- >> no. >> in many cases an improvement over nafta and in some cases an improvement in places nafta needed to be improved upon. >> in almost every case where this deal has moved and it's not just a matter of dairy or auto motive, it is an upgrade, a modernization and it's improvement for the united states vis-a-vis mexico and canada. i think across the poord, if you are looking at this subjectively, not only have we avoided a trade war and the markets and the currencies in mexico and canada rallying as a
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consequence, but also this means better growth, more efficiency, easier for goods to move across the borders between three countries whose economies are already very tightly integrated. and it allows trump to focus on other things that are more legitimate problems like, for example, trade with china. >> it's -- it is more trade, which is something president trump has not really been all that much in favor of. which still doesn't deal with the steel and aluminum. in the end, does the success of this new deal prove donald trump's point that maybe i should go in and break all the china and get everybody to the table to move faster than they were otherwise moving because nafta was up for renegotiation and renegotiations were under way before donald trump pulled the carpet out from under everybody. >> obviously, it wasn't the worst ever deal that the united states had signed in trade, which trump had said our economy is vastly bigger. we have a lot more influence. if we tell them we want to get
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something done and actually put the u.s. trade representative, lighthizer, and others in place to make that happen, ultimately we'll probably get what we want. and that's kind of what happened here. we did compromise. all sides compromised, but this is not just an improvement of the deal. it is on balance, a slight improvement in the benefit of the united states. >> ian, short answer, what does it do for anybody else who is trying to renegotiate something with the united states? do they realize the united states gets what it wants in the end? >> first, they do know that the united states is interested, not just in breaking china but in coming to deals and it's not going to be immensely painful. if you're japan, europe, you look at this and say, trump ultimately does want to have deals. he doesn't want to have market damage, economic damage in the united states. but if you're china, you are more worried today that the allies now aren't all facing off against the united states. makes it easier for the united states with allies to be concerned about beijing. >> all right. any -- look, you know, i'm a
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canadian. it's hard to insult a canadian. even if you, do they'll probably forgive you. any long-term damage to that relationship because it's important in terms of electricity, water, oil and mutual defense. >> the answer is not really. the canadians are very offended about this 25% tariff that's staying on with steel. i've spoken with some canadian ceos just this morning about this issue. and they said that they believe that there wasn't time to actually get that resolved by the end of the weekend but that there is not a further give that's required, a further concession by the canadians to get that done. what we heard from trump today was actually those steel tariffs which were justified for national security purposes, which is a little weird. he has no intention of taking them off. if that's still the case, u.s./canada relations are going to be much more problematic. and i think that that's going to hurt trudeau in his general election coming up in 2019. there were those advisers to trudeau that were telling him, you don't want to look weak against trump. even if you take an economic hit. be the guy that beats him up. trudeau, i think, listened to
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practicality and decided he doesn't want to fight the american. >> that's easy to say until your unemployment rate starts going up and things start going bad with your economy. we've got brand-new information coming in about the fbi investigations into the allegations made against brett kavanaugh. moments ago, lawyers for a high school friend of kavanaugh's released a statement saying patrick j. smyth, that's p.j., has answered questions from the fbi. this is the guy who was p.j. in the yearbook and in his questioning. patrick j. smyth has fully cooperated with the fbi investigation in this matter. he truthfully answered every question the fbi asked and consistent with the information he previously provided to the senate judiciary committee. he's indicated he has no knowledge of the small party or gathering described by dr. christine blasey ford, nor does he have any knowledge of the allegations of improper conduct she has leveled against brett kavanaugh. obviously, ian, part of the issue here is this is a story that's dominated over all other stories. do you have some sense of this
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fbi investigation that's going to help us to get to some conclusion on this so that we can move on? >> i think that senator jeff flake did the republicans a service by pushing for the fbi investigation. irrespective of whether it is seen as complete or not by the democrats. there's at least a semblance of process and investigation that dr. ford's allegations, which many seemed to feel were quite credible, are taken more seriously. so whether kavanaugh is ultimately not confirmed and they have to move to another candidate that they prefer or whether he is, i think that the level of outrage that the republicans were going to face in upcoming midterm elections should be somewhat reduced now. that's important for them. >> ian, good to see you as always. good luck on the new show. we're looking forward to watching. ian bremer, president of the eurasia group. "deadline white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. >> hi, everyone.
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it's 4:00 in new york with republican senator jeff flake saying that lying to congress would be reason to dump the kavanaugh nomination and a new witness to judge kavanaugh's drinking habits in college emerging to tell a different story to the fbi than what kavanaugh described in his congressional testimony. the stakes could not be any higher for the fbi background investigation called for by flake on friday and reluctantly greenlit by the president. new this afternoon, we learn the white house has widened the probe into judge kavanaugh's background and authorized the fbi to interview anyone it wants as long as


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